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Offline LArmatage

Transposing a Registration
« on: August 10, 2017, 09:01:50 AM »
Hello from Canada;
   I have a situation that I've tried to figure out, without success.

Let's say I have a song that I want to play in C, because that's best for my voice range. I do a registration, and save it in C.  I first save the registration with "Transpose " OFF, (not checked).

Now, let's assume that I am playing the song with someone, and they prefer to sing  it in E. I know how to transpose it.... go to  that new key (MIXING CONSOLE >>> Tab to TUNE >>> adjust KBD to +4 for "E" ). That's fine.... each of my Registrations will play in "E".

Now, what I'm looking for is how to program my Registration so that it  goes back to "C" when I next play  that song, and press Reg 1.

I've tried putting the song in "C" and entering it in "C" in  both the Master, and the Song settings, but it still won't revert back to my desired key, if I've changed it.

Is there a way to do this? It's  a bit of a bother to go back and check to see if the Reg is in the  desired  key, and then have to reset it if it isn't.

Thanks for any help,

Larry
 

Offline Paula

Re: Transposing a Registration
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2017, 09:20:32 AM »
are you playing a Midi?
 if it a song you play with the style in the Reg. i always leave my transpose  checked in the memory ,now if someone wants to sing it in another key transpose it to there key and you can still put it in the memory if your using more then one reg just dont save it and it will go back to the key  you originally had it in
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Offline MBedesem

Re: Transposing a Registration
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2017, 10:47:55 AM »
General information in topic J22 of the PSR FAQ (http://psrtutorial.com/lessons/faq/PSRFAQ.htm):

J.22.  Overview of Registrations

Registrations are among the powerful tools available on your keyboard. They are capable of storing an enormous number of command functions and use very little space. They can be stored in the keyboard's onboard memory, a floppy disk, a USB drive, and if available on your model of keyboard, on an internal hard disk drive.

WHAT IS A REGISTRATION

Much of the confusion pertaining to registrations centers on the difference between a Registration, and a Registration Bank.  Yes, there is a difference.

A Registration is the command information stored under one (1) Registration Memory button.

A Registration Bank is the command information stored under eight registration Memory Buttons.

WHAT COMMANDS OR INFORMATION CAN BE SAVED IN A REGISTRATION

There are 10 commands that can be saved to most PSR series of keyboards, and 11 in some Tyros series keyboards. The list includes:

1. Song (midi file link)
2. Style (onboard or User)
3. Voice (onboard or User instrument voice(s))
4. Multi-Pad (onboard or User)
5. Harmony (Instrument voice(s))
6. Tempo (style)
7. Pedal (functions you wish your foot pedals to perform when activated.)
8. Transpose (Master, Song, or Keyboard)
9. Scale (tuning scale of keyboard)
10. Mic Setting (All microphone settings)

HOW DO I SELECT THE INFORMATION TO BE SAVED

Press the Memory button on the right side of the keyboard. This will open the Registration Memory Contents Page. All of the above command functions are listed on this page. They are activated by placing a check mark or tick on the box next to each of the commands. This is done by scrolling through the lost using the Data Entry Wheel, or press the bottom of the #2 thru #7 buttons at the bottom of the display, then using the top (On) or bottom (off) of the #8 button to select or deselect the command function(s).

Once the appropriate boxes have been selected, the next step is to select the location where you wish the command information saved. This can be any one (1) of the eight Registration Memory buttons, which is saved by merely pressing the button. Keep in mind, however, the information is only saved temporarily–IT IS NOT PERMANENT YET!

The permanent save is not activated until you perform the following steps:

1. From the keyboard's Main Screen, Press the "J" button on the lower right side of the display. This will open the Registration Bank Page.

2. Press the TAB button and tab to the location where you wish to store the information, User, Card, USB, HD1, etc...

3. Press the Save Button (bottom of the #6 button) and a screen will open that allows you to Name the Registration Bank.

4. Using the #1 thru #9 buttons at the bottom of the display, provide the registration bank with a name. The name you provide the Registration Bank will depend upon whether you wish to use a single button for each song, or you wish to use all eight buttons for a single song. This procedure will be explained in more detail in the ensuing text. At this juncture, if you are new to creating registrations, or having some difficulty, I suggest naming each button with a Song Title. This can be changed at any time without losing the stored information.

5. After naming the Registration Bank, press OK and the information is Permanently Stored.

CREATING A NEW REGISTRATION BANK:

I suggest creating a special registration bank that will be used just to create a new bank of registrations, one where every page is blank and awaiting information. This is easily accomplished by performing the following steps:

1. From the keyboard's Main Page, Press the "J" button, which opens the Registration Bank Page.

2. Select any previous registration by pressing the button next to that registration.

3. Press the Save button at the bottom of the screen (bottom of #6).

4. When the Registration Bank page's naming feature opens at the bottom of the display, hold down the DELETE button until the name is erased, then using buttons #1 thru #8 RENAME the registration bank as NEW, and press OK,

5. After renaming the bank, it will be highlighted on the Registration Bank Page. At this point, press the EDIT (bottom of #8 on most keyboards), which will display in information on each of the eight individual registrations. All of the information from the previous registration bank will be on that page.

