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Offline Bill

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2022, 03:17:30 PM »
Please define 'the most bang ..'?  ;)

Hi Ton

What I mean is getting what we Perceive as the best value for our money.  Yamaha does not pay us to be loyal, they do not even bother with new styles etc on Musicsoft any more.  I'm not sure what is going on with the additional packs, styles since they decided to give away the old stuff.

Regards

Bill
England

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Offline EileenL

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2022, 04:24:26 PM »
You can get some great Big Band sounds from the Ensemble feature on Genos. I wonder how many people use it.

Offline stephenm52

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2022, 04:36:20 PM »
You can get some great Big Band sounds from the Ensemble feature on Genos. I wonder how many people use it.

Thanks for the reminder I often forget we have those Ensemble sounds.
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Offline mikf

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2022, 04:48:04 PM »
The fact is that all of these TOTL keyboards now have excellent sounds, and differences are marginal rather than material difference to an average listener, or even the player.
Many other things enter into the decision on whether to buy and which to buy - price, availability, ease of operation, individual features and their relative importance to you, learning curve on new system, availability of ‘extras’ like style libraries, voice libraries. We all weigh these up and decide for ourselves. If you prefer the sax on one but the piano on another, the decision gets harder, and you balance all the other issues, and decide.
The good thing for us consumers is that the choice is great.
BTW - life is not all about best bang for your buck, it’s about using your money to best suit you. And brand loyalty is an irrelevance to most of us, we buy what we think is best for us at the moment of purchase. If you have good experience with a particular brand, you just weigh that in along with everything else.
Mike

Offline Oldden

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2022, 07:45:57 PM »
You pay your money and take your choice. Dos it really matter if key board A plays a bagpipe or a jaws harp better than keyboard B. It’s the player not the keyboard that makes the difference. Demos are setup to get the best sounds that can be obtained with a certain setup, but the chances are you will never get the same. Just be happy with what you have. I love my Genos and see no reason to change. And by the way I would never have got rid of my Hammond except for the space it took up, happy days.

Offline Oldden

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2022, 07:46:59 PM »
You pay your money and take your choice. Dos it really matter if key board A plays a bagpipe or a jaws harp better than keyboard B. It’s the player not the keyboard that makes the difference. Demos are setup to get the best sounds that can be obtained with a certain setup, but the chances are you will never get the same. Just be happy with what you have. I love my Genos and see no reason to change. And by the way I would never have got rid of my Hammond except for the space it took up, happy days.
 
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #56 on: October 19, 2022, 01:33:53 AM »
You pay your money and take your choice. Does it really matter if key board A plays a bagpipe or a jaws harp better than keyboard B. It’s the player not the keyboard that makes the difference.

I would say to an extent the player makes a big difference. Having said that the sounds on the keyboard itself also make a big difference. If I'm an accomplished musician/keyboardist, would I rather have good sounds in my keyboard or superb sounds? The answer for the serious musician is they want the best sounds possible I would think. I want a Bagpipe that sounds like real Bagpipe(s). I want a Jaws Harp that sounds as close as possible to the real thing. The player is vitally important, but the "sounds" are the more important aspect for the musician/keyboardist especially big-name artists that do world tours. You don't want to go out on stage and have your audience start throwing tomatoes at you because your keyboard can't cut the mustard even though you're playing skills are top notch. Just saying. Enjoy what you play for sure.

All the best,
Mike
 

Offline BogdanH

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #57 on: October 19, 2022, 11:01:35 AM »
...I want a Bagpipe that sounds like real Bagpipe(s). I want a Jaws Harp that sounds as close as possible to the real thing.
...
-I agree on that... I'm pretty sure we all do.

I have midrange PSR-SX700 keyboard, so I can't speak about sounds in Genos, PaX5, etc. Demos aren't really of that much help, because music is chosen in a way, which shows sounds in the best light. And so it happens I find musicians playing on Youtube as a better source.

