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Offline Bob88

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #100 on: January 05, 2018, 06:30:57 AM »
  A great  post John.  The need  for  a better sounding piano has been  a priority
for  me since my purchase  of a Tyros4 then 5 and now the Genos.  The  remaining instrument voices  keep improving with each new flagship.  I look forward to hearing your registrations.  Thank you.  Bob
 

Offline StuartR

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #101 on: January 05, 2018, 06:38:08 AM »
A further step is you can merge the best of both worlds by layering cfx and LiveGrand (using suitable pans and balances).
When more organised I'll post some registrations of these examples in a different thread so others with a genuine interest in 2-handed piano can try them in Genos if they wish.

John

That would be great. Thanks John!
 

Offline markstyles

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #102 on: January 16, 2018, 02:56:06 PM »
Having been working with the Genos a good amount more; I am discovering aspects I like and things I question..

I think a big issue is,  is the Genos trying to be too many things to different people?  Personally I  hate all the EDM stuff.  Now a musician 30 years younger than me, will love it.. Problem, for most EDM kids, the keyboards and workstations, are cheaper..  And if some one who would be into hiphop, EDM music will have little to absolutely no use to the older polkas, marches, and other old world, old school, sounds and patches. To me, the Tyros contained 90% styles, instruments, I could find some use for. The Genos comes in at 65% for me..

Of course Technology always marches forward, so some musicians can't afford to get left upstream.. So there is a pressure to keep up..  I did not appreciate the Genos teaser ads, which looked more like they were a perfume ad, than actually show exactly what it would and would not do to fancy looking with no real 'meat' in the ad. The new designer bragging about how much research he did has to me ADD.  The instrument is just too eclectic with no real depth in any one area. 

I'm not sure if it's something I haven't discovered yet, but when I change a patch, all arpeggio info disappears. perhaps I need to create registrations, so I don't loose continuity (just thought of that)

Several Accordians just too much out of tune to be of use to me.. I thought I would love the TouchScreen, (I have other kids with them, and always liked them), instead I find it aggravating to have to go levels in to get to the command I want, instead of instantly with the Tyros  I have USB sticks, with a substantial amount of styles. If I pick a style, nested two folders in.. Once I exit that folder, If I haven't written down the path, instead of leaving the last open folder highlighted, it becomes blank, making it a tedious task to find that particular style again.

At 69 years of age, maybe I am just losing touch.. In reality, I have been moving away from 'arranger' music..  I am much more in creating independent music lines, with more instruments, so I am becoming less of a 'kbd arranger' kbd.  Although I still find them invaluable as a compositional tool.  Compositional DAW applications for the most part, can't even get near what Tyros, and Genes can do.

So yes, Yamaha is trying to reach a younger fan base, so us oldsters are dying off, or being priced out of the buying market..

I wished I could have done more research on Genes, before I bought it, I might  have not.. Of course because of its price, no store in NYC will put one on sales floor. You have to buy it site/sound unseen.   I was forced to buy Tyros 3 - 5 that way, but each version moved in exactly the the direction I was very interested in.

There is NOTHING WRONG with Genos, it's just on closer examination. it is not exactly the instrument I was hoping it would be..  I also hate they fact they decided that brighter and tinnier sound over soaked in reverb (to sound more like the compettion) is the opposite of what I

Lest people think I am just old, grumpy, and angry, (which I am sometimes) I have sent off a few emails, to the developers.. Of course I am only one user, and probably not the kind of user, Yamaha is particularly anxious to hold on to.

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #103 on: January 16, 2018, 04:25:53 PM »
I have now learned and used my genos for a while and i must say...i have never been so dissapointed on a yamaha keyboard ever, not since the old psr 8000 came out, i loved all the tyros and i am so sad that i sold my fully packed T5.
The GENOS is a new mashine, yes, and it sounds good, a bit better than Tyros5 yes... but the handling and the screen....OH MY GOOD! It is the worst crap.....

The touch screen is not a real touchscreen like samsungtab or Ipad....GENOS has a very old one command screen with only one funktion per press.... if you want to turn both base and drums of at the same time....you can not donthat. When you want to rename a file it takes forever to do it and when you are perfoming and time is everything,,,, you have to press that slow screen a million times to get what you sant.

How many extra euros would it have cost to make the controls bright in light? 2 euro? 3euro? Black controls on a black keyboard? Who came up with that idea?

I am a modern musician, and i play modern music and use my GENOS in the studio, and in the studio its ok....but, what is the use of that small smaalll livescreen.....it is so limited that indont know...

