Topic: This is the Real Deal Trade your Genos for You Know What!!!

[Christophermoment]

ugawoga Quote, For me the face of the keyboard  layout looks cramped to me, also the buttons are small and very tightly spaced.

ugawoga...Why is that bothering you because as you won't be buying one !!!.

Roger & Jo.
This Article has been going on to too long.
Its time for this thread to be closed.

Graham, Why does it bother you so much what John's opinions are? Surely he should be allowed to express his opinions?

[stephenm52]

One thing is for sure this new Pa5x has livened up keyboard forums including this one.   Here's my 2 cents and I believe I may have written this somewhere else.  First I have not demoed a Pa5x.  Thru the years I have moved back and forth between Yamaha and Korg arrangers, everything from the PSR 3000, Tyros2, 4, 5 s900, s910, SX900 and Genos. From Korg  PA800, Pa2x, Pa3x and now the Pa4x.   As much as I have enjoyed Korg and still have the Pa4x, I'm partial to the Yamaha line of arrangers.  As someone who studied piano  I will say though the touch of the keybed on the Pa4x is more suited to my playing style than that of the Genos.  I will also add that to my aging ears, the Grand Pianos and the Organs on the Korg are better sounding.  If I really want true piano action I just head over to the Claivnova CVP307 or the DGX670.


So far as the Pa5x being sold out I believe it's more of a supply problem.  I had to wait about 3 months for my DGX670 in 2021, before deciding on that I had my eyes on the Yamaha P515 and Roland FP60x, the real problem there were very limited supplies. I finally did find the DGX670 after looking for 3 months. 

[ugawoga]

ugawoga Quote, For me the face of the keyboard  layout looks cramped to me, also the buttons are small and very tightly spaced.

ugawoga...Why is that bothering you because as you won't be buying one !!!.


This Article has been going on too long.
Its time for this thread to be closed.

I hate to see people being ripped off .
The Korg sound is bland  and sounds are not real or near to it in my view, only the piano's and Strings.
Do not worry Chris as i get the same commenting on Swindon Town Football Club.
Now i am getting votes with the Jockster to take over as manager of Swindon Town.
I would bring back Don Rogers!!! and Mick Summerbee ex Man City
Well, that would really be in the early 70's
They would still beat todays players even on a zimmer frame!!

All the best
John   
Ps The moral of the story is  "It is all fun and general banter"!!!

[ton37]

Hi
The Genos did not sound good at all with all those beginning videos and that is down to the recordings.
When listening to demos on utube etc ,you are not hearing the full sound as It should be.
...........

All the Best
john

Psst @John, ehh.. do you remember?   

[Amwilburn]

Hi Guys :

BAD KORG NEWS ?
Watch following PA Korg video ...  I am shocked.
True or not true ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIM9eIBmcQ

Best regards, JH

Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait. The complaints include lack of communication between users and developers... that's true of any brand, any keyboard, not specifically the PA5x. Yes Yamaha is trying with their own forum, but at the end of the day you basically have thousands of voices shouting what they want, and 1 or 2 people sifting through all the suggestions.

On the other hand, his complaints about his PA1000 having limited sample slots is very true... but maybe they've changed that on PA5x.  On Yamahas that are YEM compatible, there's maybe 13k of header data on the earlier boards like the PSRs970, 61k on the Genos... that essentially means there's that many pieces of samples, or styles, registrations, etc you can install. It's not a fixed array, so you can either fill your memory with a few large samples, or thousands of small ones. On the PA1000 and earlier, because the number of slots was a fixed array, Korgs with more memory meant you could put bigger samples in, but not more. For practical purposes that would be like Yamaha allowing less than 2 full packs to be installed on a kb; you could do 1 full pack and most of a 2nd one, regardless of how much sample ram you had.

But maybe the PA5x has finally gone to variable arrays for samples as well. We'll see; but it would be silly (to me) to release a kb with the largest user sample area by a wide margin, and not allow you to put more samples in! Which means it's a genuine complaint about previous Korgs, yes. No idea if it applies to the PA5x yet.

