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Sheet music on an tablet
« on: March 19, 2017, 03:58:38 AM »
Has anyone Heard of a computer program that can handle sheet Music in such a way that I, as a user, with ease can change song.
Please make an recommendation of the program, if there is such program. It is beginning to be a lot of sheets now and it would be
a great help to have it all on a tablet
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 04:27:18 AM »
Has anyone Heard of a computer program that can handle sheet Music in such a way that I, as a user, with ease can change song.
Please make an recommendation of the program, if there is such program. It is beginning to be a lot of sheets now and it would be
a great help to have it all on a tablet

I use asongbook but BauM software. Just watch the video.

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 04:30:25 AM »
I know of the following programs

Mobilesheets Pro, available for Android and Windows 10 tablets
Forscore, available for iPad

I use Mobilesheets Pro on a 17" inch Android tablet, and have it configured so that, when I load a registration file on the PSR S770, the corresponding music score is automatically loaded on the tablet (through MIDI connection)
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 05:03:35 AM by reya »
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Offline JohnStarbuck

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 05:53:32 AM »
I use Forescore Ap on iPad Pro. I'm completely satisfied with both. Next to my keyboard, it IS my favorite thing.You may want to consider a page turner (pedal) as well!
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 07:36:23 AM »
Thanks for the tip. I am going to check up For Score since I have an android tablet.
According to the videos on the internet it looks great.
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Offline Matrix

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 08:09:29 AM »
At the moment forScore is not available for an Android tablet.
I use Orpheus on my Android Tablet and it's perfect. Only 3.04 for the pro version
There is a free version but FREE means limited.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gramercy.orpheus&hl=en

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Offline Marty

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 03:33:15 PM »
I use ForScore on the iPad and have my Psr S770 perform the page turns via a song (midi) file. Saves on a foot pedal !

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Offline Bernie9

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 02:44:56 AM »
I have used "Unrealbook" for several years on my iPad.  I have several hundred songs on it, and they can be annotated and linked.

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2017, 04:16:52 AM »
Rolf has an Android tablet so the above will not be available for him.

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2017, 03:59:08 PM »
I have downloaded Orpheus and it works OK with PDF files. I have a lot of ordinary sheet music. I was thinking of making Pictures in my tablet of the sheet, but then it ends up like an jpg file.
I cant understand how I go from there
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Offline Fred Smith

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2017, 04:48:09 PM »
I have downloaded Orpheus and it works OK with PDF files. I have a lot of ordinary sheet music. I was thinking of making Pictures in my tablet of the sheet, but then it ends up like an jpg file.
I cant understand how I go from there

If by "go from there" you mean convert the jpg to a pdf, there are lots of converters available. Just google "jpg to pdf".

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 01:40:34 AM »
I have downloaded Orpheus and it works OK with PDF files. I have a lot of ordinary sheet music. I was thinking of making Pictures in my tablet of the sheet, but then it ends up like an jpg file.
I cant understand how I go from there

You may also find additional info on a Orpheus forum.
If you were to go for Mobilesheets Pro on Android, it will handle jpg, pdf, png and many other file types out of the box. No need for conversion
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 01:42:15 AM by reya »
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2017, 01:57:09 AM »
This means that Mobile Sheet is a bit sharper than Orpheus. Wonder if there is a trial version available
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2017, 02:35:33 AM »
This means that Mobile Sheet is a bit sharper than Orpheus. Wonder if there is a trial version available


Yes there is, it is called mobilesheets free

You can find a link to it on the BUY tab of their website. See below

http://www.zubersoft.com/mobilesheets/
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2017, 05:45:32 AM »
Before starting to digitize your songs, you may also give it some thought, what the optimale score file size is for you.
The bigger the (image)file, the harder the tablet will have to work to load it.
Out of the box, a lot of tablets have the picture resolution in the camera app, set to the maximum capability of the image sensor. So you may end up with pictures of your score of a couple of megabytes per page.
Multiply that by the average pages per score and the number of scores you intend to digitize and you will get an idea of the total size of your digital music library.
So it may be wize to expirment a bit to find the lowest resolution that gives you good readability, before starting to digitize.

