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Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« on: July 14, 2021, 10:42:11 AM »
I’m just following up with it. I see it’s taking them awhile. I believe there putting a lot more features. IMO. I’m just curious 🧐
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2021, 07:36:26 PM »
Every time I search it I only see the E463. I’m guessing it’s in development at this point.
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2021, 01:53:10 AM »
Hi guys back to this topic for the e473 here’s a video from Gearfacts https://youtu.be/4HsXp848WZo
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2021, 03:28:00 AM »
Based on this infomation we cab guess/predict when it might be released. PSR-E203 (15 November 2004)
PSR-E213 (11 October 2006)
PSR-E223 (30 June 2008)
PSR-E233 (26 August 2010)
PSR-E243 (28 June 2012)
PSR-E253 (1 January 2014)
PSR-E263 (29 March 2016)
PSR-E273 (1 January 2020)
PSR-E303 (15 November 2004)
PSR-E313 (21 August 2006)
PSR-E323 (30 June 2008)
PSR-E333 (6 August 2010)
PSR-E343 (28 June 2012)
PSR-E353 (29 September 2014)
PSR-E363 (31 August 2016)
PSR-E373 (26 February 2020)
PSR-E403 (17 November 2005)
PSR-E413 (10 October 2007)
PSR-E423 (1 May 2009, with touch response)
PSR-E433 (28 December 2011)
PSR-E443 (2 September 2013)
PSR-E453 / PSR-EW400 (17 September 2015, Stadium Rock is first style, SurfRock, BeachRock, CanadianRock, ChartPianoPop, 70sRock added in 8Beat, New Style Collection is Movie & Show and 38 styles including WildWest, Showtune and TapDanceSwing, etc. in Movie & Show and Another Style collection is Entertainer and 34 styles in Entertainer)
PSR-E463 / PSR-EW410 (17 April 2017, 758 high quality voices with 1 sample voice for sampling, 235 styles, 30 built in songs, 10 user songs, 8 banks with 4 registrations, and groove generator) The EW410 offers 76 keys and features phono jacks for connecting external powered speakers. The E463 has 61 keys.
 
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Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2021, 04:36:02 AM »
I'm not so sure about those dates above -- they seem to be about a year early for the PSR-E400 series, at least for the more recent ones.  I recall the PSR-E433 being released in 2012, the E443 in 2014, the E453 in 2016, and the E463 in 2018 -- unless countries outside the US got these models earlier.

But otherwise, these keyboards have been released like clockwork, every 2 years.  So, we would have expected the E473 last year, in 2020.  Okay, so Covid-19 has caused delays, but it's now well into 2021, and still nothing.  It seems like the cel phone companies seem to get their new models out, no matter what.  What's taking Yamaha so long with the E473?  I was hoping maybe something would've come out at the Summer NAMM show, but nope.  Not even a press release.

The video linked above is interesting, but just speculation.  I could speculate that it will have a thousand voices, 256 note polyphony, and 128 registrations -- but it would all be wishful thinking.  I'd like to see some real manufacturer information about this model at some point!
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433, Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2021, 06:13:45 AM »
Yes I totally Agree. We will see whenever yamaha brings it out. what it would actully look like.
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2021, 09:38:23 PM »
One thing I hope that they do is add two more knobs to make it look more advanced. And fun 🤩
 


Offline pjd

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2021, 06:55:22 PM »
Okay, so Covid-19 has caused delays, but it's now well into 2021, and still nothing.

Hi Bob --

I started speculating about all of this myself. The only thing I could conclude -- the E473 sound set will probably be a superset of the E373 (which was a nice upgrade at that price point).

COVID-related supply chain and shipping problems continue. I live near Puget Sound and the Seattle, Tacoma and Everett ports are chockfull of container ships. The ships are literally parked in the sound and are making so much noise at idle that nearby residents are complaining about the noise at night!

Another factor is the fire at the Asahi Kasei (AKM) semiconductor plant. The AKM plant made the digital-to-analog converters (DACs) and ADCs for Yamaha and many other vendors. This was the only AKM plant making DACs and ADCs. The Japanese police and fire authorities have only recently allowed AKM to begin clean-up. AKM has tried to shift production elsewhere as a stop-gap.

