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Offline Ingar

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #150 on: February 01, 2021, 05:44:53 PM »
Agreed!
Korg has that possibility, very comfortable.
 

Online EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #151 on: February 01, 2021, 10:45:42 PM »
I did not think Korg used Multi Pads.

Offline Misu

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #152 on: February 02, 2021, 06:31:12 AM »
Almost 150.000 view.
All this wishes will create a real Genos 2 arranger, no one ask for sound except maybe pianos. Sadly ,long way to see this.
For the K-ompetitors a better sound board and the game is over.
And yes, they have Multi Pads.
Regards!
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Offline jugge

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #153 on: March 02, 2021, 04:25:55 PM »
I don't have a Genos anymore but would happily buy a Genos 2 if they include the following:

A 61 key option
An integrated USB Audio interface
Better DAW integration similar to the MODX connect VST plug-in where all settings that are made on the Genos will be saved and transferred to the DAW.

/Jugge
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Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #154 on: March 02, 2021, 07:41:35 PM »
Jugge, you sold your Genos? Sad to hear that!
Toril S

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and PSR-47.
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Offline jugge

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #155 on: March 03, 2021, 06:54:05 AM »
Jugge, you sold your Genos? Sad to hear that!

Yes, sad but true. I needed something smaller and got a MODX6. It's a great keyboard and I especially like the integration with Cubase, but I do miss the sounds of the Genos and the inspiration I got when playing along with the styles.
Genos have the best "real instrument" sounds I ever heard from a keyboard, so I really hope they will offer a 61 keys version on the next version. I'll be one of the first to pre-order one  ;D
« Last Edit: March 03, 2021, 06:55:23 AM by jugge »
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Offline Fred Smith

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #156 on: March 03, 2021, 11:11:44 AM »
Yes, sad but true. I needed something smaller and got a MODX6. It's a great keyboard and I especially like the integration with Cubase, but I do miss the sounds of the Genos and the inspiration I got when playing along with the styles.
Genos have the best "real instrument" sounds I ever heard from a keyboard, so I really hope they will offer a 61 keys version on the next version. I'll be one of the first to pre-order one

I don’t think you’ll get your wish, Jugge.

From what I can see, Yamaha have settled on:
Clavinova is 88 keys
Genos is 76 keys
PSR is 61 keys

Hopefully, there’ll be a PSR that meets your standards.

Cheers,
Fred
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Online EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #157 on: March 03, 2021, 12:16:25 PM »
The SX900 is a very nice keyboard and has a lot of Genos in it.
 
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #158 on: March 04, 2021, 08:25:57 AM »
Eileen,

I fully agree with your statement.
The SX900 is a superb keyboard.
I am very happy with my SX900.

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Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #159 on: March 04, 2021, 09:42:49 PM »
Yamaha to make a style maker program that is not rocket science for the many.
EMC Styleworks got pretty close, but went buggo as soon as win 10 came along.
If you can get programs like Cubasis and Cubase 11, surely an easy program for Yamaha style making that does not take hours to make would make sense
People raved about Yamaha XG, so incorporate some of that in Cubase or make a dedicated soft sequencer and sound designer for Yamaha owners
Would all be nice

atb
John
Genos, I7 computer 32 gig ram, Focusrite 6i6, Cubase controller, Focal Alpha Monitors, Yamaha DXR8 Speakers
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Offline Floodie

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #160 on: March 07, 2021, 07:26:03 PM »
Quantize Chord Loops.

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #161 on: April 06, 2021, 08:40:06 PM »
Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men ! On the Tyros 5, there were buttons to access the functions but I can not imagine how a blind man  can do with a touch screen!
Greetings and a good week end
Seagull29

PS/ and if possible, a REAL STYLE CREATOR !!!!!!
It's the same here. I am blind, so I can't use the touch screen on the Genos. Luckily, the PSR-SX600 doesn't have a touch screen, so I don't think the Genos 2 should have one.

Another suggestion: On the Genos, right now, I don't think you can record audio directly to a USB flash drive, or have the sounds of the keyboard play on the computer. I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but if not, a built-in audio interface to record keyboard sounds is a great idea for the future.
 

Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #162 on: April 06, 2021, 09:44:45 PM »
Guys, the Genos and SX keyboards have VoiceGuide, so yes, they can be used by blind men - and women😀 It is not optimal, but Yamaha will develope it further. There are several blind or low vision people here, me included.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline rcs1966

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #163 on: April 26, 2021, 08:30:38 PM »
Hi everybody,

My suggestions Genos 2.

Operations
•   12” tiltable High Definition screen
•   More onboard memory

Multi Pads
•   6 Multi Pads
•   Each pad to have on/off “one press” capability (rather than two presses or work arounds)

New Functions
•   Ability to convert midi files to styles

Construction
•   New sleek black metallic look.
•   Non fade operating buttons.
•   Do not discolor the area around the buttons

Output
•   external screen display - JPG, PDF, BMP - Ex .: printed sheet music.

