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Offline gerard

Here is a list of keyboards I have played through the years:
Hammond B-3
Lowery MX-1
Technics (Don't remember model number)
Wersi Saturn
Ketron Audya 5
Wersi Pagasus Wing
Korg PA4X
vArranger2 with Ketron SD-1000
Yamaha Tyros 4
Yamaha Tyros 5-76
Yamaha PSR S970 with Nektar LX 88

The keyboards I have played have changed but the music I play and sing have not.
I play and sing over 400 songs.
Some 40's, 50's, and Rock, but mostly Country.
So my choice of styles and voices are based around country music.
I need a keyboard that will give me those styles and voices.
Many of my styles are song specific for the intro and variation parts.
Others on here create song specific styles too.
The PSR S970 gives "ME" what I need.
The ability to play the keyboard and have it respond to the music I play and sing.
Country music voices are primarily acoustic and electric guitars, piano, electric piano, fiddle, organ and sax.
The only downside is that it is 61 keys.
I use a Nektar LX 88 midi controller to get the 88 keys I need, and semi weighted action too.
It has ligher action than the M-Audio 88 or any other 88 key controller.
I never got used to hammer action keyboards. Starting with th B-3, it spoiled me. lol

I do not need Ensemble or any other the other niceties that are on the Tyros 5.
I just need something to play country music primarily.
And the PSR S970 is about $3000 USD lower than the Tyros 5!

So, if you are considering an arranger keyboard, get one based on what you need.
If a keyboard has a nice feature and you never use it, why pay for it.

These are just my thoughts and I thought I would share them with you.
Everyone has their own idea as to what they need, but is what you think you need, what you will end up using?

Gerard

Online Joe H

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2017, 12:42:26 PM »
gerard,

I agree with just about everything you state but this...   "If a keyboard has a nice feature and you never use it, why pay for it".

The answer to this is any manufacturer can only make a profit by selling 1 or 2 models.  So we all get some functions that we don't need or use, but it's the only way Yamaha or any other company can make a profit, particularly on higher priced keyboards.

Regards,
Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

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Offline SeaGtGruff

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2017, 01:54:57 PM »
One thing about paying for features you don't use-- you can't always be certain that you won't eventually decide to use them, so it can be nice to have additional features to "grow into."

Of course, if you've been playing for many years, and have experience with many different brands and models of keyboards, it's safe to say that you've already figured out which features you actually want to use! ;)
Michael Rideout
YPT-400, PSR-E433, PSR-E443
 

Offline gerard

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2017, 02:16:22 PM »
Yes Michael, I can say been there done that.
Each arranger has its own features and is just a matter of figuring out which ones you need to play the songs you normally play.

Joe H, I agree, there are only a few models but, there is the E series, the S series and the Tyros series.
I found the S970 to fit the best for me.

I am not trying to show one arranger is better than another, only want to show that sometimes you don't need the best to do the job.

By the way, the Lowery MX-1 retailed for $10,000 when it came out! LOL
 

Offline mikf

Gerard - Your points are valid from a logical point of view, but for most people on the forum the keyboard is a hobby, and when it is your hobby logic goes out the window. People will typically want the best available that they can afford, even if it well exceeds their needs - and why not. Its why we work and save. Just look in any hack golfers bag (including mine) and you will see the truth of that!
Mike 

Offline pmedina

Hi Gerard, nice analysis, specially for people who are looking to buy an arranger, or changing the one they own now. This is not my case.
 

Offline Keyboardist

Most people do not use what is truly capable of what the keyboards can do.
Gerard nice point which doesn't come up all that much.
Its nice to think we have the instrument capable even if we don't use all the features in case we do get the erge and then; Ggees's the next one comes out and we want that one.
I like the analogy of the golf clubs as some are guilty of trying to by a better game perhaps a new driver will give me that 300 plus yards  :) or new irons will lower my score to the low 70's  :)
The Tyros 5 is like having a Ferrari to some ;D  but you only drive it at 40MPH speed but you know it can better 100 plus plus easily.
If you can afford the premium stuff and makes you happy people get it.
Life's too short;enjoy play away, but be honest to yourself and the fact that will I ever use all of what this new keyboard can do;probably not but Im happy with it regardless.
Craig

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Offline gerard

Gerard - Your points are valid from a logical point of view, but for most people on the forum the keyboard is a hobby, and when it is your hobby logic goes out the window. People will typically want the best available that they can afford, even if it well exceeds their needs - and why not. Its why we work and save. Just look in any hack golfers bag (including mine) and you will see the truth of that!
Mike
Yes Mike, you are right that, most on this forum the keyboard is a hobby.
You may have a champagne taste (Tyros 5) and a beer budget ( PSR S970)
I am trying to appeal to those who want good sound with a beer budget.
Bottom line, everybody's needs are different and you don't have to spend more than you need to to be happy.
But, if you got the money, go for it! LOL
 

Offline MBedesem

I started with one of the toy PSRs which was good enough to get me to purchase a PSR-330, and then on thru other PSRs to the Tyros 5.