Many Yamaha digital musical instruments use AKM components, including E4xx models. Folks at YamahaSynth are complaining about delays and product unavailability, too.

Seems like a bad time to launch a new product and create demand that cannot be fulfilled...

Watch, Yamaha will make a monkey of me and announce it tomorrow.  :)

-- pj
 
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Offline pjd

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2021, 07:07:02 PM »
Sooooooooo, let's really speculate:)

I saw some recent import/export data between India and Japan. The Yamaha PSS series is manufactured in India at Yamaha's Chennai OneHub plant. The number of export units is consistent with a shipping product (1000s of units). In addition to PSS, the Chennai plant manufactures the I500 for the Indian market.

Lo and behold, in the midst of PSS models, there are a few small shipments of PSR-E473. By "small," I mean 15 total units -- maybe prototypes, maybe pre-announcement demo units. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Here's a totally wild speculation -- the 76 key sister will be called "PSR-EW425".

Well, now I've put my foot in it -- pj   :)

P.S. At least we'll see how fast Internet rumors travel.  ::)  I deny everything.

Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2021, 08:04:30 PM »
Yes, you are correct about the shipping delays.  I have read about the closed plants and chip shortages, and yes, this is all even affecting the production of the ever-important and "all mighty" smartphone.

But what you're saying about the 15 PSR-E473s is starting to get interesting.  Even if we don't get the product for a little while, it will be nice to at least see some specs soon.

I would've thought that the sister 76-key unit would be called the PSR-EW420, but who knows?  Why did Yamaha skip over PSR-A4000 to call their new Asian-based keyboard the PSR-A5000?  Who knows why Yamaha numbers products the way they do?  In fact, why do the PSR-E series keyboards (not the EW) all end with a 3?  What does that mean?
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433, Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2021, 11:44:52 PM »
Good point too. And if Yamaha already made a few Psr e473’s they should release pictures to see what it looks like. I’m pretty sure it already exists but Yamaha hasn’t released pictures of it yet.
 

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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2021, 05:49:12 PM »
Good point too. And if Yamaha already made a few Psr e473’s they should release pictures to see what it looks like. I’m pretty sure it already exists but Yamaha hasn’t released pictures of it yet.

Hi --

Yamaha (or any other manufacturer) never release pictures until the actual product launch. If customers know that a new replacement product is on the way, it would kill sales of the current product. Distributors and retail stores have inventory to sell off and Yamaha doesn't want to make them angry.

Sad to say, but that's the way it is -- pj

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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2021, 06:05:44 PM »
Based on all replies I found this Picture of the EW425

That's a nice find! Thank you! I found the original source, too, and I think this picture is legit.

Specs, of course, are completely unknown. It looks like they redesigned the front panel. My first thought was "That's looks quite professional," not just a home keyboard. The live control knobs are re-located to the upper left. That decision will be controversial! The lighted buttons look nice (light blue color) and the screen is black and white monochrome. Still only four registrations per bank.

The keypad to the right has been significantly redesigned. It selects voices and styles by category.

Well, who knows? Yamaha has been so slow to roll out the new models; they might have changed everything by now.

BTW, OneHub Chennai is the newest Yamaha factory, so there may be manufacturing and test set-up delays as well as supply chain delays due to the AKM fire.

Speculate away!!!  :D

Thanks, again -- pj

[Update: Apparently, Yamaha are peeved. I have self-censored this message.]
« Last Edit: September 01, 2021, 10:36:52 PM by pjd »
 
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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2021, 08:56:13 PM »
Very nice find!  Yep, I also notice that there are still 4 registration buttons per bank.  The question is, did they increase the number of banks?  At least using "0" and "9" for bank numbers?

I also saw those relocated live-control knobs.  Not sure how I feel about that, but I'm leaning toward a thumbs down.  On the one hand (pun not intended), I can see how the new location makes it easier to use your right hand to make adjustments while holding down left-hand chords (or playing anything with your left hand).  But sometimes, I actually use some of my left hand fingers to reach over and tweak the knobs to change the sound while still holding down some keys with other fingers on my left hand (generally using one finger to rub against the side of the knob and move the knob while moving my finger).  This will not be possible with this new set-up.  Admittedly, I do not do this too much.

