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Offline ton37

Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« on: May 30, 2022, 07:49:35 AM »
I wonder? It seems that Korg has listened to the wishes of the Yammie fans, will Yamaha do the same with the 'Genos 2'?  ;) In this case: a top keyboard with 61 keys and a lot of 'Genos (1/2)' stuff .. Even in 3 sizes. :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxiQcwq_90w
« Last Edit: May 30, 2022, 10:17:33 AM by ton37 »
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Ton
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Offline Enildo

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2022, 12:49:44 PM »
We are not sure if this video is real. It seems more speculation. But a lot of people would like a version of Genos with 61 keys.
When word fail, Music speaks!
 

Offline RoyB

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2022, 01:29:31 PM »
Seems to be genuine. Here is a more recent video showing an actual PA5X keyboard (could be a pre-production model):-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNC31vrjzs


Widely leaked that it is to be offered with 3 keyboard size options (61, 76 and 88 hammer action).

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Roy
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Offline Fred Smith

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2022, 02:32:55 PM »
We are not sure if this video is real. It seems more speculation. But a lot of people would like a version of Genos with 61 keys.

If you want a 61-key Genos, buy a PSR.

Cheers,
Fred
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Sun Lakes, AZ
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Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2022, 02:54:42 PM »
If you want a 61-key Genos, buy a PSR.

Cheers,
Fred

The PSR doesn’t have Revo drums!, doesn’t have SA2 voices, etc.
 

Offline mikf

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2022, 05:03:38 PM »
...... a lot of people would like a version of Genos with 61 keys.
Don't think this statement is supported by the evidence. Most buyers like the extra keys, and at worst they see no disadvantage in extra keys. Realistically, why would anyone opt for less keys on a $4000 keyboard unless there was a big cost saving - which there won't be.
Yes there could be a few isolated cases were someone wants all the TOTL features/ sounds, and is willing to spend the $4000 but have a size restraint. But that is never going to be a significant enough number to materially affect sales.
Mike
PS I think it much more likely that most people who SAY they want a 61 note Genos say it because they think it would be a lot cheaper - but this is deluded.
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Offline Fred Smith

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2022, 02:04:56 AM »
The PSR doesn’t have Revo drums!, doesn’t have SA2 voices, etc.

Understood, but a 61-key Genos isn't going to happen. So if your top requirement is 61 keys, your option is a PSR.

Cheers,
Fred
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Offline J. Larry

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2022, 03:14:21 AM »
“So, if your top requirement is 61 keys, your option is PSR.”  That’s exactly why I opted for the SX 900----smaller, lighter, and sounds great.  I doubt seriously that a Genos would improve my playing, although it would be nice to own.  However, I play half my gigs on guitar, with backing tracks created on the SX 900.  Works great, playing wav files from a tablet.
 

Offline ton37

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2022, 07:41:58 AM »
I notice in some answers that people like to try to put themselves in the shoes of Yamaha's management and respond from there. That's a 'producer'/Yamaha perspective. Of course people know that those answers are a kind of crystal ball discussions and add little, because they /we just don't know.
My comment/post is from the consumer's perspective. That is a more realistic approach, because that is also the only thing (besides buying/not buying) you can do. Namely, put your wishes on the table and share this if necessary.
Whether yamaha then listens to it is another story.
Yamaha, as a large unapproachable company, decides for itself what is good for the market and the consumer follows that obediently. As long as that approach works for them, business is fine. At the end of that process, the consumer gets to decide for himself whether A. to buy that product… or B. not. (Happy luxury decisions) ;) Yamaha wants of course 'A' and does his very best to seduce us.. (hopefully?)  :)
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline stephenm52

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2022, 11:44:17 AM »
Understood, but a 61-key Genos isn't going to happen. So if your top requirement is 61 keys, your option is a PSR.

Cheers,
Fred

I agree. I prefer 76 keys and if I have a small gig in a home for instance I use the SX900. Usually all the audience knows is they like what they hear.
GENOS, SX900, DGX670, Clavinova CVP 307, Korg Pa4x

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Offline ton37

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2022, 07:57:48 PM »
Mmm. just found, looks like some nice, desired Genos 2 features implemented in the Korg .. ???  ::)
Just for your info... (if not interested: just skip)  ;)
http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/505920/Korg_Pa5x#Post505920
« Last Edit: June 14, 2022, 08:25:49 PM by ton37 »
My best regards,
Ton
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Former KB:Technics Sx-Kn7000, Tyros 5/76, Genos, S770, S975.
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2022, 08:46:35 PM »
I decided that I would not have a 76 keys Tyros 5, and was so happy when I found my 61 keys T5. Then I eventually got my Genos, and discovered that it is just a tad longer than the T5, but thinner and lighter too. After playing the Genos for some time I came to appreciate the extra  keys.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLVwWdb36Yd3LMBjAnm6pTQ?view_as=subscriber



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Offline Francesco Massa

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2022, 08:37:38 AM »
Mmm. just found, looks like some nice, desired Genos 2 features implemented in the Korg .. ???  ::)
Just for your info... (if not interested: just skip)  ;)
http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/505920/Korg_Pa5x#Post505920

For me, the mastering functions, the guitar effect rack and 8 GB of expansion memory are very interesting.
160 sounds polyphony is not impressive if you consider the usage of 24 oscillators, but using just a few oscillators is great. About this, I consider Genos more "proportionate" (8 oscillators but with a "combined" polyphony of 128+128 sounds with user samples).
About the other features, we'll wait for official demos... extremely curious to hear what Korg has produced!

