Starting June 30, Yamaha Premium packs, expansions will be free

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Sample Robot has one downfall..
Its samples are so huge..
Won't fit many of those sounds in my Genos..

Hi Bachus

You can put a nice large usb stick underneath in the bomb bay "SKY IS THE LIMIT"!!
It exports to SF2 ,so the same as any Yamaha pack. No Problem.
Sample VST and it can save you a load of dosh!! (money).
It has all the other avantages to be creative.

All the best
John

[filoaman]

I read somewhere, but I wasn't able to confirm this with other source, that every register user now download only two (2) free packs every year.
The source mention some "fine print"
Since I'm also unable to see any pop-up (maybe is the ad-blocker as mentioned above) I can't confirm anything by my self and I was unable to find another reliable source to confirm.
If some-one see the pop-up maybe it worth investigate more if actually there is "fine print"

[ton37]

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[Hammond Yamaha]

Starting June 30 but for how long?
I assume it will be only the Yamaha product and not including KaPro etc.
I am wondering if the reason is because most of the product is already in the Genos or maybe not.
Frank

[Toril S]

These packs are old. I have the Greetings from Italy pack, downloaded maybe two years ago!
But they may be good

[Bachus]

Hi Bachus

You can put a nice large usb stick underneath in the bomb bay "SKY IS THE LIMIT"!!
It exports to SF2 ,so the same as any Yamaha pack. No Problem.
Sample VST and it can save you a load of dosh!! (money).
It has all the other avantages to be creative.

All the best
John

You can't load, nor play samples directly from USB, can you?

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Bachus

I made a sample of a choir from Sampletank 4 after starting out with help from Sokratis and Robinez. I cant thank them enough. Great guys.
Made a pack and put that in there.
I then transferred to the Genos with all the other packs as usual and they are in my expansion underneath the Genos. 64 gig stick enough to keep me happy until i need another
I can pick any sound from there and even put it in a registration.
The thing is the pathway has to be known by the registration, so you choose Expansion, USB 1 Or Usb 2 or internal. No different to a computer and an external drive. 
You can play sounds from any usb stick, but they will disappear when you take the stick out. It will work again when you put that stick back in again.
Once you make lots of registrations and loaded up with sounds back them up on a Terrabyte drive and associate all parts with a song and registration.
If you have a computer back that up to a terrabyte drive  also. Everything is failsafe then.
I got caught out once when my Music computer went down. Never again. This time i got a computer built for the job with 32 gig of ram to future proof for a while as Arturia ,Sampletank etc uses quite a bit of the computer. My I7 runs like a dream and never coughs  " I will have to touch wood now" or hope sods law does not get me!!   English expressions!!
Sample Robot is  unbelievable for what it does, hence being £240. Worth every
Euro
As i said you can get it cheaper for the Montage (tip!!!)  I think you can also look it up on the Yamaha site as they work in conjunction with Samplerobot.
Push the boat out Bachus and go for it. 
We are not like James Bond  "We Only live Once"!!   "Yes Miss Moneypenny"!!
Hope you take fools gladly Bachus!!

All the best
John     

[Pino]

Good post John

Sounds like you have found your way around the sampling world 🎬

The only way is up 😀🍺🎶

Pino

[DerekA]

I'm not sure I am following you john.

If you are creating sf2 samples, and loading them to genos via yem, then the sf2 samples are going into the 3gb expansion memory. You might be creating voice files on usb but you're still going to fill up your expansion memory pretty soon with all those sf2 files.

Unless I'm mistaken and you have a way to play your sf2 samples from usb without creating a yem install pack first?

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Derek and Bachus .
Yes i got it slightly wrong but i cannot see a problem.
From what i can see there is enough room for loads of sounds.
I am not into too much tech jargon, i just want to get on with it before i am B flat diminished
If i run out of memory , i would take files that i need out of the packs and create a custom packs.
The Genos has loads of great sounds anyway.
If you have vst and Genos no problem at all in my view.
If you play gigs ,just load in what you need for the sets.
I purchase Sample Robot for those extra sounds that you cannot achieve on the Genos, then you can play them on the fly.
For the seroius stuff ,go Cubase..
The possibilities are endless.

All great fun !!