As for now using sound categories to select sounds, I realize that's how all the "big boys" do it, but I've always liked being able to just punch in a number to get to a particular sound.  And in either case, all of the similar sounds are grouped together, so once you're in a particular group, you can just step through the sounds one by one if you're searching for a particular sound.  However, I wonder if the "panel voices" and XG-Lite voices will all be grouped together, by category, now?  Then again, as I took another look at the photo, I see that each of those category buttons have a white square block next to them, and that there is also a button labeled "enter".  Maybe these category buttons can also be numeric buttons, as well.  That would be the best of both worlds!

I do also see that it appears that the style control and sequencer appear to have the same number of buttons as before, so there may not be much change there.  But then again, there is a big white button to the left of what I believe are the style control buttons.  If that big white button is a style start/stop button, then that would be a 7th button, and would imply an extra button.  Maybe a dedicated fill-in button that doesn't change the A/B pattern?  That would be nice!
« Last Edit: August 16, 2021, 09:35:29 PM by SciNote »
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Current: Yamaha PSR-E433, Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 

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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2021, 10:47:22 PM »
Looking at the picture, again, Yamaha did majorly swizzle around a bunch of front panel controls with respect to the E463.

The quadrant to the right of the display has a 3x4 button matrix for voice and style categories. The buttons above the data wheel control selection mode: voice and style. I wonder if one of the mode buttons turns the matrix into a numeric keypad? The FUNCTION and PORTABLE GRAND buttons are below the matrix.

The control groups running above the keyboard are (left to right): master volume, SONG/STYLE control, TRACK control, registration memory, and quick sampling.

Quick sampling got more real estate. Quick sampling has several buttons: LOOP HOLD, A, B, C, D, and CAPTURE. I wonder if it's possible to capture four waveforms? Did Yamaha re-think sample control including sample zones? Do the lighted A, B, C, D buttons reflect sample status like a pad controller? Can we play the pads? Are they velocity sensitive?

The live control knobs are further away from the keyboard in the quadrant to the left of the display. I can't tell if there is an additional row or not. E463 has five live control rows; EW425 has 6 or 7?

The rest of the buttons in the upper left quadrant must be record, metronome, tap tempo, melody suppressor, voice control and all that miscellaneous stuff. I can't make out any of the legends.

Yamaha is still using an LCD with pre-defined, fixed legends. Do they really save that much money versus a full graphic, pixel addressable display? What do I know?  :-\ Probably simplifies the software, but it seems so 90s.

Should be interesting finally to see the specs, not just guess.  :o

All the best -- pj

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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2021, 07:45:08 AM »
Yes exactly. And I’m excited to at least see what the new models will look like. I still not sure if they added a voice Demo Button. Because to my knowledge if Yamaha added a voice demo button it would allow players to hear a demo of the selected voice.😎😁
 

Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2021, 10:32:00 AM »
A few more thoughts...

Where the style control section is, it does look like the right-most button is labeled start/stop, so I don't know what that big white buttons is to the left of the style controls.  But if there are only six style control buttons, then I'm thinking we're still not getting a dedicated drum-fill button.

There appears to be 7 lines of text by the live-control knobs, so that implies quite a bit more functionality for those controls.  Unless they got rid of the "destination" control -- where you'd select whether you want to modify the voices or the style, and then some of the knob features (filter, reverb, chorus, etc.) would modify the sound destination (voices or style) you select.  Maybe they incorporated all of that functionality into direct selections of the main knob-assign button, instead of having a separate destination mode button.

What do you suppose that button is right above the "D" button of the quick-sampling pads?  It looks like it's labeled "alpha boost" or "mega boost" or something like that.

As I think about it more, I really hope they did not completely ditch the numeric keypad, because that will make it more inconvenient to select registration banks.  Right now, we can quickly push the bank select button, then a numeric key, to get to a whole new bank of sounds in just 2 key-strokes -- something that is quite handy if you want to do this while playing a song.  If we now have to hit the bank select button, then carefully turn the data wheel or repeatedly hit a plus or minus button to get to the bank we want, then that is a step backwards.