What I think, many times we're mixing two things: how close to original some voice sounds, and, how good some voice imitates the original sound. Speaking for my keyboard, and having in mind instruments I've listen in real life, most voices are imitations only -far from "close to original". I don't talk about electric guitars, synth's and similar -they're artificial by nature and can sound in many ways. I talk about real acoustic instruments. I doubt if that many voices were actually created by recording real instruments.

And then, there are a limitations on how we can play certain voice (instrument) on keyboard. Violins (string orchestra) for example... here, glissando/portamento is one of the very important expressions -on keyboard however, that only works in mono (single note) mode. And is influenced only by "linear" portamento time.. means, the time is the same for two adjacent notes and for two distant notes -that's not how it's done on real instrument. And so, many times even relative simple pieces of music, can't be performed well.

In short, for keyboards, there's a LOT of room for improvements.

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Offline DerekA

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #58 on: October 19, 2022, 12:59:26 PM »
I talk about real acoustic instruments. I doubt if that many voices were actually created by recording real instruments.

I would disagree with that - all the 'acoustic' voices on SX and Genos are generated from wave samples.

But I think this is the key point. A sample can sound great when played skillfully, using all the dynamic and articulation options available. Or the same sample can sound awful when played in a monotonous, clumsy way. That's what people mean when they say it's the player that makes the most contribution to the overall performance.


Offline ugawoga

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #59 on: October 19, 2022, 01:17:45 PM »
The Saxes are awful in my view as they sound thin  and washed out :)
Piano's and Synths are Korgs asset and the rest Yamaha knocks the arranger market into touch
All those fiddly buttons on the Pax5 makes for an overcrowded dust collector.
Nice wooden ends though and no print on the buttons.
Genos is still the KING!! 8)
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2022, 02:43:19 PM »
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A sample can sound great when played skillfully, using all the dynamic and articulation options available.
Truer words were never spoken. When playing a sax sample, you can't think like a piano player. You must leverage your saxophone brain.
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Offline mikf

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #61 on: October 19, 2022, 03:38:53 PM »
The Saxes are awful in my view……
Ok John, we get it, you prefer the Genos sax. But awful .. hardly. We all have personal preference, but most people think the Korg voices overall to be very good.  In fact all these TOTL arrangers - Ketron, Genos, Korg - sound very good to me, not a lot between them.
Mike
 
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #62 on: October 19, 2022, 06:14:12 PM »
On both the Genos and the Pa5X there are plenty of different Sax voices to choose from. We've heard a few on the internet regarding the Pa5X Saxes with some better than others. But again, the nice thing about the Pa5X and the Genos is the ability to shape the sound to more your liking using the Voice Edit features. Korg actually has an advantage in that realm since the Editing tools are more comprehensive with greater microscopic editing capability. What we're mainly hearing from the Korg currently is 'out of box' sounds. When the major OS update is released in December for the Pa5X I wouldn't be surprised if the overall sound is improved on many of the individual instrument sounds. Here's another example of Saxes & Brass Combo sounds from the Pa5X. Out of the Box they sound pretty good in my opinion. Saxes & Brass Combo

All the best,
Mike
 

Offline Oldden

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #63 on: October 19, 2022, 07:19:03 PM »
Reading the reply’s makes me think what we are really looking for. If it’s wanting to  sound  like a real instrument then try Kontakt 7, some of the instruments are very good but they have loads of options so I would not like to try live, plus you  need first class gear for the actual sound. Then there is software like Presonus, band in a box, Cubase and many more, it’s all down to what you want, plus how much you are prepared to pay, which for me, at it is just a hobby  cost is a factor. I’ve still got my psr3000 and enjoy playing it, plus a midi keyboard which I use with garage band. I don’t honestly think it matters because I only play at home what I use, I just enjoy all the options available.
 