Oh lord wont you buy me a Tyros 5 again....i miss my superfast T5 with its user friendly layout and real buttons...

D
 
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Offline whataguy

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #104 on: January 16, 2018, 05:34:34 PM »
Is it safe to assume that you fellas would dump your Genos to get a T5 again? Weeeellllll, I got a T5, stand, speakers and about a million styles (probably some y'alls too) on flash drives. Plus there are very very few bad notes left as I have used them all up. How many $ plus my T5 would it take to make us all happy. I can't play worth a **** and would enjoy not being able to play worth  a **** with a Genos. I'm so much of a music snob I would love to be able to say 'I have the latest and I can't even play, so there'.  Trade ya! Don in MI

Offline mcbrown

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #105 on: January 16, 2018, 05:38:55 PM »
Don, now there's a challenge for the regretful Genos owners who sold their T5.

Oh, and yes, I love my Genos.

Murray
Genos + GNS-MS01 spkrs, TouchMix 30 Digital Mixer, Fender Strat, Music Man 210 75 guitar amp, Behringer GMX 212 Guitar amps & FCB1010, Behringer B1200D Sub & B205D f/b spkrs x 4, Boss GT-10 Guitar Fx, Roland GR-55 Guitar Synth, LD Systems MAUI 28 G2 x 2
 

Offline whataguy

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #106 on: January 16, 2018, 05:47:19 PM »
Hi, not only do I envy you having a Genos, WARM weather, and that list of instruments (are they haves or have hads?) you list, you have the AUSTRALIAN OPEN going on. I love playing tennis as much as playing kbds even though I suck at both. Being old is no excuse, I sucked at both when I was 50-60 years younger. Isn't being alive fun? Don in MI

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #107 on: January 16, 2018, 07:01:37 PM »
Having been a faithful Tyros owner (3 of them), I have never heard so much negative publicity about a Yamaha successor keyboard! Is it possible Yamaha hired some idiots from Microsoft, and those idiots were turned loose inside Yamaha and soured the milk? Microsoft has a gift for producing the world's worst crapola. Surely, Yamaha isn't following a broken corporate model.

Then again, perhaps Yamaha hired a whole bunch of new blood that have no idea what the hell they're doing. Sure, they can design and build a great keyboard, but have they totally lost their market focus? I can see phasing out the older players for new, but to drop us off the bridge in one instant is corporate suicide. The Tyros and PSR series were 80 percent musical instruments driven by 20 percent computer technology. It sounds to me like Genos is a 80 percent "broken computer" with 20 percent musicality. Thatís an exaggeration, but one must wonder, ďWhat went wrong?Ē This whole Genos thing has been one bumpy road after another since the pathetic release videos and now, huge numbers of software disappointments. Am I generalizing? Perhaps, but try telling that to the increasingly number of disappointed people who just blew thousands of their country's currency.

Wow, this is really mind boggling. All along, I've complained that we Canadians are last to receive this dream machine. Sounds like we're the lucky ones because the Genos, while sounding pretty good, in reality could be a nightmare. Did the value of my used Tyros 5 just increase 30 percent :)? Paint me skeptical about the Genos.
Current Gear: Tyros 5, Nord Electro 5D, SoundCraft mixer, two Bose L1 Compacts, 15 inch sub designed and built by myself, Yamaha HS8 studio monitors, Cubase 8 Artist, Steinberg UR-44.
 
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #108 on: January 16, 2018, 08:11:13 PM »
Adrian, unfortunately, when wearing a hearing aid, the keyboard will never sound a good as it did when your hearing was not impaired. Hearing aids set up for men tend to amplify high frequency sounds, mainly because that is the sound we, as males, tend to loose with aging and hearing damage from loud noises. Women tend to loose the low frequency sounds for the same reasons. My wife says God intended for this to happen so I can ignore her when she's backseat driving the car and she can ignore me for the same reasons. ;)

Many years ago, I purchased a hearing aid because I could not understand individual voices when I was in a crowd of people, many of whom were talking at the same time. The hearing aid solved that problem, but when I wore it while performing with my keyboard, it amplified the high sounds, and blocked out the mid and low frequency sounds. I stopped using it the following day and never looked back. My best advice: Buy some ear buds, then you can set the volume where it sounds best to you without any outside interference.

Good luck,

Gary  8)
Love Those Yammies...
 
