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Offline Musicnik

SFF1 or SFF2?
« on: April 10, 2021, 10:23:57 PM »
Hello! Please, can you tell me, what's the difference between the SFF1 and SFF2 style format and why Yamaha decided to go to this format in the new keyboards after the PSR s900?
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Offline ikmusic

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2021, 10:50:11 PM »
Information from the producer of musical styles CAMARO24:
"SFF2 vs SFF1
Format SFF1 jest formatem bardzo "trackożernym". W rozbudowanych stylach SFF2 podczas konwertowania do SFF1 trzeba z wielu rzeczy zrezygnować, np. z brzmień MV, z APPEND ROOT, Crash Cancel Chord, czy APPEND 7TH i wielu innych" 
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Yamaha: Tyros 4/3/2 S970 S770 S750 S710 S670 PSR1500 E413 W7v2 V50
Roland: BK9 BK7m BK5 G800 E35 E70 E50 U20 Ra90 JV50 Mc500
Korg: Pa4x Pa1000 01Wfd
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Offline Toril S

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2021, 10:50:50 PM »
The SFF2 format can contain more data. New keyboards have for instance mega voices, so the format had to på changed.
Toril S

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Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline Jørgen

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2021, 02:11:59 AM »
...
New keyboards have for instance mega voices, so the format had to på changed.

Hi.
This is not correct, sorry  ;)
The styles in PSR 3000 which is SFF1 format have several Mega Voices...

The SFF2 format can contain more data..
..

However, this is correct...
The ONLY difference between the two formats is the structure of the CASM data.
The CASM data in the style tells the keyboard how to interpret the MIDI data in the style.
The SFF2 format has 3 seperate data settings for low, midrange nad high notes while the SFF1 format has a general data setting for all notes.

Regards
Jørgen
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- since 1999
 
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Offline Musicnik

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2021, 09:18:16 AM »
Hi.
This is not correct, sorry  ;)
The styles in PSR 3000 which is SFF1 format have several Mega Voices...

However, this is correct...
The ONLY difference between the two formats is the structure of the CASM data.
The CASM data in the style tells the keyboard how to interpret the MIDI data in the style.
The SFF2 format has 3 seperate data settings for low, midrange nad high notes while the SFF1 format has a general data setting for all notes.

Regards
Jørgen

Thank you!
 

Offline Toril S

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2021, 12:18:52 PM »
Thanks Jørgen😀
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline pjd

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2021, 11:28:23 PM »
SFF2 is sometimes known as "SFF GE" meaning "Style File Format (Guitar Edition)". Quoting the old S950 owner's manual:

“SFF (Style File Format)” is an original Style file format by Yamaha which uses a unique conversion system to provide high quality
automatic accompaniment based on a wide range of chord types. “SFF GE (Guitar Edition)” is an enhanced format of
SFF, which features improved note transposition for guitar tracks.

The three ranges (high, mid, low) mentioned by Jørgen provide better support for MegaVoices which split MIDI notes into regular sounding notes (below C6) and special effect notes (C6 and above). The high settings can be set for SFX notes while the mid and low settings handle the "regular" notes. This arrangement lets Yamaha handle a MegaVoice part in a single style Part.

That's probably TMI.  :)

-- pj

Jørgen, did SFF GE (SFF2) add NTR=GUITAR and NTT={ALL-PURPOSE, STROKE, ARPEGGIO}? Thanks.

 
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Offline Jørgen

Re: SFF1 or SFF2?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2021, 07:41:05 AM »
...
Jørgen, did SFF GE (SFF2) add NTR=GUITAR and NTT={ALL-PURPOSE, STROKE, ARPEGGIO}? Thanks.

Hi
Yes, these two settings were new to SFF2 / SFF GE.
Jørgen
The Unofficial YAMAHA Keyboard Resource Site at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha
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