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Offline Pianoman

Genos Test Number Three
« on: April 01, 2018, 02:05:30 PM »
Hello Everyone.

I'll be doing my third Genos test in a couple of hours from now, at a friend's house.

My previous 2 tests showed a slight improvement in sound over the Tyros line.
Not by much though, as I considered the improvement to be more incremental,
rather than substantial.

In the meantime, below are 2 links showing what can be done  with a T3.

I will try to reproduce these same 2 songs on the Genos, for the purpose of
voice, style, and drum comparison, and try to post them here later.

It may be interesting too, to hear a Genos owner play something similar,
since He/She would be more familiar with the EQ and compressor settings,
again, just for comparison.

Both songs below are simple "sit and play" performances, played live
straight into the T3's recorder.


https://app.box.com/s/rdgph7010u4djxe6pajpltritj6w0gen


https://app.box.com/s/bp2drgzpfwonz834jif4e6zinpizi5k5


Best Regards.

Abby.
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Offline Udo

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 03:51:11 PM »
Hi Abby ,

Thank you very much for that interesting demonstration and I would like to hear your opinion
which recording is the better one ....cause I cannot say  :o

Ideal would be the same song / sound recorded as a midi and the same midi
recorded 1. with the Tyros and 2. with the Genos ;)

Please don't get me wrong I really do not want to tell you what to do !!! Its just an idea Abby

Cheers
Udo
 
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2018, 04:01:18 PM »
Hello Udo.

I like the idea, but to be honest, I wouldn't know how to record a midi.

Having never used Midi, I am not familiar with it's workings.

I will probably just record another WAV version, convert it to Mp3, and
post it.

Still, I'm probably not too old to learn.

Best Regards.
Abby.
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Offline Udo

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2018, 04:26:01 PM »
Hi Abby,

the songs you have chosen are ideal for comparison.

My music dealer (and friend) tries to convince me for weeks and wants me to
Trade my Tyros 3 or the T5 in for a Genos.

 I  really cannot see the sense of it but I will follow your threads  ;) ;)

Cheers
Udo
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Offline soryt

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2018, 04:48:29 PM »
If u use the Genos only as a Midi player , than it isnt worth to upgrade .
and if you cant hear the difference between a T3 and a Genos general you need to go to a hearing specialist .

Soneg ;)

Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2018, 08:04:14 PM »
Great playing, Abby!

I think both songs are about the same quality. I would love to hear what you could do with a fully loaded DAW! Now down to business.

There is no comparison in the T3 to a Genos - especially from effects, percussion, and general sound processing points of view. Two things to remember when you audition the Genos:

1- What speakers are you using? A T3 will sound about the same as a Genos when played through cheap dime-store speakers.
2- Even a Genos is delivered with Yamaha's basic EQ and Compression settings, which can make it appear as though it sounds not much better than a T3. Play with those settings and really see what you can do with the sound. It will blow you away.

There you go...and I agree, get those ears checked out (LOL)...like I'm one to talk. I'm about due myself, after 30 years on stage with guitarists who don't have a clue what a volume control is used for.
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Offline EileenL

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2018, 08:05:15 PM »
Recording Midi is easy. Just press the REC button of the left of the Tyros 3 and play. Press stop when finished and there you are. Press Button A and then name and save song to USB.

Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2018, 09:33:45 PM »
Abby, the only true comparison would be for you to record those same, two, outstanding performances on the Genos. Then the side by side comparison would be easy to make.

Keep in your you are an incredibly talented player, and I seriously doubt that unless the difference between the T3 and Genos was not a major difference, no one would notice and you would just be wasting your money. But, if you get a big WOW FACTOR from your audiences and the folks that hire you, then it would be money well spent, especially if it increased your income by a significant degree. The main reason I kept my PSR-3000s for so many years is that when I did A/B comparisons between the 3000 and some of the newer models, no one noticed. My wife was the biggest critic when it came to new keyboards, and when she said Wow about the S-950, that when I upgraded. The audiences responded in kind.