And I agree that a manufacturer won't want to give away too much information on an upcoming model while retailers still have the old model in stock, but this case is a little different.  People who just want to buy a relatively inexpensive keyboard for themselves or their kid probably aren't following the progression and introduction of new models that closely and will just buy whatever sounds good at a good price.  But the people who do follow the progression of the models, like us, know very well that Yamaha is quite overdue for the replacement to the E463 and EW410, so I would guess that many of us who would be in the market have been waiting to learn more about the new models before purchasing, anyway.  So, what will happen is what always happens -- the older models get discounted, giving people an incentive to buy the older model if they don't really need all the features of the new model, which will be considerably more expensive.

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Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2021, 06:04:13 PM »
I agree too. And since I found a more believable picture I see it gaining attention. Which means we know that The PSR-E473/EW425 are on the way. I’ll be excited to test them out.
 

Offline pjd

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2021, 06:36:14 PM »
but this case is a little different. 

I mean this somewhat humorously, but that's a little too nuanced for marketing managers, store owners and lawyers.  :) I expect the dealership agreement to cover old inventory in the face of a new product launch. Likely, there are dealer givebacks, etc. and Yamaha eats the price cut. Yamaha also has other tools like Sales Promotion Incentive Fund (SPIF) to move selected inventory. The lawyers probably have everything locked up!  ::)

If Yamaha can settle supply chain issues, we might hear soon. They wouldn't want to miss the holiday selling season.

Thanks for all the comments -- pj

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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2021, 06:23:32 AM »
Sooooooooo, let's really speculate:)

I saw some recent import/export data between India and Japan. The Yamaha PSS series is manufactured in India at Yamaha's Chennai OneHub plant. The number of export units is consistent with a shipping product (1000s of units). In addition to PSS, the Chennai plant manufactures the I500 for the Indian market.

Lo and behold, in the midst of PSS models, there are a few small shipments of PSR-E473. By "small," I mean 15 total units -- maybe prototypes, maybe pre-announcement demo units. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Here's a totally wild speculation -- the 76 key sister will be called "PSR-EW425".

Well, now I've put my foot in it -- pj   :)

P.S. At least we'll see how fast Internet rumors travel.  ::)  I deny everything.
Hi PJ,

I am dead curious. Where on Earth did you find this information?

I find this very strange that Keyboardmaster brings back this topic of the E473/EW425, that at the same time you mention this import/export data (whatever this means) and that Keyboardmaster finds so conveniently a leaked picture of the EW425.

Hi guys, doesn’t all this remind you of the launching of the Genos?

I bet that there are malicious people out there at Yamaha’s Sales department and that whatever leaks appears, is totally intentional and programmed.

As for the launching year, I think that the main reason for the delay is the launch of the E373/EW310. Yamaha wants to sell as many of these before launching the E473/EW325. Well I was myself tempted of buying one unit, which I certainly won’t do if the launch of the E473 is programmed…

Did I hear somebody say “Winter NAMM”…?

Or “Christmas” maybe…?  ;D

Well you see the line…

Happy speculation everyone  8)

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline vbdx66

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2021, 06:40:02 AM »
Another comment in passing:

Of course the screen is still an old-fashioned one. A modern graphic screen would throw a shadow on the PSR SX600.

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline pjd

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2021, 06:32:08 PM »
Hello Vinciane --

The source is definitely not Yamaha itself. I honestly don't buy into the "Yamaha leaks" conspiracy theory. They are the most secretive company on Earth (well, maybe not as secretive as Sony...  :) ) Leaks create too much disinformation that they need to counter. When they launch, they launch.

I'm still going with supply chain problems (AKM chip shortage) and production ramp up at the new Chennai plant.

Yamaha's entry-level is the Classic 3 tier "marketing sandwich". Low end for the price conscious, high end for the feature nuts (errrr, enthusiasts) and a middle for those who want to feel "just right." Yamaha usually rolls out the high end first since that offering usually has the widest profit margin.

If Yamaha rolls out the middle before the high end, they cut into high end, higher margin sales.

I'll be curious to see the date on the MIDI implementation chart. That usually gives a clue to the actual development freeze date.