To give you something to compare to:  My digital song library currently has 1990 songs (mostly single and dual page lead sheets). It takes up some 580 Mb of storage. Which is an average of 300 kb per song (not per page)
At the time I started to digitize, I chose to scan my scores to .png file type using a flatbedscanner and a program on pc, which for me, gave the best results.

« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 05:51:14 AM by reya »
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2017, 08:24:36 AM »
I know of the following programs

Mobilesheets Pro, available for Android and Windows 10 tablets
Forscore, available for iPad

I use Mobilesheets Pro on a 17" inch Android tablet, and have it configured so that, when I load a registration file on the PSR S770, the corresponding music score is automatically loaded on the tablet (through MIDI connection)

Dear Reya,
can I ask you how you set the keyboard to get linked to mobilesheetpro?

I own a psr 3000 and would like to load a song on the tablet and have the corresponding registration loaded on my psr.

 I asked Mike Zuber, the author of MSP, and he replied this:

You can easily change the selected Voice on the keyboard using control change messages or a program change message (patch select may work, I haven't verified). If you are already in the performance mode, do you just need to select one of the entries between 0 and 127? There is also something in the MIDI data sheet called "MASTER TUNE". That can be triggered using a more complicated system exclusive message. I don't really know what the master tune is though. Without knowing your keyboard better, I'm not really sure what setting it is I should be trying to trigger.

but I don't need to select a patch (voice), I need to select a registration or a Music Finder entry.

Can you please help me?

Simone

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2017, 08:37:17 AM »
Dear Reya,
can I ask you how you set the keyboard to get linked to mobilesheetpro?

I own a psr 3000 and would like to load a song on the tablet and have the corresponding registration loaded on my psr.

 I asked Mike Zuber, the author of MSP, and he replied this:

You can easily change the selected Voice on the keyboard using control change messages or a program change message (patch select may work, I haven't verified). If you are already in the performance mode, do you just need to select one of the entries between 0 and 127? There is also something in the MIDI data sheet called "MASTER TUNE". That can be triggered using a more complicated system exclusive message. I don't really know what the master tune is though. Without knowing your keyboard better, I'm not really sure what setting it is I should be trying to trigger.

but I don't need to select a patch (voice), I need to select a registration or a Music Finder entry.

Can you please help me?

Simone

From other threads on this subject, we'v determined you cannot do this on a PSR. An app can load a registration from the hard drive of a Tyros, but this feature is not available on PSRs.

On both model lines (PSR and Tyros) you can go the other way -- your registration, with an appropriate midi file, can load the sheet music on your tablet if your app supports this feature.

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2017, 11:15:45 AM »
Dear Reya,
can I ask you how you set the keyboard to get linked to mobilesheetpro?

I own a psr 3000 and would like to load a song on the tablet and have the corresponding registration loaded on my psr.

 I asked Mike Zuber, the author of MSP, and he replied this:

You can easily change the selected Voice on the keyboard using control change messages or a program change message (patch select may work, I haven't verified). If you are already in the performance mode, do you just need to select one of the entries between 0 and 127? There is also something in the MIDI data sheet called "MASTER TUNE". That can be triggered using a more complicated system exclusive message. I don't really know what the master tune is though. Without knowing your keyboard better, I'm not really sure what setting it is I should be trying to trigger.

but I don't need to select a patch (voice), I need to select a registration or a Music Finder entry.

Can you please help me?

Simone

Hi Simone,

I am afraid I can only confirm what Fred wrote.
What you want to do cannot be done on PSR, only the other way around.

See the thread I started about this some time ago.

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php?topic=34730.0

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Offline simondrake

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2017, 01:26:30 PM »
Dear Fred and Rudy, thanks for responding. Now I realize that what I need is not possible.

I think I can try the other way around. Before starting can you suggest me some indication?