6. Press the DELETE button (bottom of #5 on most keyboards), select ALL, and press OK. This will temporarily remove all of the information from the current registration bank. IT WILL NOT have any effect on the previous registration bank, which is STILL stored under its original name.

7. After deleting the information on the NEW registration bank, press the UP button, which will return you to the Registration Bank screen, then press the Save button at the bottom of the screen, followed by the OK button. A message box will open telling you that registration already exists and ask if you wish to overwrite the registration. Select YES and the NEW registration will be overwritten. Now you have a blank slate to create new registrations from.

CREATE A STARTUP REGISTRATION.

A Startup Registration is one that instantly recalls pertinent commands that will be used every time you turn on the keyboard. This is among the easiest to create, yet it can be the most important registrations. It will essentially tell the keyboard how you wish your foot pedals to operate and specialized settings for the keyboard's onboard vocal processor.

1. From the keyboard's Main Screen, press the "J" button and when the Registration Bank page opens select the NEW registration.

2. Press the Save button at the bottom of the screen.

3. When the naming feature opens at the bottom of the screen, hold down the Delete button until NEW is gone, then rename the Registration Bank to STARTUP and press OK. Now exit to the main screen.

4. Press the MEMORY button, which will open the Registration Memory Contents page.

5. UNCHECK every box on the Registration Memory Contents page OTHER THAN Pedal and Mic Settings–these two must remain checked. Then exit to the main screen.

6. Press the keyboard's DIRECT ACCESS button, then step on one of your foot pedals. (Be sure the pedal(s) are connected to the appropriate jacks.) This will open the CONTROLLER page, which will allow you to assign the functions you wish your pedals to perform. Once the functions have been selected, exit to the keyboard's main screen.

7. Press the keyboard's Mic Setting/Vocal Harmony button. This will allow you to select the type of vocal harmony you wish, and also select individual mic settings that are best suited for your mic and singing voice. After adjusting all of these parameters, exit to the keyboard's main screen.

8. Press the MEMORY button, followed by the #1 Registration Memory button. NOTE: The only information (commands) that will be saved in this registration is PEDAL and MIC SETTING!

9. Press the "J" button, which will open the Registration Bank page, press SAVE, OK and when asked if you wish to overwrite the existing file, select YES.

10. Press the MEMORY button and when the Registration Memory Contents page opens, UNCHECK the MIC and PEDAL BOXES, and recheck all of the other boxes. Now, exit to the main screen.

This will allow you to create subsequent registrations without affecting any of your mic or pedal settings.

Additionally, upon turning on the keyboard, the very first registration you should select is the STARTUP registration. This will instantly activate all of your specialized mic and pedal settings. NOTE: Be sure to press the #1 Registration Button or the information will not be retrieved and features will not be activated. You would be amazed at the number of individuals that forget to press that single button.

CREATE A REGISTRATION BANK FOR EIGHT SONGS.

There are two, time-tested methods of creating registrations banks, both of which are used by professional entertainers throughout the world. Each has its own merits, and each is very effective at eliminating dead time between songs. The first, creating a single registration for each song, for a total of eight songs per registration bank.
 
The second is to create an entire bank for each song. There are a huge number of options available for each method, and it would be impossible to cover all of them without writing an entire book on registration creation. Therefore, the following is merely a starting point, guidelines that will, hopefully, make creating registrations and registrations banks easier.

1. Press the "J" button, and when the Registration Bank page opens select NEW.

2. Using the steps outlined above for renaming the registration bank, rename it to a specific music genre. For starters let’s rename it to "COUNTRY1", press OK and exit to the main screen.

3. Now, select a Country style from the style section of the keyboard. Country Pop would be a good one for a song I have in mind, City Of New Orleans by Willie Nelson. After the style has been selected, the keyboard should revert to the main screen.

4. Now, select the Intro, tempo, and variation.

5. Select the various voices you wish to use, Right1, Right2, Right3, Left. You can also tune each of those voices using the Mixing Console.

6. If you use the transpose feature, select the half-step you wish to use for that particular song.

7. Be sure the accompaniment, Auto Fill In, OTS Link, Variation and Sync Start lights are on, and the Start/Stop light is flashing.

8. Press the Memory button, which opens the Registration Memory Contents Page. Every box other than Mic Setting and Pedal should have a check mark (tick).

9. Press the #1 Registration Memory button. The button should turn red.

10. Press the "J" button on the lower right corner of the display, which will open the Registration Bank page.

11. Press the Edit button (bottom of the #8 on most keyboards), which opens the Registration Edit page.

12. Press Name followed by OK.

13. When the naming feature box opens, rename the first registration to City Of New Orleans, then press OK, followed by the UP button, which will take you back to the Registration Bank page.

14. Now, press Save, OK and when you see the message the file exist and do you wish to overwrite, select YES!

After filling each of the eight registrations with songs, you now have instant access to those songs. Of course, after a while you may not remember what songs are in the Country1 Registration Bank. However, this is not a problem because you can access the bank on the fly and by merely pressing the Edit button on the lower right corner of the display you can quickly see what songs are contained within that bank. Then, when you are finished with the song you are playing and singing, you can press the button next to the displayed song and all of the information you saved will be instantly recalled. As soon as you press a key, the keyboard will fire up with the correct style, intro, tempo, variation, right hand voice(s) and left hand voice.