Hope you're doing well and good to hear from ya -- pj
 
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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2021, 11:37:22 PM »
I agree too. I know once launched it becomes a fast seller. But after it launches Yamaha will probably lower the price of the remaining e463s and ew410s. Now that a picture leaked this means that Yamaha will launch it very possibley by next month.

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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2021, 07:42:45 PM »
Oh wow I didn’t know that. Thanks for the reminder.

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2021, 10:33:18 PM »
Hi everyone back to this topic. Any news from  Yamaha yet I’m still following up for the new Psr e473/ew425
 

Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2021, 05:56:44 AM »
None that I know of.  Still looks like they're dragging their feet against the ground hard enough to dig gorges that rival the Grand Canyon.

I'm sorry if that sounds negative, but they are a year and a half beyond when we would have expected the E473.  Yes, there have been unprecedented situations, such as Covid-19 and the fire at the chip plant.  But in my opinion, this is when Yamaha should be supporting their loyal customers by bringing us some official information, so that they would not have to get so upset about an image floating around on the internet.

Would this possibly eat into E463 sales?  Maybe, but as I've said before, I don't think it would be that dramatic.  People who are just looking for something of good quality at a good price for their kid or to learn to play keyboard themselves are not going to be overly concerned about getting the latest model.  And those of us who are familiar with Yamaha's previous product cycle and have more dedication to this product line will continue to wait to see what the E473 is like before we make a discretionary purchase for a new keyboard.

This is not unheard of in the business world.  As the launch date for the new version of a car approaches, more and more details about the new model get released or dug up and published in the automotive media.

The fact is, when it comes to keyboards like this, Yamaha is second to none.  Look at the list of my present and previously owned keyboards, and you can see that I am no stranger to Yamaha keyboards.  What is the competition?  Casio?  Good sound with lots of features, but with a user interface with a steep learning curve and (in my opinion) a very inferior keyboard feel.  In fact, I recently saw their flagship (among portable keyboards) CT-X5000 in a store, and the keyboard felt and sounded like a $50 toy (when I say "sounded", I mean the plasticy sound of the keys themselves, not the tone generation circuitry).  You could say that it was due to being a display model with dozens of people messing with it over time, but I don't see that kind of key-feel degradation on the display models of Yamaha keyboards.  And I know there are similarly priced models from Roland and Korg, but I have yet to see one in person, and from what I've read, they generally don't have the sound shaping capabilities (like filter and envelope) and long list of features that the Yamaha keyboards have -- though someone correct me if I'm wrong.

So, we'll see what it is eventually.  Will it be essentially just an E463 with S.Art Lite and additional DSP effects?  If so, it will be a hard sell for me -- especially if they don't improve the keyboard feel from that of the E463.  Or, will we see some genuine innovation?
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Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2021, 08:19:47 AM »
Oh I see. I agree too. Just lots of stuff going on causing the delay. I believe it be available whithin the next few months.😎😁
 

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2021, 04:23:37 AM »
Hi everyone back on this topic once again. I’m curious if anyone has access to the data list of the upcoming psr e473/ew425. So we can see the Voice and style list.
 

Offline Piano Tone

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2021, 08:03:12 PM »
Hoping to see the 473/425 released soon; I'm holding off on the purchase of a Korg EK-50 in hopes of full keyboard chord detection (so surprised that's not included on the existing models) and hopefully less menu deep diving for common settings like on the 373/310/463/410.   

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2021, 07:20:25 AM »
Me Too. I have a feeling any day now.
 

Offline Piano Tone

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2021, 06:23:54 PM »
I wish I had checked this thread when the picture in question was up . . . I missed it lol

Offline Piano Tone

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2021, 09:59:06 PM »
Ok, Yamaha - times up.  My Korg EK-50 is on the way.  (I highly doubt that the 473/425 would have had full keyboard chord recognition as well as vastly reduced menu deep diving anyways . . . (of course this means it will be announced in days and will . . . ;)

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2021, 07:46:04 AM »
Agreed. And It/s November Now so Any day Yamaha should Launch them. ;)
 

Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2021, 08:48:44 PM »
I'm thinking that, since it is November and we still don't have the E473/EW425 yet, that we won't see them until the spring.  Usually, I remember new models coming out around October or earlier to sell in quantity in time for the Christmas season.