Midi player
•   double sequencer

Drum set
•   multiple REVO drums - e.g., Standard, Dance, Folk, Live,

Slide potentiometers
•   self-adjusting motor knobs

Thanks


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Offline DaveD

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #164 on: May 01, 2021, 03:29:51 PM »
Has anyone any idea when the new Genos will be available?
 

Offline Fred Smith

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #165 on: May 01, 2021, 07:02:52 PM »
Has anyone any idea when the new Genos will be available?

A couple of years is my bet.

Cheers,
Fred
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #166 on: May 01, 2021, 09:05:41 PM »
A couple of years is my bet.

If ever. 🤔
We, the older arrangerplayers is about to be a rare population. So much happening in the electronic music world nowadays, and the next step is probably something that really aim at the young ones. It's about business. Most likely, it's not autoarranger keyboards.....
Btw,
it make me happy to see that more and more youngsters tend to learn play Classic different instruments, such as piano, guitar, violin, brass etc. 🎵🎹🎵
Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Offline Mark

Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #167 on: May 19, 2021, 07:10:51 AM »
Hi Community, I’m a hobbyist player and a proud Genos owner. I’m not a musician (not making money out of music) but have a software development background. I usually read this forum and learn from it and hopefully got to the point when I can also contribute.

After owning Genos for about two years I’ve got mixed feelings about this keyboard. On one hand - I like a lot its sounds and the plethora of styles provided by the community, on the other hand, I see that in some places it’s rather an “unfinished” product, or at least there is room for improvement in many areas.
Since I do believe Yamaha reads this respected forum, hopefully, they’ll also come across this post and will take into consideration the items I’ll raise here :)

I also won’t talk about things that are obviously bugs and should be fixed, only RFE (requests for enhancements). I also won’t mention here the obviously “big things” (those requiring a really big investment and a significant development effort), and will rather concentrate on relatively small (well some are not that small) purely software updates that "conceptually" probably can be done even in firmware upgrades (of course I don’t know how its implemented under the hood so I can’t say for sure, it’s just my feeling)

Also some disclaimers:
English is not my native language, so I apologize in advance if I’ve made my points not clear enough. I’ll be happy to monitor this thread and explain myself better if needed
I also realize that some of these points might have been raised already by other users.

Anyway, I came up with 30 items for Yamaha :)
So here I go:

