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Offline samson8884

PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« on: June 06, 2021, 07:57:07 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I currently own a PSR S970 and I am looking for  light weight options that could replace it. I would surely need an arranger so synths are out. I was considering the CTX 5000 which seems to have high end features for a very low price, but the lack of realtime control knobs, limited set of registration banks, menu driven interface for voice editing and above all the quality of styles compared to Yamaha were some of the reasons that did not convince me.
I have also considered Korg's i3 and EK50, but those did not convince me either.
Then I happened to look at the new SX600 and looks like it ticks all the boxes. I also believe that most of my existing registrations should work with minimal tweaking.

I know it would be a downgrade from the s970 to the SX600 and I am willing to let go of a few features. But is it really a downgrade?

Here is my criteria...
1. Light weight ... Let's say not more than 8.5kgs
2. Should be able to play styles and recall registration settings straight from USB without the need to load them in internal memory. This essentially means I get unlimited registrations and 0 load time for the styles.
3. Should be able to use modulation wheel/knobs to adjust filter cutoff in real-time
4. Should support at least basic voice editing/tweaking like ADSR and filter cutoff/resonance
5. Minimum 2 layers for right hand, 3 would be good to have
6. AUX input support
7. Real-time volume control for AUX input preferred
8. Multipads for additional backing (internal sounds is fine, WAV/MP3 is good to have)
9. Mic input with FX is good to have. I don't use vocal harmony so it can be skipped
10. Style editing/tweaking is a must have. Style assembly, step editing, drum setup (drum instrument revoicing is a must).

Do you think the SX600 would fit the bill?
What features would I lose?
Any other keyboards worth looking at?

Looking forward to your expert opinions. Cheers!

~ Sam
 
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Offline Toril S

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2021, 08:03:03 PM »
I would go for the sx900, or even the SX700! Bigger screen, more features.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline samson8884

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2021, 08:26:47 PM »
Definitely Toril, however my main criteria is less weight. The SX900 and SX700 weigh about the same as my S970 ☹️
 

Offline Toril S

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2021, 08:52:37 PM »
Yes, a little over 11 kilos. I believe the XS600 is around 8 kilos. The SX600 has more modern sounds and interface, but even tye S970 is a much better keyboard, but that is just my personal opinion😀
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Online overover

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2021, 08:52:44 PM »
Hi Sam,

PSR-S7xx/9xx models (just like Tyros models) have display buttons (A - J) for a relatively simple and quick operation. PSR-SX700/900 (just like Genos) have a touch display. However, the PSR-SX600 has neither of them (NO touch display!), i.e. you have to operate EVERYTHING using the cursor buttons (similar to the PSR-S670). I not only find this very annoying, but for ME it is an absolute knockout criterion for the SX600.

I STRONGLY recommend that you get at least an SX700.


Best regards,
Chris
« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 09:01:41 PM by overover »
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Offline Toril S

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2021, 08:59:29 PM »
I fully agree with Chris!!
« Last Edit: June 08, 2021, 02:14:49 PM by Toril S »
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLVwWdb36Yd3LMBjAnm6pTQ?view_as=subscriber



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Offline Enildo

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2021, 12:00:27 PM »
Hi Sam!

I tested a friend's SX600 at home, and found a fantastic sounding and feature-rich keyboard from the SX lineup!
Although it doesn't have the VH2, it does have a mic input with the main effects and controls that make s650 and s670 owners jealous. Knobs for live control work like the SX line. Not to mention the new Unision & Accent features that are really cool and only he has.
I was surprised and imagined myself swapping my SX900 for it, and I think the only thing I would really miss would be the VH.
If your number 1 criterion is weight and you don't care about VH, be happy!!!
Then if you don't like it, everything won't be lost, you can sell it and buy another model!
That's my opinion!

Enildo
When word fail, Music speaks!
 

Offline samson8884

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2021, 04:19:55 PM »
Thanks everyone, for your inputs... I'll surely consider all that you have said.