Should I start from creating the registrations with a dummy midi file in it as Fred showed in his nice tutorial? In this case I would use one reg button each song right?

And the. How can I have a list of songs to chose from ? I will use my songs in church they are about 150

And finally how do I control my tablet ( which can receive midi input by the way)

Thanks for helping me...

Regards, Simone

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2017, 04:59:00 PM »
Dear Fred and Rudy, thanks for responding. Now I realize that what I need is not possible.

I think I can try the other way around. Before starting can you suggest me some indication?

Should I start from creating the registrations with a dummy midi file in it as Fred showed in his nice tutorial? In this case I would use one reg button each song right?

And the. How can I have a list of songs to chose from ? I will use my songs in church they are about 150

And finally how do I control my tablet ( which can receive midi input by the way)

Thanks for helping me...

Regards, Simone

You can use one button per song if you like, but most of us use one bank (8 buttons) per song.
The advantage of using the full bank per song is you can name your registration as the name of the song. Then finding a song is easy.

Not sure about your question of how to "control my tablet". If you know it can receive midi input, that's all you need. When set up properly, loading the registration will automatically play the midi file, which communicates with the app to load the desired pdf file. All you need to do is go "wow" when you press a registration button and the correct sheet music appears on the tablet.

Fred

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2017, 06:00:13 AM »
Just out of interest how do you add your sheet music to the Mobilesheets Pro app on your android tablet ?

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2017, 06:20:19 AM »
Hello Matrix,

I use dropbox for that.



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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2017, 06:21:48 AM »
Once you have your scores in dropbox and synced across can you store then on the SDMicro card, if so how is this done  :)

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2017, 07:17:49 AM »
Hello Matrix,

store on sd card must be possible, never tryd it.

When you open the pdf files in dropbox you can export it ( right corner upstairs)to mobilsheet.

The free version is limited to 8 files.


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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2017, 07:46:12 AM »
Many thanks Rudolf, Maybe it's sync from Dropbox then move to SD card, i will try it out

Regards
Matrix  :)

PS: Just found this Video    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIEFANEdJVM
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2017, 08:19:46 AM »
Dear Matrix,
I'm not sure if what I add makes sense to you, anyway I save my music sheets with my pc in OneDrive (but dropbox must be very similar I guess). after that from the tablet I go in "file" in the song edit page, and upload the music sheets from there (you can choose the folder from there, it says dropbox, google drive I think and other options). when you find your file you select and import. obviously you need access to the folder, I do it via wi-fi.

Now where does mobilesheetspro store these file I don't know exactly, I think in the memory card.

Hope this can help, but the process is very simple. you can add more files per song.

Simone

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2017, 08:46:23 AM »
You can use one button per song if you like, but most of us use one bank (8 buttons) per song.
The advantage of using the full bank per song is you can name your registration as the name of the song. Then finding a song is easy.

Not sure about your question of how to "control my tablet". If you know it can receive midi input, that's all you need. When set up properly, loading the registration will automatically play the midi file, which communicates with the app to load the desired pdf file. All you need to do is go "wow" when you press a registration button and the correct sheet music appears on the tablet.

Fred

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Dear Fred,

thanks for your reply. I will try to use one full bank per song.

But now my problem is: how do I set properly my keyboards to send  midi message to my tablet? once I set the midi channel (say 16) in both devices, which midi data link a performance to my pdf song on the tablet?

Thanks for your patience.

Simone

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2017, 08:47:14 AM »
Hi Simone,

appreciate you helpful reply, what i was trying to work out was if once i have added my sheetmusic to the mobilesheets app can i then clear it off dropbox without my sheet music dissappeering, The reason i ask is i have over 15gb of sheetmusic i wish to add and dropbox only allows a max of 2gb for a free account.

