Hi
I know it is 4900Euros
Here you have a friend comment from my country.
<<<At this price, the keyboard is a joke.
1GB for samplers?
As 1.5 are for extorting money from users, probably through the sound banks sold by them..
Then, in the digital age, is there no digital audio output?
not even at Output Analog, it doesn't say that they are balanced...
... not even at the entrances.
Even the Medeli AKX10, a Chinese product, has 256 polyphony.
1280 user sounds, means about 10 banks of 128, but with 1 GB of sample memory... if you can't combine the internal oscillators with the sampler ones, in 2 banks you've finished the sampler memory.
Ah, I was forgetting...
Now, in Genos, I have 38 packages of 128 users..
And I still have about 700-800mb free...
And 4 layers per user sound, again, it's a bad, amateurish joke.
On the Yamaha you have 32 stereo layers.
The sounds he boasts about are actually a kind of S.Articulation from Yamaha. Anyone who knows how the Saxophone sounds on the Genos, or other instruments with Articulation, what glissando, or other effects it has, understands what I'm saying.
2 simultaneous effects can be inserted as an insert on a style?
"1 Insert to Arranger chords, 1 Insert to Real Chord."
On Genos, I play all 8 tracks, you can even combine them.
Genos has 27 inset fx simultaneously. 27!!!
Genos is right, only Audio Style as drums, Ketron would also be bass.
They say it goes directly from the ssd (direct streaming), which would not load the sampler memory.
But also with Genos, Audio Style goes directly from usb or ssd.
I don't see anything written about sampler compatibility, not even with the old Ketron series.
What am I kidding?
On 2 Main out and 2 auxiliary (which from the description are actually 1 stereo)? But maybe I'm wrong and Aux 1 is a separate stereo output from Aux2.
Then we have L-R (Main), Ls-Rs (Aux1) and C-Sub (Aux2).
But if they are not balanced outputs, it's a shame of the sound, goodbye fidelity.
But what are the specifications, I would only understand a Ketron fan buying something like this, instead of a Genos.>>>
Regards
Hello.Looking a bit through the previous comments I found yours as well.
I believe that there should always be an answer in a friendly atmosphere and respecting every point of view.
Βut because your friend wrote things that are not true, I would like to make some clarifications.
I think that when we want to say something we should know very well the truth about what is happening in whatever we are commenting on and not say things that are not true.
First, let me say that I have no intention (and I never did) to blame Genos because even today I still work with it since my main work from which I live is music in live performances (apart from development).
But since you contrasted the features of Genos, I feel I should say a few things.
So, let's take them in order and let me answer what your friend raised.
1) "At this price, the keyboard is a joke.
1GB for samplers?”I think you might remember how much total Ram Genos started with.
Since I happen to have the Genos since the beginning of 2018, I would like to remind you that initially the Genos had 1.7 giga Ram and the price I bought it (in Greece) was around €4200.
Of course, you will tell me that Genos was released in 2017 (5 years ago) but it still had more Ram as well as being cheaper than Event. Yes.
And you'd be right. However, for better or for worse, the company has decided this thing for now, but I have to say that the Event has a total of 2.5 giga Ram.
So, just as Yamaha was able to essentially change the specifications and give 3 giga Ram with OS Version 2.0, just like Korg in the Pa4x with 3.0 Next, Ketron can do the same in the future since everyone now they work on a Linux platform which now gives the company's developers a lot of development possibilities that didn't exist before.
But here and after your friend talked about a funny keyboard at this price it forces me to say some things and honestly don't take it as me doing some kind of defamation, (on Genos) because I never did, and I never will.
Also as I said before I still work with Genos.
Of course, when I finish creating my own (personal) Pack for the Event, the Genos will be replaced by the Event.
But I will tell the truth and only the truth which is based in real facts.
Have you or your friend ever tried to create a custom multisample in Genos or any Yamaha Arranger?
You have no choice but to try because there is simply no other option than through the very tedious YEM which lacks too many critical features to be called (professional).
