Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)

[Joe H]

My with all this stuff added when do you get time just to sit down and play the instrument and even record a song we can all enjoy.

We all use our keyboard in a different way.  I play all the time, but it's my original music.  I don't play other peoples' music. I like lots of different sounds and the added expressiveness of being able to manipulate the sounds as well. It's a matter of whatever brings us pleasure.

"To each his own"



Joe H

[Bachus]

My with all this stuff added when do you get time just to sit down and play the instrument and even record a song we can all enjoy.

Probably never..

I play only with my headset on..
For my own enjoyment, and stress relieve..

As soon as i need to play for others (which i tried many time sin the past)
I get extremely nervous..
So i decided its not worth the fuzz and a nervbreak to play for others or record myself
I play music as a stressreleive from the office, and not as something that causes me stress

[Joe H]

... full access to all msb/lsb banks for external use with synth hardware...

Yes, currently Yamaha arrangers only support the MSB/LSB used by the keyboard... including the MSB 063 for expansion Voices. 

I bought a midi solutions "Event Processor" which allows you to remap the MSB to different MSB. I did this for my Analog plug-in card which uses the MSB 036.  I created a "dummy pack" for 2 AN card Voice Banks.  When I select the (dummy pack) Voices from my S970, the keyboard transmits MSB 063 and the Event Processor changes that to 036.  It works great.  I haven't tried it yet, but if you choose LSB for your dummy pack different than your regular expansion packs , then I think it is possible to remap both the MSB and LSB to match any external instrument. You can program the Event Processor to remap up to 16 MIDI messages for different external instruments. The programming is done in the Rich Text Format (RTF).

Event Processor for 16 MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm

There is also the Event Processor Plus - processes 32 differnt MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm

Joe H

[Bachus]

Yes, currently Yamaha arrangers only support the MSB/LSB used by the keyboard... including the MSB 063 for expansion Voices. 

I bought a midi solutions "Event Processor" which allows you to remap the MSB to different MSB. I did this for my Analog plug-in card which uses the MSB 036.  I created a "dummy pack" for 2 AN card Voice Banks.  When I select the (dummy pack) Voices from my S970, the keyboard transmits MSB 063 and the Event Processor changes that to 036.  It works great.  I haven't tried it yet, but if you choose LSB for your dummy pack different than your regular expansion packs , then I think it is possible to remap both the MSB and LSB to match any external instrument. You can program the Event Processor to remap up to 16 MIDI messages for different external instruments. The programming is done in the Rich Text Format (RTF).

Event Processor for 16 MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm

There is also the Event Processor Plus - processes 32 differnt MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm

Joe H

Thanks, good tip looks like a usefull workaround..

On the ipad i am using camelot pro as a work around...
It works kind of like a middleman..
On the mac, mainstage kind of solved this for me..

But it would be nice if yamaha started opening up Genos a little more..
Its still build very much build around the stand alone mentality..
It misses quite a lot of things to be considered a true master controller.

[Joe H]

... It misses quite a lot of things to be considered a true master controller.

I agree completely. The Genos has great potential to be a master controller keyboard.  Yamaha just has to take the next step. Slowly the buyers of arranger keyboards are changing and demanding more capabilities and features. When there is enough of us... Yamaha will respond to the market.

Joe H

[Bachus]

I agree completely. The Genos has great potential to be a master controller keyboard.  Yamaha just has to take the next step. Slowly the buyers of arranger keyboards are changing and demanding more capabilities and features. When there is enough of us... Yamaha will respond to the market.

Joe H

Actually they have moving in that direction..
But sadly with the speed of an old snail..

[Joe H]

    

Joe H

[Zaurafon]

Yamaha Genos V2.0.1 Bugs & Problems And some shortcomings

1. If you drop all the sliders down and restart the button you will see that all the parameters will be 100 except for Song A.

2. If you put two or three Insert effects in one voice and change a parameter to all effects and save it to the registration memory, you will see that it will save only the parameters from the last effect you have selected will reset to default Mode. That is, 40 as it originally was. This problem is valid from version 1.40 onwards. That is, the sound I saved before version 1.40 Everything works fine.