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Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #109 on: January 16, 2018, 10:50:54 PM »
Is it possible Yamaha hired some idiots from Microsoft, and those idiots were turned loose inside Yamaha and soured the milk? Microsoft has a gift for producing the world's worst crapola.
Why drag Microsoft in this discussion with unsubstantiated claims and a poor choice of words? Please, we're not 15 anymore...
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Offline Gunnar Jonny

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #110 on: January 17, 2018, 01:30:14 AM »
.... Please, we're not 15 anymore...

As you grow older you will find that you may be young at heart ...... ;)
Cheers & Happy Playing.  :)
GJ
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but by how many you brought with you." (Wil Rose)
 

Offline mcbrown

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #111 on: January 17, 2018, 03:10:36 AM »
Don in MI,
The "have hads" have been removed and the list is what I currently have.

I'm just in the process of purchasing a Cole Clark Fat Lady 3 acoustic guitar which will hopefully be the last purchase for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBPrvW3b00

Murray
Genos + GNS-MS01 spkrs, TouchMix 30 Digital Mixer, Fender Strat, Music Man 210 75 guitar amp, Behringer GMX 212 Guitar amps & FCB1010, Behringer B1200D Sub & B205D f/b spkrs x 4, Boss GT-10 Guitar Fx, Roland GR-55 Guitar Synth, LD Systems MAUI 28 G2 x 2
 

Offline whataguy

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #112 on: January 17, 2018, 07:56:19 AM »
WOW!Up to now, Drake was 'DaMan' but you've passed him. As they say somewhere 'good on ya'. I envy the hell out of you as I struggle through what little I am able to accomplish on the T5. Maybe I should take up, uh, just listening. Don in MI

Offline Will49

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #113 on: January 17, 2018, 01:24:52 PM »
I think a big issue is, the Genos trying to be too many things to different people?  Personally I hate all the EDM stuff. 
So yes, Yamaha is trying to reach a younger fan base, so us oldsters are dying off,
At 69 years of age, maybe I am just losing touch..
Thatís the exact feeling I got when I had the first ever glimpse of Genos in one of the first video demos - by Martin Harris, I think. When I saw that his left hand was more occupied on the sliders and knobs than it was actually playing the keys, I remember thinking: ďGoodbye arrangersÖ welcome to synth landĒ! I turned 69 last week, so maybe Iím losing touch as well! :o

And as for this whole thread in general, I'm amazed at how much it's turned into a discussion about piano voices and speakers/PA systems etc., etc., especially as there was much more than that to DavidB's displeasure about the Genos in his opening post. Iím also surprised that Iím the only one to have complimented him on his choice of instrument (the Roland AT-800 organ) when he announcement (Reply #86) that he had just acquired such a magnificent instrument! Makes me think that those who come from an electronic organ background (like myself) are a bit thin on the ground here. Heck, am I THAT old? Hmm, like I said earlier, I was 69 last week so maybe that explains it then!!! ;D ;D

Regards,

Will
To David B: If you still pop in here from time to time, and if you come across thisÖ I hope you are still very happy with the AT-800. And, even more importantly, hope that you are also continuing to respond well to your cancer treatment.
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Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #114 on: January 17, 2018, 02:21:58 PM »
If it makes you feel any better, Will, I'm 65 soon and cut my teeth on a Lowery Holiday organ back in 1962 :).
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Offline travlin-easy

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #115 on: January 17, 2018, 02:36:47 PM »
Wow! 69 - sue wish I were 69 again. I was in great physical condition then, good ogled by the ladies a lot, my hair was medium brown, and I was playing 7 days a week plus some night jobs to boot. Never thought those days would end, but at age 76, last year, I had to retire because of poor health issues. Yep, right now, 69 seems very young to me. ;)

Good luck,

Gary 8)
Love Those Yammies...
 
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Offline DavidB

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #116 on: January 18, 2018, 02:24:16 AM »
To David B: If you still pop in here from time to time, and if you come across thisÖ I hope you are still very happy with the AT-800. And, even more importantly, hope that you are also continuing to respond well to your cancer treatment.

Thank you Will. My treatment starts for real tomorrow, so I guess it's the big day but I have to admit to being more than a little bothered by what side effects I might suffer. Still, a little discomfort to attempt to beat and evil disease will be worth it I hope.

As for the Atelier, I absolutely love it. It is totally focused on the kind of music I want to play and the sound quality, particularly of some of the SA voices (Yep, Roland have them too) is wonderful. I was playing it the other evening, and I suddenly realised I wasn't hitting as many bum notes on the Roland, when I remembered an article I read about how Roland stick to the tried, tested and proven 165mm per octave and Yamaha have reduced their keyboards to 160mm. It seems for my fat fingers, that 5mm makes all the difference.