@Enildo, this is exactly what I thought when I went through the manual of the SX600. Glad to know you concur. As I said, my main criteria is weight. I dont use VH2 on my S970 itself.

The lack of A-J buttons is a bit of a let down. Since there is no touch screen, these would be very useful... but during live use I rely heavily on the registration banks, so I feel the lack of A-J buttons won't be a deal breaker.

Offline samson8884

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2021, 05:26:14 PM »
Does anyone have any opinions about the keybed of the SX600? Better/worse than S970?
 

Online overover

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2021, 05:38:54 PM »
Does anyone have any opinions about the keybed of the SX600? Better/worse than S970?

Hi Sam,

the SX600 has an "Organ (standard)" keyboard (and therefore exactly the same as the S970). SX700/900, on the other hand, have the (much better) "Organ (FSB)" keyboard.


Best regards,
Chris
Everyone always said: "This is not possible!" - Then someone came and ... just did it!
 

Offline tyros2009

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2021, 01:49:30 AM »
I have my SX600 for almost two weeks and really love it. I just play a friend's PSR S910 yesterday (many hours) for a friend party.
This one sounds no good compared to the SX600. I have not tried the S970 so I could not tell its voice quality.

What does the SX600 miss ?

1) direct access to a folder containing user data on USB thumb drives (styles, songs), my Tyros3 has this feature. It is pretty quick to go to a desired folder on the USB thumb drive.

2) lack off buttons at left and right of the screen allowing to select items shown with one button push, SX600 uses arrow keys to navigate to desired item, then ENTER to select it.

These two "omitted" features make changing styles slower during a live show.
I work around by putting about 16 frequently used styles in the USER area for quick access. Hundreds of other styles are still under various folders in USB drive.
For commonly used voices, I save them in 2 registration banks. A single button push will select the voice I saved.

3) the screen is smaller, but it is crisp and clear. I can read it easily with my old eyes. If I can, anyone can.

On  the positive side, SX600 has a few features not seen on other keyboards: 
1) USB audio interface, I found that this is a great feature. It get rid of my Lambda audio interface box, my MacKee mixer (for microphone). Just need one single USB cable between PC and keyboard. I could not do this with my Tyros3.

2) UNISON, a good feature during live play. I post on youtube a 2 minutes video demonstrating just this feature very clearly.
             https://youtu.be/wXGDCSbnloo

3) ACCENT, have not tried it yet. However, the knob#2 was configured to allow reducing the number of instruments involved in the accompaniment part.
    At maximum, all instruments in the accomp part play at their set volume. Turning this knob left slowly, one by one get muted.
    At minimum, only drum and bass play. Very useful feature during LIVE play.
If you can play accompaniment with right hand (using guitar or piano voices), the whole thing will sound more lively and not so repetitive.

4) right hand volume control, assigned to the knob#1. Very handy to adjust the right hand volume to balance with the style volume DURING LIVE PLAY

5) TEMPO reset button: this button exists on Korg keyboard even from the very first one (PA-50), only exist on SX serie now. I use it mainly to re-synchornize with a singer show sing out of beat !!! Just push this button when  they sing at the first beat of the next measure. HATE to run into this but not all friends can sing to the beat properly.

6) good sounding voices, and .... of course LIGHT WEIGHT and LOW PRICE are very attractive.

More over, I like the audio recording of this SX600, directly to the thumb drive. On the Tyros3, recording goes to the hard drive first, then you can optionally record vocal on second track. Finally mix them then export the mix as WAV file on USB thumb drive. Too many steps are needed on Tyros3.
Recording to Audacity using audio interface of the SX600 streams line this process and not limited to only 2 tracks.









