Tyros Keyboards (5 Boards) > Tyros 4 (SFF2)
Fingering settings
sugarplumsss:
I have had T4 five years and have never used the T4 in the manner it was designed.. using Accompaniment mode, and allowing the T4 to play bass lines, and other parts.
I have only used the keyboard with zero ACMP or with just the drum part.
Well I am finally trying the ACMP .. I notice the full keyboard mode
Playing chords with left hand and right hand, I notice there is a limit to what the Yamaha chord coding can pick up.
I tried a 5 and 6 note chord, and noticed the extensions of the chord played in the right hand, were not present in the auto acmp.
This points to Fingering settings, there are two full keyboard modes,
Full Keyboard and A1 Full Keyboard.
I am not sure if one of these modes are better for two handed chords
the other thing that may be a factor is the Split Point settings
Any info on this would be helpful .
mikf:
I use AI fullkeyboard
sugarplumsss:
Any reason for A1 Full keyboard versus Full Keyboard?
The Split point dialogue is confusing.. but gradually unfurling.
The S stands for Style. Is it difficult to explain why there
is Both S+L as one controllable group AND L ( Lower ) by itself as well as S by itself?
Why do we need the S+L grouped as one.. for convenience mainly?
If using full keyboard mode ( either of them ) what role do Split points of
S Play? Seems like a dumb question, BUT The FULL KEYBOARD Mode suggests
well, the WHOLE keyboard. Do you see what I am struggling to open up for explanation ? :) ;D
mikf:
AI generally provides better chording and recognizes inversions better. These keyboards are pretty good on chord recognition but not always perfect. But I have generally found AI to work well enough, as long as you follow my tip below.
When you use full keyboard settings the split for S is ignored.
You kind of answered your own question on S and L split. Most times people want them to be the same but there can be situations where it’s useful to separate.
Like many people I think you may have found your way to the forum without realizing that the home page has a wealth of information - worries through dozens of pages of lessons, tips, etc. You should go to the home page If you don’t know how to get there hit the reply button then look top left for the link and a whole world of info opens up. Start with the lessons section and work through some of the lessons to get a better understanding of the keyboard and how it works. It is much more logical than you seem to think and might unravel some if your confusion. There is no need for example to try to guess what things mean like S and L. It’s all there in lessons or also in the manual. But frankly the lessons on this site are better than the manual for getting to grips with the basic operation except for very advanced data on deep system operation - which you may never need.
You give no info about your playing skill but one tip that you will not find in lessons or the manual - although this keyboard is very sophisticated in its chord response, if you play ‘full keyboard’ you should recognize that these keyboards need good chord information and you need to develop a playing style that provides that. Many people try to play full keyboard reading typical piano score and are disappointed with the result. That is often because simple piano scores are not always great for this. Fake books are better if you need music. The fake book used to mean for keyboards that the basics chord and melody is there and the player has to use their skill and experience to ‘fake’ the arrangement. This meant they were mostly only useful to pros but with an arranger the keyboard fakes the arrangement for you so they work well for all standards of player.
Mike
sugarplumsss:
Thank you for the extensive response.
In my signature it says, I use the T4 as a drum machine - which means I play the T4 as a keyboard player- ignoring the ACMP entirely except the drums. I am a long time, full time professional musician. Comparatively speaking, musical skill ( not computer ) is very high.
After 5 years with T4 I am considering using it as it was designed to be used.
I spoke to yamaha the support and asked can I save in a folder all voice combinations that I discover among the styles. Many COMBINATIONS of Voice R1 through R3 ( I assume Style and Lower would be saved as well... but my purpose is the Voice COMBINATIONS... formerly called Orchestration.) are very brilliantly found in our Tyros.
There are various brass sax Guitar Vibe pad combinations of the three voices, that would take a long time ( if ever ) to reproduce. Yamaha did an excellent job here.
But I do not use OTS, and am an independent sort of musician who wants to control the sounds in the T4, my own way, if at all possible. I know my approaches are against the grain of the Tyros design, but I am hoping for work arounds.
Unfortunately the Yamaha tech fellow seemed to discourage this.
So I am asking here.. I do not believe the Lessons address this.
If this question requires its own New thread category, you are welcome to move it.
For instance
I create a Folder called Voice Combi
When I come upon a style that contains 3 voices that combine beautifully, I want to extract those Voices and Save them to Folder, while presumably ignoring the Rhythm part of that style. The Lower voice presents some confusion... as I generally use bass in left hand, and play the bass lines myself.
So I am not sure about left hand extraction of the whole style- which contains the much cherished 3 voice combinations.
Then when I am creating my own Registration.. I can pick and choose from this folder a voice combination that I like... actually many choices for that bank.
I am unclear how to do this.
Thank you for your patience with this renegade musician doing things a bit against the grain.
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