3. Does not store sounds in OTS with two or three Insert effects. That is, do I have to select a sound that does not have more than one effect to put it in OTS? I don't think that makes sense.

4. Drum Setup at Style Creator No more than 70 Drum Kits from Expansion. And what he brings out is in order. I have my own packages, I have purchased packages, and I have a lot of REX Files and I can't use them in Drum Setup. and it would be a good idea to put together a list search like the previous models. Imagine turning the washer until you find what you want.

5. I would like to create a style and use a mega voice bass to be able to write on a channel and Play and Slide Gliss And Noise which is in the upper octave after the C6 note. That is to say, if I write on one channel all that changing chord will change the top notes C6 And up While this should be a fix. As in the factory. The factory rhythms are so written while not allowing us to do so why?

6. We'd like to add us to Style Creator Different Signatures in any Variations. Or at least in Fills We can write at least 2 Measure.

7. To the style creator In the Assembly option We can copy Rhythm1-2 paste to any other bank of the same type and upside down.

8. Please add CASM Editor to Style Creator. Why not have the option of writing as factory rates are written?

9. The MP3 player from the first version to this day has problems. Example if I have say 100 songs in the stick from the 100 to 70 and they will appear in the Playlist And from those 70 again it will bug me in some songs.

10. We would like to add the Link Volume Level feature to the mixer. This would help us to mix the rhythms and songs quickly and correctly. That is, they happen to give me a rhythm that is written much louder than the factory rhythm; this would help to lower the sound quickly and efficiently.

11. In Scale Tune we would like Cent to go + -99. So that we can make sounds like Terca, for example. As it is now + -64 Except for the Arabic ladder it doesn't help us in anything.

12. Add to the MultiPad Creator, the Quantize option. As it would be great for Style Creator to add the export To MultiPad option to one of the channels.

13. We can set the Volume on each Pad separately in MultiPads. As is the case with Audio Link MultiPad. In MultiPads Change EQ parameters. The Insert effects feature. And the option in the settings can work as a start stop on the Pads. That is, the first push plays the Pad, the second push stops the Pad.

14. We'd like to voice in Legato Portamento in Poly Mode. This helps in the Reality of the violin. As an example of Oriental Strings.
And Fix Portamento Time In Crossfade Mode. That is when you have Portamento Time Indicator 0 There is a great Timing Between the two notes, While it should normally pass faster and sharply.

15. Make editing option among Insert effects. That is, if I have put in two or three effects in a sound and want to change parameters in one of the effects, I first have to close the effect and reopen it so that I can select it. Otherwise I can only tease out the last effect I have added to Echo. In a nutshell if I want to go back to the first effect I've added and edit a parameter I need to get Mixer, effects, Assign Part Settings, find the effect I want to edit, close it and reopen it so I can tease after the parameters)))

16. Add the option when in home mode We can set the washer where we want it. Example BPM tempo shift. Why do I press the tempo button first and then turn the washer?

Yamaha Expansion Manager

17. Add Element Copy Paste From Another Voice. That is, I have a sound ready and I want to get an Element And put it in another sound that I make to not load the samples again An One.

18. Why can't I edit Rom Sounds? Example to Change Note Range Ή to Change Velocity Range? That I could tease up to PSR 9000, Tyros1-2-4 Here's why I can't do these things?

19. And I would add Sample Edit, Loop Edit. Just examples I have some sounds that have not been set Right or Loops, How can I fix if I don't have the original samples In SF2 format or Wave, AIFF?))) In Motif and Montage Again there is good John Melas. Who will help us here?)))
Let's add at least export In SF2 format So we can do something.

20. I would like to add the Note Relase feature. That is, letting the note reproduce the sound. This exists in factory sounds because it doesn't exist in users?

21. We want to define the Elements The Art 1-2-3 buttons. Why Do I Have Three Useless Buttons When Using User Sounds?

[Bachus]

Yamaha Genos V2.0.1 Bugs & Problems And some shortcomings

1. If you drop all the sliders down and restart the button you will see that all the parameters will be 100 except for Song A.