Good luck, my friend,

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Offline markstyles

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2018, 09:48:00 PM »
I have found each model T3 - 5, and Genos to be an incremental improvement in a number of areas..  The increases are not huge, but they do add up..
I like the Genos has more Mega-voices, I would love to see a mod, perhaps one of the sliders, that would make it easy to move between the velocity plateaus, so one could hand  play the mega voices. I think it would be an easy piece of code, and lend more usefulness to this great instrument.

I have a huge number of Kontakt libraries, but I find the Tyroses and now the  Genos have so much more 'liveliness' and vitality to them to almost any library. They really can bring a piece to life.

Offline DonM

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2018, 10:09:05 PM »
"Abby, the only true comparison would be for you to record those same, two, outstanding performances on the Genos. Then the side by side comparison would be easy to make. "
That is exactly what he said he would do.  Both the posted songs were done on the T3, or at least that's the way I understood it.
DonM
 

Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2018, 11:00:01 PM »
Hello Everyone.

BOTH of the above songs were recorded on my T3, none on a Genos.
I thought I had explained it well in my first post.

I went to my friend's house of with the intention of playing these same songs,
but this time on a Genos.

The EQ settings on my friend's Genos were crap, and so were the compressor
settings.

I spent a major part of the afternoon grappling with the EQ settings and trying to choose
appropriate voices for my comparison.

I think i managed to obtain decent settings for both EQ and Compression.

My friend has some state of the art sound system, but I took my trusty headphones
with me. Because that's how I recorded on my T3, and I like their sound.

My first recording attempt ended with distortion, as well as the second one.

I reduced the global volume but still got the same result.

I think it was probably from the Bass and Drums being too loud.

I just couldn't get a decent recording.

Between my tapping on the Genos, and my friend trying to impress me
with his Montage through his sound system, it was like a Zoo,
and my friend's wife finally had enough around 8 PM local time here.

Not wanting to push my luck or not be welcome anymore, I bade farewell and left,
without a quality recording.

We did save the work in the Genos registrations, so that I won't have to
start from scratch again next time.

I have four important gigs this coming week, and won't be able to repeat
the testing and recording until next Sunday.

Hopefully everything will come together as desired then.

I'll keep you updated.

Best Regards.
Abby.

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Offline Gloria

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2018, 11:42:59 PM »
Hi Everyone, I had the privilege of hearing an excellent Genos demo by Manuel Dorantes, Rep for Yamaha.   I'm still "on hold" about getting a Genos because later I tried one at the music store (only with headphones) & it didn't sound good at all!  I went back to the store a few days later & no one even offered to hook up a speaker, so I left very disappointed.  :( Now I'm reading about EQ settings.  Should I use my PSR S910 settings on the Genos & try it again?  Any advice would be appreciated.
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2018, 12:07:59 AM »
This make me wonder if I'm extremely lucky with the one I did find in the box, or if the ones Abby and Gloria tested has been 'fiddled' around with and way out off the factory settings and also if they are updated to v1.20.

Anyway, our ears don't always hear the same, just as our eyes see things different. I have two sets of headphones that give me slightly differend soundpictures, but not as different that I would call the sound coming from G crap.  :o

To me, as a well known former anti Yamaha 'cold CD'ish sound', G is the best sounding arranger from Yamaha 'till date, but that's very personal. My G is going to stay until something new knock it down.  8)
If happy with what allready have and it does what you want it to, just keep it as it is. A kind of 'if it aint broke, don't fix it' ;)

Cheers & Happy Playing.  :)
GJ
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Offline Gloria

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2018, 12:23:37 AM »
Quoting Gunnar Johnny - "this make me wonder if I'm extremely lucky with the one I did find in the box, or if the ones Abby and Gloria tested has been 'fiddled' around with and way out off the factory settings and also if they are updated to v1.20."

Gunnar Johnny - I never thought about that & it could really make a difference!  Appreciate you mentioning it!
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Offline EileenL

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2018, 12:38:58 AM »
Hi Gloria,
  Just listening to Genos with its factory settings should sound good. I have left my compressor on 28,65,70 and my EQ is on Loudness at the moment. I am happy with the sound I get and I only use the Genos speakers. Make sure you use good quality head phones although I always prefer to here a keyboard live when trying it.

Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2018, 02:24:29 AM »
Hello Everyone.