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2022, 07:26:54 PM »
To John's point about awful sax voices on the 5X. I think they're okay but still not quite as good as the "out of the box" shape of the Genos sax voices. What's questionable about the 5X sax voices is how they're played in the demos. You can tell that the person who's playing them has not done their homework in listening to real sax players and using those techniques as much a possible. The R&B band I joined a year ago required me to do a lot of sax solos. I studied the technique for hours to get the sound I (they) wanted. I'm still not exactly like the real thing and never will be, but I'm much closer than the person playing the demo on the 5X videos.
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Offline Drsun19

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2022, 08:16:00 PM »
Genos is the best keyboard till now...(change my mind).

I have a whale of a time with my keyboard at home, when i play at gigs it always rocks and the possibilities are infinite i have plenty of libraries, samples and styles. What i highly recommend you is to edit your midi files and styles to your taste. Some could argue that some sounds or midi files don't sound so real but what does the trick is the edition!

I'm really happy with it.

Greetings.
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2022, 11:47:42 PM »
Genos is the best keyboard till now...(change my mind).
I have a whale of a time with my keyboard at home, when i play at gigs it always rocks and the possibilities are infinite i have plenty of libraries, samples and styles. What i highly recommend you is to edit your midi files and styles to your taste. Some could argue that some sounds or midi files don't sound so real but what does the trick is the edition!
I'm really happy with it.
Greetings.
Agreed but my big beef with the Genos is the weak piano, e.piano, and organ voices. These are at the heart of all keyboards. For nearly $7,000, they had better sound like the real things! My other issue is the clunky style editor. I'm very capable of creating my own styles but I simply refuse to do them on such a pathetic editor. For what we pay for the Genos, there should be PC and Mac editors available for download. Perhaps in Genos 2? If not, I may move on to a different arranger.
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Offline pjd

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2022, 01:04:30 AM »
I started experimenting with the V3 Sound YAMMEX XXL expansion module. Found one on ebay at a ridiculous price...

The drawbar organs are all sampled. Some have the Leslie sampled in, some are without Leslie. The sans-Leslie voices are intended for post-processing by a pedal. Through a Lester K, they beat the Montage/MODX and Genos hands-down.

The YAMMEX XXL has two decent grands: a Bosendorfer Imperial 290 and a Steinway D. They are better than the MODX CFX although the playing experience may be better from the Genos FSX keybed. (Haven't tried yet.)

The EPs are good although the selection is limited: MK1, A200, MK1 dyno, FM. They are a little too clean, but the Lester K overdrive can dirty them up.  :) 8)

Yep, there is room for improvement in Genos.

All the best -- pj
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2022, 01:20:06 AM »
Good to know, PJ. For what we pay for a Genos, it should sound as good as the YAMMEX XXL.

I'm still curious about the Lester G. Should I buy one or wait for Genos 2?
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2022, 07:25:22 AM »
Hey PJ and Lee :

Referring to your comments, I wonder if it might be possible a last Genos' update will follow before Yamaha are going to introduce the Genos2 or ... is this question unthinkable ?  :P
Best regards, JH
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Offline DerekA

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2022, 09:46:48 AM »
... is this question unthinkable ? 

... it is *un-knowable* to anyone outside Yamaha.

But this doesn't prevent people from continually asking !!!
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Offline ton37

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #71 on: November 04, 2022, 10:08:30 AM »
agree, and still many want to answer on that question ....ehh because.. it's raining outside  ;D  ;)
« Last Edit: November 04, 2022, 10:43:45 AM by ton37 »
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2022, 12:25:29 PM »
Hi Jeff,

I think if the Genos 2 is close to being released, say summer 2023, then any further updates other than bug fixes, are probably not coming. If Yamaha is way behind schedule, they may offer up another hidden gem in the Genos, just to keep its client base interested.

From what I've seen, I don't think either will happen. My registration issue (bug) is an isolated case. The recent update was a bug fix and some other things they didn't mention. (I hate when they do that!!)

