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Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #200 on: October 30, 2021, 01:19:40 PM »
My oldest Yamaha is 31 years old. Still going strong. In future keyboards I want more contrast on the screen. I like to just sit and play. The Genos is probably overkill for my simple needs, but I love it!
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline Amwilburn

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #201 on: October 30, 2021, 07:01:33 PM »
Bought my first CLP300 in 1985(?) when I moved to HK (so it's got the 220v UK plug, but luckily switchable voltage) and it still works.
Then my PSR60, followed by my Roland E20 (yup, still arranger) in '88. Bought my 2nd Clavinova in 2006.

Now, I haven't even plugged in my DX7 (1983 mk 1... was so bummed when they released the stereo version, but I'd already blown my budget on the CLP and PSR) in a decade (it was in storage) so I'll have to go check to see if that still works; but if it does, then everything still works!

Yeah, my 1st Yamahas are nearly 40 years old

Oh, and I actually had (well my dad did) had a Hammond B3 with twin rotary speakers (Not sure what model... they weren't "box shaped" like most Leslies).
Mark

Offline bandaclick

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #202 on: January 20, 2022, 10:45:07 AM »
First Yamaha will have to correct the many errors that Genos has......
- LCD dimmer
-files with long names not recognized/not read
-Copy files to ssd from usb we need to change the file type, this shouldn't happen
-the mfd10 pedalboard does not have the possibility of configuring it on all Tyros it worked on the Genos they did not include it
-both players should access any type of file as in other keyboards
- etc etc etc

It's very sad that we have a Genos and there are many things that don't work right I sent it to yamaha from the beginning 3 years ago and they never answered or fixed it.
I have a Korg PA4x and it's the one I use the most, much more functional, much more practical.
I am considering selling my Genos

Offline PierreSW

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #203 on: January 21, 2022, 08:15:31 AM »
First Yamaha will have to correct the many errors that Genos has......
- LCD dimmer
-files with long names not recognized/not read
-Copy files to ssd from usb we need to change the file type, this shouldn't happen
-the mfd10 pedalboard does not have the possibility of configuring it on all Tyros it worked on the Genos they did not include it
-both players should access any type of file as in other keyboards
- etc etc etc

It's very sad that we have a Genos and there are many things that don't work right I sent it to yamaha from the beginning 3 years ago and they never answered or fixed it.
I have a Korg PA4x and it's the one I use the most, much more functional, much more practical.
I am considering selling my Genos

Hey!
I completly agree.
Yamaha could well start copying everything from the Tyros 5 to start with,
but they have not done so, apparently.
Very sad that nothing happens to correct all errors
after such a long time has passed.
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Offline valimaties

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #204 on: March 07, 2022, 10:34:06 PM »
I don't agree...
Yes, Genos has some missing things, but sorry to say for you bandaclick... Korg will NEVER sounds like Yamaha!!!
Yes, it does not have all the functions of Korg, but they will implement some of them, in time.
First of all, there are a lot of Yamaha keyboard players which only are "sit and play" keyboard players.. they open their keyboards and only play with the styles and voices they have in their keyboards (or they buy from Yamaha's music soft site). There are a lot of these users that they don't need some functions and don't care if Genos will have or not some professional functions. They will not use them because they don't know how and why those functions are needed in the keyboard :)))

Now... to copy from Tyros 5?! What?
« Last Edit: March 11, 2022, 11:11:29 AM by valimaties »
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Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #205 on: March 11, 2022, 10:59:13 AM »
Most of us are very happy and satisfied with our Genos. If you do not like it, sell it to someone that have the sense to appreciate it!
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #206 on: March 11, 2022, 12:06:53 PM »
I have to agree Toryl,
  I buy a keyboard to sit and play it and it has everything needed to do that. I don't want to manufacture music as I can buy a CD for this.

Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #207 on: March 11, 2022, 02:03:24 PM »
@ Toril

Who is 'most of us'? Most of the Genos users here at PSR, or worldwide?
To me, your statement sounds somewhat condescending. Users usually have different needs, so pointing out personal views and needs should be perfectly OK without being asked to sell and buy another.

@ Eileen.

Yamaha has used big words and launched Genos as a real WORKSTATION..
Quote:
"Welcome to the new world of Digital Workstations. Genos is the new benchmark in Digital Workstation sound, design and user experience. Whether you are in a recording studio or on stage, Genos will inspire and intensify your musical creation and performance."

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html

Looks like it's not aimed for only the 'sit down and play' users?

Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Offline mikf

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #208 on: March 11, 2022, 04:09:23 PM »
GJ - of course if you spend several thousand on a product itís disappointing to then find out it has some annoying shortcomings. But I think Torilís point saying Ďmost of usí is also correct because I bet 90% of Genos owners (and I do mean all not just this forum members) neither noticed or care much about the items on his list. That doesnít mean they are not important to him, but I doubt those items were the driving force that made him choose Genos in the first place. And of course everyone else might have their own quite different list of annoying shortcomings. Mine is that none of these high end end Yamaha keyboards have a final mix on the recording function. You have to use external software for that. But he, like most of us, probably weighed up the sound and overall functionality against alternatives. Even if he had known about these annoying shortcomings at the time, would they really have trumped his overall reasons for choosing Genos? Hmmm??
But of course it is his choice, so if it does spoil his enjoyment of Genos that much, then itís a free market, choose an alternative that meets more of his his objectives. But no product is ever all things to all men!
Mike
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #209 on: March 11, 2022, 08:18:24 PM »
First Yamaha will have to correct the many errors that Genos has......
- LCD dimmer
-files with long names not recognized/not read
-Copy files to ssd from usb we need to change the file type, this shouldn't happen
-the mfd10 pedalboard does not have the possibility of configuring it on all Tyros it worked on the Genos they did not include it
-both players should access any type of file as in other keyboards
- etc etc etc

It's very sad that we have a Genos and there are many things that don't work right I sent it to yamaha from the beginning 3 years ago and they never answered or fixed it.
I have a Korg PA4x and it's the one I use the most, much more functional, much more practical.
I am considering selling my Genos
  Well, maybe I was a bit harsh, but I reacted to the last sentence here. The poster says that the Korg is much mor practical, and that he considers selling the Genos. This is a Yamaha forum. I am a bit tired of Genos bashers! No keyboard ever has got so much bashing. Here I go again...
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #210 on: March 11, 2022, 11:47:00 PM »
Here again I have to agree with you Toril. Even when people are asking for extra's they still trash the keyboard for not having them or being full of bugs and it does get tiresome as I thought this forum was to help people with problems not run the keyboards down.

Offline woeper

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #211 on: April 26, 2022, 08:08:56 PM »
I want to complain about the Genos. But then i must be able to buy one.

I,ve to wait to the end of september :'(

Offline Amwilburn

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #212 on: April 28, 2022, 08:08:20 PM »
  Well, maybe I was a bit harsh, but I reacted to the last sentence here. The poster says that the Korg is much mor practical, and that he considers selling the Genos. This is a Yamaha forum. I am a bit tired of Genos bashers! No keyboard ever has got so much bashing. Here I go again...

Hi Toril, FWIW, not bashing either, they both have good things (The Korg has the nicest feeling keys, and the all metal construction is nicer, and I like that the multipads show you on screen which ones are currently active, and all the styles sound good out of the box because of really good drum samples... even better than T5, but not Genos). Korg also had touchscreens first, and the current PA1000's have HDMI output for video. No converter needed.

FWIW though, comparing the sounds: Both have great drum sounds, but the older Yamaha samples from when they switched over the PSR3000 were a bit flat, *all* of the Korg drums sound good, Strings: synth strings Korg has a slight edge, but Yamaha acoustic strings sound *much* more realistic. Guitars: Korg finally copied the Super Articulated guitars with their fret noises and body taps (Yamaha has had that since Tyros 2 in 2006, Korg didn't implement until 2015 with PA4x), and their nylon guitars do sound a bit more natural now. But Yamaha's steel guitars have the edge. Distortion guitars, both are good (Yamahas sound more real due to being sample based, but Korg's have the ability to do pinched harmonic squeals, something I've been wanting on a Yamaha since they introduced Super Articulation). Korg also copied the S.Art 2 phrasing of saxophones (which Yamaha has had since 2008, tyros 3, Jazz sax, etc) but it doesn't behave as intuitively; when I hit the phrase button on the Korg PA, it doesn't automatically switch to monophonic phrasing... I'll actually get the gliss as well as the note I'm playing *at the same time*. Yamaha's is definitely better. Yamaha's acoustic bass sounds are the best, but the 'punch' electric basses are better on Korg (you can *feel* the thump in your chest). Korg also has the edge on synths and Hammonds, especially pad synths. Both pianos are good. For horns, Yamaha has the edge.


However, saying "Much more functional" is questionable. A few of the reasons for Yamaha's popularity:

1) Ease of use (you can simply look up new styles on a USB stick on a Yamaha... on the Korg? You have to individually copy and paste each style from your usb to install it, can't access externally from the USB stick.) And yes, there is a mass copy function, but it doesn't fill out all the memory slots (the Korg uses a fixed array with User 1, 2, 3, then Favourites 1-12? I think, as individual folders). If you use a mass copy, it only fills out as many as the source directory (so if the source only had 5 styles, it'll only copy those 5 styles into the Korg user folder then erase the rest, wherin you have to individually install each style individually).
Yes you have to *install* styles!

