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Offline maartenb

It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« on: July 29, 2017, 07:31:44 AM »
If the Genos is to have the same sound generator chip SWP70 as the Montage (and I believe it will), then theoretically it should be possible for the Genos to have native FM synthesis sounds on board. The sampled, famous DX7 "bells" are pretty good on the Tyros, but they don't sound as expressive as the real DX7 or Montage.

I would love to have real FM sounds like the bells and basses on the Genos!


Maarten

Offline Marcus

Re: It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2017, 10:09:49 AM »
I really liked the Yamaha Modular Synthesis Plug-in System, that adds a COMPLETE SYNTHESIZER or SOUND PROCESSING ENGINE to any Modular-Synthesis-Plug-in-compatible synthesizer or Tone Generator. I have several Yamaha PLG-150 boards with two available expansion slots on my MU-100r Tone Generator. Great resource for home studio work or adding polyphony to a project.

Each board come with a full PC editor program. With my PLG-150DR (drum-kit board) I have a full PC drum editor, plus on-board MU-100R editing, and allows for two separate drum tracks (or drum-kits) to sound at the same time. Sometimes I have used these MU-100R plugin expansion boards with my Tyros 5, but cool if these separate expansion circuits could be built into a Yamaha arranger.

Maybe Yamaha might consider adding such chip sets or reproducing similar sound synthesis architecture from the FM type world inside the Genos. Whatever Yamaha comes up with will be interesting, even if certain past successes are revisited and reintroduced (like full drum-kit editors in previous Yamaha gear).

Yamaha Modular Synthesis Plug-in System
https://ca.yamaha.com/files/download/brochure/4/324594/msps_en_02.pdf

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Online Bachus

Re: It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2017, 12:32:00 PM »
If the Genos is to have the same sound generator chip SWP70 as the Montage (and I believe it will), then theoretically it should be possible for the Genos to have native FM synthesis sounds on board. The sampled, famous DX7 "bells" are pretty good on the Tyros, but they don't sound as expressive as the real DX7 or Montage.

I would love to have real FM sounds like the bells and basses on the Genos!


Maarten

I dont think that will happen....


Where Montage is build as a synth.. i more likely see a future for arrangers along what we have seen in Tyros 5 with the organ world and the ensembles

If you get FM, it will be part of a possible synth world expansion.. 
the FM part would be more akin to the reface 4 part FM
Altough, would only be one of a few synth engines..
Others should be a Vl engine and two analogue engines like the SC from the reface and the old AN engine from few years past... and with a little luck something like a wavetable synth like the one in Halion 6


And now we are talking about engines...
I hope we will see some of the SCM synthesis that Yamaha is using for their high end piano's
Hopefully in a piano room environment.. just love that in the CVP 709..
And maybe all the SA2 instruments will get their own organworld like interface for edditing..


The difference for arrangers vs workstation is that the same technollogy should be easilly accesible, and the FM of the Montage is anything but easy accessible... the FM of the reface is much more accesible..  i bet Yamaha will do a perfect Job at this, making all the high end tech easy accessible...thats probably one of the reasons why the Genos will have a bigger touchscreen then the Montage.. and a few encoder knobs..


I also heared a rumor that the next CVP probably the 809 will have exactly the same engine as the Genos. That way they only need to design one set of software, which is a huge amount cheaper then having several versions for all different instruments..   if this is true.. its obvious the Genos will make a huge step forward where it comes to piano sounds...
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 12:35:00 PM by Bachus »
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Online Joe H

Re: It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2017, 12:53:09 PM »
Marcus wrote:  I really liked the Yamaha Modular Synthesis Plug-in System, that adds a COMPLETE SYNTHESIZER or SOUND PROCESSING ENGINE to any Modular-Synthesis-Plug-in-compatible synthesizer or Tone Generator.

Yes, that's why I keep mine too.  I have 2 VL boards, AN board, DX board and AP Grand Piano board.  I have an MU128 and an MU100R so all 5 boards are accessible to me at any time.  The envelopes and Filters on the Analog and FM boards are amazing... so responsive... way beyond anything possible with a sampled sound.

 8)

My Proteus 1000 with v2.2 OS has 16 arpeggiators.  I'm working on an Arp Editor that will allow me to edit custom arps real-time as it plays, but lacks filters and controllers like the Motif... and sadly Yamaha left out User Arps and the Arp Editor for the Motif Rack XS   :(

But all in all.. I have a lot of synths and tools to work with to keep me busy til the end of my days!    ;D

Joe H
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 12:54:51 PM by Joe H »
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Re: It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2017, 01:09:54 PM »
Marcus wrote:  I really liked the Yamaha Modular Synthesis Plug-in System, that adds a COMPLETE SYNTHESIZER or SOUND PROCESSING ENGINE to any Modular-Synthesis-Plug-in-compatible synthesizer or Tone Generator.

Yes, that's why I keep mine too.  I have 2 VL boards, AN board, DX board and AP Grand Piano board.  I have an MU128 and an MU100R so all 5 boards are accessible to me at any time.  The envelopes and Filters on the Analog and FM boards are amazing... so responsive... way beyond anything possible with a sampled sound.

 8)

My Proteus 1000 with v2.2 OS has 16 arpeggiators.  I'm working on an Arp Editor that will allow me to edit custom arps real-time as it plays, but lacks filters and controllers like the Motif... and sadly Yamaha left out User Arps and the Arp Editor for the Motif Rack XS   :(

But all in all.. I have a lot of synths and tools to work with to keep me busy til the end of my days!    ;D

Joe H

nevertheless having plugins for the Genos might be something incredible...
Yamaha could sell new plugins on top of the current sample/expansion packs
However, this will only be interesting if all of their future instruments would be compatible with plug in engines.
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Offline John K

Re: It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2017, 02:18:52 AM »
Perhaps something like FM Essentials used in conjunction with the new versions of the MX will be available. You can download that app for your iPad and use the first three or four presets with your keyboards.
 

Online Bachus

Re: It would be nice if the Genos had "FM World"
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2017, 03:16:58 AM »
Perhaps something like FM Essentials used in conjunction with the new versions of the MX will be available. You can download that app for your iPad and use the first three or four presets with your keyboards.

Having FM essentials on an ipad is a hassle if the arranger does not support audio over USB..  if it does, things like this definately become an option, if also supported directly from the keyboard. I.e. The keyboard needs to recognise the app on the ipad to fully make use of it in an arranger..
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