With the cyclic nature of Covid and other viruses, I've gone from playing 100 shows a year down to about 40. The latter ones are crammed into the summer months because indoor venues are still somewhat dangerous or simply foolish without a mask and plexiglass shield. I'll be 70 next birthday and am having doubts about buying Genos 2, unless it's a major game changer. An "improved" Genos won't cut it for me. I have a little less faith in Yamaha's QC than I did a year ago, between an OS system issue they can't fix and cheap construction.

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Offline EileenL

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #73 on: November 04, 2022, 01:13:40 PM »
Hi Lee,
  I have just listened to Jean Martyn a professional player using Genos to play piano.
It sounded fantastic and she also plays a Steinway and this was just as good to listen to.
 
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #74 on: November 04, 2022, 02:21:54 PM »
I found this video of her playing. She's amazing!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfNOxWldcR8

I somehow doubt the Genos would hold a candle to a Steinway but that's a totally unfair comparison 😀. I'd still like Yamaha to up their game with the core Genos voices. They've done so well with all the others.

Edit
Like most videos, I wish they'd place the camera overhead!! Aside from her stellar performance, it would be great to see her hands. Videographers, take notice!
« Last Edit: November 04, 2022, 02:25:06 PM by Lee Batchelor »
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2022, 03:57:15 PM »
Hi Lee :

You are a professional gigger ; playing music is your daily income.
You had a very difficult time ( Covid ).
 
I would sincerely hope Yamaha could help you out asap !
Cross my fingers !
All the best, JH
 

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2022, 06:12:28 PM »
Thanks, Jeff! At least my Genos is still playable 100%. It's just a little inconvenient. When I get it solved, I'll share the information with this forum.
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2022, 06:15:02 PM »
One more thing, Eileen - thanks for sharing that video of Jean Martyn! She is a remarkable player and I'm ashamed to say I had never heard of her. I will start following her on YouTube 😉. I wish I was half as good. Like Peter Baartmans, she makes the Genos sing like a bird.
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Offline mikf

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #78 on: November 04, 2022, 06:41:01 PM »
Lee
I don’t have a Genos, but have a CVP 705 which probably has a better, but only marginally better, piano voice.
 But the big difference is keyboard feel, which is way better. And even that comes nowhere close to the feel and resonance of a Steinway or other TOTL grands pianos, like Bosendorfer, Fazioli or Shigeru. If you asked Jean Martyn what she thinks of the Genos, I bet she would not be unhappy with the basic piano voice, it’s the feel and the resonance that sets top grand pianos apart.
None of the arrangers or even straight digitals, get get can close to that. The Korg is good, but when both played equally well, I doubt anyone would notice a difference between the Korg and the Genos. Maybe the player, but not the average listener.
I see so many comments about piano quality on Yamaha arrangers, people want them to sound and play like a Steinway. But I have never seen anyone complain that Steinway need to come up to date and have a button that switches on a jazz trio accompaniment like a Genos! And they cost more than ten times the Genos.
The instruments are just different with different qualities, but both top examples of their type.
Mike

BTW - an aside, - although Jean Martyn is a good player, you would expect that at her level. But for this style of piano playing, listen to the great BG Adair from  Nashville, who is my favorite in this genre of very listenable jazz piano trio. Now in her eighties, her jazz phrasing is beautifully restrained, inventive and lush without ever drifting too much from the original tune. I can listen to her for hours, and if I could wave a magic wand I would want to play just like BG Adair.
Mike
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Offline pjd

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2022, 07:47:57 PM »
Good to know, PJ. For what we pay for a Genos, it should sound as good as the YAMMEX XXL.

I'm still curious about the Lester G. Should I buy one or wait for Genos 2?