2. If you put two or three Insert effects in one voice and change a parameter to all effects and save it to the registration memory, you will see that it will save only the parameters from the last effect you have selected will reset to default Mode. That is, 40 as it originally was. This problem is valid from version 1.40 onwards. That is, the sound I saved before version 1.40 Everything works fine.

3. Does not store sounds in OTS with two or three Insert effects. That is, do I have to select a sound that does not have more than one effect to put it in OTS? I don't think that makes sense.

4. Drum Setup at Style Creator No more than 70 Drum Kits from Expansion. And what he brings out is in order. I have my own packages, I have purchased packages, and I have a lot of REX Files and I can't use them in Drum Setup. and it would be a good idea to put together a list search like the previous models. Imagine turning the washer until you find what you want.

5. I would like to create a style and use a mega voice bass to be able to write on a channel and Play and Slide Gliss And Noise which is in the upper octave after the C6 note. That is to say, if I write on one channel all that changing chord will change the top notes C6 And up While this should be a fix. As in the factory. The factory rhythms are so written while not allowing us to do so why?

6. We'd like to add us to Style Creator Different Signatures in any Variations. Or at least in Fills We can write at least 2 Measure.

7. To the style creator In the Assembly option We can copy Rhythm1-2 paste to any other bank of the same type and upside down.

8. Please add CASM Editor to Style Creator. Why not have the option of writing as factory rates are written?

9. The MP3 player from the first version to this day has problems. Example if I have say 100 songs in the stick from the 100 to 70 and they will appear in the Playlist And from those 70 again it will bug me in some songs.

10. We would like to add the Link Volume Level feature to the mixer. This would help us to mix the rhythms and songs quickly and correctly. That is, they happen to give me a rhythm that is written much louder than the factory rhythm; this would help to lower the sound quickly and efficiently.

11. In Scale Tune we would like Cent to go + -99. So that we can make sounds like Terca, for example. As it is now + -64 Except for the Arabic ladder it doesn't help us in anything.

12. Add to the MultiPad Creator, the Quantize option. As it would be great for Style Creator to add the export To MultiPad option to one of the channels.

13. We can set the Volume on each Pad separately in MultiPads. As is the case with Audio Link MultiPad. In MultiPads Change EQ parameters. The Insert effects feature. And the option in the settings can work as a start stop on the Pads. That is, the first push plays the Pad, the second push stops the Pad.

14. We'd like to voice in Legato Portamento in Poly Mode. This helps in the Reality of the violin. As an example of Oriental Strings.
And Fix Portamento Time In Crossfade Mode. That is when you have Portamento Time Indicator 0 There is a great Timing Between the two notes, While it should normally pass faster and sharply.

15. Make editing option among Insert effects. That is, if I have put in two or three effects in a sound and want to change parameters in one of the effects, I first have to close the effect and reopen it so that I can select it. Otherwise I can only tease out the last effect I have added to Echo. In a nutshell if I want to go back to the first effect I've added and edit a parameter I need to get Mixer, effects, Assign Part Settings, find the effect I want to edit, close it and reopen it so I can tease after the parameters)))

16. Add the option when in home mode We can set the washer where we want it. Example BPM tempo shift. Why do I press the tempo button first and then turn the washer?

Yamaha Expansion Manager

17. Add Element Copy Paste From Another Voice. That is, I have a sound ready and I want to get an Element And put it in another sound that I make to not load the samples again An One.

18. Why can't I edit Rom Sounds? Example to Change Note Range Ή to Change Velocity Range? That I could tease up to PSR 9000, Tyros1-2-4 Here's why I can't do these things?

19. And I would add Sample Edit, Loop Edit. Just examples I have some sounds that have not been set Right or Loops, How can I fix if I don't have the original samples In SF2 format or Wave, AIFF?))) In Motif and Montage Again there is good John Melas. Who will help us here?)))
Let's add at least export In SF2 format So we can do something.