His complaint about Korg's entire line being the same sound chip, for vastly different $$$? also true. But Korg is very transparent about that; they want stuff you created on the top and bottom board of a series to be fully compatible; what you pay for is build quality/keys/ features, including things like number of ins, outs, harmonizer/vocoder, etc (I can see people having loads of fun with the new Shift Audio auto tune, T-Pain style!). That's not a secret they've been hiding, and they're fully transparent when it comes to that, so more of a clickbait complaint. But yes PA4x. PA1000, PA700 actually have the exact same sound libraries.

In other words, some genuine PA1000 complaints, but otherwise it's just click bait.

Mark

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Mark :

Thank you very much for your useful and wise comments.

I am very impressed by your arranger keyboard' s knowledge and your professional analysis.

Best wishes, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks for the link, Mike. I was away for a week and just got back.

I've heard that demo before. There's still something very dated about the brass and sax section sounds. Overall, the Genos equivalents are far better to my aging ears. And to be fair to Korg, YouTube demos are tainted by the way they process their sound. They tend to be compressed and despite that, some of their sound comes booming across while other signals are very low.

I think we all need to forget these online demos and get to a store where the 5X is being played by a pro over a decent sound system. Same with the Genos 2, if it ever gets here .

[mikf]

John - a man sees the manager of Swindon Town walking down the street with a brand new PaX5 under his arm. What are you doing with that he asks. I got it for the team says the manager. Boy, you drive a hard bargain says the man. 
Mike

[Jeff Hollande]

Mark's quote : " Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait "

Hi Mark :

Up to now I saw a couple of commercial video's and a significant price increase of the competitor's arranger compared to its predecessor.

My question :
Is the 5X completely different than its predecessor ( and the other models )  ?
If so, how different is it ( except the addition of the 88 keys model ) ?

Your reply would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards, JH

[Duffy]

Mark's quote : " Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait "

Hi Mark :

Up to now I saw a couple of commercial video's and a significant price increase of the competitor's arranger compared to its predecessor.

My question :
Is the 5X completely different than its predecessor ( and the other models )  ?

Your reply would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards, JH

It's very different, in the same way as the Genos is very different to the Tyros range.
Some novel ideas on it and the seamless sound switching is brilliant (although it's only something that Technics did more than 20 years ago).
It's price compares well with the Genos too.
As a committed Yamaha fan, I am surprised that you want to know.

[ton37]

Maybe it is informative regarding this subject and mainly based on facts therefore if you are interested, pls. have a look in the post, I'v linked below

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,63454.msg483768.html#msg483768

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Duffy :

Thanks for your reply.

You are absolutely right : I am even a lot more than just a Yamaha fan. 

The more I know about the competition, the more I believe Yamaha is the only world leader. 

Have a nice weekend ! JH

[EileenL]

Well to me just owning and playing a Yamaha keyboard should tell you the qualities you get with it. So to me reading reams of stories about what other keyboards do is pointless and time wasting. Have been playing Yamaha organs and keyboards for the last forty years and during that time have tried other makes of organs and keyboards but have always come back to Yamaha because to me personally they are the best and easiest to set up and very reliable and the service in the UK is excellent. The sounds and styles beat any competitor and are very easy to edit to your own taste.
  For those who like to multi track there performance it really dose sound like you are listening to a real orchestra playing. That says it all to me.

[Duffy]

Hi Jeff,
I used to feel exactly the same about Technics and especially my KN7000.
I feel that my Genos is a good board but still has features which need addressing and Korg has dealt with those but I've never had a Korg.
Health problems mean that I won't be around to enjoy it if Yamaha don't move a bit quicker on dealing with these problems.
I think we all look for something a little different when we choose keyboards but what's right for us personally is the deal.
Nice weekend to you too which probably means keeping very cool 

[musicman01]

Dear forum members,
As for the bad video of Korg, one can also turn it around.
What problems were there with Genos such as crashes and various functions and states not working properly? It is only from v 2.0 that it went well, see recently the problems with Midi.
How many have complained about the poor build quality and, for example, the names that disappeared from the buttons??
I can list a whole bunch of things that are still not good and missing from Genos!
Yamaha has always used the same sound library from Tyros 1 to 5 and Genos and always supplemented it a bit. Every three years a new model with minor changes, until now with Genos five years.
@ John, apparently you are a real specialist!
You are always commenting on anything and everything.
As long as one has not played your instrument and most likely has not seen it in real life
how on earth can one pass judgment?