Hi Lee --

That's a tough question. For myself, I don't think I will upgrade to a Genos Mk2 unless Yamaha produce something utterly fantastic and impossible to refuse. I enjoy playing what I have. Thus, I'm willing to splash out for a new pedal or whatever now and then. (Usually a "used" object that's lost its shine and premium. )

There's a lot to be said for staying "all in one" when gigging. I play out with a small bag: music book, a few cables, sustain pedal, expression pedal, power supply, direct box and eyeglasses. Even that seems like too much.  ::) I'm always afraid that I will leave some random thing behind (especially those eyeglasses). Taking Lester K means an additional cable, pedal and power supply. Lester doesn't give me enough sonic reason to take it to the church gig where the internal rotary sim does just fine.

Hope this opinion is helpful -- pj
 

Offline pjd

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #80 on: November 04, 2022, 07:52:48 PM »
But the big difference is keyboard feel, which is way better. And even that comes nowhere close to the feel and resonance of a Steinway or other TOTL grands pianos, like Bosendorfer, Fazioli or Shigeru.
Mike

Hi Mike --

I don't think I emphasized this point enough in my YAMMEX post. A big part of the "piano experience" is the playing action, the feel and the hand-sound connection. We agree.

I detest playing acoustic piano sounds on a synth action keybed. I prefer the Genos FSX keybed over the MODX and sometimes MIDI the two together. Would I take a CVP or better -- you bet!!!

All the best to ya -- pj
 

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #81 on: November 04, 2022, 08:01:35 PM »
Hi Mike,
I shall check out BG Adair. I've never heard of him either. I sometimes wonder if I've been living under a cabbage leaf for the past 60 years or so 🤣🤣🤣! Good point about the Genos piano or any other electronic piano ever achieving the sound of a real piano. The physics just aren't there - although, some companies have come close.


Hi PJ,
You're right about the Lester K. It's another device to hook up in conditions where the band is pressed for time. And to be fair, the B3s I'm using in the mix probably sound just fine to the other band members and audience. If I was being recorded, that would be different. I'd use a real B3 or a really good VST sample.

Thanks guys...
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Offline mikf

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #82 on: November 04, 2022, 09:39:54 PM »
Lee, Actually BG Adair is a lady. I said she was in her 80s and I thought she was still playing, but I found out that she died earlier this year. She has been my go to player when I want to sit back, with a glass of wine and soak in the music.
As well, as performing, and recording, she was a professor of jazz music at University in Nashville. She made dozens of albums, check out on Spotify. Her style is so relaxed, and does not sound complicated, like an Oscar Peterson or Bill Evans, and I always think, I could do that’ but when I try to copy it just doesn’t come out like her. It’s much more subtle than it sounds.
Mike
 
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #83 on: November 05, 2022, 12:05:10 AM »
Oops, "lady." Thanks for the correction and I apologize for the error. I shall Google her and listen for playing styles she may still be releasing to us 😉.
It sounds like she's much like Ray Charles. He made his playing sound easy until you start analyzing his passages. They're trickier than you think. Another master of the 88 keys.
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #84 on: November 05, 2022, 10:23:21 AM »
Hi Guys :

All modern new arranger keyboard's features and sounds have been improved tremendesly.
Nowadays all enduser prices have also been increased significantly. ::)

The newest Korg PA5X's delivery has been delayed due to ( software ) bugs and maybe other problems.
A huge update has been promised for December 2022.

In November/December 2022 the Ketron/Event will be available in our music shops.
At least ( small ? ) bugs can be expected, IMO.

Yamaha will take all the time and knowledge needed to introduce a Genos2, I guess. :)
For me a 61n version is a must but ... I am afraid only a 76n will be available.  :-X

Best regards, JH



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Offline chesterkins

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #85 on: November 05, 2022, 12:22:54 PM »
Why buy a new Genos?
Plenty of good used products out there if you shop around
In the UK you can buy a Genos in excellent condition with speakers for under £3000
As we know Yamaha products last forever.........................
 