2) Sample library: Yamaha's format was easy enough that anyone can make samples using wav files, and so there are many, many sources, as well as Yamaha themselves have many, many packs. Korg's sample packs are limited in scope (Indian, Oriental, that's about it, and they're really pricey. $250-$400 USD depending on your model), and it's difficult to program for so there are many sample producers out there, and the 3rd party ones available are pricey (and almost all exclusively dedicated to Persian/Oriental sample packs) as well. Additionally, when you install samples to the instrument, there is a fixed number of sample slots... so it almost doesn't matter how much sample ram space the Korg instrument has, the number of samples limits the number of importable sounds. You can put *bigger* samples in, but not more. Yamahas allow for many, many smaller samples or fewer larger samples, depending on what you want. But no Chinese, no Indonesian, no Italian, Celtic, Country music, etc, sample packs.

3) No registrations on Korg. So my demos with switching arrangements on the fly simply aren't possible there.

Mark

Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #213 on: April 28, 2022, 10:47:23 PM »
Thanks Mark. Very interesting!
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Online sunny

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #214 on: May 17, 2022, 05:13:30 PM »
GENOS PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS :

1) OVERALL SOUND : Sound is warm but not Bright. Brighter sound needed like Tyros5.

2) KEYBOARD LENGTH IS NOT CONVENIENT ;  61 Note keyboard is preferred.

3) NO INDIAN VOICES & NO INDIAN DRUM KIT : All indian voices available in Yamaha MONTAGE & MODX keyboards and Indian Drum kit to be included in Genos replacement keyboard.

4) NO SEAMLESS SOUND SWITCHING (CUTTING OF VOICES ) : Voices are cutting off when Registrations are changed, Seamless Sound Switching (SSS) is highly needed like Montage keyboard.

5) ORGAN & CHOIR SECTION TO BE IMPROVED : Hauptwerk Pipe Organ Voices and Wurlitzer Electro Static Reed Organ and Farfisa,COMBO Organ voices needed.

6) REGISTRATIONS SAVING PROBLEM :

(A) During live performance, When Registrations are saved from one bank to another, pop up message asking to save or not, this is not convenient during live performance. Registrations need to be saved immediately like earlier PSR-740 keyboard without any pop up message. Two options needed for saving Registrations 1) Direct Registrations saving one bank to another without pop up message 2) Registrations saving with pop up message.

(B) Last used Registrations voices to resume automatically, when the keyboard is turned off and on.

(C) Registrations buttons to be increased to 16 . Assignable buttons also to work like Registrations buttons.

7)  MICROPHONE SECTION :

     (A) Dual Microphone inputs needed.

    (B)  Master Reverb,Chorus effects to be applied for Microphone sound when Microphone output is routed through Sub Outputs.

    (C) Feedback destroyer function needed.

    (D) Vocal Harmony button to be always off on default.

8 ) ASSIGNABLE FOOT PEDAL FUNCTION  : Foot pedal to control Song Volume and DEMO volume.

9) STYLE (ACCOMPANIMENT) VOLUME :

    (A) Sub-Woofer Output : A new Separate sub woofer output needed for Accompaniment(Style) voice.

    (B) Accompaniment (style) volume need to be controlled with pedal also.

    (C) Accompaniment (Style) output to be assigned to sub outputs without any missing of Master Reverb and Chorus effects.
   

10) STYLE (Accompaniment ) Volume changes MIDI Message :
Accompaniment (Style) should generate MIDI messages, so that Accompaniment (Style) volume can be controlled by using external MIDI volume pedal.

11) AFTER TOUCH EFFECT WITH PEDAL :  After Touch effect to be applied via Pedals,since some players don't like to shake the key or applying pressure on keyboard.

12) INDIVIDUAL UPPER OCTAVE BUTTONS :
Individual upper octave buttons needed for R1,R2 and R3.

13) NEW TRILL TONE/ TREMOLO EFFECT BUTTON AND LAST NOTE HOLD BUTTON : New Trill button needed for adding Trill tone effect to Dulcimer, Mandolin,Santoor, Banjo, Rabab etc voices and a new  "Hold Button " needed to hold last played note like left hold button.

14) MULTIPADS : Multipads buttons (1-4) to be off when pressing on each button again.

15) REGISTRATIONS & FREEZE BUTTON : Registration button &Freeze button to hold Master Reverb, Chorus, Master Equalizer and Compressor settings.

16) TEMPO SPEED CONTROL ON DISPLAY :
Style tempo speed control to be controlled on Display with digital slider with touch response.

17) AUDIO RECORDING :

 (A) Extra separate track recording for Microphone needed.

 (B) Separate manual volume slider to control Line In (Audio In) volume.

18) WI-FI SHARING OF AUDIO RECORDINGS :
Audio songs recorded to be shared through Mobile phone through Wi-Fi.
   
19) PDF FILES DISPLAY :
PDF song sheets to be displayed on the Display.

20) 8 PIN MINI DIN CONNECTOR PROBLEM :  8 Pin Mini Din Connector pins are getting damaged, replace 8 Pin Mini Din Connector with normal instrument cables for external speaker system.


Sunny.