PS: I'm a Genos player, not Korg!

[EileenL]

Having had my Genos right after the launch I can say it still looks like new and believe me I do a lot of button pushing. No sign of paint wearing off. I don't remember any crashes either. I know in the beginning there was a lot of user error as people got used to the new way of doing some things. Any new keyboard has a few glitches on launch but these were soon addressed and everything was fine.
  I know when I had a new Korg it arrived here in a terrible state. Nothing worked as it should and I did not receive very good treatment when reporting this to them. It took a good couple of months to get it to where it should have been when I had it. They even sent there chief demonstrator to my home to try and help but he knew less on the workings than I did.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Musicman01 :

It is sad, it hurts and it is painful to hear you are so disappointed.
I am afraid nobody can help you out nor advise you.
You are the only one who is to solve this problem.

Maybe a Genos'successor will help you out ... who knows ?

Who am I to say that the competitor's new keyboard is not as good as your present keyboard ?
Why should I ? I am not a keyboard salesman but ... a retired old man.

BUT ... if you should decide to go for the competitor and sell your Genos, plse keep in mind
you have to deal with a complete new keyboard and different software ... all your Yamaha software collections will be useless.

Wish you all the best hoping you will make the right decision.

Best regards, JH


 

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Duffy :

IMHO it will take at least one year before Yamaha will launch a new Genos' successor.
Hard to believe there will be another Genos' update in the meantime, I guess.

Why should I criticize the newest competitor's baby ?
There is no reason. I am a simple old enduser. 

At my age, I will only buy Yamaha, nothing else anymore ... but ... for the time being, I am still interested in the arranger keyboard world and business.

Nothing and nobody is perfect ... and will never be, I guess.

Take care my friend !
Best wishes, JH

[valimaties]

Verry good pointed Jeff.
Buying a Korg PA5X right now after a long time as a Yamaha user, with a big archive of sound styles and midi, is a very big mistake in my opinion. If someone wants to buy PA5X I think it must wait for the missing functions to be implemented and those big bugs to be reparied

BTW, if you see on Youtube videos, PA5X's menu (voice-screen, style-screen a.s.o ) looks very closely to Genos's screen. That's why they said it is something else, not anymore the same as PA4X or predecesor. I think they have implemented the same way as Yamaha, by creating folders and put content on folders, for unlimited spaces.
Search youtube for official video presentation (video manuals). They explain good...

Regards,
Vali

[musicman01]

Dear Jeff, where does it say that I am disappointed???
I just answer to people who break something before they have heard and seen it properly!
I am very satisfied with my Genos, I have taught in keyboard clubs for a long time how to operate Yamaha & Korg arrangers and generally speaking, most users don't even read the manual yet. And yes Korg is more difficult to use, and is actually intended for more professional players because there are a lot more editing options than in Yamaha. And that makes it especially more difficult for the home players.
Korg is no better or worse than Yamaha but as Alois Muller said "Different" !
And (@ Eileen) as for any problems with Korg, there are always exceptions just like with Yamaha.
As I have already mentioned, I played on it and it was a very good experience, actually one should have the two in 1 keyboard.
PS:It is always the person behind the keyboard, not so much the keyboard itself!!

[Oymmot]

Hi.
I have followed the posts here on the forum with interest as I myself was also interested in Korg PA5x.
Unfortunately, not many traders here in Sweden have it at home, but it is available online if you are interested.
I think previous models have not been suitable for my latitudes and not this new PA5x either.
Well I ordered a 61 key in from Stockholm. About: 60 miles from where I live on so-called open purchase. Had to pay 46,000 Swedish kronor and the keyboard was with me the day after the order.
The basket model can do about the same things as Genos but for me the thing was done after 4 hours. It will be back and now it is at the dealer again and I am waiting for the refund of the money.
For the average keyboard player, this is absolutely nothing if I may give advice.
Advanced but different approach to Genos and in my ears no sounds that knocked out my Genos.
Tommy from Sweden.

[Lee Batchelor]

Having had my Genos right after the launch I can say it still looks like new and believe me I do a lot of button pushing. No sign of paint wearing off. I don't remember any crashes either. I know in the beginning there was a lot of user error as people got used to the new way of doing some things. Any new keyboard has a few glitches on launch but these were soon addressed and everything was fine.

