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Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2018, 02:21:04 PM »
Back from another trip!  :o

Katsunori UJIIE (no English subtitles yet): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVdUxCSXSWk

I enjoyed this video, too. A musician, not the standard sales guy rap: https://youtu.be/-Ps2HnG9Iz4

-- pj
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Offline vbdx66

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2018, 03:02:03 PM »
Back from another trip!  :o

Katsunori UJIIE (no English subtitles yet): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVdUxCSXSWk

I enjoyed this video, too. A musician, not the standard sales guy rap: https://youtu.be/-Ps2HnG9Iz4

-- pj
Now come on...  a sales guy rap, if this isn’t a brilliant idea to launch the MODX line...  ;D ;D ;D
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
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Offline Joe H

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2018, 04:00:51 PM »
While Katsunori UJIIE is a fantastic musician and does great demos, I do believe he represents a music dealer or store.

Joe H
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Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2018, 06:15:56 PM »
Tough audience!  :)  :)

It's only rock'n'roll, but I like it.  8)

-- pj
 

Offline panos

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2018, 10:02:47 PM »
May I ask something?
Why syhthesizers don't a have a row of buttons just above the keybed like the keyboards have which row is easy to hit while playing with both hands?
Don't they need anything to change or add to the sound while playing and could be done with this kind of buttons?

That super knob is really cool by the way  :)

Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2018, 02:14:14 PM »
Why syhthesizers don't a have a row of buttons just above the keybed like the keyboards have which row is easy to hit while playing with both hands?
Don't they need anything to change or add to the sound while playing and could be done with this kind of buttons?

Hi Panos --

Yep, sometimes I think that Yamaha could merge the arranger and "synth" functionality by implementing a super-flexible MIDI controller driving a sound engine. Better yet, make the MIDI controller programmable by user script. Put a row of buttons right above the keybed. The controller's programming determines if the buttons choose style sections or synth arpeggios, etc.

Yamaha could easily add auto-fill to the Motif/MOX and Montage/MODX arpeggios. I think they deliberately leave auto-fill out so a "synth" is not an "arranger."

Oh, well. We've all been over this same ground before ("synth" vs. "arranger," "one keyboard to rule them all," etc.).  Legitimate marketing decisions aside, I detect more than a whiff of corporate politics.  ;)

Hey, hey, all the best -- pj


 
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Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2018, 10:11:15 PM »
I played the 88 for a while today. Nice keyboard action with good hand to sound connection in the CFX.

I left with a 61 key. Got a decent trade-in. Hated to see the S950 go after spending so much good, quality time with it.

A lot of deep diving ahead -- pj

Offline vbdx66

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2018, 10:23:26 PM »
Hi pj,

Congratulations on your purchase  8)

Looking forward to reading technical stuff about the MODX here or on your blog.

Regards,

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, looking for an affordable hype portable keyboard.
 

Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2018, 12:24:06 PM »
I played the 88 for a while today. Nice keyboard action with good hand to sound connection in the CFX.

I left with a 61 key. Got a decent trade-in. Hated to see the S950 go after spending so much good, quality time with it.

A lot of deep diving ahead -- pj

Hi Pj,

congratulation for your new child. ;) So we do similar things, I also went from S970 to Genos + MODX (76 keys).

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2018, 12:42:38 PM »
A lot of deep diving ahead -- pj

PJ,

then I have a first task for you. There is a performance called "CFX + FM EP" or "FM EP & CFX Grand" similar, (don't remember the exact name) that has 7 parts. Part number 7 contains some strings. So this part 7 only is  active, when "assignable switch 1" is activated. Until now, I have deep dived for a long time into the performance and part edit pages, and I cannot find, where this feature is hidden in the patch. I cannot find any link from "assignable switch 1" to any parameter of part 7. I was searching for the link in the control assign dialog (see ref man page 100).

I am still reading the reference manual, but I am afraid, that it does not contain the solution. Can you help me?

For all the preset performances, I am missing a describing info text, explaining the effects of the various keyboard controllers. So one has to try out all buttons and try to see, what happens.

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2018, 01:32:41 PM »
I am still reading the reference manual, but I am afraid, that it does not contain the solution. Can you help me?

Ok, I found a tip on page 130 of the ref man. There is an XA feature for selecting elements depending on the assignable switches. Let's see, if this is used in the named voices.