The crappy settings that I referred to, were the changes and fiddling that my
friend made to his Genos.

There is also a Genos now in our local music store, set up as a demo,
for anyone to have a go and fiddle around with.

It's plugged in to a solitary Peavey speaker, thus only giving a mono sound.

That's why I always take my Sennheiser Headphones with me wherever I go.

Testing at the music store is tolerable for up to an hour at best,
though I did manage around 90 minutes a few days back.
Without a stool or chair in sight, one can only test while standing,

And with people hustling and bustling around and brushing past, it's not really
conducive to peaceful concentration.

That is why I chose to go to my friend's house.
He owns a Genos that he brought from Switzerland.

He has a proper kind of studio setup in a corner of his living room
where one can sit and peacefully explore the Genos.
Till his wife says time's up.

I will only buy a keyboard after being fully satisfied that it meets my
expectations, and that it will deliver what I have in mind.

I plan to borrow the Genos for a full weekend, to test it in my home.

I believe that would be possible, once the store owner returns from his
Easter vacation.

If I feel that it meets my requirements, I'll buy it.

The selling price is now 3400Ä (2983£)which I think is fair, and should
have been so right from the beginning.

Updates will follow.

Best Regards.
Abby.
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Offline keynote

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2018, 02:37:55 AM »

I like the idea, but to be honest, I wouldn't know how to record a midi.

Having never used Midi, I am not familiar with it's workings.



Best Regards.
Abby.

 Very impressive songs using your Tyros 3. By the way Midi is basically data instructions that tells the keyboard what note(s) to play. When you play the Genos or in your case the Tyros 3 you are actually triggering midi in conjunction with the wav rom (audio) samples of the keyboard. As Eileen demonstrated it is easy to record midi on the Genos and the Tyros 3. Of course if you'd rather record as audio and save it as a .wav file that is your choice. As a demonstration here is a song using a midi file and an audio vocal track. The song is called Superstition by Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder is singing the vocal part but all the musical sounds are from the Genos.

Superstition Remix by Stevie Wonder & Yamaha Genos

PS:Some of the instruments I used are S.Art PopHornsBright for the Brass and the VintageMutedKit Revo Drum kit. This song is simply for demonstration purposes only. In order to demonstrate ways of using midi with the Genos. Since this is a rather large .wav file it might take a while to load on the Box website.

Mike

Offline Pino

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2018, 03:12:40 AM »
Gloria
The PSR S910 is still a cracking keyboard, it has a mellow sweet sound.
I have all the PSRs from the 3000 to S970, Iím always back on the 910 for some reason
I gig with it on a regular basis and people are amazed at what they hear,

The styles editing, style voices, balance and midi recording windows is exactly the same on all models right up to the Genos, I was reading the Genos Manual over the weekend, most editing functions are identical to the S910, nothing much has changed,
The sound has got to be better on the Genos, but how much better,?

I wanted to buy a Korg PA4X, I went to the music store on 3 different occasions, the last time I went there I had the money in my pocket, there was something about the styles that did not work with the music I play, so I left it, glad that I did, maybe Iíll go for a Genos sometime in the future, but, at the moment I have everything that I need to make nice music 🎶

Good luck,

Pino
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Offline Pino

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2018, 03:18:12 AM »
Pianoman has been in the business as long as I have.
He knows everything about midi, no problem there. :)

Did you look at Ketron SD-9.
Big in Spain
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Offline DonM

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2018, 03:27:26 AM »
Abby, that's about the price of the Genos from the start in the U.S., if you know who to call!  :)
DonM
 

Offline guitpic1

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2018, 04:44:44 AM »
Pianoman Abby,

I hope you get a significant amount of time with Genos. 

The first few days I had Genos I thought I was going to send it back.  I didnít like the keybed or so I thought.  I wasnít sure I liked the OS and other things...etc.  In short, all I could see were the negatives...which actually turned out to be new operator error for the most part.

But after I had Genos for a week, and could really get to appreciate what it could do, thatís when I knew it was a keeper.

A keyboard like Genos requires time to appreciate.

guitpic1

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Offline tyrosman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2018, 09:43:07 AM »
Hello Everyone.