Since the most recent software update, I have had issues with default screens. The case looks ten years old (and I treat all my keyboards like a newborn) and some buttons are unreadable. This is definitely NOT typical of Yamaha quality. It's as though they never intended the Genos as a gigging machine. Both my Tyros keyboards never had these issues. Fortunately, the sound of the Genos is stellar, which I'll take over looks any day. Problem is, we used to have good quality cases, buttons, bug free software, AND sounds. Not now. Hopefully, Yamaha will address this in G2 and not add 10 kilos to the weight!

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Lee :

Is your Genos hard to sell at a good price due to the black paint problem(s) ?

JH

[EileenL]

The only trouble I ever had with paint coming off was my Tyros Two. No problem though as Yamaha fitted a new case all free of charge and that one never gave any more trouble.

[Lee Batchelor]

Hi Jeff,

Where the problem with the Genos sub-standard case affects me is, when I trade it in. I've never sold any gear privately. I don't have time for "tire kickers."

My dealer has three levels of trade-in assessment: average, clean, extra clean. Obviously, the better the condition, the more you get for it. All my Yamaha trades have been in the extra clean category, which means the dealer will give me 85% of what they can sell it for. With the Genos, I'll be lucky to get a clean rating, which gives me far less on trade.

I treat my Genos with as much care as all previous keyboards. Thanks to Yamaha being cheap on the Genos finish, I'll lose. Plain and simple, the Genos case is a substandard piece of junk compared to their previous models. Maybe it doesn't matter when the machine sits in a nice clean living room all day but it's no good for gigging musicians. It's impossible to get rid of finger marks and common touch surfaces wear out very fast.

[Lee Batchelor]

The only trouble I ever had with paint coming off was my Tyros Two. No problem though as Yamaha fitted a new case all free of charge and that one never gave any more trouble.

I doubt Yamaha will give us all a new Genos case because they know they dropped the ball on this part of the keyboard.

[valimaties]

@musicman01, you told everything it has to be said with your comment.
 

[Amwilburn]

Mark's quote : " Not "fake news" per se, but certainly overblown and clickbait "

Hi Mark :

Up to now I saw a couple of commercial video's and a significant price increase of the competitor's arranger compared to its predecessor.

My question :
Is the 5X completely different than its predecessor ( and the other models )  ?
If so, how different is it ( except the addition of the 88 keys model ) ?

Your reply would be highly appreciated.

Thanks and best regards, JH

Totally missed this; I don't *know* what's different on the PA5x yet, still waiting for ours. I do know that they have a dedicated guitar input in addition to the mic input (Genos has an extra line in, but that line in can't have amp modelling applied to it, Pa5x *can*) And based on its predecessors, the keys and case will phyiscally be top notch. But I haven't gotten my hands on one yet, so there's a lot I don't know! But yes, the PA4x, PA1000, PA700 were the same chip; just like the PA3x, PA900, PA600 were the same chip. The Pa5x is all new, but I can't break down what that means until I get my hands on one

The aluminum (aluminium in the UK) case of the PA4x, PA3x etc will undoubtedly be on the PA5x as well. Physically it's as nice as you could ask for: brushed metal is easy to clean, and doesn't really leave fingerprints, nor does it wear out. But it comes at the cost of extra weight: the Pa5x-76 is 10 lbs heavier than the Genos.

Mark

[Jeff Hollande]

Thanks a lot, Mark !

I am very interested in your comments after receipt and findings of the new 5X.
I am looking forward to reading them.
JH

[Jeff Hollande]

Quote Lee : I doubt Yamaha will give us all a new Genos case because they know they dropped the ball on this part of the keyboard.
[/i]

Hey Lee :

Did you contact your dealer and/or Yamaha ?

Best regards, JH

[Bill]

Totally missed this; I don't *know* what's different on the PA5x yet, still waiting ours.

The aluminum (aluminium in the UK) case of the PA4x, PA3x etc will undoubtedly be on the PA5x as well. Physically it's as nice as you could ask for: brushed metal is easy to clean, and doesn't really leave fingerprints, nor does it wear out. But it comes at the cost of extra weight: the Pa5x-76 is 10 lbs heavier than the Genos.