I’ll start with a style creator. This feature alone can be improved a lot even with software updates I believe
  • Event editor - solo mode. When I edit, say drums I can certainly choose “solo” and turn off (mute) other channels to see how it sounds, however when I enter the event editor - for some reason, this solo-mode gets “canceled” and all the tracks start playing - I think this is wrong and we should (preferably from the step editor window itself) be able to switch on the “solo mode” for the instrument that is being edited right now
  • Event editor - Filtering by note range/mask. Step editor has a filtering ability - we can show/hide controllers, notes, etc. However what if I want to see only certain notes. Example. I have a Drums track that goes like C, F#, F#, F# | C F# F# F# (two bars). Now I would like to see only a note “F#” because I want to change, say its length across the whole variation. I could “Filter by note range” and then use the multi-select feature to achieve what I want. Of course, in this case, I could go manually one by one over six notes, but in more sophisticated cases it way less convenient
  • Event editor - more convenient editing of specific notes. Now to me, this is kind of confusing. Yahama has introduced the touch screen, which is great for most people I believe, so why not utilize its power? For example: if I navigate to a certain note/note parameter (a cell in the grid is a technical term for this I think), why I have to consequently press those “on-screen” arrows - I kind of cursor-based navigation implementation from the previous “non-touch” era? Why not simply touching the required field and move the ”focus” there right away?
  • Event Editor - inputting the data in a more convenient manner. This is a “continuation” from the previous user story. Let’s say I want to change the length of a certain note. So I navigated to the relevant cell. But now I’m stuck with the wheel / or by pressing hardware buttons. In previous models, we had +10/-10 change rate, but I haven’t found any way of doing this in the Genos. Ok, maybe I’ve missed something here, but in addition to this, why not provide an ability to enter the desired number right away (a simple widget with numbers and “Enter”). IMO Yamaha could support both ways of modification (also to keep pleased the users that came from the previous models and to take advantage of the new methods)
  • Event editor - Multi-Select function - introduce absolute/relative modes to edit different parameters at once. Here is an example of what I mean. If I have, say 8 notes, all with velocity 50 and I want to set them to, say, 70 - I can use a multi-selection mode to do so. However, what if out of these 8 notes, the recorded velocities are, say, 50,45,50,45,... If my goal is to “select” them all in a multi-selection mode and assign them the value of 70, I can’t really achieve that easily. If multi-selection could work in “absolute” mode - it could be way easier to work with it.
  • Allow a “staff view” in the style editor. Sometimes it’s way easier to see the staff representation than the list of events like in the event editor. Since there is already an implemented module for “rendering” the midi sequence as a staff - it could be great to see it integrated into the style creator as well.
  • Style creator overall. Utilize A-F buttons. I understand the idea of making fewer hardware buttons due to the touchscreen - Great. But currently, even existing buttons A-F that could be extremely convenient  - they just don’t work when we enter the style creator. I’ve assigned the button F to turn off touch sensitivity because sometimes in the style creation mode I’ve found it easier to enter all the notes with the same velocity, but I have to “remember” to do that before I enter the style creator. Another example - on Genos there is no dedicated “Mixer” button, so I’ve assigned “A” button to call up the mixer. However, it doesn’t work (direct access + variation is another way to call it) but it’s all about usability. I understand that some of the functions that the user has assigned might not be applicable in the style creation mode, however, how about make this mapping dynamic, namely introduce an ability to assign functions that are applicable in the style creator to A-F buttons so that they’ll keep working.
  • Style Creator - quantization during the recording. When we start to record it could be great to add a quantization facility so that the recorded notes would be quantized
  • Auditioning of different chords within the style creator. Currently, if we want to listen to how the recorded part sounds when I play different chords - I have to exit the style creator first, If I would like to change something there, I’ll enter the style creator again. So entering-exiting the style creator, while I’m in the edition, sounds conceptually wrong, I believe all the auditions should be in place. One way to achieve that is merely providing an “audition” button (on screen, or if item 7 was implemented mapping to the A-F button).
  • Style creator support for “Mix-in” track. Sometimes I would like to record Kick on one track (Rhythm 2) and snare on Track 1 (to keep it simple for the sake of example). So I edit both and now would like to merge them onto one track. The “reverse” operation of extracting certain parts (note filter) to a different track could be also useful.
  • More "overall track manipulation functions" in style creator mode: stuff like provide crescendo on bars 1-2 of the recorded part.
  • Introduce the concept of a clipboard for midi events. Now this feature alone could be way more powerful than the existing copy bars. It’s more global than the style creator module, but I still think I can list it there. We could say, enter the multi-pad editor or even open up a midi right on the instrument, then copy midi events into the global clipboard and paste it in the style creation mode. The same could work the other way around - so that we could create a multi-pad part out of the style track
  • Add an ability to create custom arpeggio - I know many users have requested it.
  • If the previous item is implemented - a style creator / multi-pad creator could be used to implement “create a track from arpeggio”. An ability to create style / multi-pad tracks from an existing arpeggio is still welcome and has its own merits, but why not taking a step further?
  • Add CASM editor in the style creator. The situation where there are some third-party solutions for the operations that power users do anyway is kind of crazy considering the price of the keyboard. I know many people have requested it, so I’ll just add up my vote :)
  • The previous feature (CASM editor) could come with an ability to assign channels 1-8 to some parts and it could be reflected in the UI of the style creator as well.
  • Guitar mode improvement. The decision to assign notes D,E,F,G,A,B to mimic guitar strings leads to the (I can’t find the right word in English) - probably maybe “cacophony” in the sound of the recorded guitar part. Of course, we can get accustomed to it, but it’s confusing at least... Ideally, the guitar mode like it exists in “KO**” competitor brand could be a step in the right direction, but the current implementation doesn’t really help much IMHO.
  • Better implementation of multi pads creation module. Basically, as I see it the same editing (including quantization, partial copying of certain bars, etc) that are available (or could be available ;) ) in the style creator mode could be also applicable in the multi-pad editor.
  • Song sequencer - probably is also subject to the integration of the same features like I’ve described above. I personally don’t use it much because it’s too limited in functionality. I see it equal in editing capabilities to the style creator.
  • Live performance improvement. Manual bass is one such feature: All the tracks of the style being played remain the same, but the bass goes to “manual mode”, the left part could be automatically switched to the “voice” of that bass (with optionally assigned effects and everything) and let the performer play the bass part by itself. Again could be done as a dedicated button in future models or at least provide an ability to assign to one of the existing buttons (like was done with the “Fade” function)
  • Multipad better operability. Ok, it might be subjective, but stopping the multi-pad by pressing “stop” and the multi-pad button itself while holding the “stop” button, during the live play is really hard.
    As an alternative why not simply:
    - Single click - start the multi-pad
    - Click it again - turn it off
    - Double click - sync mode
    - Stop button - stop all the multi-pads that are being currently played.
  • Improve the UI of multi-effects assigned to the same part. Since it is technically possible to assign more than one effect to the part, it should be reflected in UI. Currently, the UI is rather limited as it is able to show only one effect. Now If it’s musically unreasonable (I personally don’t have a use case for it, but I’m not a pro player as I said) - then do not allow multi-effects assigned to the same voice part…
  • Search Improvement. Currently, we have the ability to search “overall” (I the index file I assume). And the results are 10 first pages of entries - whatever it is, styles, voices, whatever. However how about letting the users specify the place where to search (in a specific folder, user memory, USB drive, in expansions, etc)?
  • Search improvement - clean up / rebuild the index. Ok, this is a kind of advanced feature and I realize that the synthesizer has a background process that rebuilds the index of the found items however in cases we change connect/disconnect the USB or changing it we could have an option to clean up the cache to avoid showing stale results.
  • Navigation - sorting support. Currently, the found items are sorted by name, but maybe we could sort by modification date, Icon, or preset first than items found in user, and then found in expansion memory…
  • Navigation - unified categorization between Present styles as User styles / Expansion styles. Similar to the Icons - we could be able to name (or specify internally in the style) the category/genre of the style so that the tabs-per-genre will be accessible also for user styles or expansion. The same is applicable to the voices of course
  • Give access to all the icons that are supported in the synthesizer anyway.
  • The Capital Letter in the keyboard issue - I’m sure many users have complained about that - to put it simply: when we enter the first capital letter the second letter should be regular automatically - all the phones/tablets work this way, so probably the synthesizer also should catch up :)
  • Allow seeing/editing parts of the preset style. The current situation is that the users try to “unlock” the style to allow its editing anyways, so probably Yamaha could consider changing its policy when it comes to the preset styles. So I can understand that idea of protecting the preset styles from rewriting - ok, but why not let the user copy the style to the user area or USB and allow the editing/style assembly function from the preset styles - this is something that I think could be improved.
  • More clear flow of saving the “registration memory” bank - currently it’s rather confusing and It took me some time to understand how to use it. One suggestion is “Init new registration memory bank” (a clear one). Then button “save as” - and that’s it.

