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Offline ton37

Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2022, 06:29:44 PM »
Hi, today I attended a keyboard demonstration given by the Yamaha-demonstrator and entertainer: Peter Baartmans. Being able to enjoy his presentation and listning to his sublime playing technique for 2 hours. An engaging and friendly person who is easily approachable. He played on the Yamaha CVP-7xx and on the Genos. Oh man, wat a wonderful 'concert', so inspiring! Of course: at the (coffee)bar I couldn't resist asking him: when we will see you demonstrating a new Genos2 ? He answered: I don't know that either (and if he did, he wouldn't tell). But he wouldn't be surprised if he started giving presentations on it next Christmas (2023)! In other words, I still trust my prediction in the headline of this post. So, just enjoy your 'old' Yammie just another year and then ...?? It's going to be a 'happy new year', in this regard. ;)
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2022, 08:10:57 PM »
You might be right : December 2023 could be a very good period to show and demonstrate Yamaha's newest high end arranger keyboard.

However it is hard to believe Yamaha will ever launch 3 versions.

JH

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Offline EileenL

Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2022, 11:06:56 PM »
That sounds about right as they usually launch at the end of the year.
I don't think you will ever see a Genos in three versions. 76 note seems to suit most people.
 
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Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2023, 02:47:24 PM »
Although it would be good, in some ways, if Yamaha were to give people a 61, 76 and 88 weighted key option I'm not so sure the latter is actually THAT suitable given my experience with the PA5X. It sort of seems clumsy at times: the default split position seems high up the keyboard to me, using mod & pitch bend is more tricky with 88 keys, regardless where they place them. Many voices still benefit from using these wheels and articulation buttons. I find it near impossible to use them effectively on the PA5X88.

Moreover...
Yamaha already does a CVP line for weighted keys which I think suits that far more (focus more on piano and the backing is more automatic rather than chord controlled). For 61 keys people can always resort to the PSR line.

Also Yamaha now offers more backing options in the DGX line. Again more automatic, rather than chord controlled.

Sure, it's possible they will do the full 61/76/88 options with a Genos followup, I'm just not sure it's necessary and is suitable. I don't believe any rumours at this stage anyway.

Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2023, 06:06:55 AM »
I expect Yamaha to Release a New Genos this year. SO Get Ready to be exited when it launches. I hope it does as well.
 

Offline mikf

Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2023, 12:23:00 PM »
Andrew - not sure I understand your comment about the backing on a CVP being more automatic, rather than chord driven. The accompaniment on the CVP, Genos and PSRs all works exactly the same way. People might choose to play them differently, but thatís all.
An interesting point for me re how important is 61 and 88 keys is how much does portability matter. The arranger grew out of the home organ market, in fact ultimately replaced it. Home organs were top quality, expensive, non-portable pieces of furniture. But my perception is that most arranger players donít need it to be portable, because most owners are home players and arrangers are not typically the instrument  of choice for gig players. They are mostly the same people who bought home organs. .
I think price rather than portability is the really big driver of market. And these portable instruments, even the TOTL models, can be made and distributed so much more cheaply than the very solid piece of home furniture that the home organ or the CVP represents. This expanded the market exponentially. So I think the 88 key arranger wil be successful, as long as it costs little more than the 76 or 61 key versions.
Mike


Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2023, 05:44:16 PM »
Andrew - not sure I understand your comment about the backing on a CVP being more automatic, rather than chord driven. The accompaniment on the CVP, Genos and PSRs all works exactly the same way. People might choose to play them differently, but thatís all.
An interesting point for me re how important is 61 and 88 keys is how much does portability matter. The arranger grew out of the home organ market, in fact ultimately replaced it. Home organs were top quality, expensive, non-portable pieces of furniture. But my perception is that most arranger players donít need it to be portable, because most owners are home players and arrangers are not typically the instrument  of choice for gig players. They are mostly the same people who bought home organs. .
I think price rather than portability is the really big driver of market. And these portable instruments, even the TOTL models, can be made and distributed so much more cheaply than the very solid piece of home furniture that the home organ or the CVP represents. This expanded the market exponentially. So I think the 88 key arranger wil be successful, as long as it costs little more than the 76 or 61 key versions.
Mike

My understanding of Piano Room was perhaps misplaced.

I thought it was more clever than it appears to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qx-tEQ2Zl0&ab_channel=ePianos.co.uk

I presume however that the next step, beyond just AI fingering would be for the arranger to analyse velocity, amounts of notes played and range and change backing based on that but maybe that won't happen.
It's a bit unclear to me what Piano Room does under the hood. It seems to have been sold more as automated backing in some demos but this guy in that video indeed seems to select the style parts in quite a similar fashion, just a different interface. Maybe an improved interface helps pianists. I still don't think touch screen interfaces will ever be as fast as using physical buttons. Hence my gripe with the PA5X not having registrations. With the CVP having the reg buttons towards the right hand side, rather than central as on the Genos (so easier to access from both hands), and two less I don't think there is much of an improvement to the CVP beyond the weighted keys and key count if AI fingering is all that is going on in Piano Room.
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Offline mikf

Re: New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2023, 07:05:35 PM »
Andrew
The piano room is as you say really just a different interface. There is no additional technology on the accompaniment, but it does set the instrument up for playing accompanied two handed piano in a single button press, like a super sophisticated registration. It is also a neat graphic and as well as setting up the CVP it gives a reduced list of styles, easily selectable on the graphic, which are specifically  chosen to be suitable to back full piano playing.
But it also has some limitations, that donít exist when you set up using the normal interfaces. For example, you canít access all the styles, or use custom styles, or start the accompaniment without the one bar metronome sounding first. That last sounds like a small issue but playing an intro or verse freestyle, then kicking in rhythm is a pretty normal pro piano player technique and you canít do it in Piano Room without that one bar metronome.
There are other downsides, but on balance, itís a neat interface that some will like, maybe especially people new to arrangers. It would not in itself influence me to buy a CVP because I hardly use it, but I have to admit it seemed really neat when I first tried it in the showroom, so maybe it did influence me!
The big advantages of the CVP  ÖÖÖPiano Room isnít one of them ÖÖ
Itís close to a real piano - good sound, good feel, great for playing/recording two handed piano with full accompaniment.
Itís a nice self contained piece of furniture
It gets rid of the studio / lab look of the portable arranger (which my wife hated)
It still has most of the features of an arranger, certainly all I need.
Downsides -
Price - high compared to TOTL arrangers, (but not compared to quality acoustic pianos)
Not portable
Takes up space - (although that might be an upside for some ??)
Not the right tool for people who want to use the arranger it for very sophisticated music recording and production with connectivity to other equipment like computers, workstations, mixers, sound systems and so on.
 
I chose it because it suits my needs, and liked it so much I bought a second one. Itís a unique product because there is really no equivalent from other suppliers.
Mike



 
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