Mark

8Gb compressed Ram for user samples (5Gb at current OS) plus 4Gb compressed memory of local samples
with streaming from on board Nand Ram
- 30.060 samples positions at current OS (doubled) , stereo sample takes one position.
- Over 10 GBs of factory samples with addons from Kronos sound libraries
- New EDS-XP sound engine with 24 Stereo Oscillators per Sound (from 24 mono of Pa4X)
that are shared 3 DNC controllers (main DNC2 engine is still the same as in Pa4X)
- 160 notes polyphony
- 10 insert effects (max 3 per track) and 3 master effects per Style (8 tracks)
- 3 insert effects / 3 master effects per KBD set
- New Finalizer effect added of 4 parametric EQ , plus Hi Pass & Low pass , plus Limiter / compressor that can be
assigned in every style and create separate dynamics compared to old global Maxx EQ.
- New updated and enhanced Vocal Processor with ability of simultaneous 6 effects
- Graphical improvement of effects and compressors and their interface with more clarity and better overal
stereo-phony of EDS-XP sound engine with 4 additional Audio Outputs
- Dual players of 2 Independence styles or any , with XDS crossfade control
- Smooth Sound Transition (SST)
- Applied round-robin feature in DKs , fully editable
- Improved Drawbar Organ interface and controllers
- 16 multi-pads plus new controllers assignment using sliders
- 3 pedal inputs with Half-pedal support
- Guitar input with gain and guitar effects via effects interface
- Favorite mode with available 11 KBD sets that can be used in every Style
- Direct SET as a function do not exist anymore , since you can browse directly to any KST folder with Styles/KBD Set and will work as older
Direct SET of Pa4X , as usual without custom samples & custom SOUND folders that will never change in PaSeries if not loaded & preloaded in Ram.
- Double resolution screen compared to Pa4X , 800x480
- 3 USB 3.0 ports , 1 HDMI , RGB leds
- New loading/saving interface with partial elements
- SF2 support similar to Kronos for simple formats (not complex layers)
- Many improved sounds & DKs using new EDS-XP sound engine
- 88 weighted Keybed edition
- User Samples loading time is close to Pa4X Next (though new AM5728 Arm Proc is twice faster) since they use the same streaming
method and can exceed 90sec if 4Gb Ram is filled by user samples.
- Pa4X/1000 resources conversion to new KST format works excellent if resources have been exclusively made on those
models and not from older Pa like Pa800/2X with corrupted parameters that already had issues in Pa4X !

[EileenL]

Hi Jeff,
  Regards Case. I sent pictures of it to Yamaha UK and it went from there.

[Jeff Hollande]

Thank you, Bill for this detailed information.

The X5 looks to be a complete new keyboard compared to their older models, am I right ?

Best wishes, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

I doubt Yamaha will give us all a new Genos case because they know they dropped the ball on this part of the keyboard.

Hey Lee:
Did you contact your dealer and/or Yamaha?
Best regards, JH

Hi Jeff,

When I took delivery of my Genos, I noticed a permanent marker flaw about one half centimeter long on the surface beside the Exit button. Someone along the way must have accidently wrote on the case. I tried everything to get it off but it just made it worse. I contacted my dealer, who contacted Yamaha. Yamaha offered to replace the case but due to the pathetic number of Genos keyboards allotted to Canada, I would have waited about 8 months to get one. Instead, they offered me a decent refund for my trouble ($300 CDN). I took the cash because I figured a small flaw may not affect the trade-in value, especially since I received compensation up front.

Little did I know the case was so cheap that even occasional touching of the surface would result in a ruined appearance, which would further decrease my trade-in value. That's why I doubt they'd give me another case at this time. I could ask. All they can say is "No" .

Edit Has anyone had success in cleaning up shiny wear marks on their Genos case? I fear this is off topic and should be asked elsewhere .

[Gunnar Jonny]

.....The X5 looks to be a complete new keyboard compared to their older models, am I right ?

I think you're right, there is a lot of differences. New OS, new and also rebuildt styles, new file formats, new xx, new xxx, new xxxx, and so on....... 
For those who are interested to know more, there's a lot to read, soundfiles to listen at and videos to view here:
https://www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/pa5x/

(Maybe a bit easier to go straight to the source rather than copy & paste details from one website to another.)   