Anyway, I don't want to bash the Yamaha's, if you're happy with yours then I really am delighted for you. Mine Genos is still for sale, and for me I made absolutely the right decision getting the Atelier.

Thanks again for asking after me Will,

David.
Just don't mention Genos USB drive letter assignments :)
 
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Offline pjd

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #117 on: January 18, 2018, 05:53:23 AM »
My treatment starts for real tomorrow, ...

Good luck, David!

-- pj

Offline stephenm52

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #118 on: January 18, 2018, 06:09:07 AM »
David, Wishing you the best with your treatments, Godspeed!
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Offline Will49

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #119 on: January 18, 2018, 12:19:40 PM »
If it makes you feel any better, Will, I'm 65 soon and cut my teeth on a Lowery Holiday organ back in 1962 :).
Hi Lee, Even though youíre a few years younger than me, having started in 1962, you are many years ahead of me in this game as I didnít get into it until the early 70s. In those days, live organ music in pubs was quite popular, and the one I used to go to almost every Saturday night had a horseshoe Lowrey spinetÖ canít remember which model it was though, but it certainly got me very interested!

Wow! 69 - sue wish I were 69 again. I was in great physical condition then, good ogled by the ladies a lot, my hair was medium brown, and I was playing 7 days a week plus some night jobs to boot. Never thought those days would end, but at age 76, last year, I had to retire because of poor health issues. Yep, right now, 69 seems very young to me. ;)

Good luck,

Gary 8)
Thanks Gary. So far, I also consider myself very fortunate to be in pretty good shape: Height 6ft 1in; Weight: 70.3 kg; BMI: 20.4; Restring HR: 48 (see link to a recent photo below). I walk (briskly) 40 to 45 miles per week, and one of my other hobbies is cycling (road, not MTB). According to one study on fit cyclists, it was found that several in the 55 to 79 age category who cycled regularly were physically and biologically much younger than most people of the same age Ė up to about 10 years younger in some cases! But unlike you when you were 69, I canít say Iíve noticed being ogled by the opposite sex, ha-ha!! ;D ;D But those who meet me for the first time are usually quite surprised when I tell them my ageÖ I also have a wife who is almost 12 years my junior! :)

But to steer back to keyboards and music. None of the above will make me appear any younger where my musical tastes are concerned, as itís very much Ballroom, Country, light/gentle Jazz, Latin and anything of the Ďeasy listeningí genre Iím afraid. I daresay, therefore, that Iím still a bit of a dinosaur to the youngsters who want tons of EDM/Techno and the like!
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Kind regards,
Will
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Offline Will49

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #120 on: January 18, 2018, 12:21:52 PM »
Thank you Will. My treatment starts for real tomorrow, so I guess it's the big day but I have to admit to being more than a little bothered by what side effects I might suffer. Still, a little discomfort to attempt to beat and evil disease will be worth it I hope. Thanks again for asking after me Will
Hello David. No problem at all; Iíve often been wondering how things are with you. I wish you all the very best with your treatment, and hope that none of the possible side effects will be too troublesome!

I was very pleased to read that you are very happy with the Atelier. Itís a beautiful instrument; Iíve watched several YouTube videos of Hector Olivera on the Atelier organsÖ amazing stuff! All the best for now; please keep us posted.

Kind regards,
Will

Offline MINKYCATS

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #121 on: January 18, 2018, 03:15:22 PM »
Hi David,

We have communicated by PM concerning the Genos and I did wish you well at that point. But I hope and pray that your treatment will be totally successful and that any side effects will be minimal.

As regards the Atelier, I am so pleased that you are enjoying it. It is my kind of instrument and I have a Yamaha AR100 which is of a similar ilk to your Atelier. I wish you many happy years playing it.

I played at a Bingo Hall (Regal, Darlaston) at weekends from 1973 to 1994 and enjoyed playing a Hammond C3 there. But, unfortunately, the demise of the home organ had begun by 1994.

I play the same genres of music as Will and some light classical music and still prefer the organ to the keyboard and I really should play my AR100 more but poor health in the form of a mini stroke a couple of years ago. I am 76 and until then was quite active but I find it difficult to play for long periods without some discomfort afterwards.

As others have said, I hope you will drop in on these forums. I donít think that you have to own a Yamaha or any other make of  instrument to be a member and you can be sure of a welcome from everyone.