What I mean? That since Genos doesn't have the slightest onboard Sample edit feature, we are forced to work exclusively through YEM.
But, just a minute... Do we not have this feature (audio editing) in YEM either?
Unfortunately, no.
There is no possibility to edit or correct the samples either in YEM and so when there is even a sample error (I have had it) we should use a software editor as it is (Wavelab, SOUND FORGE etc.) as well as we also need a Sound Converter (personally I use SampleRobot6 and Awave Studio) and after making all the corrections we will have to re-export our sound (personally I create my sounds in Soundfont2 "SF2") and re-import to YEM.
And since there is no possibility to replace a multisample (SF2 in this case) in a Sound, I am forced to completely delete our old sound and make the sound from scratch, but all the settings of the sound (Envelope, Volume, LFO, Filter, etc.).
Then we should export (Full Pack or Quickly Pack and then import to Genos as Expansion Pack.
And all this for just a single sample that was wrong and keep in mind that there is much more than I did not tell you about this process.
How do you now fix the same problem in Event?
We simply open the onboard sampler, load the sound with the sample that was wrong and if it can be corrected onboard, for example if it wanted to normalize, correct looping, or even delete the specific sample, we do it directly (since there is an onboard full sample editor) and after correcting it press save.
If it is cannot corrected, and the specific sample must be replaced, then simply delete the specific sample, load the new one (corrected sample) and press Save. That’s all.
Now compare which of the two cases is considered more professional and correct.
2) "If you can't combine the internal oscillators with the sampler ones, in 2 banks you've finished the sampler memory".Your friend probably has the wrong information. Of course, it is possible, and anyone can have any combinations they want.
3)"And 4 layers p er user sound, again, it's a bad, amateurish joke.
On the Yamaha you have 32 stereo layers."Here first a clarification about Genos because your friend is probably saying it wrong again.
Genos has 8 Elements where in each separate Element we can have (theoretically) unlimited velocity layers.
I haven't had to take it to extremes, but I've tested through SF2 multisample which contained over 30 layers in one Element, and it worked without a problem.
Of course, we said that all this is theoretical because in practice it is almost impossible because there is also the limit of polyphony.
And we are only talking about one Element out of eight.
But things start to get (horribly difficult) when one tries to make a sound that will have multiple Elements.
So here again YEM lacks many useful functions to do the work easily and comfortably.
The main thing is that there are not even clear instructions in the YEM manual on how to carry out a (deeper) processing.
So, we must (guess).
As for "4 layers per user sound" here again your friend makes a mistake.
Because in the case of the Event it is mentioned individually for the multisample and not for the final Sound.
That is, we can create a multisample (onboard of course or if we want via import SF2) which will contain up to 4 Stereo Layers.
Therefore, in the Event's onboard VOICE EDIT, we have the possibility to have up to three stereo multisamples where we will finally get to have 12 Stereo Layers per sound.
Add also that the Event has on your right hand in each style a sound combination section like Genos's 4 OTS (ONE TOUCH SETTING), just as it is in all the other arrangers of all companies, but here the big difference is that it has two and not one (like all arrangers) separate independent Sounds sections.
That is, as in Genos where regardless of the four OTS of the style we can at any time choose a Preset or Custom Sound, here we have two independent sounds through which we can either have two separate combinations of sounds which also have a separate potentiometer or by simply choosing one sound to have linked (internally) another sound and to have two default combinations of sounds in parallel.
So, with this method we have reached 24 stereo layers per Sound.
Doesn't sound bad, does it?
And let's not forget that in Genos we don't have any onboard management of Layers (Elements) in contrast to Event where everything is done onboard giving us absolute control with great ease and above all without the need of any third-party program (YEM etc.) which of course some programs are not free, and we will have to pay for them.
4) "Genos has 27 insert fx simultaneously. 27!!!"Indeed, Genos has 27 insert FX in total, but not all of them are available in one domain.
Eg Styles have 8 Insert FX: Insertion Effect 21–28: Style Parts (except the Audio Part of the Audio Style)
But ok. But tell me this:
Have you ever tried to open more than one insert fx in a Chanel of a Style?