BOTH of the above songs were recorded on my T3, none on a Genos.
I thought I had explained it well in my first post.

I went to my friend's house of with the intention of playing these same songs,
but this time on a Genos.

The EQ settings on my friend's Genos were crap, and so were the compressor
settings.

I spent a major part of the afternoon grappling with the EQ settings and trying to choose
appropriate voices for my comparison.

I think i managed to obtain decent settings for both EQ and Compression.

My friend has some state of the art sound system, but I took my trusty headphones
with me. Because that's how I recorded on my T3, and I like their sound.

My first recording attempt ended with distortion, as well as the second one.

I reduced the global volume but still got the same result.

I think it was probably from the Bass and Drums being too loud.

I just couldn't get a decent recording.

Between my tapping on the Genos, and my friend trying to impress me
with his Montage through his sound system, it was like a Zoo,
and my friend's wife finally had enough around 8 PM local time here.

Not wanting to push my luck or not be welcome anymore, I bade farewell and left,
without a quality recording.

We did save the work in the Genos registrations, so that I won't have to
start from scratch again next time.

I have four important gigs this coming week, and won't be able to repeat
the testing and recording until next Sunday.

Hopefully everything will come together as desired then.

I'll keep you updated.

Best Regards.
Abby.
   hey Abby what was the settings
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2018, 10:10:45 AM »
As a demonstration here is a song using a midi file and an audio vocal track. The song is called Superstition by Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder is singing the vocal part but all the musical sounds are from the Genos.

Superstition Remix by Stevie Wonder & Yamaha Genos

PS:Some of the instruments I used are S.Art PopHornsBright for the Brass and the VintageMutedKit Revo Drum kit. This song is simply for demonstration purposes only. In order to demonstrate ways of using midi with the Genos. Since this is a rather large .wav file it might take a while to load on the Box website.

Mike


Very impressive.
How did you manage to add the singing of Stevie Wonder to the Genos tracks?

Best Regards.
Abby.
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Offline Stijn

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2018, 10:55:26 AM »
Hi Abby,

You can find vocal parts on YouTube, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7W0oVCyF5c

Here is a link to the mp3 file of this video clip:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0btbz8e9zhph83/Stevie%20Wonder%20-%20Superstition%20%28Only%20Vocals%29.mp3?dl=0

Stijn
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2018, 11:08:54 AM »

   hey Abby what was the settings

Hello Tyrosman.
I assume that you are referring to the EQ and compressor settings.

I found the Genos EQ settings to be a bit more complicated than on my T3,
because of their wider Bandwidth.

As a starting point, I used these EQ and compressor settings posted by StephenM,
to whom I'm thankful. They are very good actually.

I made a few adjustments to them, not because they're not good, but in order to adjust
them to my headphones.

I started with the master volume at maximum, and slowly lowered it to about a 100 or so.
I always like a powerful Bass and Drums in the individual accompaniment tracks volume.

I think that's what caused the slight recording distortion.

I take into consideration that I've only had a total of about 6 hours with the Genos
up to now, spread over 3 different days.

The Genos owner himself was not much help, nor was the guy at the music store,
who is standing in until the store owner comes back from his Easter vacation.

I have a good relationship with the store owner, and I am convinced that he will
let me have it for a weekend when his store is closed.

Provided that I return it early on Monday morning.

He has lent me equipment to try out in the past, and I hope that he will do the
same this time.

Best Regards.
Abby.


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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2018, 11:16:44 AM »
Hi Abby,

You can find vocal parts on YouTube, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7W0oVCyF5c

Here is a link to the mp3 file of this video clip:  https://www.dropbox.com/s/k0btbz8e9zhph83/Stevie%20Wonder%20-%20Superstition%20%28Only%20Vocals%29.mp3?dl=0

Stijn

Hello Stijn.

Just amazing what one can do with technology nowadays.

Thank you for the enlightenment.

Best Regards.
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Offline Stijn

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2018, 11:29:56 AM »
My Genos is set up with a couple of Wharfedale Titan 8 active speakers, in a small room.
My dealer adviced me to put the the Master EQ on Flat and the Compressor set to OFF. He said he got the tip from a Yamaha specialist.

