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Offline beykock

CVP 809 available soon ?
« on: January 18, 2019, 06:12:39 AM »
I wonder if we may expect the new CVP 809 soon ?

Will it have the Genos engine and will all Genos preset styles be available ?

Is there a reason why CVP's never have multipads ?

Thanks !
« Last Edit: January 18, 2019, 06:15:04 AM by beykock »

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2019, 11:30:28 AM »
Hi, my guess is that we will see the CVP 800 series Clavinovaís launched later this year, June/July time and yes I would think it will have the Genos sound engine and styles plus a few new styles. The piano sounds will be from the CLP series maybe updated to include other piano sounds as in the new CP series, probably no multi pads Yamaha doesnít seem to think it is needed on the CVPs for some reason, but we may be surprised.
All this is pure speculation I have no insider knowledge.



Offline mikf

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2019, 12:19:06 AM »
I think the piano sounds in the CVP 700 series may already be the same as the CLP. What they donít have is the CLP hammer action.  I know my 705 does not.
Hard to say why they donít have multi pads on CVPs. I guess itís still primarily viewed as a a piano with many, but not all, the features of a TOTL arranger added . Similarly, on the other hand the TOTL arranger does not have all the piano features of a CVP.
Itís interesting that Yamaha do not offer any keyboard instrument which has absolutely every feature available. My guess is that they weigh price and complication against the target market. Most CVP buyers are primarily pianists, and may not rate multipads highly.

Offline beykock

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2019, 08:22:33 AM »
IMHO most CVP owners would not be unhappy if Yamaha should decide to add a multipad section.
It might increase their sales volume.


Offline andyg

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2019, 11:58:56 AM »
Mikf is dead right! Yamaha never put everything on one instrument.

CVP's don't have multipads. Keyboards never have the highest quality piano sounds that are in the CLP/CVP series. I asked the question st 'Head Office' many years ago and there was a sort of shrug of the shoulders and a 'That's the way it is' look! So a marketing decision, certainly, as there's no technical reason why they couldn't do so if they wished. I assume They won't change their minds on this, simply because they want some space between the CVP and keyboard ranges.
It's not what you play, it's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

Offline mikf

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2019, 05:07:33 PM »
It might increase their sales volume.

I doubt it would. CVP buyers have different priorities. They are primarily buying a piano, and a piece of furniture with accompaniment and some bonus voices. Yamaha even market them through different kind of retailers - CVPs are usually sold in piano specialist stores rather than general music stores. It certainly had no effect on my buying decision, in fact I had the CVP for months before it even dawned on me it had no multipads. But then I never used them on my PSR.

Offline stephenm52

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2019, 02:38:43 AM »
I have a CVP 307 and have owned it for 10 years or more.  I never missed the multipads, I mainly use the CVP as a piano and from time to time I use styles but when you have a Genos no need for multipads on the CVP.
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Offline beykock

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2019, 07:09:54 AM »
Hi Stephen :

For those CVP owners who do not have an additional arranger keyboard, a multipad section might be a very nice extra tool ( like choirs e.g. - see Tyros4, 5 and Genos - ), I guess.

Maybe you are right.
CVP players might not be interested in multipads at all.
Apparently they like styles very much though.

But since the CVP has no multipads, probably the player will not miss them, right ?

« Last Edit: April 22, 2019, 07:30:54 AM by beykock »

Offline EileenL

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2019, 11:48:54 AM »
Many Genos or Tyros owners have never used Multi pads. A lot prefer to multi track there performances
And add counter melodies this way. I personally love creating my own pads from time to time.

Offline mikf

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2019, 07:54:16 PM »
Much more important than missing multipads is that the CVP has no pitch bend wheel. That I do miss because many voices such as sax, guitar and trombone need that note slide control to sound authentic. I could workaround with a pedal but itís an odd omission.

Offline Heinz_Wolter

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 11:32:09 AM »
regarding the initial question:
My dealer says that it will probably a CVP-800 Series launched late summer this year. It was planned for May but there were some delays.
At the same time there should be also a big Software Update for the Genos.

Regarding missing functions:
In the CVP series I miss the third voice possibility from Tyros or Genos.
And for sure: Incompatibilty regarding Registration settings: I would be glad If I could re-use registrations from Tyros/Genos on the CVP series

Regards Heinz

Offline beykock

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 02:28:00 PM »
Hi Heinz,

I do understand what you mean but the CVP serie is intended to be available for home piano players ( 88 keys and real piano keys ) who like also additional features like  styles and voices e.g.

The CVP has no multipads either.

IMHO a piano player is much more interested in very good piano sounds than additional features.
I also believe that styles are pleasant additional pro " toys " for them.

The CVP is a piece of furniture that finds mostly its place in a family living room, I guess.

I am almost sure the new CVP 800 serie will have the Genos engine and Genos styles.

All by all the CVP is a very nice and pro instrument for those
( parents and children ) who want a piano at home with more
possibilities than a standard house piano.

If my personal budget would be high enough, I surely should buy me a Yamaha highend arranger kb and a CVP 809.
I am afraid it is a dream that never will come true.🐷

« Last Edit: June 11, 2019, 02:49:07 PM by beykock »

Offline mikf

Re: CVP 809 available soon ?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2019, 10:24:58 PM »
Babette - I really doubt you would hanker after an arranger if you had a CVP. I didnít, in fact I gave away my arranger after getting a CVP because although there were a couple of features I missed, itís no benefit to have them on a different keyboard, because that is not the one I would choose to play. Only reason to have both would be if I needed a portable for gigs.