Kindest regards

Trevor
Yamaha AR100 organ:  Tyros 5 - 61
Previous: Hammond C3 with PR40 tone cabinet, Yamaha E30, Technics SX-EX60, Yamaha EL70, Technics KN7000 and others.
 

Offline Will49

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #122 on: Yesterday at 03:21:13 AM »
I played at a Bingo Hall (Regal, Darlaston) at weekends from 1973 to 1994 and enjoyed playing a Hammond C3 there. But, unfortunately, the demise of the home organ had begun by 1994.
Hello Trevor, That was indeed a very sad time. I remember drooling over a Yamaha EL90 in a music store in Swindon when they first appeared here in the UK... must have been around 1991. Sadly though, I think its price tag was around £10,000Ö which was more than double the cost of the most expensive organ I've ever had (a Kawai DX-900) eight years earlier in 1983!

Physically, my current keyboard, the Tyros 5/76, is the largest Iíve ever owned (size and weight is if no consequence to me as a home player) but without an upper and lower manual, a bass pedalboard, and all housed in an elegant cabinet like your Yamaha AR-100 and DavidBís Roland Atelier AT-800, itís still a keyboardÖ NOT an organ! Having said that though, as keyboards go, itís the best sounding one Iíve had to date - I love the Ensemble feature and, of course, the Organ World! And with its size and tit up screen etc., itís certainly the most impressive looking one Iíve ever had as well. In fact, Iím not sure now where I might go from here because Iím afraid that the Genos does nothing at all to impress me in terms of looks when compared to a T5/76, so I donít see me changing it any time soon! I apologise to all of you proud Genos owners out there for having said thatÖ perhaps itís just my rather old-fashioned way of looking at these things!

Kind regards,

Will
P.S. Sorry to see that you suffered a mini stroke a couple of years ago, Trevor, but itís good to see that you are still able to play your keyboard and your AR-100... albeit for short periods at a time. I obviously donít know exactly how the mini stroke has affected you, but perhaps regular intervals at the keyboard and the AT-100 might be beneficial by way of post-stroke physiotherapy? So try to stick at it as much as you canÖ unless your doctor tells you otherwise obviously!
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Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #123 on: Yesterday at 11:15:49 PM »

Everytime i read this topic title, it makes me wonder.

How can anyone be dissapointed by the Genos?
I just don't get it, i am having so much fun, and enjoying the sound so much.

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #124 on: Today at 02:44:15 AM »
I think, Yamaha praised Genos too much, so we expected too much.
Is the Genos an organ or not?
Well, the portable D-Deck type Electone organ hasn't a wooden cabinet, it is more like a Tyros/Genos with one more keyboard.
And in the 1970's there were much organs with one keyboard only in a suitcase.
I guess, that much organ users ignored the bass pedalboard, used auto bass and auto accomp instead, had a spinet organ with 2 x 44 keys - for these people a Genos/Tyros wouldn't be a disadvantage and if they dislike the look, they could buy a CVP arranger piano instead.
 

Offline StuartR

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #125 on: Today at 03:52:15 AM »
Everytime i read this topic title, it makes me wonder.

How can anyone be dissapointed by the Genos?
I just don't get it, i am having so much fun, and enjoying the sound so much.

Agree. I've had several other arrangers, sold them all and bought two Genos arrangers, one for home and one for the studio. All around great keyboard.

Offline stephenm52

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #126 on: Today at 04:18:17 AM »
Everytime i read this topic title, it makes me wonder.

How can anyone be dissapointed by the Genos?
I just don't get it, i am having so much fun, and enjoying the sound so much.

PLUS ONE!  42 years ago I worked in sales for a Hammond Dealer, at the time the top of the line spinet organ was the Aurora........selling price $4500.   Fast forward to today it was in the price class of the Genos, but could not nearly come close to what Genos is capable of sounding like. 
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Steve's Genos Recordings

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Offline Will49

Re: Extremely Disappointed with Genos
« Reply #127 on: Today at 05:20:05 AM »
How can anyone be dissapointed by the Genos? I just don't get it...
Well, I think that question has already been answered. Some (including DavidB here in this very thread) have already given us their very explicit reasons why they feel Genos is not suited for their needs and/or tastes! I guess it's very much like the old saying goes: 'One man's meat is another man's poison'! I don't think there will ever be one keyboard (not even Genos following future updates) that will be everything to all people! 😉

Regards,
Will
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