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Offline Ton Antheunisse

Volume of some of the voices
« on: May 14, 2022, 03:37:32 AM »
Hello friends , :)

I am still stuck with my S975 and I must admit I do not play as often as I should , but my health problems sometimes take over and then nothing seems to be as it should. :(
My question is this :  Some of the voices on the S975 are way too soft even with volume turned way up to 100% they are barely audible. ( I must admit  having hearing probs and tinnitus ) >:( >:( >:( >:(
I use he headphones a lot to overcome that last mentioned problem.
My question is , is there a way to increase volume apart from the overall (main) volume controle ?

Last year ,this time, I wrote and you answered a lot , about getting a T5 or psr SX 900. What stopped me from getting one?
I had to spend money on my disabled scooter so that put an end to the keyboard exchange  :-\ :'( :'( :'( :'(

Thanks in advance

Ton
 

Offline DrakeM

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2022, 01:07:38 PM »
HI Ton,

YOu can go into the style itself and adjust the volume of any or all the 8 tracks (ie CHR1, PAD, PH2) of each of the 4 Main parts, Intros and Endings. You will then need to SAVE the style with a NAME on your USER drive or USB stick.

I am still using a PSR S950 and it still sounds fantastic compared to a Genos. I don't think the keyboard is the issue. You may want someone else to listen to your styles and get their opinion before upgrading your keyboard.
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Offline jwyvern

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2022, 06:09:00 PM »
Hi Ton
If the voices you mention are being used as Panel voices in R1, 2 or Left (ie. Not in the style) there is an additional volume setting for each voice available in the voice editor (maybe it is called Voice Set in the Psr? This setting in Tyros or Genos is in the first section of the editor, known as "Common" and is likely to be similarly placed on Psr's). The maximum settable volume  is 127, so if the default value is set lower than this you have latitude to raise it.

John
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Offline Toril S

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2022, 07:53:19 PM »
I still have my S975. It is a very good keyboard. You can adjust volume of voices in the mixer, but ad said above, you then have to save the style ss a user style. Ton, I also have tinnitus. We lve in a world that never is silent. People do not understand how tired we get.
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Offline Ton Antheunisse

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2022, 03:38:20 AM »
Hello friends,

Thank you so much for your quick response , much appreciated !!!!!

I am aware of the individual settings, even setting those particular voices to 127 is nowhere near enough volume. You can barely hear them over the left hand or the accompaniment :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

For now , I will blame my hearing (or lack thereof)  :-\ :-\

Kind regards,

Ton

b.t.w.  My daughters got me a Yamaha Sound Bar SR-C20A. It improves the overall sound a lot  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Offline jwyvern

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2022, 08:03:30 AM »

I am aware of the individual settings, even setting those particular voices to 127 is nowhere near enough volume. You can barely hear them over the left hand or the accompaniment :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

For now , I will blame my hearing (or lack thereof)  :-\ :-\

Kind regards,

Ton


Your hearing can complicate the decision making but if it is solely "to blame" I would expect ALL voices to sound weak, not just the panel voices. Could it be that the style setting in your case is set too high and is drowning the melody voices? Have you tried setting the general style volume down until you can hear those voices? Then if at that setting the overall volume sounds too low, turn up the keyboard's master volume to compensate?
John
« Last Edit: May 15, 2022, 08:05:43 AM by jwyvern »
 

Offline mikf

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2022, 10:36:11 AM »
Most of the answers assumed you were referring to voices in the style - I donít know why?? - when you actually mean main rh voices. Answer is relatively simple. Adjust the mixer volumes so that rh voices are clearly heard over the accompaniment. Eg take the style volume down to about 80 and rh voice volume full up to about 120. Then adjust main volume to get actual overall volume where you want it.
If you are not getting enough overall volume, you can adjust the compressor to get a bit more punch.

Mike

Offline Ton Antheunisse

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2022, 06:34:01 AM »


Thanks a lot John and Mike, I will try as suggested !

Ton
 

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2022, 01:57:55 PM »
Dear Ton,

when I purchased Genos I immediately found that the Voices volume, was (at my personal taste and experience) too low compared to the style accompaniment volume. I had many arrangers of other brands (mainly Korg, in the last 20 years), where the volume of Voices was (again: IMHO) well balanced.