If you haven't tried it, I'll tell you what happens.
If you want to open a second Insert (on the same channel) you simply open it without any Edit options beyond the first insert fx in the chain. And here, be careful.
I'm talking about the case where we want to open a second insert fx on the same channel.
This is a problem that existed from the very beginning in Genos and even though I and many other users have pointed it out to the company since 2018, nothing has been done to fix it.
On the other hand, the Event does have a limitation in this area. But. This Insert is essentially a Multi Effect which has in a single Effect an Fx chain which contains Overdrive, Compressor,
Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Delay (stereo, or mono & Tap) and four parametric areas EQ.
Also, the difference here is that the same insert can be used in any other midi or audio channel of the style we want, unlike all other arrangers where the insert only opens in one channel.
Also, here we should say that there is the possibility to have a completely different setting of the Insert FX in each variation as also here (in the Event) everything is done directly from the mixer without having to be done necessarily through the Style Creator like Genos to have different settings (volume, send fx, drum kit mix) in each variation.
Also, in Genos there is another very bad feature: If for any reason the moment we play we make a change in the mix of the style then all the individual settings that have been made in the next variations (on the specific channel) cease to apply.
5) "The sounds he boasts about are actually a kind of S.Articulation from Yamaha. Anyone who knows h ow the Saxophone sounds on the Genos, or other instruments with Articulation, what glissando, or other effects it has, understand what I'm saying".I don't think anyone at Ketron bragged about it. If you saw it somewhere you should point it out to me.
The truth here is one:
Yamaha should be proud because for the first time in the history of arrangers they introduced S.Articulation in the Tyros series and then Korg followed.
But Yamaha (and only Yamaha) still ignores the users, and despite the pleas never gave the possibility to the user to have their own custom S.Articulation unlike Korg which from day one on the Pa2xPro & Pa800 models and then on all the other models, as well as the Ketron from Audya, although it did not have special Articulation switches, however, there was the possibility via velocity, aftertouch, Pitch Bend, etc.
So here too Ketron has for the first time an Articulation Button which is also available to the user from day one in order to create and use their own S.Articulations.
6) "Genos is right, only Audio Style as drums, Ketron would also be bass".And this is where your friend is wrong.
There is not only
Audio Drums and Audio Bass but also Audio Chord, Live Audio Gtr, Long Audio Gtr (separate strum stereo guitar loops) and they are all audio combined naturally and with perfect synchronization with the additional Classic midi channels (1 midi Bass, 5 Midi Chords.
And to directly answer the next point you raised yes!!
They all play Real Time SSD Streaming without any problems neither when playing nor when changing styles even when playing non-stop.
Yamaha on the other hand has never fixed until today (despite emails we sent) the Audio Phraser through which the user can make their own Audio Styles which are basically just Audio Drums.
A small correction was made at some point, but again it was not corrected properly, with the result that to this day the Fills/Breaks still do not enter on time, so they are essentially useless.
All this in Event is possible for the user from the first day and does not need any additional program or complicated processing.
Just a copy/paste to a specific folder on the SSD of the Event with a specific name and they are ready to use. Everything!!
7)"I don't see anything written about sampler compatibility, not even with the old Ketron series".Yes, you are right. This may have been an oversight and I have personally pointed this out to the company. But yes. There is compatibility
(only in the styles) from all older Ketron models to date.
In essence, the Event (onboard again) when we load an older Ketron style, automatically converts to the new. KST style.
8 "On 2 Main out and 2 auxiliaries (which from the description are actually 1 stereo)? But maybe I'm wrong and Aux 1 is a separate stereo output from Aux2.
Then we have L-R (Main), Ls-Rs (Aux1) and C-Sub (Aux2)".
But if they are not balanced outputs, it's a shame of the sound, goodbye fidelity."Yes, Aux1 and Aux2 are two more stereo pairs.
But now here we should know what we are talking about.