What Yamaha excels in are the sounds! The more expensive instruments have more it is true, but the models below it also benefit from the improvement in samples and style/pads.

Unless you need a specific feature of a more expensive instrument, basing your choice on how it sounds to you is not a faulty criteria.

Regards,

Michael



« Last Edit: May 01, 2017, 05:33:29 PM by MBedesem »
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Offline voodoo

I do not need Ensemble or any other the other niceties that are on the Tyros 5.
I just need something to play country music primarily.
And the PSR S970 is about $3000 USD lower than the Tyros 5!

Hi Gerard,

I totally agree. Even though I can afford the T5, I have chosen the S970, since it offers all I need. And it is small, transportable, and has fine on board speakers that work very well for choir rehearsal or small church gigs.

But as always, the less expensive models have some limitations. In this case I would wish a better keybed and better B3 organ sounds (with Leslie with real speed change and overdrive) which are not possible on the S970 because it offers only one DSP for user voices.

Uli
Yamaha PSR-S970
Nord Electro 5D
 

Offline EileenL

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2017, 02:30:30 AM »
Different people have different needs so having a lot of features on a keyboard will cater for most. There are times when I have used the ensemble to get certain effects and it works well but would not use it all the time.
Organ world is very good with lots of scope for those who like editing. I have Tyros 5 and 970. What I miss on my 970 is a hard drive and the ability to split the keyboard three ways. Also miss that third voice.
  At the end of the day we choose what suits us and most are happy with there choice.

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2017, 07:39:35 AM »
My Dad had taught me a kid to buy the test tools of my trade I could afford.   If I gigged out a lot..  I don't think I'd want to move my T5 around a lot.. 

I research a kbd/product..  See that it has what I need, then look at other features..   I might want to use that in 1 year..

I've always had 'tecnonitus'..  (a serious need for the newest and best instrument)..  I've had modify that now, that i don't generate a lot of $$$$.  What I have done, is pull out the manuals for equipment and familiarize and learn any features I may have overlooked..  Learning them is rewarding, and useful.. 

At one point I played in bars/clubs..  After too many people used my kbd has a table, and spilled drinks into it..  I went out and bought something cheap enough that did the job, and wouldn't break the bank, if it broke, or got stolen..

Yes there is absolutely no point in buying features you don't need.   The situation is up to each musician and the type of musical work he does..
 

Offline andyg

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2017, 07:02:34 AM »
I think most home players will use maybe 10-20% of what's on the keyboard in total. But, each player will use a different 10-20%. Consider the player who positively hates country music. They may well end up with the PSR-S970 for the kind of music they like, and never touch that Country style button - ever!

The S class have always represented great value. I teach higher end students on a T5, but most own an S class from the S900 through to the S970. For my teaching in schools, the S class beats the Tyros hands down. 1) Take out of bag, 2) place on stand, 3) plug in and switch on. I've got that down to less than 2 minutes!

Back to percentages to finish. I've had the pleasure of taking several students right up to Diploma standard, and even those students won't use anything near half of what's on offer in total. They'll use more features than the beginners and mid-level players, but still less than half of each section.
It's not what you play, it's not how you play. It's the fact that you're playing that counts.

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Online Bachus

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2017, 11:22:38 AM »
Different people have different needs so having a lot of features on a keyboard will cater for most. There are times when I have used the ensemble to get certain effects and it works well but would not use it all the time.
Organ world is very good with lots of scope for those who like editing. I have Tyros 5 and 970. What I miss on my 970 is a hard drive and the ability to split the keyboard three ways. Also miss that third voice.
  At the end of the day we choose what suits us and most are happy with there choice.

Definately true...  everyone has their own want and needs...

Its good to see there are quite some 88 key arranger players around...

Personally, i have been spoiled and love splitting and layering sounds over the keybed...


A Question to Gerard, if there was an 88 key version of the Tyros, would you buy it?  Despite the fact that you dont really use all those features? But having a single keyboard should be worth something?
Life is like a box of chocolats, you never know what you are gonna get, so enjoy them all.  I am wayting for the next box of chocolate the Yamaha Genos.

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Offline gerard

Re: What does a player really need in an arranger from my point of view
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 08:13:36 AM »
Hi Bachus,
If a tyros 88 key was lighter and had built in speakers, then I would consider it.
My PSR S970 works very nice with the Nektar LX88, and the both together are still lighter than the Tyros 5-76!
For church, I only use the s970.
For gigs, I bring the 88 key also.

Gerard