Offline ugawoga

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #86 on: November 05, 2022, 12:39:01 PM »
Please define 'the most bang ..'?  ;)


When you were 18 :) ;)
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #87 on: November 05, 2022, 01:01:01 PM »
As we know Yamaha products last forever.........................
One small error. I fixed it for you 🤣

As we know Yamaha products used to last forever.........................
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Offline RoyB

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #88 on: November 05, 2022, 01:43:08 PM »
"As we know Yamaha products used to last forever........................."

And that is my experience.
 

I had a Yamaha PSR3000 for several years which showed very little signs of wear and never developed a fault.

My Tyros 5, after only 6 years of very modest, careful home use (and used less than my PSR3000 was), has ugly wear on several buttons (the silvery finish has worn off), and has developed a number of permanent and intermittent faults.


Roy

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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #89 on: November 05, 2022, 03:45:04 PM »
Quote
My Tyros 5, after only 6 years of very modest, careful home use (and used less than my PSR3000 was), has ugly wear on several buttons (the silvery finish has worn off), and has developed a number of permanent and intermittent faults.
In today's world they call that "profit."
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Offline StuartR

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #90 on: November 05, 2022, 04:25:24 PM »
Lee, Actually BG Adair is a lady. I said she was in her 80s and I thought she was still playing, but I found out that she died earlier this year. She has been my go to player when I want to sit back, with a glass of wine and soak in the music.
As well, as performing, and recording, she was a professor of jazz music at University in Nashville. She made dozens of albums, check out on Spotify. Her style is so relaxed, and does not sound complicated, like an Oscar Peterson or Bill Evans, and I always think, I could do that’ but when I try to copy it just doesn’t come out like her. It’s much more subtle than it sounds.
Mike

I discovered BeeGee a number of years ago when Pandora played her music a lot. If you haven't listened to her arrangements of the standards then you've missed something truly great. She will be missed.
 

Offline hans1966

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2022, 06:42:03 PM »
Oops, "lady." Thanks for the correction and I apologize for the error. I shall Google her and listen for playing styles she may still be releasing to us 😉.
It sounds like she's much like Ray Charles. He made his playing sound easy until you start analyzing his passages. They're trickier than you think. Another master of the 88 keys.



Hello Lee, here is a small sample of the musical talent of BG Adair

Cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOtUIMrJUyc
"Enjoying my SX600, and moving step by step through the journey of life"
 
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Offline mikf

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2022, 10:39:27 PM »
Good one Hans, the Autumn Leaves is great, and the Fly Me to the Moon that follows is absolutely sublime. Jazz piano at its best. I love the way her improv is always so melodic, and her syncopation spot on. Some of her peers got more press because they were more showy, slamming in amazing fast two handed runs and way out harmony. but she is understated, and always keeps the music front and center rather than just showing off her technical skill. 
Mike
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Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2022, 01:57:08 AM »
Thanks Hans!
"Learn" your music correctly, then "practice" it. Don't practice mistakes because you'll learn them.
 

Offline vanzee

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2022, 10:34:23 AM »
A Genos "end of life" has the advantage that after all the
updates and upgrades this one is at the peak of its development,
with few (if any) errors.
This is still a fantastic device with huge potential.

When a new device comes out, the old model is
often sold at a greatly reduced price to liquidate stock
or with some extras.

Since 2017, Genos had until now (2022) numerous
updates to fix bugs.
A new model will most likely not be flawless
and will also need updates again over time
to become a top product.
IMO. is it worth putting these statements
to take into consideration.
Best Regards
Eddy Vanzee
 

Offline France4me

Re: Yamaha Genos still worth to buy in 2022??
« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2023, 04:37:54 AM »
I believe Yamaha Genos is a brilliant professional Arranger Workstation. As I have played this beautiful device, I say, it is still the best.
Having said that, I would wait for the replacement of the current Genos considering that I paying AU$6,499.00 as the best price here in Australia, then I'm willing to wait till around Christmas as I have a feeling that Yamaha would delight us all with a brand new model.

MRP in Australia is AU$7,999.00 which is equivalent to $5,472 US, and £4,179.