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Offline vadesriux

SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« on: November 09, 2021, 11:55:45 AM »
This may come to some of you as a shock. But read on and you'll understand.

First of all I want to share my two weeks experience with the SX900. It trully is a great keyboard for its price. The sounds are very good, the styles are very well made, the interface is top notch in its simplicity and ease of use (same as GENOS), and the Vocal Harmony / Vocoder has great sound quality. Also the keybed is absolutelly wonderful in playing, sensitivity and touch. Overall a very good keyboard from Yamaha. A 9 out of 10 stars.

I have also have had a GENOS in 2018/2019 which unfortunately I had to sell for financial reasons. At the time I remember I composed the highest number of songs since owning my first Roland D-20 back in 1992. And I never forgot the pristine quality of its sound. The quality was incredible and even more when you reached for another keyboard and listened to it compared to GENOS.

So what is the reason for this post? Well, I can share with you guys (to me) the biggest difference between the 900 and the GENOS, besides the price, of course. It is the sound definition. What do I mean ? Trully great as the SX900 sounds, the GENOS can sound even better: 1) when playing a style the bass and all other sounds that compose the style are totally separated and distinct from each other. The 900 doesnt manage to achieve this "separation" between justaposing sounds as GENOS does; 2) the voices (presets) sound quality are even higher than on the 900. A disavantage: you have to buy the speakers separately, which will cost even more.

So I bought the instrument which was more "close" as possible to the GENOS. My goal is to work with it, and compose music until the day I have the chance again to buy a Genos.

You can say: but if you only had to spend half the price of a Genos, and you have almost everything the Genos offer, why even bother ? Well... the answer is: take a listen and play on a Genos and you'll know why right away.

So all and all, at this moment in time I am really thankful I could buy a SX900 (which is also not cheap: many folks only can afford a SX600 and many not even that) and look forward to compose and play with it for quite a while. Thanks for reading.

Eduardo (from Portugal)

 
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Offline Toril S

Re: SX900: very good - Hope of a GENOS: stellar
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2021, 03:28:05 PM »
I feel the same as you. Nothing can beat the Genos!!
Toril S

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and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2021, 02:04:03 PM »
Hi :

Wished I had ordered a new Genos instead of a new SX900 early this year. :-X

The SX900 is nice but ... the Genos is superb.
The Genos is the best arranger keyboard on the market, ever.

Nowadays the Genos' delivery delay = approx. 8 - 10 weeks and the price has been increased by 10%, I guess.

The Genos is ( almost ) 4 years old now.

Wished I knew Yamaha's future plans.
A Genos' successor will not come in 2022, IMHO ... IF ... it ever comes.
That is the question. Wait and see.

It is what it is and in the meantime I am enjoying my SX900. :)

Best regards, JH
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Offline vadesriux

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2021, 02:56:13 PM »
Hi Jeff.

Didn't know you were on the same boat as I am  :D

In fact, as I wrote and many here can confirm, the SX900 is a great machine and - literally - half, or less than half (now) the price of a Genos.

What you gain with Genos: a 6 octave (even better) aftertouch and semi-weighted keybed (very handy with more keys available on your left hand, without having to change the split point), a top of the line Hifi sound quality and a bigger 9" LCD screen.

What you loose: no built-in speakers, specific function buttons for styles and voices, and more "reacheable" 1st, 2nd and 3rd voice buttons (in Genos they were thrown to the far right side), and weight (although only for 1,5kg).

Are these features worth (more than) twice the price ?... The price at Thomann is now 3780 when in Portugal you could buy it for 3100 two weeks ago. But I could not possibly spend 3000 at this time of my life.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2021, 02:58:09 PM by vadesriux »
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2021, 04:17:15 PM »
As I said : I made the wrong choice. No financial problems at all.  8)


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Offline EileenL

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2021, 05:20:21 PM »
I always go for the flag ship as you know it is going to be the best Yamaha can make it. I also have an SX900 and although it is very good it is not Genos.

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2021, 06:00:50 PM »
I agree, Eileen.

There is no better arranger keyboard than the Genos. :)

Now it is too late to change.
I have to go on with my SX900.

Cheers,

JH
 

Offline PierreSW

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2021, 09:17:21 AM »
Speaking of prices, here is the
Swedish Yamaha's website prices 2021-11 / 11
You get less and less for your money
YAMAHA Genos, YAMAHA MFC10, Bose L1 II-pa,Mixer T1 ToneMatch, ZUM STEEL.
 

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2021, 09:19:45 AM »
How much is a Swedish kr in Euro or in US Dollar ?
 

Offline PierreSW

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2021, 09:28:52 AM »
Here are the exchange rates
YAMAHA Genos, YAMAHA MFC10, Bose L1 II-pa,Mixer T1 ToneMatch, ZUM STEEL.
 
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Offline vadesriux

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2021, 04:03:52 PM »
Today morning I heard the 12 songs I composed back in 2018 when I had a Genos. Wow... The quality of the recordings (.wav) is simply amazing. Even the styles are miles ahead in quality and sound fidelity compared to the SX900.