All the Best
john

[Bachus]

Hi Derek and Bachus .
Yes i got it slightly wrong but i cannot see a problem.
From what i can see there is enough room for loads of sounds.
I am not into too much tech jargon, i just want to get on with it before i am B flat diminished
If i run out of memory , i would take files that i need out of the packs and create a custom packs.
The Genos has loads of great sounds anyway.
If you have vst and Genos no problem at all in my view.
If you play gigs ,just load in what you need for the sets.
I purchase Sample Robot for those extra sounds that you cannot achieve on the Genos, then you can play them on the fly.
For the seroius stuff ,go Cubase..
The possibilities are endless.

All great fun !!


All the Best
john

Its much easier to use those vst's on mainstage in combination with the Genos, then having to take the time to sample them and continously having to manage my Yem.. 

When you use sample robot for multi sampling with more vellocity layers on every 3 keysto get accurate sounds, then its quickly becomming a memmory hog.. 

Also when you sample a sound from a synth engine its quickly becomming static in nature... 
as an example, when i create sounds one of the things i often do is use keyboard vellocity (how hard i strike the key) to drive the filter cutoff. This makes the sounds much more dynamic..its hard to do such in the Genos..

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Bachus
You can still play registration sounds from USB.
If you make folders for pads,sounds registrations with all content on usb,all pathways are there.
I think is is what gig discs do as well
It is all the do with the pathways.
Also with Samplerobot you still get hard and soft when you apply key pressure
I am not sure how it works but i think the Genos has something to do with it
Yes it does work on one velocity layer
Also i was given help and and had an example of adding volume high and low to the pitch bend wheel to give choirs that rising in sound.
You also tweak and do more in Yem.
I cannot praise Sample Robot enough. Amazing program.
I may get a few things wrong  but i am on the right track unless someone changes the points and de-rails me.
It's not so hard to be humble.

All the best
John
You can get loads of SF2 files on the Genos

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I cannot believe Yamaha are giving all sound packs away
The site will crash within minutes as it is painfully slow anyway
Is it still APRIL???

[EileenL]

Well John we must wait and see.  I have most of the good Yamaha packs anyway but would not mind a few more styles.

[robinez]

...

When you use sample robot for multi sampling with more vellocity layers on every 3 keysto get accurate sounds, then its quickly becomming a memmory hog.. 

Also when you sample a sound from a synth engine its quickly becomming static in nature... 
as an example, when i create sounds one of the things i often do is use keyboard vellocity (how hard i strike the key) to drive the filter cutoff. This makes the sounds much more dynamic..its hard to do such in the Genos..

you can modify that behavior for the most common parameters in YEM, so it's not always nessecary to sample more velocities. For instance your example (velocity to filter cutoff) is a setting in yem that you can add to the preset and even the Envelopes of the filter (which is used very often during programming sounds) can be added in YEM.

The static in nature remark about sampling can be solved with some clever sampling features during the sampling and added synth programming in YEM.

For instance in this demo i created you hear all kind of moving pads starting at 1.50. All these sounds (including the ambient pianos) are from my own expansion packs i created in samplerobot and YEM. Although the Genos has very limited synth editing features, you can achieve a lot if you fix this before sampling when you program your own sounds. If you export the same sounds to the Korg Pa4x then off course you can do a lot of extra things in the substrative synthesizer that it has, which takes it even a lot further.

With almost 4 gigabyte of expansion space in the Genos you can add hundreds of sounds before running out of space. I have added so many sounds that i lost count, so in my opinion the memory size is not a real issue considering the amount of expansion space.

own sounds demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KzrB_Jqx2A

[EileenL]

Loved those voices a lovely Demo.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Eileen
Robinez is right, key pressure on my first effort was there when auto sampling, but there is  a little more in the program to learn in stages.
I had a go at two sample layers and sokratis took my samples to show me how he does it as he is been using it for some time.
When i got them back they sounded great  Some release added and a little touch sense i noticed had a  little manipulation and the result is 100%.
Robinez has also helped me and i very gratefull for that.
I say again to anyone with  a Genos and VST and a Daw go for Sample Robot. I am sold on it.
There are also loads more creative things you can do with it once getting passed the first phase.
Bachus thinks that you cannot put registrations sounds etc to play from a usb drive or stick. I know it is possible as long as the right pathway is there.
Yes packs have to go in the Expansion,but there are ways.
You can load single sounds and registrations and pads from usb. Take the stick out and it disappears untill you put the stick back
I reckon gig disks are made in that way, but i do not gig. Home Studiois far more relaxing and you do not have to worry about ego. "Cool Man"!!
Robinez is also 100% right in saying that you can put loads of sounds in the memory.
I you run out make Best of packs!!!


all the best
John

[Joe H]

... you can modify that behavior for the most common parameters in YEM... With almost 4 gigabyte of expansion space in the Genos you can add hundreds of sounds before running out of space. I have added so many sounds that i lost count, so in my opinion the memory size is not a real issue considering the amount of expansion space...

