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Offline ugawoga

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2020, 11:53:53 AM »
hi
Cant see that  profiling working
Yamaha will not send me a bottle of whiskey or a packet of hob nobs!!!

All the best
John ;D
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Offline EileenL

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2020, 12:58:28 PM »
The way round this is to just load the voices you are going to use by taking the ticks out of the ones you don't want.
 Same with the styles. If you only like four voices in the pack then just load those.

Offline blackpool

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2020, 01:22:15 PM »
hi
Cant see that  profiling working
Yamaha will not send me a bottle of whiskey or a packet of hob nobs!!!

All the best
John ;D

That would NOT be the case here - nothing would need to be 'sent' for free  ....other than files contained in the expansion which are already available FOC.....all simply done on-line ...by download analytics, a user profile could easily be achieved looking at what owners choose to download and dont, with feedback requested for likes/dislikes by Yamaha . The system could easily be password protected to avoid abuse. 
This in turn would be a great basis to provide more popular and suitable future file publications/releases  ....win win..
And i am talking here about individual file componets of packs in a communal library , not as they are now, in a 'pack' form and need to be managed.... not sure if this is possible? .
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Offline EileenL

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2020, 03:16:03 PM »
I can't see that working unless they set up a site like CMS has with each voice an individual pack. They seem to have enough problems with there site already without adding to them.
  As you say a lot of people just want to switch on and play and are quite happy to just use on board voices and they enjoy it. Others like to experiment with sounds and styles to make there music a little different. What ever you like to do the main thing always is that you enjoy it.
 
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Offline pjd

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2020, 11:42:44 PM »
Hi --

Just read through the thread. Bachus (and others) have done a good job explaining the current memory situation. Sorry I haven't posted much lately, but I'm just trying to play more and enjoy life near our grandson.

The hardware in Genos and even the SX700/SX900 is divided into two parts: host computer and tone generation. The host computer handles styles and sequencing. The tone generator section makes all the noise.  :)  So, there is  memory in the host computer (USER memory) and separate memory in the tone generator (voice expansion memory). The type of memory used in each is specialized for the task: eMMC flash for USER memory and NAND flash memory for the tone generator.

The tone generator is itself a very specialized, parallel computing system. It has its own DSP RAM, etc. The factory waveforms and user waveforms (AKA "samples") reside in the same physical NAND flash memory belonging to the tone generator. It is the same kind of NAND flash used in PC SSDs. Yamaha eliminated the SATA bus to lower cost and increase access speed. The expansion memory is soldered to the printed circuit board and, thus, is not easily removed and replaced. Even if you replaced it, as Bachus pointed out, the software would not recognize the additional memory capacity.

Yamaha's tone generator is designed for the long run. It is used in synths and high-end digital pianos, too. The tone generator has ports and features which are not currently used. They are for future products. You might feel gypped, but that's the way the game is played -- spread design cost over 5 to 10 years and multiple evolving product cycles.

Hope this helps -- pj
 
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Offline overover

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2020, 11:58:49 PM »
Thank you very much, PJ, for this brief but comprehensive explanation on "Memory types of the Genos"! :)


Best regards,
Chris
Everyone always said: This is not possible! - Then someone came and ... just did it!
 

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2020, 06:38:38 AM »

The tone generator is itself a very specialized, parallel computing system. It has its own DSP RAM, etc. The factory waveforms and user waveforms (AKA "samples") reside in the same physical NAND flash memory belonging to the tone generator. It is the same kind of NAND flash used in PC SSDs. Yamaha eliminated the SATA bus to lower cost and increase access speed. The expansion memory is soldered to the printed circuit board and, thus, is not easily removed and replaced.


Just checked on Amazon. Cutting edge NAND SSDs, for a 500 Gb size, cost on average 50, including case, package, and shipping to your door.

The 4 Gb soldered on the Genos (and top of the line Montage synth) is worth therefore less than 40 cents. I clearly see why they did not include a connector to expand the storage: it would cost much more than the provided NAND chips.

There are also around devices with specialised parallel computing systems (many cores cpus in the gigahertz range, plus hundred cores gpus, sourcing data from system ram (with tens of gb/s of bandwidth)) that cost only a few tens of . The whole device, not only the computing chips. I am talking about smartphones and single board computers. Low power fanless devices mostly running on batteries.

So the whole point of Yamaha proprietary HW architecture (used on all their products, most of which, in terms of units sold, are toys class products sold at toys prices) is to cost as low as possible. In the peanuts range.

If then they can also manage to include the peanuts in a 4k product and sell it, that is extremely good for them.

Offline danand

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2020, 11:47:20 AM »
If you're sure that you know how to build keyboards using parts from Amazon, why don't you start your own keyboard company?
I'm sure that in a short time, with all the knowledge you have (the market needs, where to find spare parts for peanuts etc. etc.) beating companies like Yamaha (130+ in the market), Korg (60 years in business), Roland (50 years building reliable machines) it is a mater of a few months...
 

Offline EileenL

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2020, 12:53:54 PM »
Honestly there really is some rubbish posted on here. I really don't know where people get there prices from. Cloud cookoo land I would suspect or some where that peanuts are plentiful. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline gary3917

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2020, 05:50:25 PM »
Why cant we just load the styles only and save the exp pack on a USB ? Why do I have to load it thru YEM ? Again...why not load exp packs on USB and use it as you need it instead of running out of space on my T-5 ? EI ...load exp packs all on usb and use it as you need it ?
Gary
Tyros 5 (finally ),Tyros 4, Korg M3 88,  Kawia MP7,Casio PX 560 Cakewalk Sonar BIAB Cubase 5
Mackie DLM8 Keyboard stereo Powered speakers and subwoofer
 

Offline EileenL

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2020, 06:46:18 PM »
Because these are sampled sounds and some of the packs are quite large they require handling differently that is why we have the Flash memory on our keyboards. Once a pack is loaded in you can them save the registrations from it and also the styles to a USB stick but these may be using some of the new voices in them. If you then remove the pack you will probably have to re-voice some of the styles with your own choices.

Offline gary3917

Re: 5GB or more Expansion memory-Yamaha you can do it!!!
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2020, 06:49:55 PM »
You are sooooooo right blackpool !!!!
Tyros 5 (finally ),Tyros 4, Korg M3 88,  Kawia MP7,Casio PX 560 Cakewalk Sonar BIAB Cubase 5
Mackie DLM8 Keyboard stereo Powered speakers and subwoofer