 
Korg PA-50, Yamaha YPG-235, E443, EW410, YPT400, Tyros3, Genos
 

Offline tyros2009

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2021, 02:42:45 AM »
I forgot to mention another good feature on SX600: audio file linked to a PAD.
I dreamed about the capability to play a song (MIDI or audio) while playing rythm. The SX600 has it ;-)
When do I use it ? Some songs require a fancy interlude (or intro, ending). Playing these parts live will not sound as rich as when they are recorded as multi MIDI tracks.
Then from these MIDI short songs, I records them as WAV audio, cut off the silence part at the start. Then link them to an user pad.
During live play, just need to push the correct PAD button to play the short song and it sounds great.
Optionally, these WAV songs could contain vocal too.
The only restriction of this feature is the key and tempo of the selected style have to match with WAV song.
Korg PA-50, Yamaha YPG-235, E443, EW410, YPT400, Tyros3, Genos
 

Offline panos

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2021, 09:17:26 PM »
Hi Samson,
I believe that I am not mistaken, but the SX600 doesn't have the Tab "Edit" of the Style Creator.
So if you want to make any changes to individual notes of an existing unlocked style part,
you have to do it on the PC by using programs like Mix Master or Style magic.




Offline tyros2009

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2021, 07:43:50 PM »
I played the TYROS3 for 12 years now, and bought the SX600 because it is very light, easy to carry out to gigs, especially small gigs. Yes, it is more combersome to navigate using arrow buttons. By arranging frequently used styles, voices in User area, it is not too bad.

 
Korg PA-50, Yamaha YPG-235, E443, EW410, YPT400, Tyros3, Genos
 

Offline janamdo

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2021, 10:47:35 PM »
 I do play also on a sx600 and it is a complete keyboard what is capable to play at a good musical level.
Userfriendlyness is important for a keyboard , but it has his price
 

Offline tyros2009

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2021, 05:03:22 PM »
Update to ALL my previous posts: I found that the sound quality of the SX600 is below the S910 (and of course below the S970 by a long gap), so I returned my SX600 to local Guitar Center (full refund within 45 days of purchase). If you do not case much about sound quality, then SX600 is a pretty good keyboard at low price, and it's light to carry to gigs.
Peronally, I would keep the S970 if I had it.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2021, 05:04:41 PM by tyros2009 »
Korg PA-50, Yamaha YPG-235, E443, EW410, YPT400, Tyros3, Genos
 

Offline travlin-easy

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2021, 06:30:56 PM »
Sounds like it is time for  you to begin working out with arm weights - this keyboard is really light in comparison to those of years past. At just 25.57 pounds, this is a real lightweight when compared with the Roland G70 at 55 pounds and my old Yamaha PSR-5700 at 52 pounds. Of course I was fairly young when I owned them, and the weight didn't bother me. Back then, I had some Peavey 15-inch speakers with a Black Widow Spider tweeter that tipped the scales at 79-pounds and I placed them on speaker stands 5 feet above the floor - WOW! Now, at age 80, the my PSR-S-950 stays on the keyboard stand in the office. :)

All the best,

Gary 8)
Love Those Yammies...
 

Offline vadesriux

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2021, 07:14:19 PM »
Hi Sam.

Seems to me you already are pretty much decided on the SX600. Yamaha doesnt make bad instruments. It is a really good brand and has always been. Like Roland, Korg and others.

I have tried a MX61 a few years ago and the sound that came out of it was really good (lots of Motifs sounds). But the box and keybed of the instrument itself were weak quality wise. Of course the MX61 was really cheap even coming from Yamaha, so you always get what you pay for. Cheaper means cheaper quality. Unless you are talking about luxury brands which is not the case.

Were am I trying to get with this? If you buy the SX600 you will have an inferior keybed and you can bet - not so good internal sound chip (listen to the Genos refined internal sounds...). Besides the small screen of course. So if all this doesnt bother you too much you will be fine with the 600. As I said even with not so good physical parts, this keyboard will still produce very good sounds.

As for the weight? Having owned a Motif XS6 for quite a few years (15kg) the 11,5 kg of the SX 700/900 are nothing compared to that, I can assure you.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2021, 10:14:17 AM by vadesriux »
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Offline Normanfernandez

Re: PSR S970 to PSR SX600... Thoughts?
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2021, 09:52:37 AM »
Just keep the 970  ;)
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