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Offline MusicMan

Recording automation in Style Creator
« on: February 06, 2020, 09:59:29 PM »
Hi

I am experimenting with recording automation in Style Creator.

By automation, I mean recording continuous changes in a mixer setting so that the continuous changes play back when the style is playing.

Here is how I am able to record continuous changes in panning
In Style Creator, if I record enable a style part, then open the mixer (by pressing Direct Access then Variation button to open mixer.) and then start the style playback by pressing the panel button Start/Stop and then if I go to the Pan/Volume page of the mixer, select the panning control and move the Data wheel while the style is playing, the real time panning gets recorded and plays back when the style plays back. This is a real easy, cool way to record automation.

I experimented with other mixer controls like volume, Chorus/Reverb levels, etc and it seems that the only mixer parameter I can record is panning. Does anyone know of a way to record automation for mixer parameters other than panning in Style Creator, which I can already do?

« Last Edit: February 06, 2020, 10:07:32 PM by MusicMan »
 
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Offline sbuci

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2020, 10:18:57 PM »
 
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Offline MusicMan

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2020, 08:17:20 AM »
Hi

I am experimenting with recording automation in Style Creator.

By automation, I mean recording continuous changes in a mixer setting so that the continuous changes play back when the style is playing.

Here is how I am able to record continuous changes in panning
In Style Creator, if I record enable a style part, then open the mixer (by pressing Direct Access then Variation button to open mixer.) and then start the style playback by pressing the panel button Start/Stop and then if I go to the Pan/Volume page of the mixer, select the panning control and move the Data wheel while the style is playing, the real time panning gets recorded and plays back when the style plays back. This is a real easy, cool way to record automation.

I experimented with other mixer controls like volume, Chorus/Reverb levels, etc and it seems that the only mixer parameter I can record is panning. Does anyone know of a way to record automation for mixer parameters other than panning in Style Creator, which I can already do?

I've been experimenting and one very effective way to record automation (Expression, Panning, Volume, Modulation) is to use XGWorks as a GoTo app inside MixMaster. You can draw automation curves in piano roll. It'e very easy and fast. Then save in XGworks and save the Style.
 

Offline panos

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2020, 01:01:31 PM »
Hi MusicMan,
I can do the same with some effects of the Mixing console on my s750 like
Harmonic Content,Brightnes,EQ High,EQ Low and  3 dsp effects of the style.
Also Pitch Bend Wheel can work this way.
This method doesn't work for volume changes.

The style parts should be unlocked so you can press the rec button for the one you want to apply continuous changing effects with the Data Wheel.
No need for an external program for this.

But why are you replying to your self? ;D

Offline MusicMan

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 04:31:28 AM »
Hi MusicMan,
I can do the same with some effects of the Mixing console on my s750 like
Harmonic Content,Brightnes,EQ High,EQ Low and  3 dsp effects of the style.
Also Pitch Bend Wheel can work this way.
This method doesn't work for volume changes.

The style parts should be unlocked so you can press the rec button for the one you want to apply continuous changing effects with the Data Wheel.
No need for an external program for this.

But why are you replying to your self? ;D

Wow OK. Yeah I tried it.

Every knob on every page of the mixer is record-able for continuous changes if you open the mixer from inside Style Creator (Press Assignable + a Variation button). The channel has to be record enabled.
But not the volume slider, too bad. That would have been useful.

I responded to myself to share some additional info that I discovered about recording automation.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 04:56:55 AM by MusicMan »
 

Offline Roger Brenizer

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 06:22:39 AM »
There's really no need to respond to yourself, MusicMan.  You could have just modified (edited) your original topic post.
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My best regards,
Roger

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Offline panos

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 12:43:23 PM »
Don't forget also to reduce temporarily the tempo of the style so you can be as accurate as possible with the Data Wheel.
After you finish, you can bring the tempo back to normal.

It would be nice if we could do the same with the volume changes indeed!  :)

Offline ckobu

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2020, 07:35:07 PM »
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I experimented with other mixer controls like volume, Chorus/Reverb levels, etc and it seems that the only mixer parameter I can record is panning. Does anyone know of a way to record automation for mixer parameters other than panning in Style Creator, which I can already do?

I have a video to help you. I record changes to Cakewalk as I move sliders and knobs on Genos.

https://youtu.be/C6H2MSpZO4g
Watch my video channel
 
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Offline Francesco Massa

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 04:35:40 PM »
You can use the Expression control instead of the Volume control. I personally use the Modulation + controller, and through Step Edit I overwrite the Modulation events (Ctrl 1) with the Expression events (Ctrl 11) by selecting all of them.

Francesco
Genos
Previously owned: PSR-740, Tyros2, Tyros3, Tyros4 & Tyros5
 
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Offline MusicMan

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2020, 12:59:35 AM »
Thank you. Great idea recording another controller and converting it in Step Edit.
 

Offline Francesco Massa

Re: Recording automation in Style Creator
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2020, 01:54:02 PM »
Thank you. Great idea recording another controller and converting it in Step Edit.

 :)
I hope Yamaha will let us to assign custom MIDI CC to live controls, maybe in next updates.
Francesco
Genos
Previously owned: PSR-740, Tyros2, Tyros3, Tyros4 & Tyros5
 
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