Now, if you wish to create another Country registration bank, merely press the "J" button again, select NEW, rename it to Country2, and you're ready to go.

OPTION #2 - CREATING A REGISTRATION BANK FOR A SINGLE SONG.

This particular option is not much different than using a single button for each song, but it does have one advantage. Every song will be in alphabetical order, with 10 songs displayed on a page. Again, we'll use the same song, "City Of New Orleans" by Willie Nelson, for demonstration purposes. The difference is that we will use the entire bank of eight buttons for this one song. Keep in mind that registrations DO NOT take up a huge amount of space; therefore, you do not need a massive amount of storage space to hold a huge number of registrations.

1. Follow steps 1 thru 7 above to set up the keyboard for the song.

2. Press the Memory button, followed by the #1 Registration Memory button.

3. Press the Memory button, and UNCHECK every box other than VOICE and STYLE, then exit to the main screen.

4. Now, select new Right1, Right2 and Left voices that you feel would add variety and enhance the song.

5. Press the Memory button, followed by the #2 button. This will add those new voices, while at the same time not have any effect on the performance while you are playing. You can add as many registrations as you feel necessary to switch variations and voices during the performance.

6. Keeping track of the changes you made is easy. Just name the changes you made using the Edit button.

7. Press the "J" button, then save the ENTIRE bank as City Of New Orleans.

Some folks like to use folders to save their registrations, which is OK if you have lots of time–most performers DO NOT. If you decide to use folders, I suggest naming them alphabetically, such as A thru C, then placing all the registrations (songs) beginning with the letters A thru C in that folder. Keep in mind that it is not necessary to use folders–it's just another option.  (posted by Gary Diamond)
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Online EileenL

Re: Transposing a Registration
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2017, 01:49:13 PM »
Don't forget to have your transpose set to keyboard when setting into registrations.

Offline LArmatage

Re: Transposing a Registration
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2017, 05:07:57 PM »
Hello again;
   I guess I didn't phrase my question very clearly.

Paula, when I leave Transpose checked in Memory, and assuming I did the registration in "C", when I want to transpose up  4 semitones,  (to "E"), the first Reg plays in the new key, but when I press R2, (and beyond to R8), it goes back to "C". The only way I can get all Regs to transpose is to leave Transpose unchecked in Memory. Then they all follow what is selected in Reg 1.

Eileen, I am using KEYBOARD when I change the key.

Michael, all my arrangements  are done with Registrations. If the answer to my question was in the list of things you sent, I'm sorry I missed it.

So. I'll try to be clearer. Let's assume I sing "By the Time I get to Phoenix " in C, and I have a registration arrangement of it saved, (I generally use at least 6 Regs for a song, and quite often 8).
Now, a friend want to sing it, say in "E" (I'm a Bass, he's a tenor).  I transpose it up 4 semitones, and it plays fine.

My question is , is there a setting that will have it reset the Registration key back to "C" the next time it is selected, or do I have to manually set it back to "C"?   It's not hard to do, but I have to look up what key I sing it in, (I suppose I could put that into the Text file I often use to introduce a selection).
Is there a setting I need to select to have it reset back to the key I did it originally in, ("C") ?

Hope this is clearer.

Thanks,
Larry
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: Transposing a Registration
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 07:10:03 PM »
Paula, when I leave Transpose checked in Memory, and assuming I did the registration in "C", when I want to transpose up  4 semitones,  (to "E"), the first Reg plays in the new key, but when I press R2, (and beyond to R8), it goes back to "C". The only way I can get all Regs to transpose is to leave Transpose unchecked in Memory. Then they all follow what is selected in Reg 1.

It seems to me that if it is just the keyboard parts (style, R and L voices, etc) that you want to transpose, you have answered your question in the final two lines of the quote above.

All that you need to do for each registration bank is to transpose the keyboard to your 'normal' key (C) and save that setup into the Reg. 1 button with 'Transpose' checked.  Then save any other setups into the other 7 buttons but with 'Transpose' unchecked!

This will set the keyboard transpose to your normal key (C) each time that you press R1, which presumably you do when you load the bank to play a song.  After pressing R1 you can transpose the keyboard to suit the singer if necessary and start the song.  Because 'Transpose' was not checked when you memorised buttons R2-8 in the bank, pressing any of them will not change the current transpose setting.

If you have registration banks already saved that have the transpose setting memorised in all buttons, then you will need to modify them.  You can do this manually one at a time on the keyboard, or if there are lots of them, Murray Best's 'Yamaha Registration Manager' program for PC can probably 'remove' the transpose from the offending buttons in a batch operation.


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Ian

Offline LArmatage

Re: Transposing a Registration
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 03:13:32 AM »
Hi Ian;
   I was up early this morning, and I figured it out, (what you said in your post). Your confirmation will help greatly for future awareness.

Thank you for your excellent ideas.

Best wishes,
Larry