Faithfully yours,
Mark
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Offline metcam

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #168 on: June 01, 2021, 10:33:45 PM »
Genos 2 ★ Genos ver.3.0 ★ 20 Wish list for new features at Yamaha Genos by Casper


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Offline Enildo

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #169 on: June 02, 2021, 09:24:29 PM »

After owning Genos for about two years I’ve got mixed feelings about this keyboard. On one hand - I like a lot its sounds and the plethora of styles provided by the community, on the other hand, I see that in some places it’s rather an “unfinished” product, or at least there is a place for improvement in many areas.
Since I do believe Yamaha reads this respected forum, hopefully, they’ll also come across this post and will take into consideration the items I’ll raise here :)


Hello Mark!

It will never be fully finished!
Congratulations on the points raised, I agree with everything you mentioned here.

Enildo
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Offline Mark

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #170 on: June 05, 2021, 11:11:39 PM »
Dear community,

I'll try to continue with the list of possible improvements of the instrument in the areas I've encountered.
Since I'm not a professional musician I don't really spend too much time with the instrument (I wish I had more time for it ;) )
I'm probably using around 40-50% of what this machine has inside (or maybe even less),
so I can talk only about the features I actually use.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that Genos is great (after all I've preferred it over other brands) and really like the product
so I'm sharing this list of possible improvements because sharing stuff like this can only benefit if Yamaha's representatives will
come over this list and will borrow some ideas from here.
I know that in the world of software development companies that stand behind the product maintain "official" bug tracking systems where the users can
submit found bugs, suggest/ask for enhancements, then people vote for the most "important" fixes/features they're interested in,
there are discussions around the features, the representatives of the company that actually develops the product provide feedback, participate in
these discussions - an entirely different reality.
I might be too "spoiled" and apparently, this is not what's happening in the world of keyboards (and I can only dream about this come true)
And I see that this place is probably the only way to share my thoughts as a regular user.

So again, I'll suggest possible improvements some of them can probably be done in the update,
others will require re-considering the style format
but nothing really ground-breaking - everything can be done at the level of the synthesizer itself I hope.
I also didn't really mention integration with the PC (including DAW and expansions)
because IMHO it's really a more professional thing
and I feel that I'm not really qualified enough to talk about these aspects of the instrument.

I might be missing some points - in this case, I would love to know that the items I'm talking about are really a non-issue and
there are easy solutions for that.

Anyways, here is a list of 15 additional suggestions.

