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How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« on: March 05, 2018, 02:06:24 AM »
I apologize if this has been posted before, but I was stoked to dicover this...

A little trick I just learned to get an automatic ritardando ending (one in which the tempo slows down until the ending is complete).

Once you tap on your selected ending, just tap on it again...voila! :)
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Offline DonM

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 02:26:38 AM »
This and many more tips on the main page! I think they are in the topic about the pros.
Such as:  If you are in fingered mode, pressing three adjacent notes stops everything but the drums.  Hit a chord to restart everything.  Very useful.  '
Hit just octave notes in chord zone and you get drums and bass only, if I recall correctly.
Most of us never learn everything about the keyboard, regardless of the model! 
Thanks for sharing.
P.S.
It's sort of hard to find.  Here's a direct link. https://psrtutorial.com/music/proClinicHome.html
« Last Edit: March 05, 2018, 02:30:14 AM by DonM »
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Offline Toril S

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2018, 03:17:46 AM »
Hey! I learned something new again😀
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Offline EileenL

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 08:00:09 AM »
This has been on most Yamaha keyboards for a long time.

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 11:30:44 AM »
I looked all over this page and didn't see anything on this topic. What am I missing?
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Offline valimaties

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 04:05:10 PM »
This has been on most Yamaha keyboards for a long time.

A simple and efficient answer ;)

There are a lot of information in keyboards manual (Owner and Reference). In general, it is better to read manual, and if you don't find what you looking in manual, then you may ask. There is electronic manual (pdf), so everyone can search easily through it :)

As the Ritardando ending: try make a double click on ending button (a quickly double click) :)
Korg implements "Loop" on double click of Intros and Ending... Yamaha implements "slowing" Ending, when you double click the ending button.

Regards,
Vali
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Offline MarcusAhlback

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2018, 10:42:17 PM »
Hi,

Call me lazy but but I think this forum is great for both sharing and asking for information.
Often faster than browsing the tutorial and/or operations manual, and you have fun and get to know people a little meanwhile.
So I appreciate your advice KeyboardByBiggs.

Kind regards Marcus
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Offline DonM

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 11:51:53 PM »
This article on Joso's forum contains the information to which I was referring.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/style2_10.htm
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Offline valimaties

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2018, 01:18:16 AM »
Hi,

Call me lazy but but I think this forum is great for both sharing and asking for information.
Often faster than browsing the tutorial and/or operations manual, and you have fun and get to know people a little meanwhile.
So I appreciate your advice KeyboardByBiggs.

Kind regards Marcus

Hi Marcus.
We are pleasure in helping people here, no doubt! For this is created this forum. It is better for every player to read manuals, it had to be in this way, because for this purpose are manuals, for helping people!
I also would like to see an advanced/service manual which could give detailed information about styles, midi and voices creation and editing.

Regards,
Vali
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Offline Toril S

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2018, 01:35:14 AM »
I hate manuals. Always better to ask people :)
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Offline valimaties

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2018, 01:43:46 AM »
I hate manuals. Always better to ask people :)

I hate also the paper manuals, but pdf manuals are great... easy to search and find something. IMO...

Regards,
Vali
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2018, 01:48:29 AM »
I hate manuals. Always better to ask people :)

But, it can also be very nice to find out things by ourself without be told how to.
Well, that was what I thought in my youth when I was hounting for the lovely girls.  ;D
Nowadays, I guess I'm as lazy that everything that can be figured out by others is a better solution than deepdive into big manuals......
Nahh, I'm just joking, but never the less, it's true.  ::)
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Offline MarcusAhlback

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2018, 01:51:47 AM »
Hi Val!

Yes I guess we can agree on that as a general principle. There are information that are easy to find in the manual and there are information that is harder to find and/or understand.
However the line between easy and difficult is individual.

Therefore I think that we should try to have an allowing and generous mindset in the forum, so that we don't scare people from "asking stupid questions".

Personally I think this very thread is quite an good example. I am quite new to arrangers, and I didn't read the manual page by page.
And as I was unaware of this very function, it never crossed my mind to google for it.

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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2018, 02:03:00 AM »
..... I think that we should try to have an allowing and generous mindset in the forum, so that we don't scare people from "asking stupid questions" ...

A common attitude at serious fora is that 'Stupid Questions' don't exist, only stupid answers. ;)
« Last Edit: March 06, 2018, 02:04:32 AM by Gunnar Jonny »
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Offline DonM

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2018, 02:40:14 AM »
I don't recall for certain, but I don't believe the tricks we are discussing were even in the manual, or at least the last one I read.

