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Offline voodoo

Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« on: June 12, 2019, 08:20:39 PM »
Hi,

last week I was at a rehearsal in a room of another band and there I played on a Yamaha P-105 digital piano. I was very impressed by the keybed and the sound. That was really fun.

So I decided to get the current model P-125, since I was looking for a mobile hammer piano keybed since a long time. I like it a lot, only 11 Kg and very compact, including many good sounds and even built in speakers, and supporting half pedaling.

But I am very surprised that most portable digital pianos in he price range under 1000$ do not have midi in/out connections. How do they think we should connect to external sound generators?

Ok, it has usb connection including midi and audio interface, so you can record midi and audio using smart pianist on iPad (or DAW an Mac/PC).

But no traditional midi in/out means no connection to Genos.

Any ideas?

Uli
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 11:04:06 AM by voodoo »
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Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2019, 08:25:36 PM »
What you need is some interface or device that can function as a USB host device and route the MIDI back and forth between them. There are a number of such that you can choose from, ranging in price from under $100 to over $200. I'll try to post a list of links later.
Michael Rideout
Current keyboards: Yamaha YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443, PSR-EW400, MX49 BK
Current controllers: M-Audio Axiom 61-II
Previous keyboards: Farfisa Matador 611; Casio CTK-710
 

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2019, 07:50:57 AM »
Hi Uli,

please check your PM inbox! :)


Best regards,
Chris
 
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Offline voodoo

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2019, 12:36:18 PM »
hey all,

thanks for your replies so far. Helpful as always.

So as I read (thanks to Chris), there are small and affordable solutions for USB-Host-Midi solutions.

* Kenton Midi USB Host (the well known) for 124
* Miditech USB MIDI Host (79) (Midi In + Out)
* Mode Machines Cerebel USB V2 (59) (only MIDI out)

But all these solutions (found in the Yamaha forum) need external power supply over micro usb plug. So it is no nice solution as compared to a simple midi cable. :-|

As an alternative, I will try another solution

* Take an iPhone with any midi routing app (like Audiobus 3)
* Take a lightning to USB adapter (camera connection kit)
* Take a small passive 2-port USB hub
* Connect the Piano with a simple USB printer cable
* Connect the Genos with a USB cable or USB-to-Midi interface cable

So any smart phone can act as a USB host nowadays to connect any class compliant midi controller to the Genos.

And when an iPad is used with the Smart Pianist App, this iPad can be used to route the midi messages to the Genos as well.

(Or will they add midi class compliant usb host capabilities to Genos with firmware 1.4?)

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Yamaha P-125 Digital Piano
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline Yinon

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2019, 12:45:37 PM »
Hi Uli,

Excellent post, Like you are I'm looking for a heavier action piano to drive the Yamaha C7 sample on Genos.
The Casio PXS1000 and 3000 are supposed to be a great fit but no 5 pin Midi ports ... WHY???

This is so simple.

Please post if your routing solution works.
Thanks
 

Offline voodoo

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2019, 01:59:40 PM »
Hi Yinon,

nice to see, that others have the same idea. ;)

There are other candidates, too:

* Yamaha P-125: no midi out
* Roland FP-30: no midi out
* Kawai ES110: Yes, has midi in/out
* Casio PX-S1000: no midi out

So if you are looking for midi out, you should consider the Kawai ES110. It has a very good reputation, as well.

For me, the midi connection is not the highest prio. I like the Yamaha for these reasons:

* Comfortable user interface (more hardware buttons than the others) including split and layer.
* Half pedaling with my existing Yamaha FC3 pedal.
* USB connection to iPad including midi and audio interface. Thus allows to use the iPad as a sound generator.

Uli
« Last Edit: June 13, 2019, 02:06:37 PM by voodoo »
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Yamaha P-125 Digital Piano
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Offline DerekA

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2019, 02:31:52 PM »
I'd agree with Michael, a USB host is the simple solution.

Nowadays many power outlet strips also have a couple of USB power ports on them so it's not that hard to plug the host in alongside the main instrument.
Tyros5
 

Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2019, 03:20:49 PM »
I was going to post a nice list of URLs from the Keyboard magazine forums, but they were down for a server migration.

But if you can use a smartphone or tablet, that's good-- no need to buy anything else if you already have something that can do the job, especially if it's something you might already be using anyway to run one or more apps with your keyboard(s).

There's an iOS app called Midiflow that can do all sorts of MIDI routing and processing. :)
Michael Rideout
Current keyboards: Yamaha YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443, PSR-EW400, MX49 BK
Current controllers: M-Audio Axiom 61-II
Previous keyboards: Farfisa Matador 611; Casio CTK-710
 

Offline voodoo

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2019, 03:33:45 PM »
Michael,

thank you very much. This forum is always of great help.

Thank you for mentioning Midiflow. I like it very much. Audiobus 3 has a similar midi routing. And there are other apps like iMIDIPatchbay or midimittr. I will post some photos when I am done with experimenting. ;)

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Yamaha P-125 Digital Piano
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline voodoo

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2019, 03:35:07 PM »
But, not talking about midi connection:

has anybody tried the P-125 (or P-115)  and has an opinion about whether it is a good investment?

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Yamaha P-125 Digital Piano
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline Yinon

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2019, 04:25:23 PM »
Hi Uli,

Not sure if you are in the US.
Adormama dot com is having a sale today for Kawai ES8.

A new one will cost today $1199 with free shipping.
I ordered one.  8)
 

Offline voodoo

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2019, 10:33:58 AM »
Hi Uli,

Not sure if you are in the US.
Adormama dot com is having a sale today for Kawai ES8.

A new one will cost today $1199 with free shipping.
I ordered one.  8)

Thank you for this news. In Germany it costs 1329. But it has 22.5 kg, where as the P-125 has only 11.8 kg. So I will give the light one a first try. ;)

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Yamaha P-125 Digital Piano
Nord Electro 5D
 

Online frankmusik

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2019, 08:00:51 AM »
Hi Uli,
we use the sevillasoft adaptors USB to Midi ... they work fine and are cheap. (but for sure they also need power supply as the p- Serie also does!)

The industrie will remove MIDI more and more because not even 5% will ever use the midi connection in future ...
I see how midicable sales are getting down ... maybe in 5-10 years only for "vintage" use....

And for the yam pianos: most professionals using Midi take the CP Series or 515 including Midi :-)

greetings frank
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160 keyboardscouts helping in D-AT-CH-NL at home!
 

Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: Digital Piano Yamaha P-125 (but no midi in/out)
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2019, 11:24:31 AM »
I think MIDI DIN ports will probably always be available on high-end "pro" gear, although this might depend on how well MIDI DIN connectors and MIDI cables work with the new MIDI 2.0 specs, and whether something better (faster, etc.) is being developed.
Michael Rideout
Current keyboards: Yamaha YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443, PSR-EW400, MX49 BK
Current controllers: M-Audio Axiom 61-II
Previous keyboards: Farfisa Matador 611; Casio CTK-710