I solved easy this issue, by setting the Style volume at 70 (instead of 100, that is the default one).

Nevertheless still some voices were to low. In these cases I went into Voice Edit and increased the Voice volume as needed. then saved into OTS (this way, instead of using Registration, I may record a volume that fits perfectly to that particular style).

I must say that I'm very happy with this approach.

Ciao,

Angelo
Yamaha Genos, Clavinova Cvp309PE, Hs-8, Hammond Xm2.
Past: Farfisa Minicompact, CompactDeLuxe; Elkarapsody; Hammond L122R&Leslie142; CasioCz1000; Roland D50, E20, ProE, Juno106, JX8P, Ra90; Technics Kn800, 1000, 2000; Korg M1, i3, i30, Pa1x, Pa3x; others.
 

Offline DerekA

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2022, 04:12:10 PM »
I guess this just goes to show how individual we all are. I often end up *increasing* the style volume over 100 using the live control slider, because I think the style volume is a bit low compared to the panel voices :)
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Offline pieterpan

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2022, 06:44:03 PM »
It's a kind of common problem with midis - sound volume is very different on each midi file. I discussed it many tears ago with Michael Bedesem and he makes a solution in MixMaster to correct that. It is worth to try!!

Regards <> Piet
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Offline mikf

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2022, 10:00:31 PM »
Not sure what relevance  midi has to Tonís problem? Ö  but I strongly suspect his hearing deterioration is at the root of this. Itís not uncommon for hearing damage to affect higher frequencies more than low frequencies, which might appear to make the style sound much louder to him than the lead voices. Trouble is if he corrects it, then it will seem the opposite to other listeners ie treble voices drowning out accompaniment!
Mike
 

Offline Ton Antheunisse

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2022, 06:03:40 AM »
Hello all,

I like to thank all of you who took the time to reply to my query, I will try some of the suggestions
and a hearing aid will also be considered ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

kind regards,

Ton

 

Offline Graham UK

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2022, 09:59:47 AM »
To increase of the keyboards output.
In the EQ settings there is a GAIN control you can increase.
Next is to lower the overall style volume which will help with the Left & Right Voice volumes.
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Offline andyg

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2022, 03:00:52 PM »
Not mentioned so far but when I've had students report this problem I give them two things to look for:

1) Balance in the mixer - everything set to 100 looks pretty but is seldom right! Some styles are just too darned loud, especially 3rd party ones, so maybe 85 for those.
2) Initial Touch Response - for most keyboard playing, Soft 2 is often the best choice. If you're playing a gentle sound like an Oboe, you're unlikely to hit the keys hard, but play more gently. This is a global 'set and forget' setting, so once done, it stays that way.

I'd look at these before diving into EQ settings. However, such diving may be needed if it's your hearing that's affecting things. As for tinnitus, I think a lot of musicians suffer - especially those pros who have been playing, and therefore listening, at high sound levels during their career.
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Offline overover

Re: Volume of some of the voices
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2022, 01:57:42 PM »
Gosh. I've had my PSR S970 since 2015 and I've never heard of Touch Response. I've just used the Direct Access button followed by the Touch button and looked at a display in which Initial Touch Response was set at MEDIUM. I've changed it to SOFT2 and there is something different when I play, but I couldn't say what.

Andy. Can you explain Initial Touch Response please?

I also have a hearing problem (hole in one eardrum) and I use headphones.

Alan

Hi Alan

With the Initial Touch setting "Soft 2" you can already achieve relatively high MIDI velocity values ​​with a relatively light touch (compared to the "Medium" setting), i.e. a higher volume (except for voices that do not react to the touch strength, e.g. Organ Voices).

By the way, on newer models like the Genos, I recommend using the Initial Touch setting "Easy 2". You can basically achieve a higher volume with this, but you can still play very quietly if necessary (which is hardly possible with "Soft 2").


Best regards,
Chris
« Last Edit: June 08, 2022, 02:00:13 PM by overover »
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