I asked a friend, who worked at the Philips factory as an audio specialist, to come listen and give me his opinion.
He also thought it to be the best set-up for the small room that I am using.

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Offline stephenm52

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2018, 12:29:47 PM »

As a starting point, I used these EQ and compressor settings posted by StephenM,
to whom I'm thankful. They are very good actually.
I made a few adjustments to them, not because they're not good, but in order to adjust
them to my headphones.

Provided that I return it early on Monday morning.

He has lent me equipment to try out in the past, and I hope that he will do the
same this time.

Best Regards.
Abby.

Abby, I'm glad to hear those EQ settings were a starting point for you. Good luck with your upcoming test(s). Sounds great if you can get to take the Genos on a gig for testing in a live situation.
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Offline keynote

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2018, 01:53:28 PM »

My dealer adviced me to put the the Master EQ on Flat and the Compressor set to OFF. He said he got the tip from a Yamaha specialist.

Stijn

On my Genos I also have the Compressor set to Off. I went ahead and screen captured my EQ settings as an illustration of what works for me for my particular setup.

Mike
 

Offline stephenm52

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2018, 02:42:40 PM »
Mike,  Thanks for posting I like experimenting with different eq settings.


Stijn,  I'll try your dealer suggested settings too.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2018, 02:47:34 PM by stephenm52 »
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2018, 03:06:21 PM »
Abby, I'm glad to hear those EQ settings were a starting point for you. Good luck with your upcoming test(s). Sounds great if you can get to take the Genos on a gig for testing in a live situation.

Hello Stephen.

Thank you again for your EQ and Compressor settings.

They were very good and helpful, as I mentioned above.

If the guy let's me have the Genos for a weekend, it will be more for the purpose
of familiarizing myself with the keyboard, and to learn as much as possible
about it within the short allowed time span.

The weekend I'm referring to would consist of Saturday afternoon till Monday
morning.

That would not be enough time to deal with all the registration transfer issues,
and all the individual tweaks I may have to do, in order to gig with it.

Being a showroom Instrument, I don't think it has been updated either.

It took me weeks of tweaking before I was confident enough to use my T3 in
front of an audience.

And I'm still finding out stuff that I didn't know was possible.

For example, I only learned about a month ago right here, how to save
song lyrics into a registration.

I'm not much of a geek. I normally would just tweak the Master EQ, Compressor,
individual track EQ, and right hand voices, then save them to registrations.
That's about it.

Most important for me is to hook the Genos up to my sound system,
to hear what it sounds like on my current gear.

There is a soundproofed underground Discotheque in one of the hotels
where I play that is unused.

I normally would go set up my gear in there, and blast away to my heart's
content, without being heard. That's what I did with my T3 eight years ago.

Hopefully the store owner will be there tomorrow. I'll make my pitch and see
what he says.

My advantage is that I'm probably one of a fast shrinking pool of people who
are interested in Arrangers nowadays.

A lot of home users and composers have turned to Computer software for
their musical needs.

99.9 percent of so called performers in hotels here have completely given up
playing.

Some used to pretend to play, but have now given up the pretence altogether,
 choosing to show up armed with just a Laptop.

It would not surprise me if I were to be the only one to buy an arranger here.
So my chances look pretty good.

We'll see what happens tomorrow.

Best Regards.
Abby.

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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2018, 04:11:27 PM »
Abby, many of the players here have long since left the hotel and restaurant jobs and opted to perform in the senior venues, mainly because the pay is far better, the hours are better, and audiences tend to me more appreciative and there are far more job opportunities for musical entertainers who actually play than DJs, KJs and Laptop performers.

Here, in the USA, retirement communities are a huge, very profitable business. The residents usually enjoy musical entertainment at least two days a week, and in some locations, up to 5 days a week. Some of the communities, which are usually housed in a huge building complex, have their own theaters, nite clubs and pubs, each of which features musical entertainment regularly. I have a friend that has a 17-piece big band, and he is booked three days a week with his band at retirement communities in Maryland alone.

I think you will really like what you hear when you get the Genos properly tuned for your needs, but as I stated earlier, if there is not a WOW factor for you, then go for a Tyros 5, which would be a serious upgrade from the T3. Should be a lot less expensive, too.