Quote
Settings: Normal, Legato, Key Off, Cycle, Random, A.SW1 On (Assignable Switch 1 ON), A.SW2 On (Assignable Switch 2 ON), A.SW Off (Assignable Switch 1 OFF)

A.SW1 On: When the [ASSIGN 1] button is turned On, the Element will sound.

By the way: the random and cycle options are the same as used for Revo Drums?
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Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2018, 01:40:56 PM »
Has anybody used a half pedal (Yamaha FC3A) for Montage or MODX for piano playing? Is it worth buying?
(Or equally the half priced Roland DP-10 and a soldering iron to swap two cables inside)
(Or is any expression pedal usable to use half pedaling?)
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Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2018, 04:01:50 PM »
Hi Uli --

I forgot to congratulate you on your acquisition!  :o I was off on an airplane (again) when I first noticed.

Anyway, you're on the right path with XA control. Yamaha have made it part of the voice element programming and the internal flags that you found should do the job. BTW, there are YEM XML tags for SA control, but no user-level exposure in YEM's editor. SA control has five (?) different modes selected by an integer value. What they do, who knows?

I started diving into the "All 9 Bars!" performance and will be writing a post that's relevant to PSR/Genos in this regard.

Glad you found the screen shot Easter egg (A/D INPUT ON/OFF plus AUDITION). Better than Genos since we don't have to boot the instrument with some double-secret key combination.

Good luck and good times!

-- pj

In case anyone cares:  ;D
 
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/yamaha-modx-snap-review/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/modx-effects-screen-capture/
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Offline Joe H

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2018, 04:30:44 PM »
Has anybody used a half pedal (Yamaha FC3A) for Montage or MODX for piano playing? Is it worth buying?
(Or equally the half priced Roland DP-10 and a soldering iron to swap two cables inside)
(Or is any expression pedal usable to use half pedaling?)

Uli,

I have a Roland DP-10.  I bought this for use with my Acoustic Piano  XG plug-in card that supports a half damper pedal.  It also has a switch on it to allow it to work as a standard foot switch.  If you want to simulate the variable damper pedal of a real piano, then go for it other wise you will just have the On/Off sustain as usual.

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads for EDM. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html
 

Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2018, 05:35:10 PM »
Hey pj,

Don’t miss the free expansions for Montage and MOXF from Yamaha music soft:

* CS80 expansion for Montage
* Motif premium pack for MOXF
* Montage expanded from Easy Sounds

There are great voices in them.

Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Nord Electro 5D
 
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Offline Bachus

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2018, 06:07:39 PM »
Hey pj,

Don’t miss the free expansions for Montage and MOXF from Yamaha music soft:

* CS80 expansion for Montage
* Motif premium pack for MOXF
* Montage expanded from Easy Sounds

There are great voices in them.

Uli

The bösendorfer and the cs80 expansion, pretty much fill up all of my memmory at 900mb+ together..

Which makes you realise that user memmory is a severe limitation for modx as well as montage
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Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2018, 06:22:39 PM »
I started diving into the "All 9 Bars!" performance and will be writing a post that's relevant to PSR/Genos in this regard.

Glad you found the screen shot Easter egg (A/D INPUT ON/OFF plus AUDITION). Better than Genos since we don't have to boot the instrument with some double-secret key combination.

Pj,

again an interesting post concerning the rotary effect. That was my first interest, too. I found that the new Leslie algorithm from Montage OS 1.5 (the Genos Real Rotary) is called Rotary 2 in the MODX.

I did not find the Easter egg. My screenshots have been taken from the manual. ;) So thank you for this information.

Best regards
Uli
Yamaha Genos
Yamaha MODX7
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2018, 09:51:29 PM »
The Bösendorfer and the cs80 expansion, pretty much fill up all of my memmory at 900mb+ together..

Amen!

That CS80 expansion is one big burrito.  :) Thanks for mentioning the freebies, Uli.

I started the download and then went into a programming frenzy. Watching it download is like watching grass grow. I think I have enough pulled together to gig with the MODX on Sunday.  :o

Turns out, I didn't understand Scenes like I thought I did. I'm leaving that exploration for next week...

Have a good weekend, gents!