Francesco
Genos
Previously owned: PSR-740, Tyros2, Tyros3, Tyros4 & Tyros5
 
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Offline mikf

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2022, 10:44:13 AM »
Re polyphony I don’t think the the technical data matters much because both keyboards have more than enough capability for 95% plus of buyers to never see any issue with polyphony. So it’s not a design feature that is likely to drive a buying decision between these two products for most players.
Mike
 
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Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2022, 05:50:23 AM »
 

Offline ton37

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2022, 06:38:07 AM »
And a 61 model for 4299 euro... interesting and very curious hoe it sounds. Esp. how the sliders and pads are gonna working ... c'mon Yamaha... waiting for your answer asap ;-)
« Last Edit: June 26, 2022, 06:48:26 AM by ton37 »
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Ton
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2022, 07:20:32 AM »
There will be an 88 keys model :O
88, 76 and 61.
Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2022, 06:15:28 PM »
Hey Ton :

Thank you for your feedback.
Prices are list prices, I guess.

Street prices might be available when the new Korg high end models PA5X will be available on the market, IMHO.
Lead times are not known yet, right ?

On June 30, 2022 you will see and hear the real new PA5X, they say.

Hard to believe Yamaha's answer will come soon.
Maybe in 2024 ? Who knows ...

Take care, JH
 

Offline PhotoDoc05

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2022, 03:03:07 PM »
Just ran across this comparison video of Genos vs PA4x from Kris Nicholson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1y0KcQNYg

Kris is just an awesome player, kind of funny when he "runs out of keys" on the Genos!! LOL
Looks like he's using Full Keyboard mode, and does his own accompaniment, makes them sound epic.

Jerry
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Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2022, 09:32:54 PM »
Korg Pa5x https://youtu.be/PBUkjLb3O5w (video in Spanish)
 
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Offline ton37

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2022, 02:51:58 PM »
As I mentioned earlier, it seems that Korg has listened to the wishes of the Yammies??  >:( Flip-out screen, a 61-key version, external storage and file handling, lots of pads, etc. etc. Very interesting! I hope Yamaha engineers and designers aren't taken by surprise and have to go back to the drawing board to 'exceed' this  :D. That would take a lot of time for Genos 2!
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline pmahl

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2022, 07:43:25 AM »
For all who are interested - here is a sound demo of the new Korg PA5X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

Peter
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2022, 08:31:25 AM »
Cheers 🥂
GJ
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but by how many you brought with you." (Wil Rose)
 

Offline mixermixer

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2022, 01:59:36 PM »
Looks like they did it, 61 keys is here to stay on KORG land. 88 keys is a surprise but then again, KORG does not have a Clavinova CVP alternative so this may be their answer.
 

Offline Enildo

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2022, 12:40:51 AM »
For all who are interested - here is a sound demo of the new Korg PA5X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

Peter

Alois Müller is a great musician! He has great versatility and an excellent command of the instrument.
Congratulations!

Enildo
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Offline ton37

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2022, 11:24:43 AM »
I agree, waiting for more vids from Alois. The one's he had done already shows (for me) that Korg had made a top-end keyboard!! The soundquality is top, allthought I have to hear it myself in the shop. Only listening on the internet is not fair, as there are very many variables that has influence on the 'sound you hear'.
Thanks for the link...
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline pjd

Re: Korg Pa5x vs. "Genos 2 -61"
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2022, 12:47:12 AM »
I liked the official Korg demo with Luciano. If you want to skip the initial talking, skip to the 7:00 mark.

Here are a few features I like:

* Fatar keybed actions
* Style crossfade (a way to get more contrast between A, B, bridge sections)
* Smooth Sound Transition (SST)
* Multi-purpose pads with assignable control functions
* Separate guitar input (high impedance)
* No banks and a way to group performance-related entities
* Round-robin drums
* Sampling and a built-in sample editor!
* New natural-sounding acoustic instruments (trumpet, violin)
* New instruments from Nautilus and SV2 especially that Wurli EP

If I heard it right, Korg ditched TC Electronic vocal processing. Now teaming with Shift Audio. [Gotta learn more about this.]

The user interface (UI) looks kind of busy. The Yamaha UI is cleaner. Can't tell about workflow...

Listening to the piano and other instrument demos, I wonder how much EQ they laid on when recording. It would be better to hear the actual instrument in person, but Korg is horrible at providing store demo arrangers in the USA.

Well, that's my quick reaction -- pj
 
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