  • Humanization in style creator
    Sometimes when we use a "step record" function the outcome sounds too robotic.
    It could be great if there was a "humanization" - something that can be applied only on one track
    and randomly change the time of the note and the note length.
    This could be implemented as a 'screen' in the style creator
    with a parameter of max offset length (the more allowed offset is
    the more skew from the original fully quantized part)
  • Style Creator Guitar mode -
    Since it's known that the part can be divided into up to 3 zones and for each of the zones we can assign NTR/NTT, RTR parameters
    It could be great to make this expressed in the style creator. Otherwise its kind of tricky to use various noises available in guitars
  • Ostinato support
    This is an interesting use case and I imagine the implementation might be somewhat "advanced".
    Sometimes the melodic parts can remain the same despite the chord change.
    One "straightforward" example from the modern music
    is Dua Lipa's Physical song where right from the beginning there is a "synthesizer" part
    that doesn't change whereas the chords progression goes like Am, F, C, G
    (well it changes slightly for the G part, but you know what I mean).
    I could use Root Fixed/Bypass probably to write it "as is" but this would mean
    that the part is "coupled to":
    - Chord progression (with other chords it probably will sound weird)
    - A particular scale
     At this point, I might be missing something
    but I've tried to make it and couldn't find a good way to do so (If it's possible with the current style creator - please
    let me know and I'll remove this item).

    Now the purpose as I see it is to make this part at least playable in different scales, and since it's supposed to be a "song style"
    probably it's kind of ok to make it bound to the particular chord progression.
    So the implementation of this feature would get as an input the "Ostinato" part and the desired chord progression
    and would "transform" the Root Fixed/Bypass NTR/NTT to something that doesn't depend on the scale.
    Something like DJ styles but for one particular part.
    An alternative is specifying right at the beginning of the part that this is how it's "meant to be played" when the first chord of the variation is Am. Then if the player will choose to play the variation in a different scale, the style engine would read this "label" calculate the difference and transpose all the notes in accordance with this kind of shift.
  • Style creator - save custom drum kits.
    This feature can be a really good addition to the idea of creating custom drum kit sets.
    Ok, I'm an amateur, but I assume that people who usually create the styles of the same genre have their preferred sound of kicks,
    snares, toms, etc. So giving an ability to save the custom drum kit that they prepare once would be really nice.
    I know it's possible to make an expansion sound of a drum kit, but I'm talking about the custom voices that can be done
    in the instrument itself.
  • Style creator - trigger parts by velocity threshold
    The feature is simple:
    If I play forte in the left hand, the style engine could turn on some additional parts. Maybe tutti or additional hi-hat if Yamaha will
    take it to another level and will allow this feature on drum kit per specific note and not just per the whole variation.
    Probably people will have to get used to it, but in some situations, it can be handy
  • Style creator
    Style assembly - copy at the level of bars and not the whole parts.
    Allow copying say bars 3,4 from somewhere into the current style
    Also, allow specifying target bars to copy to. Like "I would like to copy into bars 1-2 of the current variation that in general
    has a length of 4 bars"
  • Style creator copy/clear bars for all tracks at once.
    Here is an example that illustrates this use case.
    Let's say I have a variation of 8 bars, and I decide to shorten the variation by preserving bars 5-8 and erasing bars 1-4 altogether.
    So currently I have to do something like this:
    - Clear Bars 1 - 4 for each track
    - Copy  Bars 5 - 8 --> 1 - 4 for each track
    - Shorten the variation length
    Now this "for each track" thing is kind of annoying and allowing to make this kind of operations on the whole variation
    at once could make our lives a little bit better
  • Style creator - introduce chord variations in the style.
    I know that pretty much all competitor platforms allowed this modification. In "KO**" I know such a feature exists for ages and
    it allows 6 chord variations right as a part of the style. In Yamaha, it's also kind of possible by using channels 1-8 but
    in this case, the synthesizer doesn't allow any control on this. And since many professional styles (those done by Yamaha themselves)
    utilize this capability, we also would like to take advantage of this technique.
    Well, many people will say that style format is something that can't be easily changed -
    I understand that, but on the other hand
    SFF2 (AFAIK the last modification in style format) was introduced in Tyros 3 release in 2008 and now we're in 2021 -
    so maybe its time to move forward :)
  • Style Creator - track transpose (octave shift).
    Imagine that we record a track with different notes, usually in one octave
    C0, C0, E0, E0, G0 G0, A0, A0
    Now When I hear the track with this function I could move all the notes at once one octave up/down.
    For example, I could "apply" the function and the whole part would look like
    C1, C1, E1, E1, G1 G1, A1, A1
    Currently, I have to do it one-by-one for each note in the Step Edit window
  • Mixing - track transpose (octave shift)
    Just like the previous item but allowing it outside style creator, in the mixer.
    I know that we can shift octaves for right-hand parts,
    why not allow that for style parts (excluding drums/percussions of course)
  • Mixing - allow access to mixing individual keys in drum kits right from the mixer without the need to enter the style creator
    I think this feature can be handy for 3 different reasons
    1. Can be convenient during the live play sessions
    2. When We create a style and audition it - we have to do it outside the style creator, only because it's more convenient.
       I watched a great tutorial by Manoj on youtube where he suggests auditioning within style creator, and I realize that
       its the best we can do now, but then again, I assume that most of the people who create styles really know how to play
       different types of chord, and just pressing the right notes to audition the chord would be much easier for them.
    3. Conceptually it can be viewed as a part of a mixing process.
  • Better visibility of multi-pads.
    To put it simply - How can I see which sound is used when the particular multi-pad bank is selected?
  • An ability to easily assign an effect to the multi-pad. I know that we could utilize a variation effect for multi-pads.
    But since Genos has enough processing power to handle 28 insert effects simultaneously, it could be great if
    one of those insert effects could be assigned to multi-pads right through the mixer.
  • Favorites - introduce folders
    This one is really small but convenient.
    The "favorites" feature introduced in Genos and SX700/900 series AFAIK is really nice - I use it a lot when I want to create a style and
    I pick voices that might be a good fit for different tracks, then I chose one inside the style creator.
    Now, if we have more than one project to work on simultaneously, it could be great to allow custom folders in Favourites view.
    Pretty much like it was done in all the browsers. In other words, the structure of favorites can be hierarchical rather than flat.
  • Allow simple and fast access to the USB flash memory from both PC and Genos.
    Currently, in order to copy from the PC to the keyboard I'm aware of the following ways:
     - Use Yamaha Downloader software - well this one is pretty outdated and its UI is really awkward + is so slow
     - Use USB Storage Mode - this mode, in general, is great but it requires turning on / off the instrument
       so it's not really useful if I want to copy back and forth files during the work
     - Unplug the USB from the synthesizer and plug it into a PC, copy my stuff, then put it back into the synthesizer.
       This works of course, but I think (and hope) Yamaha can do better than the manual solution :)
     - Somewhat creative solution: Use a USB hub that allows access to the same USB drive from 2 computers. Pretty much like a KVM switch -
       with one click of the button PC gets the access to USB, then when we press it again - Genos gains access, etc.
       Like This item for example (https://www.ebay.com/i/203047836203) (Disclaimer - I'm not affiliated with this company or something,
       I've just bought this device and it works for me, probably there are other similar products that will also do the job just fine)
    I might be missing something, but AFAIK, there is no way to grant access to a USB device plugged into Genos from PC so that
    PC will "recognize" Genos without a need to restart the instrument in "USB storage mode".