Piano Tone, let us know how your Korg is, especially in terms of sound creation and manipulation, such as filter, envelope generator, and DSP effects.  I know this is a Yamaha forum, but when Yamaha just jams the brakes for new product development in this category, won't give us any updates or details about the upcoming product, and gets bent out of shape about one photo floating on the Internet, then maybe it is time to start considering alternatives for the future.  I would prefer to stay with Yamaha, as they have produced great products.  But as my current keyboard is getting kind of old, I know I may need to replace it someday, and the existing line-up just doesn't excite me that much, unless I spend much more money for an EX600.

We understand that there is a lot going on right now, with the pandemic, shipping delays, and the fire at the microchip plant.  But this would be a great opportunity for Yamaha to support it's loyal customers by providing some information on the upcoming products -- because of these delays -- so that we can know what to do for the future.  Maybe this would cost Yamaha some lost sales in the current model line, but considering all of the other arrangers, synths, and pianos they make, not to mention all of the other types of musical instruments -- and let's not forget about the motorcycles and related products -- this would be a very small part of their overall revenue.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433, Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 
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Offline Toril S

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2021, 12:22:30 AM »
When Korg keyboards can be on this forum, Yamaha mtorbikes can too😀😀😀🎹🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🚔
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline tbaroghel

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2021, 04:12:03 PM »
I did have a Korg EK-50 for a few weeks and returned it to Thomann in favor of my PSR.

I was very happy with the price, the keybed, the sounds, the effects, the amp  and the styles !

I was very disappointed though with style management (the lack of it, to be honest) as their USB stick method is completely medieval. You want to spend time playing, not managing files transfer.

Above all, the lack of a user community like this very forum was instrumental (I like this word given the context) in my decision.

As for a second keyboard (for the holiday/weekend house in Normandy), I will consider the 473 when it is out, but also the MEDELI AKX-10. Here is hoping both hit the market soon.

Thierry

Humbly returning to arrangers after many years, with a PSR-SX900
 

Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2021, 07:02:46 AM »
Yeah, I took a closer look at the online manual for that EK-50.  At first glance, it doesn't really look like it has much when you look at the control panel.  But there is a lot of good stuff there: the ability to layer 3 voices on the right side of the keyboard, roughly 150 different effects (and it appears to have the ability to layer two effects at once, independently on the right and left sides of a split keyboard), as well as hundreds of sounds and styles.

But there are some questions that either were not answered in the manual, or I just did not look deep enough to find those answers.  For example, you can layer 3 sounds on the right hand side, but can you adjust the volume of each sound independently?  And I saw where you can change the octave of the sound, but again, can the octave be set for each of the 3 layered sounds independently?  If not, then this is a serious shortcoming.  The keyboard does have some kind of recording function, but is it multi-tracking, like on the Yamaha E400 series keyboards (at least the E433 on up)?  On the Yamaha, we can record 5 independent tracks -- each containing 2 layered sounds (main and dual voice), along with a 6th accompaniment/rhythm track.  I am not sure about the recording capabilities of the EK-50, but my hunch, based on the online manual and specs I saw on Sweetwater.com, is that it can record 4 "melody" parts, and can include 8 accompaniment parts, which would likely be based on the style selected and not freely editable -- kind of like what our Yamahas record on the accompaniment track.  It is also not clear to me if the 4 melody tracks can each have up to 3 layered sounds, or if these tracks can be only one sound each.  I know on many of the Casios, they say they have a "17 track" sequencer, but only one of the tracks can include layered sounds, while all the rest can only be a single sound/voice.

There does seem to be some ability to modify the styles, and it may even be to possible load additional voices.

And there does appear to be 40 of what we call registrations (they call them "keyboard sets"), set up as 10 banks of 4, but it is not clear whether the rhythm/style can be "frozen" so that you can change the keyboard set during a song, to get a different sound, without changing the background rhythm or style at the same time.  And I saw no mention of any kind of synth functions, like filter, envelope generator, or portamento.

Please keep in mind that I have zero firsthand experience with this keyboard, and I got all of this info online, so if anyone who has had or does have this keyboard wants to correct me, certainly please do so.  This means, of course, that I also have no idea as to how good the key feel of the keyboard is.

