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Offline Linson

Arpeggiator Question?
« on: October 29, 2019, 10:24:17 PM »
Hello Friends,
Can I the arpeggiator follow the left hand chords when "Hold" for the Arp is turned on?
I am strong on my left hand than my right, so it will be great help if it does follow my left hand chord progressions.
Thank you,

 
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Offline ton37

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2019, 11:48:37 PM »
Nope, why not use Multi Pads. There are quit a lot of them ;). Otherwise arps-voices?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2019, 11:50:56 PM by ton37 »
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline Toril S

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2019, 12:17:57 AM »
Yes, use multipads. You can use multipad creator to make your own arpeggio multipads with most voices. Then use them when playing the song.
Toril S

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Offline EileenL

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2019, 12:34:49 AM »
The arpeggiator is totally different to multi pads in so far as it plays certain patterns when right hand melody notes are played. There are dozens of different patterns available for different instruments.

Offline Linson

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2019, 02:36:50 AM »
Thank you All.
Can we able convert an Arp to multipad?
 

Offline ton37

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2019, 05:31:39 AM »
Pls. have a look at Joe H. Lessons http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html all about making MultiPads
My best regards,
Ton
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Offline Joe H

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2019, 05:35:27 AM »
Thank you All.
Can we able convert an Arp to multipad?

Yes.  Record the arp on the MIDI sequencer: save then load it into PadMaker-Midi.

You can get the free program here:  https://psrtutorial.com/MB/padmakermidi.html

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads in registrations. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html
 

Offline EileenL

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2019, 01:33:44 PM »
Make sure you play your chord in the key of C Maj. Will make things easier.

Offline Linson

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2019, 02:53:26 PM »
Thank you both Joe and EileenL.

It would have been nice feature if the Arp can follow left hand or right hand, depending upon the choice of the user. I hope Yamaha listens to this plea..


 
 

Offline konaboy

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2019, 09:31:52 PM »
I need to dig into this multi-pad arp feature, it sounds very interesting. I checked in the manual and you can record your own phrases for playback on the multipads.
I'm curious about if the multipads transpose according to what you are playing,.  The manual is a bit vague about this

"When the [ACMP] or LEFT part is on, Multi Pad phrases automatically change the pitch to match the chord you play
in the chord section.
Play the chord in the chord section before/after pressing any of the Multi Pads.
Some Multi Pads are not affected by Chord Match."

My PSR is not to hand at the moment, will arpeggios and phrases change key as I trigger different chords in my LH?
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2019, 10:01:53 PM »
Yes😀
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline konaboy

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2019, 10:34:00 PM »
the answer is in the reference manual, it's an option, perfect, there are some situations where you don't want your riff to be transposed with the chords.

"Touch Chord Match [On]/[Off] for each pad to turn it on or off.
If the Chord Match parameter is on for the selected pad, the corresponding pad is played back according to the
chord specified in the chord section of the keyboard generated by turning the [ACMP] on, or specified in the LEFT
part of the keyboard generated by turning the
on (when the [ACMP] is off)."
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2019, 11:07:43 PM »
Multi Pads will 'attempt to' follow left hand chords if a parameter called 'Chord Match' is enabled for a particular pad. Different pads in the same bank can have this set individually.

However, even when Chord Match is enabled, they only seem to correctly transpose the notes that are allowed for a given source chord (typically CM7) when that chord type is played.

If you record other notes in the pad, they will not be correctly transposed with chords.

If Chord Match is not enabled, then you can play any notes you like, but the sequence will not transpose with chords.

Although pads with Chord Match not enabled won't change with chords, they will transpose to a new key if you transpose the keyboard.

Yamaha provide basic information about note transposition for Styles in the manuals, but nothing helpful about notes and 'rules' in Multi Pads.

However in practice the 'rules' and notes allowed for a given source chord appear to be similar, but unlike styles, there is no obvious way to 'fine tune' the transposition rule used or the High and Low note limits for pads!  I suspect that these settings depend upon the style in use, although I can't say if that is the style in use when a pad is recorded, or when it is used!

For style recording using the source chord CM7, Yamaha manuals say this...

Use only the CM7 scale tones when recording the Bass and Phrase channels (i.e., C, D, E, G, A, and B).
Use only the chord tones when recording the Chord and Pad channels (i.e., C, E, G, and B).


I would welcome any information or clarification about this myself! I posted a question on this forum some years ago, but the only reply claimed that MPs with Chord Match enabled, play and match chords for any notes that are recorded, but this does not appear to be the case! 

Just try recording a pad with a simple one octave scale starting at C, and then listen to how this plays back with different chords.

It does transpose to match the root chord, but it only matches all notes correctly if a Major7th is played!  For example If a CM7 is played all notes are correct, but if you play a C chord, the 'B' in the pad is replaced by a 'C', despite 'B' being a 'legal' note for the Bass, Phrase, Chord and Pad parts for styles.

I usually play safe and record multi pads in the key that I play in, with Chord Match turned off.  They then play as I want, but only in that key.  However they also play correctly if l transpose the keyboard!


Regards

Ian
 
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Offline Joe H

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2019, 12:00:08 AM »
Ian,

Your explanation above is correct.  CM7 scale and chord.  Look in the PadMaker-Midi manual.  It contains all the information needed to record and edit Multi Pads.  When recording the arpeggiator, you must also follow the same convention.  The arpeggiator will follow your right hand notes.  Experiments with 1,2,3 or 4 notes will reveal what variations you can achieve with any given arp. We can create many variations with the same arpeggio type. If we vary the Arp Gate Time parameter using Live Control (while we are playing the arp)... we can get even more variations out a single arp.

Joe H
« Last Edit: October 31, 2019, 12:08:53 AM by Joe H »
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Offline Ingar

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2019, 11:36:53 PM »
Yes, use multipads. You can use multipad creator to make your own arpeggio multipads with most voices. Then use them when playing the song.
I wonder..do they follows chords?
 

Offline Joe H

Re: Arpeggiator Question?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2019, 02:45:34 AM »
... For example If a CM7 is played all notes are correct, but if you play a C chord, the 'B' in the pad is replaced by a 'C', despite 'B' being a 'legal' note for the Bass, Phrase, Chord and Pad parts for styles...

That's because the 'B' Note is used when 7th chords are played with the left hand.  This applies to all Multi Pads whether they are CHORD and PAD type Multi Pads or BASS and PHRASE Type Multi Pads.

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads in registrations. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html