Offline mikf

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2018, 02:54:54 AM »
One of the most useful things someone relatively new to arrangers can do is to walk through the lessons section on the psr tutorial. If they go to the lessons, then click on start here, and scroll down to Style Controls they will find the instructions for rit. endings.
I think a lot of people jump on the forum and never visit the wealth of information that exists on the tutorial section. Its a lot easier to follow than the manual, and there is more depth and a lot of experience recorded here.
Mike

Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2018, 02:57:19 AM »
The press 3 or 4 keys trick I haven't seen in any manual. Strange, or maybe I'm blind .....
Ritardando (fade in and fade out) is described both in owner and reference manual.
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Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2018, 04:25:22 AM »
It is usually given at the end of the list of recognized chords. It is called "Cancel" and the fingering is listed as "1 b2 2." So Yamaha does list it; they just do not explain what it is.
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Offline valimaties

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2018, 05:57:46 AM »
The press 3 or 4 keys trick I haven't seen in any manual. Strange, or maybe I'm blind .....
Ritardando (fade in and fade out) is described both in owner and reference manual.

I might contradict you:
Ritardando (or rit.) is an indication to gradually decrease the tempo of the music (opposite of accelerando).
So definitely is not Fade in Fade out, which surely means increasing or decreasing volume :)

Ritardando, as I say, you can achieve by double pressing the ending button ;)
This is in the Owner manual, page 64, Ending section explained ;)

Regards,
Vali

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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2018, 06:46:44 AM »
You're right Vali,
I stand corrected. My mistake. :)
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2018, 12:32:22 PM »
It is usually given at the end of the list of recognized chords. It is called "Cancel" and the fingering is listed as "1 b2 2." So Yamaha does list it; they just do not explain what it is.

Yes, you're perfectly right, but had to go into to the 'Datalist' to find it. (Page 45)
As you say, not much info to read about it.  ???

Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Offline Dromeus

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2018, 02:32:24 AM »
The press 3 or 4 keys trick I haven't seen in any manual. Strange, or maybe I'm blind .....
I would not call it strange, in fact it's a crying shame, that Yamaha continues to provide "manuals" that lack information about important features. This is a fact for many, many years and the Genos unfortunately is no exception. I mean, the style engine of the Yamaha arrangers are the best you can get, AI Fingered is really a technology that sets Yamaha apart from its competitors. I really don't understand why this brilliant feature is not explained thoroughly in the manuals.
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Offline mikf

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2018, 02:46:02 AM »
The manual is already quite a daunting document, so I sympathize a bit with Yamaha in deciding what further level of detail is necessary. But no problem, because, as I pointed out, anyone who finds their way here has access to huge amounts of info about these keyboards on the tutorial section.
Mike
 

Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2018, 03:09:19 AM »
...... anyone who finds their way here has access to huge amounts of info about these keyboards on the tutorial section.

But, the manuals don't advice users to go to PSR Tut to learn the instrument. ;)
I think a new user have to fiddle around for years if find out those 'tricks' by pure luck. :o
The trick with the 4 keys where you get the drums and bass running, and bass are detected by lowest key I can't find in any of the manuals.
This is a neat feature, and if I had not read about it here (or maybe also SZ) after other users did talk about it, I would not know it at all.
And 'Cancel' in the Datalist don't tell much about what's being cancelled. ???
Cheers 🥂
GJ
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Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2018, 04:47:40 AM »
Yamaha needs to provide a website filled with tutorial videos on how to use such an awesome and deep machine (Genos as well as many of their other keyboards), feature by feature, as well as performance tips and tricks. Product specialists like Peter Baartmans and Martin Harris should be prominently featured.

This would be a fantastic resource for all owners and a HOT public relations and marketing tool for Yamaha as people considering one their instruments could see all it's capable of.

(Even though they shouldn't charge, I'd even pay for access to something like this.)

I know someone is going to reply that's what this forum is for. Don't get me wrong, this forum is AWESOME and I love being here, but I'm talking about something far beyond what we get here. The two resources would make excellent complements of each other for sure!

And there are only a fraction of Yamaha keyboard owners even aware this forum exists. There should be a URL to a comprehensive, video-based tutorial and resource website in every box. :)
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Offline mikf

Re: How To Get A Ritardando Ending
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2018, 05:06:05 AM »
You are right - someone is going to reply that this is exactly why this website exists!
The people who sell musical instruments dont as a rule also teach you how to play them so I seriously doubt what Yamaha ever provide would exceed or even compliment the masses of information that already is here. If people would just take the time to delve into this they would learn so much.
And of course there are also lessons offered by many people on these arrangers.
Mike