Thanks and regards,
Mark
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Offline Amwilburn

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #171 on: June 18, 2021, 07:49:10 PM »
I did not think Korg used Multi Pads.

I just checked the flagship Korg Pa4x. I'd never even thought about it, but yes, there *are* 4 buttons called "Pads"; works quite well too... of the 4 simultaneous, you can swap which ones you want by tapping on the touchscreen. On Yamaha of course, you can run 4 different ones from 4 different MP patterns, but there's no visual confirmation of what you're playing.

Being able to see on screen that MP1 is a bassline, MP2 is a latin drum loop, MP3 is a piano arpeggiator and MP4 is a guitar strummer *is* a feature I'd definitely want to see on future Yamahas (currently you can only see the last selected Yamaha MP set, not necessarily what the other 3 multipads are playing). I will bring this up next time I talk to them,

Mark

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #172 on: July 19, 2021, 10:41:35 PM »
Hi
Another big handy thing would be to load as many sounds on USB and load what you want to use on to the Genos 3.
This in other words,able to load your own samples which can be megabyte hungry one at a time without having to make a base file and import packs quick install incrementally.
Just would be nice just to import Sf2 sound files separately without having to reformat.
A better Yem would be nice to. Looks like a ZX Spectrum program :D :D :D

Also a pro score reader
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Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #173 on: July 19, 2021, 10:47:26 PM »
I wish Genos2 could be 61 keys, but don't think that will happen. It would then be much more convenient to take out on gigs!
Toril S

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and PSR-47.
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #174 on: July 20, 2021, 10:53:31 AM »
I fully agree with Toril.🤓

Yamaha has to produce a Genos2 61 and a Genos2 76.

Regards, JH


Offline Fred Smith

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #175 on: July 20, 2021, 12:23:28 PM »
I fully agree with Toril.🤓

Yamaha has to produce a Genos2 61 and a Genos2 76.

Regards, JH

Won’t happen. Clavinova is 88 keys, Genos 76, PSR 61.

Cheers,
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Online EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #176 on: July 20, 2021, 02:42:17 PM »
SX series is the 61 note version.

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #177 on: July 20, 2021, 03:42:11 PM »
I feel sorry Yamaha will never produce a 61 keys Genos version.