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Lee :

Thank you for your reply. Very much appreciated.

Apparently you and Yamaha found a solution that has been accepted by both of you.
Very good news, I guess. 

Best regards, JH

[Del B]

Edit Has anyone had success in cleaning up shiny wear marks on their Genos case? I fear this is off topic and should be asked elsewhere .
[/quote]

Here is thet topic Lee

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,58191.0.html

[Lee Batchelor]

Yes, Jeff. Yamaha treated me very well with regards to the flaw. In reality, if the existing case reduces my trade-in value, it may not be a huge amount because I can still try and negotiate with the store for a better deal. There should be some wiggle room because I've bought a ton of gear from them.

All we need now is the Genos 2 to see how it sounds !

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks, Del!

[ton37]

Thank you, Bill for this detailed information.

The X5 looks to be a complete new keyboard compared to their older models, am I right ?

Best wishes, JH

Hi Jeff, looking at your avatar you are playing guitar as well. I sometimes use the SX900 with my guitar, but it is ehh.. rather limited? What do you think of the Pa5x's potential regarding working with guitars? The video images are promising. It could replace a lot of effect gear?

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Gunnar :

Thank you for your reply.

The X5 looks to be a very nice and powerful instrument. 
There will be 3 key sizes : 61, 76 and 88. That is great, I guess !
However, the X5 does not look to be a plug-and-play arranger, IMO.

There is a lot of work to do for Yamaha to beat the competition but ... they will.

I am convinced Yamaha will introduce a Genos2 in 2023 that will overwhelm the entire arranger keyboard world.
Read my lips.

Best regards, JH

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Ton,

I am a guitar player and for me an arranger keyboard is a nice instrument to make my backing tracks.
Up to now my Tyros4 did a great job.

However, I never tried to connect my guitars with my Yamaha keyboard. I am afraid I never will. 
There ain't no reason to connect them.
I prefer to use my Marshall Guitar Amp.

For me guitars and arranger keyboards are such a different instruments.

Best regards, JH

[Gunnar Jonny]

.... However, the X5 does not look to be a plug-and-play arranger, IMO.

The only 'keyboard' I ever had that was 'plug & play', was a cheap Botempi organ ages ago.   
There is a certain learning curve to make modern arrangers to work regardless of what brands we choose.
Even stright out of the box, we need to tickle some buttons to start to play in other than pianomode.

I think PA5X is very exciting, and if Yamaha ever continue the Genos line furter, it going to be amazing.
If they leave the 'plastic fantastic' wrapping and build some more sturdy around the inventory, it will be even better.
As I said before, both PA?X and Genos in same rack most be heavely. We'll see......

* 'heavely' missed an n, my intention was to write heavenly

[Del B]

I think PA5X is very exciting, and if Yamaha ever continue the Genos line furter, it going to be amazing.
If they leave the 'plastic fantastic' wrapping and build some more sturdy around the inventory, it will be even better.
As I said before, both PA?X and Genos in same rack most be heavely. We'll see......

I Quite Agree Gunner
I am in the market for a new board but I will delay the gratification until I see Yamaha's Response to the Korg

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Guys :

All Tyros models ( 1 - 5 ) were made in plastic, colour : silver.
As far as I can remember there were never complaints in the past, am I right ?

I should not be too upset if Yamaha would change the black colour into silver again but who am I ?
At least the quality of the black paint needs to be improved significantly to avoid colour fading.

Increasing the weight of the case might not be liked, especially not by giggers, I guess.

JH

[ton37]

.......
As I said before, both PA?X and Genos in same rack most be heavely. We'll see......

..or a Pa5x and a baby Genos ... 🤔😎

[usaraiya]

Or rather, a PA5X & a Genos 2!! Now, that would be an unbeatable Combo!.
 

[ton37]

I'm afraid that it in  2024 will be a Pa6x and Genos 2 😏

[Graham UK]

I consider this Pa5X downloads one of the better ones.

Fascinating the way his left hand plays an added extension of his right hand.
Interesting technique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

[ton37]

Correct @Graham, as I mentioned in another post: https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,63454.msg483812.html#msg483812 , but no harm to mention it again for those who missed it