Good luck,

Gary 8)
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Offline Toril S

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2018, 04:33:38 PM »
Gary: I hear I will have to move to the USA to have a good time in a senior community!
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2018, 06:48:56 PM »
Toril, This is one of the retirement communities I performed at regularly.

https://www.brightviewseniorliving.com/find-a-community/brightview-avondell/photo-gallery

This gives you an idea of how upscale these places really are in my part of the world.

Here's one in Florida, that has several similar facilities situated all over the USA. https://www.thevillages.com/

All the best,

Gary :cool:
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2018, 08:13:39 PM »
Hello Gary.

Sorry that I didn't respond promptly to your post yesterday.
It was late when I got back from the Genos session at my friend's place.
That's why I just wrote a global response.

I envy you guys there, in the fact that there are so many opportunities to
perform the senior circuit.

There's not much of a senior circuit here. There are two homes for seniors but
I don't  believe that they can really afford entertainment.

We have a family friend in one of them, and I had a conversation with their Director
a couple of years ago..

He said it was a quiet community where they hardly do much entertainment, but he
would let me know if any special event crops up.

That was two years ago, and I did not pursue it any further.

What we have here are some hotels that cater exclusively to Spanish pensioners in the
winter months.

It is a programme subsidised by the Spanish government, where they make a deal with
some hotels to accept the pensioners for a very low price, where 80% is paid by the
government, and the pensioner pays around 20%.

The pay is terrible, but it provides work for musicians, because they insist on
musicians that actually play. Not some guy and his Laptop.

I'm playing in those on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays, since early March.
I also do an open air gig for a different kind of venue every Saturday.

And what you say is true, the audiences are much more appreciative.

I'll be with them till April the 30th, when I'll start playing in my usual Summer
hotels.



As far as the Genos is concerned, you as a professional musician will better
understand  my reasoning.

The Genos is not a bad arranger.

And I am trying to get as much time with it, plus knowledge of it,
before deciding if it would be beneficial, and necessary, to buy it now,
or wait.

My waiting since it's launch has already paid off, as prices have  come
down from 4499Ä at launch, to 3400Ä now.

Like most other arrangers, it has to be tweaked and personalised until we are
satisfied that what we are hearing is the best sound we can get out of it, and
what we want our audiences to hear.

I am still tweaking my T3 while playing, 8 years after having bought it.

I just approach the Genos from a business point of view.

Do I need it to earn a living? Will it increase my income due to improved
sound quality? Will my audiences care whether I play this or another keyboard?
Does it have any new styles that could be useful to me and open up new
opportunities? Etc.

I am not " In Love " with it as some others claim to be.
In fact, I  have never been "In Love" with any instrument that I have owned.

Being not in love with my instrument does not make me a worse, or better,
musician in the eyes of most reasonable people.

Any musician who knows the highs and lows, and the pleasure and grief of
depending exclusively on performing to earn a living, will understand and agree
with what I'm saying.

My biggest priority every day, is to try and make myself a better musician
and human being.


Best Regards.
Abby.
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2018, 08:27:33 PM »
Abby, I agree 100-percent, especially about the business aspects. I looked at my keyboard as a tool to make a living, which it did for more than 30 years. Prior to that, I was a part time musician, and worked in other fields, which is a huge difference. When I was a weekend warrior musician/singer/entertainer I often used an inexpensive arranger keyboard, a PSR-500, which everyone enjoyed hearing. However, it was very rare to have someone say "I really loved how that keyboard sounded." The compliments were usually about my singing abilities and how much they loved my vocals. And, the same held true when I played a 12-string guitar and sang country music. They could care less that I was strumming a Yamaha, or a high priced Gibson or Ibanez. To them, it was my overall performances that kept them on the dance floor and kept them coming back, week after week to be entertained.

I pretty much tell everyone to ask themselves the same questions you posed pertaining to the business aspects of purchasing a new keyboard. It makes good sense!