-- pj

P.S. I did a little A/B testing with MODX and Genos. So many waveforms in common. This helped getting Sunday's Live Set together as I had sorted through the Genos orchestral instruments already with some care.
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Offline voodoo

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #68 on: October 11, 2018, 09:49:41 AM »
PJ,

I have read your new posts in your blog. As always, much to learn. Thank you for sharing your experience.

Seems, that MODX performances are a pendant to Genos registrations. Both possibly build up complex sounds using several parts. So the MODX comes with over 2000 pre programmed performances. Unfortunately, there are no preset registrations for Genos. (Only the one touch settings ins styles, which are not easy to find by category.)

I think, it would be an added value for Genos, if there would be factory programmed registrations, sorted by category, similar to the MODX performances.

(On Korg arrangers there have been pre programmed performances (combinations of several voices), which sounded very good. But I think, they have replaced this feature by songbook entries, which now are similar to Genos registrations?)

Uli
Uli
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Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2018, 02:55:19 PM »
Hello Uli --

"Since the ref manual states (on page 100/101), that after touch (and ribbon controller) can be selected as source for control assignment, I assume, that it should work. ;)"

I didn't want to hijack the other thread with MODX stuff.

The MIDI implementation chart at the end of the MODX Data List PDF gave me concerns. Aftertouch is neither transmitted (of course) or received. On the other hand, the MIDI Receive Flow does include channel aftertouch. Once again, we must seek truth.  :D

BTW, the date on the MIDI implementation chart looks whack -- "18-JUL-2017"   2017? Did Yamaha sit on this product for a year?

Take care -- pj
 

Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #70 on: October 12, 2018, 03:08:58 PM »
Unfortunately, there are no preset registrations for Genos.

Hi Uli --

Maybe Yamaha thinks that Genos (PSR) registrations are so simple that there is not very much value added through "preset" registrations. For sit-and-play customers, the after-market MFDs and playlists are enough (maybe).

BTW, working in the MODX Performance editor reminds me of how much work needs to be done to Yamaha Expansion Manager to make it a truly professional voice editor.

Yamaha need to add SArt voice editing to YEM for no other reason than access to all of the waveforms that have been added since roughly 2008! We only have access to the old waveforms that comprise the regular voices. (OK, there are a few exceptions, but not many...) At least give us all of the Mega Voices; they use the same waveforms as SArt.

SArt2 is another matter. It's a complex beast and a PC-based editor is probably non-trivial. ("Non-trivial" in the usual techie sarcastic sense. :-) )

All the best -- pj
 

Offline Al Ram

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #71 on: October 12, 2018, 06:00:49 PM »
Maybe Yamaha thinks that Genos (PSR) registrations are so simple that there is not very much value added through "preset" registrations. For sit-and-play customers, the after-market MFDs and playlists are enough (maybe).
 pj

Complete agreement . . . .  i play Genos and at least for me, no need for preset registrations.  I would not need, want, or use.

thanks
AL
San Diego/Tijuana
 

Offline pjd

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2018, 09:07:39 PM »
For grins, I transferred my WAV backing tracks to the USB flash drive that is dedicated to MODX. I tried playing along with a few tracks and I was quickly reminded at how well arrangers and Genos, in particular, are designed for live performance.

First, there is a fair bit of menu diving to find the WAV file. Then, there is mode switching from the audio playback window to Category Search (or Live Set) to select an instrument to play. For a so-called "modeless" user interface, the flow is not smooth. Then, if you try to select a different instrument while a WAV file is playing, fuggedaboutit. You need to stop the audio player (!) before you can switch to Category Search or Live Set.

Someone using MODX as a one man band (OMB) might be better served by a tablet sitting along side the MODX with the tablet's audio out routed to the MODX audio in. The set up would need a WAV playback app. Forget iTunes unless they added a way to play one song at a time (i.e., stop at the end of a song).

Makes you wonder how much the two divisions (synth and workstation) learn about workflow from each other...

All the best -- pj
 
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Offline hans1966

Re: New MODX Synths
« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2018, 02:56:02 AM »
Totally true PJD. In my opinion it is much more practical to play live with an arranger keyboard, which already includes several functions (sequencer, styles, registers and voices) and everything is very close. A synthesizer is another work concept, and it's quite tedious when it comes to playing MIDI and / or WAV arrangements in a live concert, where you have to make changes on the fly. just my thoughts. Hans