20. I would like to add the Note Relase feature. That is, letting the note reproduce the sound. This exists in factory sounds because it doesn't exist in users?

21. We want to define the Elements The Art 1-2-3 buttons. Why Do I Have Three Useless Buttons When Using User Sounds?

May i ask, whats the reason you want to keep Yem? And not put all those features inside the Genos?

[Zaurafon]

May i ask, whats the reason you want to keep Yem? And not put all those features inside the Genos?

There is no reason. The only reason they can leave YEM simply as an additional program to create sounds without Genos itself. Using any MIDI keyboard. What I wrote can be added and corrected with one version update.
If you notice there are several errors that are present in version 1.40
I wrote to them several times but they never

[AndyT]

One of the things I would really like is a well written manual. All to often I have to revert to forums and youtube. That wouldn't necessarily stop other people writing books
Just my 2 pence worth

[Luluc]

Hello all Genosphils,

My Genos is my first arranger keyboard.
So , I was wondering if each Genos owner was ready, probably in 2021, to buy a Genos2 keyboard and to shell out 4000 or 4500 bucks ?

I hope we can also consider an update, to move to software version 3.0 ? Many features requests can be implemented in the present Genos, but some requests need to redesign the user interface keyboard, adding here some new switches, or reducing the size of the keyboard, etc...

[Toril S]

No, I have had my Genos in just 4 months, so I can't see myself buying another one in a year! Instead I have kept my Tyros5, and I have an S975 too. If I buy a new keyboard now, it will be another PSR. Am tempted to get the XS900, but I have just two hands anyway, so I have to be satisfied with what I have now

[Bachus]

Hello all Genosphils,

My Genos is my first arranger keyboard.
So , I was wondering if each Genos owner was ready, probably in 2021, to buy a Genos2 keyboard and to shell out 4000 or 4500 bucks ?

I hope we can also consider an update, to move to software version 3.0 ? Many features requests can be implemented in the present Genos, but some requests need to redesign the user interface keyboard, adding here some new switches, or reducing the size of the keyboard, etc...

Once you have a Genos, you will learn that a Genos 2 will cost you like half
Because of good trade in prices..

[Luluc]

Once you have a Genos, you will learn that a Genos 2 will cost you like half
Because of good trade in prices..

Not so sure to get a new Genos 2 in 2021 at 2500$ or 3000$ ! Yamaha will need to consider this fact.

[soundphase]

I agree with Bacchus. It will be easy to sell our Genos at a good price when Genos 2 will appear. If a Genos 2 is 4200 and you sell Genos at 2400, your Genos 2 will cost you 1800... for around 4 years so, 37.5 by month, 1.25 by day...

[Gleston]

Hi
I´m new in this forum but a long time yamaha user.
There´s a feature that I always wanted in this kind of keyboard and never saw.

The style creator is a good tool for expand your presetations,but it could more automated and fast:

1) it can have a RANDOM button that takes parts of other styles and mount them in the one you are working. Maybe you could put some parameters , like choosing 5/10/20 styles from where the AI will pick the parts. Even from style in the USB drive.

2) I can see many parameters that you can program the AI to choose the parts.

3) The AI algorhytms like K.A.R.M.A  software that it´s uses in some high end yamaha keyboard could be used to create new styles. Once you like, after testing it, you save and uses in your presentation.

[Joe H]

My experience in building styles is to use Style Creator Assembly.  I have to try different style Parts to hear how they will blend with the other style Parts and often changing the Voices and other parameters of the mix. Software with a RANDOM feature is highly unlikely to produce good final results. Dumb software will never achieve the creativity of the human mind or spirit. You would still have to do a lot of MAJOR editing of the style to get it to sound good.

The best you can hope for is the Style Factory software which has a built-in data base of thousands style Parts and you can add you own, and still requires the process of editing for good final results.

http://www.emc-musicsoftware.de/eng-shop/eng-dscstf.htm#Top

Joe H

[mikey4u100]

Genos2 Wish List.

I am a novis player with a Genos having owned a Tyros 5. Please, Please bring back the tilting screen!