While some people complain about YEM's editing limitations, there's a lot we can do.  As the saying goes... "it's not what you got, but how you use it"

I maxed out on my S970 expansion memory with hundreds of ambient and analog synth sounds.  It's great the Yamaha went in this direction isn't it.

We need better tools for style making though.  Yamaha can do only so much in satisfying a world market place. We need to be able to create our own styles as well as sounds. I think Yamaha understood the need for some arranger players to be creative.



Joe H

[jwyvern]

Also when you sample a sound from a synth engine its quickly becomming static in nature... 
as an example, when i create sounds one of the things i often do is use keyboard vellocity (how hard i strike the key) to drive the filter cutoff. This makes the sounds much more dynamic..its hard to do such in the Genos..

If this infers you want to set velocities to precise values for multi sampling from Genos you can turn off Touch say for R1 then dial in the fixed velocity you want to apply for that sample/layer etc.
........ If it helps   
John

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Joe

EMC Style works was as Close as it gets to making styles the easy way.
I got suckered into that program which worked great for a year and when the Genos came out. It went BONK!!!
Klaus took ages to update the program and when he did, it was so buggy. He has other business interests i'm afraid.
I have written to him, nothing really gets done. He wanted me to use winamp with the program. Still hopeless and when i load it up a pop up comes up telling of problems and will not run.
The program could of been great ,but Klaus has neglected the buyers in my opinion.
I do not want to use winamp. I wanted an update for the money i have paid. The program should of worked on it's own ,not shortcutting like old programs that borrowed dll's,which add to crashes.
It is possible with Stylemagic , but more involved and time consuming.
Stylemagic great for manipulating Styles and drums though. Easier than the Genos.

All the best
John

[Bachus]

you can modify that behavior for the most common parameters in YEM, so it's not always nessecary to sample more velocities. For instance your example (velocity to filter cutoff) is a setting in yem that you can add to the preset and even the Envelopes of the filter (which is used very often during programming sounds) can be added in YEM.

The static in nature remark about sampling can be solved with some clever sampling features during the sampling and added synth programming in YEM.

For instance in this demo i created you hear all kind of moving pads starting at 1.50. All these sounds (including the ambient pianos) are from my own expansion packs i created in samplerobot and YEM. Although the Genos has very limited synth editing features, you can achieve a lot if you fix this before sampling when you program your own sounds. If you export the same sounds to the Korg Pa4x then off course you can do a lot of extra things in the substrative synthesizer that it has, which takes it even a lot further.

With almost 4 gigabyte of expansion space in the Genos you can add hundreds of sounds before running out of space. I have added so many sounds that i lost count, so in my opinion the memory size is not a real issue considering the amount of expansion space.

own sounds demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KzrB_Jqx2A

Thank you Robin..


I realise that you can do many things in Yem..
Yet i would prefer to edit and create sounds like on the pa4x, directly from behind the keyboard..
But thats not the case..

Because of this i prefer to spend my sound creation time on some gorgeous ipad synths that have a very nice friendly interface... which i then can controll from the Genos..

For me it would allready be a blessing if i could set midi bank and program changes directly in the Genos for external sounds..

Thanks for the video..

[elad770]

I just want to share my opinion about this move Yamaha is making.

In other topics, I've already expressed my opinion that Yamaha should not charge for sound packs because people are already buying and paying a premium for their products.
But this is only from a consumer point of view. Yamaha has a clear marketing goal here:

1. Most people who buy arrangers are no into creating new material but rather play and enjoy. Having a bank of content free will boost sales across the board! Yamaha understands due to COVID 19 that engineering and development efforts are now decreased and to increase focus on selling current models, this move of giving free packs is VERY SMART

2. This allows Yamaha to basically "give away" music creation to others. And there are many talented voice and style creators out there. As I said in the past, Yamaha will slowly but surely is going towards an open platform concept where YAMAHA produces not only very high-quality product but also a Flexible product. Today it starts with voices and styles and tomorrow it will be open-source software where endless features can be developed and customized by others. Again, Yamaha wants to focus on the product and leave all the rest to other developers. Exactly the way it's done in the smartphone market! That is a healthier market. These are just my thoughts of course

[Toril S]

Elad, it would certainly make it easier for users if Yamaha decided to distribute packs free of charge. Then we could load them just like any styles/voices, without the confusing file names in YEM, and YEM could be discarded. I will dream on!

