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Offline shezza

Sustain not to good!
« on: October 26, 2020, 01:19:15 PM »
Hi all, I have just received my SX 900 and can't seem to get the sustain to work very well. I thought the sound would carry on until the sustain pedal was released but it doesn't. Any ideas.
 

Janus

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Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2020, 03:16:02 PM »
Perhaps it changes from off to on or on to off
You can change that in the setup with change polairity
or by starting up use the pedal once to let the keyboard make the change
Or the pedal is keep hanging on and need to repair
« Last Edit: October 26, 2020, 03:21:47 PM by Janus »
 

Offline mikf

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2020, 03:48:37 PM »
For us to comment I think you need to provide a better description than ‘doesn’t work very well’. What voice and what does it do.
If you are talking about piano voice, I can tell you that none of the arrangers - even the CVPs- sustains as well as a regular piano. I have a feeling this may be related to the original sample.
Mike

Janus

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Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2020, 03:55:27 PM »
For us to comment I think you need to provide a better description than ‘doesn’t work very well’. What voice and what does it do.
If you are talking about piano voice, I can tell you that none of the arrangers - even the CVPs- sustains as well as a regular piano. I have a feeling this may be related to the original sample.
Mike
The discription is goed|
The sustain keep hanging on
That is wrong polairity or the pedal is defect and keep hanging on

Offline mikf

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2020, 03:59:21 PM »
Janus - he stays it does not carry on. I read that to mean it dies away before he releases the pedal. Maybe your interpretation is correct, maybe not. Needs a clearer description.
Mike
 

Janus

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Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2020, 04:19:55 PM »
Janus - he stays it does not carry on. I read that to mean it dies away before he releases the pedal. Maybe your interpretation is correct, maybe not. Needs a clearer description.
Mike
by fault the first thing to do is check the polairity that is easy works in 90 %
Not all voices have sustain check first the piano voice by sustain troubles it has always sustain
If you want sustain on a voice standaard with no sustain you can set in on in the controller section

Offline shezza

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2020, 06:00:03 PM »
When I play a string or organ sound without pressing the pedal there is no sustain at all, when I play the same sound and press the pedal it will sustain but not indefinitely.
 

Janus

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Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2020, 06:12:34 PM »
When I play a string or organ sound without pressing the pedal there is no sustain at all, when I play the same sound and press the pedal it will sustain but not indefinitely.
Try the sustain with a piano voice it got always sustain
Check also the plug goes to the right input poort and the plug must be mono
There is a reserved poort for sustain look in your manual
« Last Edit: October 26, 2020, 06:14:46 PM by Janus »
 

Offline overover

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2020, 06:39:45 PM »
Hi shezza,

it seems that your Sustain Pedal is working normally.

Whether a voice is held for "infinitely long" with the Sustain Pedal depressed or whether it decays anyway depends on the internal programming of the Voice concerned.

Normally, when the Sustain Pedal is depressed, a Voice should behave in the same way as when you hold the key(s) down for a longer time without the Pedal. E.g. a Piano sound will decay even if the Pedal is depressed.


P.S.
In some cases it can help if you set the Pedal function "Sostenuto" instead of "Sustain". (Please refer also to page 112 of the SX900 Reference Manual.)


Best regards,
Chris
« Last Edit: October 26, 2020, 07:23:13 PM by overover »
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Offline Fred Smith

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2020, 07:18:25 PM »
When I play a string or organ sound without pressing the pedal there is no sustain at all, when I play the same sound and press the pedal it will sustain but not indefinitely.

Sounds like sustain is working normally.

On most keyboards, there is a sustain button you need to turn on if you want sustain without pressing the pedal.

To adjust the length of the sustain, you need to edit the voice.

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Offline mikf

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2020, 10:17:08 PM »
Reading between the lines of the OP I thought this was most likely the case, working properly but not what he expected. Nothing to do with polarity.
In some case like Fred says you can adjust the voice to lengthen sustain. But in some cases it relates to the sample and cannot be changed much, piano being the most obvious example. Piano sustain/decay is a complex thing and it would take a huge sample to do it for as long and accurately as the best accoustic pianos and that just doesn’t exist on most digitals, not only arrangers. 
Mike

Offline shezza

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2020, 05:51:36 PM »
Thanks for all your replies seems it is working as it should, I was expecting the sustain to carry on until I release the pedal.
 

Offline DerekA

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2020, 06:06:07 PM »
In general the panel voices behave as you say - they fade away even when pressing the pedal. But some voices, within the XG voice category, do sustain when the pedal is pressed. It's just trial and error to find them.
Genos
 

Offline blackpool

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2020, 07:08:04 PM »
My regular damper pedal seems to work when I hold the pedal down and releases when I let go. ( as you would expect )

I just tried my other pedal ( a generic make ) using sustain function and this holds continually until I press again and sustain is released.
The second pedal is a 'switched' type of pedal function on the opposite polarity.
Maybe this is the reason for the difference in the two?

Without trying several voices, I assumed sustain was 'global'

Keith
« Last Edit: October 27, 2020, 07:12:50 PM by blackpool »
 

Offline overover

Re: Sustain not to good!
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2020, 08:55:51 PM »
My regular damper pedal seems to work when I hold the pedal down and releases when I let go. ( as you would expect )

I just tried my other pedal ( a generic make ) using sustain function and this holds continually until I press again and sustain is released.
The second pedal is a 'switched' type of pedal function on the opposite polarity.
Maybe this is the reason for the difference in the two?

Without trying several voices, I assumed sustain was 'global'

Keith

Hi Keith,

if you have to press the Pedal always two times for "ON" and then again two times for "OFF", this is a so called "latched" Pedal. These Pedals are normally NOT used with Yamaha Keyboards but e.g. for switching the Effect of an external Mixer on/off.

On Yamaha keyboards only "unlatched" ("momenary switch") Pedals are normally used. The recommended polarity is "contact  normally closed" (contact opens when the Pedal is depressed).

Pedals with the polarity "contact normally open" can also be used. If such a Pedal (as designed by Yamaha) is connected with the keyboard switched off, the correct polarity should be automatically detected. If a pedal still works "the other way round", this can be corrected in the Pedal settings.


Best regards,
Chris
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