I am living in a small apartment, no room for a 76 k keyboard though.
It is what it is.
I have to accept it.

Best regards, JH
 

Offline overover

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #178 on: July 20, 2021, 09:34:26 PM »
I am completely happy with the size of the Genos. It is only 94 mm wider than Tyros5-61 (but 113 mm less than Tyros5-76!).

I don't think Yamaha will produce a Genos successor in two different versions (like the Tyros5).


Best regards,
Chris
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Offline Toril S

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #179 on: July 20, 2021, 09:44:38 PM »
I have them both, and you are right chris, the Genos is lighter than the T5-61. I am happy with it, but the people driving me to gigs all have small cars, so I tend to end up taking my PSR 975!!
Toril S

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and PSR-47.
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #180 on: July 20, 2021, 10:03:08 PM »
After the 9000Pro everybody believed Yamaha should stop
the production of a 76 k high end arranger keyboard for ever.

The Tyros 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all 61 k versions.

Then the Tyros5 came in two versions  : 61 and 76 keys.

Nowadays we all seem to accept there will never be
another 61 k Genos version.

Time will tell but I am still hopeful though.
Wishful thinking, I guess ? 😀

Best wishes, JH

Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #181 on: July 22, 2021, 04:41:20 PM »
Hi
the more keys the better
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #182 on: July 22, 2021, 05:29:00 PM »
............
Wishful thinking, I guess ? 😀

I think so, and it's also wise of Yamaha to keep it that way.
They probably trying to make a difference between the 'pro' and home market.
Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Offline jugge

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #183 on: July 22, 2021, 07:31:15 PM »
I wish Genos2 could be 61 keys, but don't think that will happen. It would then be much more convenient to take out on gigs!

+1
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #184 on: July 22, 2021, 09:10:03 PM »
📝
Some time ago, I did mention in one or more threads here at the forum a wish for a 'new' feature in next update or model.
I also wrote a mail to Yamaha techies / support about it, and got a reply where they said it was impossible to do such change (or imrovement as I would call it).
Well, Roland and Korg has this feature, (also Ketron if I remember it correctly), and it has been a part of their OS and models as long as I can remember.

I'm not 'professional' trained, nor any good at play a new key on the fly or in a hurry. If I've learned to play a song in certain key, it's a kind of glued into my brain and fingers. It takes time to 'reorganise'. Sometimes there is a need to change key and all that sudden the transpose button can be helpful
But, in opposite to Korg and Roland, the display show the chord for the actual pressed keys, not the sound coming out of the speakers.
It's not the worst problen in the world, but it would be a lot more convient (at least for me) if the display show the sounding / outgoing chord if / when transpose button is activated. 🎹🎵
Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Offline J. Larry

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #185 on: July 22, 2021, 09:38:04 PM »
Happiness?  Genos owners get a new, much improved model with everything from the wish list.  Us SX 61-note players get a new model that includes, basically, the sound and features of the present Genos.
 

Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2021, 08:50:41 AM »
At the end of 2017 the Genos (1) has been launched.
The Genos (1) is almost 4 years on the market now.
Time for an upgrade ?

The SX700 and SX900 serie came 2 years later ( 2019 ) and the SX600 has been added recently.

I wonder when new Yamaha and Korg high end arranger keyboards will be introduced.
At the end of this year, next year ( 2022 ) or later ?

Will the Genos successor be called Genos2 ?

Regards, JH


Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #187 on: August 08, 2021, 06:59:12 PM »
Hi
When is this new Genos coming?? :)
It must be on the drawing board by now.
All the Best
John :)
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Offline Ingar

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #188 on: October 20, 2021, 08:30:36 AM »
HI everybody!

"GENOS2 "  probably will be lunched 2 years from now so probably 2021.


Please write here any your wish  and idea,sugestions.


As we know Yamaha read this forum and They already inplement a lot of wishes and ideas in past.

BEST REGARDS and Thank you YAMAHA.
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #189 on: October 20, 2021, 09:16:51 AM »
I do not expect a new Genos nor a new SX serie before 2024 ... IF Yamaha have still the intention to continue the production of NEW high end Arranger Keyboards.

Wished I am wrong though ...  8)

Take care, JH
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Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #190 on: October 28, 2021, 10:56:49 PM »
Hi
I emailed Yamaha UK and asked then if there is a Genos 3 on the drawing board and all i got back was The Genos at the moment is the Flagship.
Same answer as a politician i'm afraid.
Even the Customer Service is treated like a mushroom.
Looks like nothing for a long while to come 8) ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :'( ;D

All the Best
John
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Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #191 on: October 29, 2021, 10:07:01 AM »
Genos is having a very, very happy marketing life.
Lack of delivery for missing raw materials (chip....), everyone looking for Genos around the world, competition not making "pressure" with new high end products.
Also as a consequence of it, Genos is being considered more and more no.1 arranger and became something like a benchmark.