If it's not reflecting the ceiling light it reflects daylight coming through the window. No problem for a Tyros 5 as you just angled the screen, no problem.

Regards Mike (Sheffield)

[Toril S]

Amen to that, Mike! The screen of the Genos is actually tilting a little towards the player, but not enough. I want bigger fonts on style names as well!

[danand]

Since I'm on the market for "Genos 2" and I'm sure that even a "Genos 2" without all the suggested additions will be a huge update from my current set up, to be honest I don't have something to ask for.
The only one I have to ask is to get it in the market ASAP !!!
But it looks that after the COVID-19 shutdown even the most optimistic expectations for a release on Nov-Dec 2020 are now impossible to hit...

[Fred Smith]

Since I'm on the market for "Genos 2" and I'm sure that even a "Genos 2" without all the suggested additions will be a huge update from my current set up, to be honest I don't have something to ask for.
The only one I have to ask is to get it in the market ASAP !!!
But it looks that after the COVID-19 shutdown even the most optimistic expectations for a release on Nov-Dec 2020 are now impossible to hit...

Here's my prognostication. There won't be a Genos 2 before 2022.

Cheers,
Fred

[Oxford1035]

Here's my prognostication. There won't be a Genos 2 before 2022.

Cheers,
Fred

+1 l think the fact Yamaha released the new version 2 update hints it will be a while before they're ready to release a new model. l think the hit everyone is taking financially due to Covid will have a big bearing on a future release too.

Kind regards,

Russ

[ton37]

I wonder where (the shareholders of) Yamaha should make their money from?
Yamaha will not get rich from an free update / upgrade.

Marketing-wise I guess that about autumn of this year Yamaha will have to announce something new (on their usual mystic way  ) to put a new line on the market in spring 2021. The Yamaha Music division must generate income in order to survive. For sure, starting at 2017, The Genos (1) has had its longest time now .

Besides: it is not that difficult (it is not a Spacex  ). Many forummers have already indicated what can be improved about the current Genos. Technically not that complicated to upgrade the firmware/software. Just rearrange some buttons, put a larger tiltable display on it and there is the Genos 2. Done  ...

(I will wait for the PSR-SX1000 end 2021)

[Toril S]

The prices will go up. How many of us will afford a Genos 2?.

[ton37]

 Worldwide: lets say10.000 x 7000 =  $70.000.000,- , not bad at all 

[hans1966]

I would like to see in the new Genos a piano roll editor in Song Creator and Style Creator mode, this would be very useful.

It would also be good to have the possibility of direct sampling with all its editing parameters, without the need to resort to external software.

And last but not least. Include the possibility of a 16-track Audio sequencer with all waveform editing parameters included.

Regards. Hans

[Joe H]

I would like to see in the new Genos a piano roll editor in Song Creator and Style Creator mode, this would be very useful.

It would also be good to have the possibility of direct sampling with all its editing parameters, without the need to resort to external software.

And last but not least. Include the possibility of a 16-track Audio sequencer with all waveform editing parameters included.

Regards. Hans

It sounds like you looking for a hardware DAW.  Maybe one day we will see that offered.  I think as more people are using DAWs, they would like to see all those features on-board in a keyboard.  Many of those features are available in synth keyboards already, but I suspect it be awhile before we see them ported over to the arranger keyboard



Joe H

[EileenL]

I don't think we will see Genos 2 for some time.
I think that most people that buy these keyboards just want to play them as they are, as for live playing they have everything you would want. During the Corvid lock down we have seen so many lovely concerts given on Genos which has proved to many just how good this keyboard is without any additions.
I personally would hate to see DAW''s being added and would not want to pay the extra price involved
for a lot of fancy things being added that a lot would never use. In fact I don't think a lot of people use what is on the present Genos.

[Joe H]

EileenL,

Hopefully, if a hardware DAW is released it will be a separate model from Genos. I agree that the arranger as it is now is quite adequate in its features.  We have plenty of computer software thanks to the programmers here to do major editing of our files on a big monitor screen.

Joe H