I currently see this keyboard on Sweetwater.com for about $550 US, and there is a Korg EK-50L, which has more onboard amp/speaker power and additional sounds, for $100 more.  That's getting up there, and into the territory of something like, say, a gently used PSR-S670.  There seems to be a lot there, but at this point, not enough that would make me want to jump off the Yamaha ship.

Finally, again, I realize this is PSRTutorial, and not KORGTutorial, so I apologize if I'm stepping over the line.  But I do feel it is good to discuss what the competition offers, especially as we are all waiting for our updated models, so we can all make informed buying decisions, and perhaps also to discuss what features are important so that Yamaha can consider implementing them into their own future keyboards.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2021, 07:12:12 AM by SciNote »
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433, Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 

Offline Piano Tone

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2021, 11:38:39 PM »
Had my EK-50 for a few weeks and absolutely love it.  Has the best user interface I've ever seen on a keyboard or digital piano, and no menu deep diving whatsoever on an arranger keyboard (at least to me and in this price range) is unheard of.  Virtually everything you would ever need to do on the fly (add/remove layers, adjust relative layer volumes, mute/enable style parts, adjust relative part volumes, transpose +/-, octave shift +/-) is all quickly and easily available on the control panel.  I had a PSR E373 and the UI for that (in my opinion) was frustrating - you had to menu deep dive to do SO many common basic things (octave shift, adjust relative layer volumes etc). 

The USB drive will not only play wav but also mp3, and the filenames are visible on the display (which also has tons of useful info) - and you can easily adjust the incoming volume of a backing track on the fly which is super useful - I've had and have other boards where backing tracks from my iPad will distort when streamed in to a keyboard.  And the speakers are great, the piano patch is bright and clear and perfect for cutting through a mix.  I can't speak to using the USB for style transfers or anything like that (not my thing), but I love this keyboard.  Also has true full size keys (165mm octave width; almost all synth action boards say "full size" but are 159-160mm which many dont notice or care about, but being used to a digital piano with actual full size keys I definitely notice. 

I did a prelim review on my channel if you want to check it out:   https://youtu.be/X59R-PWCoDg
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Offline vbdx66

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2021, 04:29:51 AM »
Hi to all,

A person who wishes to remain anonymous for disclosure issues but who I have reasons to believe is well-informed seems to think the E473 will hit the shelves sometime around next February. Nice, I also have my birthday at that time  8)

As long as the discussion goes off brand, I’d like to speak a bit about Casio here even though I am a hardcore Yamaha fan. I had a Casio CT-X3000 for a few weeks when it was released in 2018 and I just loved the sounds, the styles and the editing possibilities, including the DSPs. Eventually I sent it back because of its cumbersome user interface (to say the least). I then bought the CT-X800 which I still have. Much simpler to use but much less power and a disastrous keybed (the keybed of the 3000 was a joy to play, on par with that of pro synths).

Now they released the CT-S400, which is kind of their version of our PSR E373. Simple board, well designed, intuitive interface, same sound engine as the CT-X700/800, better keybed and some of the flaws corrected (such as this ridiculous issue of being unable to adjust the relative volume levels of the different voices on the CT-X800). The CT-S400 can now adjust volume levels, panning of all three voices, the arpeggiator can be assigned to any of the voices, you’ve got optional Bluetooth connectivity, etc. There is even a copy/paste function in the 6 tracks sequencer, which is completely unheard of in this price segment.

So while awaiting our beloved PSR E473, I also strongly hope that Casio will release a CT-S keyboard with the possibilities of the CT-X3000 but with the strengths and ease of use of the CT-S400.

As for those among you who are looking in the direction of Korg EK50/EK50L, go for the former. In an extensive video, Jeremy See explains how there isn’t much difference between them really and the EK50 is much less expensive (see the link below).

Just my two cents,

Vinciane

https://youtu.be/GVHTGKDpigQ
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2021, 11:03:43 AM »
I have the Casio PRX-3000. The slimmest digital piano ever. And it has arranger functions and 200 styles and 700 voices. But it costs more than the Yamaha e series.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline vbdx66

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2021, 11:13:33 AM »
Hi Toril,

Do you mean the CT-X3000 by any chance? If yes, could you please report on your experience with it? What it misses in my opinion are the Live! Knobs of the PSR E series, as well as the possibility of the PSR E463 to record yourself on a thumbdrive. Very convenient to record a composition on the fly.