Gary  8)
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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2018, 08:35:52 PM »
Abby, I agree 100-percent, especially about the business aspects. I looked at my keyboard as a tool to make a living, which it did for more than 30 years. Prior to that, I was a part time musician, and worked in other fields, which is a huge difference. When I was a weekend warrior musician/singer/entertainer I often used an inexpensive arranger keyboard, a PSR-500, which everyone enjoyed hearing. However, it was very rare to have someone say "I really loved how that keyboard sounded." The compliments were usually about my singing abilities and how much they loved my vocals. And, the same held true when I played a 12-string guitar and sang country music. They could care less that I was strumming a Yamaha, or a high priced Gibson or Ibanez. To them, it was my overall performances that kept them on the dance floor and kept them coming back, week after week to be entertained.

I pretty much tell everyone to ask themselves the same questions you posed pertaining to the business aspects of purchasing a new keyboard. It makes good sense!

Gary  8)

Very well said Gary.
You've conveyed my thoughts much better than I could possibly have
done myself.

Best Regards.
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Offline stephenm52

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2018, 02:36:38 AM »
Toril, This is one of the retirement communities I performed at regularly.

https://www.brightviewseniorliving.com/find-a-community/brightview-avondell/photo-gallery

This gives you an idea of how upscale these places really are in my part of the world.

Here's one in Florida, that has several similar facilities situated all over the USA. https://www.thevillages.com/

All the best,

Gary :cool:

Ditto what Gary wrote.  Interesting Brookdale and Brightview senior facilities are national we have quite a few facilities owned by them here in the small state of Rhode Island.

As for the Villages my wife and I spent 2 months there this past winter. In winter of 2019 we hope to be there for 3 months. It is a thriving 55+ community music nightly on 3 different town squares. This past winter I played a weekly piano solo gig in the lobby of a beautiful medical faciity Iím booked for next winter too.  The bit of negative is there are so many musicians who are retired from full time work that the pay scale is not as high as it is in the North East section of the US.
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Offline maartenb

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2018, 12:27:31 PM »
the Master EQ on Flat and the Compressor set to OFF.
These are exactly my settings as well and my Genos sounds absolutely great!

I like to hear the sound Yamaha had in mind. Their mixing engineers are top notch, IMHO. So I have monitor speakers with a flat frequency response (HS7) in my living room and EQ to flat and compressor off. Turning the compressor off gives the sound more "bite".

I notice that the sound of the Genos is well balanced and has more bass than the Tyros 5.

The only EQ needed is to fix problems with the room or speakers, not with the sound of the Genos itself.


Maarten

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2018, 02:01:29 AM »
Hello Gary.

My biggest priority every day, is to try and make myself a better musician
and human being.


Best Regards.
Abby.

Hi Abby,

1
What is your opinion on speakers. I have so far been using Genelec Studio monitos that are outrageously expensive and weigh 17 kg. One can still to-day get them from Thomann for over 2000 $ a piece.  They have served me well for  18 years, but now I am no more able to lift them in and out of my Range Rover that incidentally i also 18 years old.
Found  LTO speakers that weigh only 7.5 kg and cost 1/10  e.g. 200 $.  Now either my hearing is over the hill or technology has advanced. I did have to change the preamp treble a little bit lower, but after that they sounded to me and some friends indistinguishable from  the  costly ones playing the Genos,

2
I tried to comply with a request here to send the photos of the corrupted registry banks in my Genos, but I got a message "they had not passed security" .  That's what always happens to the fossil,  I do a lot of work and than everything is gone.

3
I also tried to send you a private message with my rendering of the tune "Crazy" played on Tyros 5/6 and on Genos,
to get an opinion about whether you can hear a difference or not. I cannot, but maybe MP3  is not good enough for such a judgement anyway. But of course I again got a message that it had not worked, this time  "time had run out."  :)   Could you please send me an e-mail to my addresss v.freymann@welho.com so I could mail you the MP3 file.

Cheers

Kaarlo
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Offline EileenL

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2018, 12:21:20 PM »
As we have said in your other threads we need the registration to try on Genos. Photo's will not tell us much.
It is very easy to upload a registration on here.

Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2018, 02:06:57 PM »
Hello Kaarlo.


About the speakers, I use two JBL EON 1500 as my main speakers, and a
Behringer B1500HP Subwoofer for my gigs.