[Mendel]

Hey John,


You say that you load all of your sounds on a USB stick.. can you elaborate more for me..?
I am understanding that those voices are just calling up the preset samples in sample robot?
If That's so, you mind explaining how you do it? I would like to.


Thanks 😊!
Mendel

[tyrosman]

hi Robinez those voices were good loved the Demo

[Hammond Yamaha]

I called Yamaha today with the number that is on the pop up in yamahamusicsoft.com and it was verified that the Yamaha
created expansion packs and style packs will be free as of June 30, 2020
Now that is good news.

Frank

[Mendel]

That leads me to wonder about yamaha's actions..


i have a feeling that some new exciting expansion packs will be coming
soon from them thus making the current ones not so profitable




mendel

[Al Ram]

thanks.

Hello, I have the Genos keyboard, however, i go to the page/link in first post and

When I select the model Genos . . . . . only 1 item is available . . . .

"Easy Xmas Style Expansion" 

is that correct ?   should i select a different keyboard model . . .  ? 

The Xmas package is of no interest to me . . . . are there any other packages available for Genos ?

Thanks in advance.

[Joe H]

That leads me to wonder about yamaha's actions..

i have a feeling that some new exciting expansion packs will be coming
soon from them thus making the current ones not so profitable

mendel

Maybe they are going to change the format again away from YEM to something different. Maybe it's the end of the line for expansion packs as we know them to be.  Maybe there is a new kind of arranger coming next time that will be very different than the Genos and sx900 Operating System.

I know; that's a lot of maybe's... seems like Yamaha is up to something. It's make no sense to sell copy protected expansion packs so we can't share them... then all of a sudden... they are giving them away for FREE!

       

Joe H

[Joe H]

Hi Joe

EMC Style works was as Close as it gets to making styles the easy way.
I got suckered into that program which worked great for a year and when the Genos came out. It went BONK!!!
Klaus took ages to update the program and when he did, it was so buggy. He has other business interests i'm afraid...

I have to say the same thing about Yamaha - Style Factory.  It's got bugs and Klaus doesn't seem interested in fixing them.  For instance: What you see on-sceen may NOT be what is going on with the program.  What I mean is everything on-screen should accurately reflect the operation you are performing. An example would be if a style phrase has a synth sound, the Phrase Extractor Module screen should display the actual sound not "Bassoon" or French Horn".  It should support all the new drum kits not just the old GM/XG Standard Kit. I remixed a style in the Style Arranger Module and saved it. When I played on my keyboard, it didn't sound right.  Drums transposed with my left-hand chords and the rest of the Parts didn't play right either.  I had to load it into StyleMagic to fix the CASM settings.

The program is old. It was written in 1994 when arrangers were quite simple and there were only 128 GM sounds.  When he updated the program to support Tyros and Genos, he did so only half-way. I sent him an email a few days ago explaining some of the issues I was running into... no response.

Style Factory has wonderful potential if he would update it to work properly with the new TOTL arrangers.  Just creating sound maps (Voice Definition Files) for the Tyros and Genos isn't enough. I gave him some ideas about how the program should work effectively with the new keyboards, which have a lot more Voices and also enhancements like Mega Voices for the guitar parts. (SFF2 aka: SFF GE).  The CASM settings fall short and don't save correctly.  To be honest; I'll be surprised if he fixes the problems I reported.  I told him that I was having to "experiment" to learn how the program worked because the documentation was so poor.  A new user shouldn't have to experiment to figure out how a program works.

I'll probably have to find several "work-arounds" in order to use it at all. First workaround was to create a PSR S970 sound map and I had to name it Tyros3.snd in order to get it to work properly. Some of his conventions make no sense or are out of date.  He needs to "modernized  the program to make it truly compatible with the Tyros and Genos keyboards (not to mention the newer PSR arrangers).

http://www.emc-musicsoftware.de/eng-shop/eng-dscstf.htm#Top

   

Joe H