In the end I come to the conclusion that the Big price difference is not only in the extra features (keybed, extra voices, etc.), but mainly in sound quality. It is impressive when a manufacturer produces such a masterpiece. Equal to a Porsche 911 or Mclaren F1 road car in the automotive industry. No wonder the steep price for we are talking about the best of the best a brand can produce.

Now back to reality  :D  and to using the 900 which is very good in itself. The advantage is when comes the time I can afford a Genos again, all my compositions will translate almost seamlessly to the Genos. And the interface is the same!

« Last Edit: November 11, 2021, 04:07:29 PM by vadesriux »
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2021, 11:06:40 PM »

Your words confirm the Genos is the best arranger keyboard ever made.  I wonder what its successor will bring ... IF... it ever comes.

Best regards,
JH
 

Offline vadesriux

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2021, 11:44:04 PM »
Even if no sucessor to Genos comes in the near future, from Yamaha, this is a flagship instrument that will last many many years as a reference in sound.

We have Korg PA4x with superb sound also but the big difference comes with Genos interface which is a masterpiece in simplicity and ease of use. Korg is far too complicated compared, and because of that, worse if you simply want to compose songs. Fair to say its sound quality is also a reference in itself.

And finally we have Roland Fantom (new one) with super sound also, but not an arranger. I myself always loved Yamaha instruments. They are made by really professional guys in Japan with a sense of making the best musical instruments in the world. But yes Korg and Roland are also very good.
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Offline bobn1944

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2021, 05:19:15 AM »
If you can buy a Genos for twice the price of an SX900 you are lucky.
Out here in Thailand the Genos is very nearly four times the price of an SX900.
SX900 50,900 Thai baht.
Genos 195,000 Thai baht.

Offline vadesriux

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2021, 09:51:15 AM »
There's a huge discrepancy in prices all over the world related to keyboards. It shoudn't be that way but it may be related to import fees each country applies to these items. In the end it is the consumer, us, that ultimately pays these (huge) price differences. I am certain that Yamaha didn't want their flagship to sell at outrageous prices (it will sell less that way, of course) but country policies certainly lead to this. And we can't rule out speculation in prices also... and not only because of Covid.



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Offline bobn1944

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2021, 02:49:59 AM »
vadesriux
Yes you are correct regarding the discrepancies of prices in different countries. With regard to Yamaha keyboard prices I don't think
the import duty here in Thailand is too much compared to other imports, for instance German cars & wine there is a huge import tax of 300/400%.
At the current exchange rate an SX900 would be about 1200 GBP & the Genos about 4500 GBP. I do know for instance prices of keyboards are much cheaper in Bali, Indonesia.
 

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2021, 05:37:05 AM »
It looks like Indonesia could become the Yamaha Promised Price High End Arranger Keyboard Land for us, Europeans.😂 😛

I wonder what the European additional import and transport costs are if we should decide to buy there from a local dealer ?
Perhaps our Dutch friend Dick can give us the answer.
He lives there for many years now.👮

Wishful thinking and probably very risky, I guess.🤭

Best regards,  JH
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Offline bobn1944

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2021, 06:31:03 AM »
Hi Jeff
I think 1200GBP is a fair price in Thailand, comparable with UK prices I believe. Indonesia would be a cheaper price but Thai import duty would be too high.
As you said, wishful thinking.

Cheers
Bob
 

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2021, 10:02:40 AM »
Our consumer prices are comparable to the UK prices.

The UK is no longer a member of our lovely EU.😥

Best wishes, JH
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Offline EileenL

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2021, 12:09:39 PM »
Nothing Lovely about the EU Jeff that is why we wanted to leave in the first place.
The SX 900 when it first came out here Was just under 2000 but you could shop around and get it a little less.

Offline Joe H

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2021, 03:44:01 PM »
... when playing a style the bass and all other sounds that compose the style are totally separated and distinct from each other. The 900 doesnt manage to achieve this "separation" between justaposing sounds as GENOS does..,

Maybe the Genos has better samples, so that is the case.

Sound separation can be achieved on lesser keyboards than the sx900 also.  It is all in the "Mix" of Voices. What I mean is that if we select Voices that compliment one another or are different in sound/tenor from each other, they will stand out or have the ''separation" as you describe.

I have achieved this many times with my S910 and S970 arrangers.

Joe H
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2021, 04:14:42 PM »
Hi Eileen  :

I only wanted to say I feel very sorry our best friend, the UK,
left the EU.
It hurts.
We, Dutchmen, are missing you, Guys !😰

Best wishes, JH
 

Offline vadesriux

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2021, 09:24:24 PM »
You're right Joe. You can achieve justaposing sounds separation on a keyboard if you tweak with sound EQ, pans and volumes but if you have a good ear and you hear a Genos recording and a  SX900 recording (same song with same voices) you will see what I meant with my post. But again not everyone will be able to perceive this. I am.
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Offline ton37

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2021, 08:37:51 AM »
I'm glad that in this forum the music is the connecting factor and not the politics. Let's keep it that way!  ;) 8)
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: SX900: very good - GENOS: stellar
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2021, 09:35:33 AM »
Hi Ton,

Would like to send you a private message. :)
I prefer to send you an e-mail, if possible, but I do not have your private e-mail address, sorry.

Best regards from Steenbergn ( NB ), JH
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