What does Balance Out have to do with fidelity?
Not to elaborate on what Balance means it would be good for your friend to look here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_audioAlso. Who told you Genos has Balance Out?In the Specs nothing like this is mentioned and the picture of the wiring in the manual shows a TS Jack and not a TRS.
For the sake of truth, look at a related question that was asked here in the Forum.
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php?topic=47412.0So, Genos (just like Event) has UNBALANCED Out whenever and here we will use simple TS Jack and not TRS.
But I still don't understand where the problem is.
Personally, and knowing that Genos has UNBALANCED Out I bought the excellent D.I Box Radial JDI Stereo with which I am completely satisfied, and it is an extremely high-quality tool that uses the famous Jensen transformers where in combination with the excellent quality Mogami cables that I have, I have converted my badge to BALANCE and I am completely satisfied.
Trust me though. It didn't get better (fidelity).
But the quality of the audio signal got much better where there is no external ground interference or anything else that can be caused by wrong connections or problems created in some cases by unbalance connections.
Also, the Radial JDI D.I Box gives me that little something extra that (flatters) the signal. Nothing less and nothing more.
9) In the immediately preceding comment, you mention that there are no chord variations.And here you are making a mistake.
There are 3 different chord variations: Maj, Min, 7th and even with the possibility of onboard full edit.
On the other hand, let's not talk about the essentially non-existent possibilities provided by Yamaha in this matter (chord variations) since the only way the user can create something like this is through third-party software which the user must pay for, as well as the use of a computer and especially good midi knowledge programming. I would call it disappointing especially for such a big company like Yamaha.
Ketron on the other hand in this area (chord variation) introduces to the Event an amazing innovation that puts things in a new fantastic and creative state.
And this innovation is called
MULTICHORD. What is this.
So we thought of the following simple thing: Instead of having, for example, in all the Majors a midi sequence in each chord, let's have 12 different midi sequences as many as the notes chromatically in each octave following simple thinking: A musician for example a Pianist either when playing and accompanying an orchestra, or when playing alone (solo instrument) playing any rhythmic pattern, never repeats the exact same pattern on every different chord. That is, suppose we play and accompany a singer with a Piano following a 4/4 Ballad pattern. So, the pianist's playing is always somewhat different in everyone "Key chord". That is, otherwise, he will play or can play in CMaj, otherwise he will play or can play in DMaj, otherwise he will play or can play in Cm, and so on.
So, by thinking creatively we can create our own Multichord Midi Files with different chords in each Key Chord as many as we want and then you will really realize that we keep forgetting the concept of repetition. So: Maj 12 different midi fills, Min 12 different midi fills, Min7 12 different midi fills and so on. Of course, it is not necessary to write 12 midi files. If we don't want it, then we write what we want, and the system takes over the "translation"
In this way, the boring repetition ceases to exist since for each Key Chord we can have a different midi file.
The only limitation is our imagination.
But the most terrible thing here is that we don't need to program all this in one style. All we do is to program our midi files separately in a daw (Cubase etc.), (whatever we want) we export them to a folder with the appropriate names and we just copy/paste it to a special folder on the SSD of the Event.
From there, all we do is open them to any channel we want in a style where after we simply select it, it plays normally following the chords of the style as another integral part of the Style.
So, you can imagine that in relation to all audio channels that we can have midi Multichord on each midi channel what can it mean.
If you didn't understand I would like you to wait a little while until I make a video of it (a little later) and see it in action.
As well as saying that the company will have several ready-made MULTICHORDS ready to use.
This is what I wanted to say because I could not leave them unanswered.
So, think again if for all that it (the Event) offers and so much more that there is no reason for me to mention it is little even in relation to its price..
So, think again if for all that it (the Event) offers and so much more that there is no reason for me to mention.
Add to that the (from Covid-19 to today) the global problem that exists with the very expensive spare parts and parts that a company will need, put also the cost of fuel that at least in Europe there is a very serious problem with the consequence that there are negative effects on trade.
Thank you very much and I apologize for my huge post.