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Offline CRTyros

Martin Harris and montage
« on: August 27, 2017, 02:23:46 AM »
Hi alla,
I was just watching this youtube clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BwAdGzIzrg

Just wanted to share and discuss....

Where Martin (normally known from the Tyros world) demos Montage.
A couple of interesting points:
The new sample piano is 1 GB uncompressed with 16 sek waves.
New samples of Rhodes and wurlitzers with mechanics separated (to adjust as needed)
New Seattle section of strings (individuals and orchestra)

Again nothing new that has already been mentioned in this forum, but just for fun.
Does anyone know what sounds have been taken from the tyros5 to the new montage?
Does that mean that we are getting a new piano in the next (Genos)?
Does that mean that we are getting a new electric pianos in the next (Genos)?

Everyone have a great weekend!

/Claudio
 

Offline EileenL

Re: Martin Harris and montage
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2017, 04:02:52 AM »
Only time will tell and not long to go now.

Online Bachus

Re: Martin Harris and montage
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2017, 07:08:53 AM »
Its just sales marketing..

He is praising the CFX as the best piano sound ever made by Yamaha..

However, the piano sounds is straight forward AWM2 technollogy
While on the Clavinova’s they use a virtualisation technollogy
This technollogy is called SCM spectral component modeling
Or its predecessor VRM virtuall resonance modeling
These models are what makes a piano sound realistic for a piano player
They take care of things like string and damper resonance.
And this makes the Montage piano sounds despite the new samples
Sounding less authentic then the Clavinova range and other Yamaha DP’s

To me its still a letdown that these high end technollogies never made it on the Montage
Prooving that the Montage is a pure synthesizer.. and not a keyboard players instrument
And as a synthesizer its a letdown because the AN and the VL and SC engines Yamaha has never made it into the instrument..

Good news however, i think that all those high end technollogies might make it to the Genos
Because that will be the keyboardplayers instrument of the future..

Life is like a box of chocolats, you never know what you are gonna get, so enjoy them all.  I am wayting for the next box of chocolate the Yamaha Genos.

Admin of : www.keyszone.boards.net
 

Offline pjd

Re: Martin Harris and montage
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2017, 11:51:28 AM »

Hi Claudio --

Just getting back from a long trip...

Thanks for posting the link to Martin's demo. Very interesting, especially the background information about where samples where taken.

Sound development is so time consuming and international that I think it must be a continual, on-going process at Yamaha. I have an hypothesis that Yamaha's sound designers draw from the most current samples in the Yamaha closet when finishing off a new top-of-the-line (TOTL) keyboard like the Montage, or dare I say it, GENOS. :)

Last April, I made a timeline of Motif and Tyros models, believing that the Tryos and Motif contemporaries had roughly the same samples:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/yamaha-long-view/

Even if the samples are the same, Motif and Tyros are voiced differently. At least with Motif or Montage, we can see a list of actual waveforms while this info is hidden for Tyros/PSR.

I think the Seattle string samples predate the Montage and are in the T5. Same for the Telecaster.

I also made a list of new waveforms in Montage vs. Motif XF:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/montage-new-waveforms/

This list might indicate new voices in GENOS, but as always, only Yamaha knows.

Hope this info is helpful -- pj
 

Offline CRTyros

Re: Martin Harris and montage
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2017, 09:10:24 PM »
Hi PJ,

Always a pleasure reading your informative posts.

I agree it is very interesting to see the commonalities between Motif and Tyros.
I have the T5 + Motif XS rack and the mega voices seem to share about 90% of the velocity sample range.
Or at least when I record the midi data from the T5 using a mega voice and then apply a motif mega voice I get the same result.

Samples are half the truth about good sound the next part is the effects and here again as I understand the T5 got the WCM effects from the motif line.

/Claudio