In this situation I would be very surprised if Yamaha would stop this primacy by introducing in the market a new flagship.

I guess, of course, that they are working in designing a next generation arranger, but i would be a suicide to present it in a short time. I guess.....

Genos is an excellent instrument, still very strong on the market, and could be further strengthened with a new version of software (think about the many, many suggestions given by members on this Forum...... Even a small part of them would represent a robust OS update).

IMHO....

Ciao

Angelo

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Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #192 on: October 29, 2021, 12:35:35 PM »
Hi
How long will a Genos last as computers seem to go bonk after about 6 to 7 years.
There is no spinning hard disk in the keyboard so it should last quite a few years
What do the electronic experts think of the life of a Genos.
Also would Yamaha repair a Genos indefinitately if things were to go upside down or not support it after a while like Microsoft do with windows systems.
All just a thought. I think the Genos is a great instrument and hard to beat.


All the best
john :)
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Offline Jeff Hollande

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #193 on: October 29, 2021, 02:28:55 PM »
I fully agree the Genos is the best arranger keyboard on the market for the time being and probably for the next 2 years.

Price increased by 10% ?
 Lead time : approx. 6 months  ?

Some dealers might have some stock yet ? I do not think so.

Question : Will Yamaha continue the production of new high end arranger keyboards AFTER the Genos ?
Wait and see.


JH
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Online EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #194 on: October 29, 2021, 04:26:53 PM »
Hi John,
  Most Yamaha keyboards seem to go on forever.

 

Offline mikf

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #195 on: October 29, 2021, 05:41:30 PM »
If it’s only home use, with  decent care and some luck these keyboards last much more than 6 of 7 years. And in any case there will always be something even better which comes along to replace them. And for what they are, the cost is not high, so it’s not unreasonable to upgrade to something new somewhere in the 5 - 8 year range. That would probably put the cost of staying pretty current only about $600/year. Not a lot to spend nowadays on a major hobby or pastime.
Mike
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Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #196 on: October 29, 2021, 05:44:46 PM »
Also would Yamaha repair a Genos indefinitately...........

Dear John,

besides Genos I own a Clavinova CVP 309 Polished Ebony, from 2005 (16 years now...). In February 2021 one key lost the velocity feature and I called the Yamaha Service in Roma, where I live. In a few days the technician came to my home and replaced ALL the contacts for the keyboard, and the felters (these parts were at the Yamaha lab in Roma, no need to order). Clavinova is back to new!

This example gives an idea of the excellent support Yamaha provides for many years. Microsoft operates in a totally different area of merchandises, where a new model of computer is produced many times per year.

I wouldn't worry for this matter  :D

Ciao

Angelo
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Offline ugawoga

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #197 on: October 30, 2021, 12:22:13 AM »
Hi John,
  Most Yamaha keyboards seem to go on forever.
Hi Eileen

That is comforting to know
Anyway back soon with the  the music as all going faster now.
The mixing is getting better.
It was weird getting used to flat response when recording but using reference tracks has got me on the right track.
In Cubase i switch back and forward so i do not lose the hearing of  flat and not flat
Just recently i had a dizzy spell with a waxed up ear, but the Otex sorted that out . Put me back a couple of weeks
The sound from the Genos is great, so i have now learnt that not to much to change when finishing a mix.
I do find that a few sounds have unwanted artifacts in them and they are  easily eq'd out on the computer.
All in all it is a hard machine to beat. On the other hand VST is more precise and superior with a lot of sounds, which i am experimenting with now.Saxes so far are better on the Genos though. So swings a roundabouts
Still the Genos goes well alongside VST.

All the Best
John
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Online EileenL

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #198 on: October 30, 2021, 11:42:11 AM »
Hi John,
  Never used a VST in my life and never wanted to. Always bought an instrument because I just wanted to sit and play it and convey my thought and feelings of the moment. Played for lots of various occasions over the years where they wanted and were paying for Live Music. My keyboard travelled many miles and always looked as good as new when I sold them. Not once did they ever let me down.


Offline mikf

Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
« Reply #199 on: October 30, 2021, 12:40:46 PM »
There is quite a bit of variation in the musical interests on this forum. The growth of features on these TOTL arrangers to what I think of as music production has seen more posts in recent times relating to recording, associated software and sound manipulation.  As a musician I have dealt with poor sound quality a lot over the years, but it’s now so good even on quite modest equipment, that I personally can’t get too fired up about chasing what I hear are quite small, almost indiscernible differences in sound. But if high quality sound production is their interest it’s certainly much more available and cost effective today than it was in the past.
Mike