The JBLs weigh 17 Kilos each, and the subwoofer weighs 42 Kilos.

The JBL speakers are passive, so I also use a 1000 watt Yamaha EMX5000
powered mixer.

The Behringer subwoofer has 2200 watts, and adds great depth to the
overall sound during gigs.

A good and powerful subwoofer is an absolute must, to avoid having the
arranger sound like a cheap 100$ Casio.

This was my first reaction to the T3 when I first played it live on my JBLs.
It sounded cheap and terrible.

It sounded absolutely great on the Tyros speakers that came with it,
or on headphones, but not on my JBLs.

I had never had this problem when I was using a Roland G 800.

It took weeks of tweaking before I dared to play it in front of an audience again.
And I'm still constantly tweaking it as I play, depending on the room, or when
playing outdoor gigs.

I have sent you an E-mail in case you still want to send me the songs.

Best Regards.
Abby.
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2018, 04:20:32 PM »
Abby, I agree. First and foremost, a high quality sound system, including a good sub woofer, is an absolute must for any live performer. Additionally, as we grow older, we must eventually lighten the load, which was one of the many reasons I went with the Bose L1 PAS system many years ago. It had an incredibly powerful 10-inch, long throw sub, plus 24 speakers in the sound column. I performed for up to 1,200 people outdoors at a very noisy venue and had no problems rocking the place with the master volume only set slightly above the halfway mark.

Over the years, I have owned many, many arranger keyboards of various brands, including Korg, Roland, Yamaha and others. In every instance, those keyboards never left the office for up to 3 months while I tweaked and tuned them until I felt they were ready to go on stage and I was familiar and confident with the operating system. If I were to purchase a brand new Genos today, it would not be on stage until July. However, if after a few days of setting up the keyboard I didn't feel that Wow Factor, the keyboard would be returned and I would stick with what I already had enjoyed great success with over the years, even if I had to purchase a new keyboard of the same old model because the current board was just worn out from years of performing.

All the best,

Gary 8)

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Offline Pianoman

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2018, 08:02:44 PM »
Hello Gary.

How many sound columns and Subwoofers did  you use?
Meaning, did you use a separate Sub for each column?

Best Regards.
Abby.
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Offline guitpic1

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #44 on: April 04, 2018, 08:38:21 PM »
Columns and subwoofers?

You guys must play in some huge venues?
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2018, 08:45:07 PM »
Abby, when I used the Bose L1 PAS, it was a single column with 24 tiny speakers and a separate 10-sub. When I later went to the Bose L1 Compact, I used two systems, which provided coverage for audiences to about 500 people. The standard Bose L1 was used in mono, however, both outputs from the keyboard were fired into the onboard mixer in separate channels, which when combined, provided outstanding sound quality and an incredible spatial coverage of nearly 210 degrees. The falloff from this system at 100-feet was less than 10 percent. Consequently, the audience heard the same volume 100 feet from the stage as those that were sitting just a few feet away. This eliminated the need for a monitor. The speakers were positioned behind me and off to the side. No feedback problems with this system, ever.

Take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqw1JCq3V90

All the best,

Gary 8)
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Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2018, 08:46:47 PM »
Gary, the Bose L1 1S has 12 tweeters. The L2 has 24 tweeters. Or, are you talking about a VERY old Bose system that had 24 tweeters and was called the L1? Not so today. Just curious.
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2018, 08:51:21 PM »
Guitpic, my largest audiences were often outdoor venues, concerts in the park, outdoor weddings, pool parties, and huge fishing tournaments. Audience size ranged from 300 to 1,500 people, often spread out over a large area such as a park measuring several acres in size. The only system I found that could handle the park jobs was the Bose L1 PAS. No conventional system proved quality sound at great distances - they all distorted at higher volumes.

Gary 8)
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2018, 08:52:48 PM »
Lee, the L1 PAS was later replaced with the L1 Mod II, which is still available.

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Offline Lee Batchelor

Re: Genos Test Number Three
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2018, 08:55:32 PM »
Ah...thanks Gary. So, it is pre-L2. I use two Compacts with my own 15" sub design. It's killer!
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