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Offline Cardoso

A consumer oriented keyboard
« on: January 27, 2019, 03:31:31 PM »
Hi,
about 3 years ago I sent an email to Yamaha, suggesting a new type of keyboard:
A non-arranger/non-workstation keyboard without all the hardware/buttons/knobs and circuitry to allow create and editing styles.
But with alot of factory styles like say 300 or more and allow full access to USB pens to import a good amount of external styles.
Also 76 keys would be nice, think of the PSR-EW410 with 400 styles.
Selling such keyboard for 600 or 700 euros would be unreasonable?
They could also create a software to allow creating styles on pc (but this is less important).
Never got a reply from Yamaha, not even to say "thanks for the suggestion".
I think such keyboard would be much more consumer friendly, at least for those with shallow pockets like me.
I belive they would sell millions of such keyboard, and allow less resourcefull folks to enjoy a nice keyboard.
What do you guys think of this idea: is it so ilogical/unreasonable?

 

Online Fred Smith

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2019, 04:16:00 PM »
I donít see much demand for this product. Iím betting itís less than 1000, not "millions".

I canít see that many people wanting to work on Sykes when there are so many readily downloadable.

Cheers,
Fred
Fred Smith,
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Sun Lakes, AZ
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Offline Cardoso

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2019, 05:17:59 PM »
Well I don't have that many for my PSR-E433, or atleast I haven't been able to find but an handfull.
If you happen to know where I can find a good assortment of styles for the PSR-E433 specially dance/disco I would appreciatte.
Maybe I didn't make my self clear.
The idea is not to create or edit Styles, but to have them readily available either on the instrument itself or to be possible to access a good assortment on the USB stick,
The PSR-E433 only allows 10 styles to be imported from the USB device. A much better option is to allow direct access to the styles on the USB device on the fly without having to send them to the  keyboard first.
So essentially what I would propose is a PSR-EW410 but with the styles of the PSR-S975, and no need for style creating/editing features whatsoever, just direct access for more on the USB device.

Offline Al Ram

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2019, 05:18:24 PM »
I believe there is such a keyboard already in the market.

There are several keyboards with built-in styles and they cost maybe $700 to $1,000.

Personally, i am not interested in creating styles because i do not have the time, skills or inclination. I am much more interested in playing the styles.

If you look around, i am sure you will find a keyboard similar to what you are describing.

thanks

AL
San Diego/Tijuana
 

Offline Cardoso

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2019, 05:37:05 PM »
Thanks,
that's just it I haven't been able to find any under 700 euros with 300 or more styles AND easy/direct access to hundreds more from the USB.
From what I been able to understand only Yamaha styles are so readily available, mainly because of  many individuals's enthusiasm and hard work and the help of this forum.
Other brands have the handicap of not being easy to collect many styles and have them readily available on a USB stick.
 

Offline panos

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2019, 05:55:08 PM »
Hi Cardoso and wellcome to the forum.
I wouldn't buy an E series model at the same price(600 euros) when the psr s670 cost that much and it's sound is far more better with all the other extra features on it ,4 mains and unlimited styles.
Even if an E series model had 88 keys.
As for the preset styles,no matter how many there are on a model,I wouldn't probably use a lot of them because lets say I don't play so many songs for all genres pf music and there are lot's of genres out there.
I would suggest to check a psr s670 or a used s650 for a lesser price.
Then you will have access to lots of dance styles and by using the "Assembly" function  to combine(copy-paste) the different parts of the styles, you can easily create new ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6pgWgs9jWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgGatUmhVqw&t=295s


https://jp.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/6/437256/psrs670_en_om_b0.pdf 
« Last Edit: January 27, 2019, 05:57:35 PM by panos »
 

Offline Cardoso

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2019, 07:22:16 PM »
Thanks Panos, I really liked it on youtube.
Do you think I would have too much trouble using the styles on the download area of this forum on the PSR-S670?
I really wouldn't want to go for the PSR-S775 it's  930Euros, too much for me.
 

Offline vbdx66

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2019, 08:05:50 PM »
Hi Cardoso,

Many styles found on the Forum will work on the PSR S670 and it has an onboard style editor. You would simply have to try out the styles for yourself to test whether they work or not.

You might also ask other S670 users on this forum, either in the Styles/OTS section or in the PSR S670/770/970 section whether they can share some personal styles with you, or styles they have already tested on the PSR S670.

Regards,

Vinciane

Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.
 

Offline panos

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2019, 08:22:07 PM »
All styles can be played by the psr 670.
It can play better the styles that were made on models like the s750-950-650-770-970-775-975
because most of the drumkits and voices are identical but it can also play all styles from tyros line and genos.
BUT you have to adjust or equalize or replace the voices that don't sound nicely because the keyboard doesn't have those voices or they are styles that made on older keyboards and they need a "refreshment" with the newer voices of the s670.
Many of us use the on board Mixing console to adjust the styles to our liking.

For example I took 2 different older styles and combine their best parts to make a newer style
like this:
https://soundcloud.com/user-74537650/conquest-of-paradise-coveryamaha-psr-s750-keyboard

or getting the converted Genos' style for the Tyros 5 and equalized it to play this one:
https://soundcloud.com/user-74537650/game-of-thrones-main-themeyamaha-psr-s750-keyboard-cover

or the style someone uploaded recently for "Sadness" by Enigma in the style area,for using on a Genos, sounds just perfect on my older keyboard too.

Don't mind about the poor audio quality it's because I have used the on board recording with settings to suit to my keyboard's headphones(I prefer flat equalizer not to harm my ears by using the headphones all the time;D)
and not recording with an external device for much better sound quality.
On my keyboard they sound just fine.

Probably you won't find a cover that even when I used a preset style I haven't changed something to it to suit to my liking and the song.

Visit a shop and just play a little with an s670 to see how it sounds.

Offline Cardoso

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2019, 09:26:19 PM »
Thank you Vinciane and Panos for all the help.

best regards,
Alvaro


Offline panos

Re: A consumer oriented keyboard
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2019, 09:59:34 PM »
Alvaro go also on youtube and search for "yamaha psr s670 cover"
There you can see how each model really sounds from users' covers and not from "official" videos where the sounds probably equalized by sound engineers and demonstrated by professionals.

I don't know what kind of music you like,just some covers with good audio quality recording:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID-jjLChFwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDNyuo5LNjU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79NI24h_mKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmx_ilJo0ec&t=89s

Maybe an owener of the s670 will see your post and tell us about his experience with the styles he downloaded from this site and other sites.