Regards,

Vinciane.
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2021, 11:49:55 AM »
No, this s PRx. The series s called Privia. 88 keys. 2 control knobs  and pb wheel. But it is really a digital piano with extra functions.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2021, 03:16:56 PM by Toril S »
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline vbdx66

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2021, 12:00:01 PM »
Oh it indeed looks cool  8)
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2021, 03:19:11 PM »
Corrected my typos😀 Yes it is cool and has good sound. I am suffering piano lessons. 😀
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline vbdx66

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2021, 03:48:42 PM »
Hi Toril,

“Suffering piano lessons” I like that  :D
Have you had the chance to try the DGX670? How would you rate the Privia by comparison?

This doesn’t tell us yet when the E473 will arrive  ;D

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2021, 05:10:44 PM »
Yes, I have tried the DGX670. A very good instrument, better than the Privia because it is heavy and has fantastic speakers. But I fell for the Privia because it takes up little space and looks and sounds very good for its small size. For my needs it is perfect.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLVwWdb36Yd3LMBjAnm6pTQ?view_as=subscriber



Toril's PSR Performer Page
 

Offline SciNote

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2021, 08:37:50 PM »
Vinciane, I suspect that if you held on to your Casio CTX-3000, you would have found that the keyboard feel would have quickly degenerated.  I could be wrong, but I was in a music store, and they had a CTX-5000 on display, which is their $450 portable keyboard flagship.  The keyboard felt like a rickety $50 keyboard that had been dropped down the stairs!  You could say that this was because it was a display model that had been messed with by many people, but the same would be true for the Yamaha's on display, and none of the Yamaha's felt that degraded.  It is still true that the PSR-E463's key feel is not as good as the E433, and that is something that I hope is improved with the E473, but it's nothing like what I saw with that Casio.

I also did see a CTX-400, and I also felt it to be a decent keyboard for the price.  More logical menus, with push buttons that can change functions but are clearly labeled on the LCD display, 32 registrations, and even portamento built in to some of the synthesizer sounds.  But like you said -- more of a competitor to the Yamaha's PSR-E373, not the E463, as there are no live-control knobs and no user-editable effects other than reverb and chorus, as far as I could tell.  There may have been DSP -- I can't remember -- but there was no filter or envelope generator that I could find.  The key feel was okay (still not as good as Yamaha, in my opinion) -- so only time will tell if it holds up.

As for menu-diving on the E400 series, as compared to the Korg EK50, though I have no hands-on experience with the Korg, when I look at the pictures of its control panel, I really don't see what this is about.  Yes, I can see direct push-buttons to turn on and off the three right-hand parts and the split/left hand part, as well as the style parts, but I do not see any direct controls to change the volume or octave of these parts.  Direct buttons for overall octave and transposition are there, which is good.  But other than that, I don't see a major difference in regard to the Yamaha E400 series.  At least the E433 on up has direct buttons to turn on and off the dual and split voices, and there are direct buttons to turn on and off parts of an auto-accompaniment style.  And remember, for deeper editing of the sounds, all you have to do is hit and hold down a particular button for certain features, and then the keyboard automatically jumps to the correct part of the menu list of functions, reducing the need to scroll through dozens of parameters to find what you want.  Like if you want to change the dual voice octave, you just hit and hold down the dual voice button for a couple seconds, and then it is just a couple button presses from there to get to the dual voice octave function.  Admittedly, they don't have this explicitly available for the main voice, but you can either hold down dual voice button, then just step backwards through the functions to go into the main voice parameters, or use one of the other functions (it might be style volume, but I'm not sure), that is only a couple clicks away from the main voice parameters.

As for a possible February 2022 release date for the PSR-E473?  Sounds good and logical to me!
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433, Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios
 

Offline vbdx66

Re: Does anyone know about the PSR E-473 Yet.
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2021, 08:53:16 PM »
Hi Bob,

Here in France it is much too late and I am far too tired so I’ll answer your long post when I’ll be my normal self again.

Regards,

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.