What i am hoping for is to have my sheet music stored on the SD card so the app can pick it up from there, There must be a way of doing it, i just have not found it yet. Will keep plodding away till i get there i don't give up that easily  ;)

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2017, 08:54:31 AM »
Hi Simone,

appreciate you helpful reply, what i was trying to work out was if once i have added my sheetmusic to the mobilesheets app can i then clear it off dropbox without my sheet music dissappeering, The reason i ask is i have over 15gb of sheetmusic i wish to add and dropbox only allows a max of 2gb for a free account.

What i am hoping for is to have my sheet music stored on the SD card so the app can pick it up from there, There must be a way of doing it, i just have not found it yet. Will keep plodding away till i get there i don't give up that easily  ;)

Matrix

Hi Matrix,

I have not tried it myself but
in Mobilesheets :
If you go to the SETTINGS option in the overflow menu,
and then STORAGE
uncheck "let mobilesheets manage my files"

and then load your songs from the SD card into Mobilesheets. It should be using the files in their original location (the SD card)
If your tablet is running android 4 variant, there may be issues when MS Pro tries to write to SD card, but maybe that will not happen

good luck

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2017, 09:18:10 AM »
Dear Fred,

thanks for your reply. I will try to use one full bank per song.

But now my problem is: how do I set properly my keyboards to send  midi message to my tablet? once I set the midi channel (say 16) in both devices, which midi data link a performance to my pdf song on the tablet?

Thanks for your patience.

Simone

Well you need to choose a unique MIDI id for every song.
A midi ID consists of 3 parts, MSB , LSB and Program Change.
Each of those is a number from 0 to 127
So the ID for your first song may be 0 0 1
for the next song 0 0 2
. . .
0 0 127
and then
0 1 1
and so on.

Once you have chosen the ID for a song, you have to save a MIDI file containing that ID to your registration button 1 of the releated registration file on the PSR.
(The midi file is seen as a SONG by the PSR so you need to save it as a song to the registration).
and on the tablet, you need to add that same ID in mobilesheets in the MIDI tab, under"load song on receive".

To save you from creating the midi files for the keyboard, you can download them pre-made here

http://www.baum-software.ch/downloads/DummyFilesGeneric/Channel_01/MSB_000.zip

(hope this link still works)

hope this helps.

Rudy
« Last Edit: March 22, 2017, 09:19:27 AM by reya »
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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2017, 09:52:26 AM »
Hi Matrix,

I have not tried it myself but
in Mobilesheets :
If you go to the SETTINGS option in the overflow menu,
and then STORAGE
uncheck "let mobilesheets manage my files"

and then load your songs from the SD card into Mobilesheets. It should be using the files in their original location (the SD card)
If your tablet is running android 4 variant, there may be issues when MS Pro tries to write to SD card, but maybe that will not happen

good luck

Rudy

Many thanks Rudy  :)

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2017, 10:21:22 AM »
Many thanks Rudy  :)

Glad to help!

One additional thing. If you have 15 Gb of sheet music, that must be quite a number of songs.
If you are considering loading all that in Mobilesheets and adding some metadata to it (artist, composer, key, album . . . . ), you may want to check out the PC Companion of Mobilesheets.
It is free software for windows pc's, and works as a sort of remote control for mobilesheets.

The principle is as follows.
You need a tablet with mobilesheets and a windows pc with PC companion installed.
Both have to be on the same network.
You launch the PC companion on the pc
You launch Mobilesheets on the tablet, and in the overlfow menu you select 'sync to PC'

Mobilesheets will then connect to the companion, and from there on you can work in Mobilesheets using your PC.
Whatever you enter or change in PC companion on the PC is not stored on the PC, but transferred realtime to Mobilesheets on the tablet.
You can batch import music scheets using the companion, they will all be sent to the tablet.
You can also make a backup of all your sheets including annotations, metadata . . .  using the companion. That backup file can then be stored anywhere you have access to from your pc (it may take awhile for 15 Gb as it will all be transferred from the tablet to the pc . . .)

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Offline Matrix

Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2017, 10:25:39 AM »
Brilliant, that's exactly what i am after.
Thank you so much for that information Rudy, Much appreciated

Regards
Matrix  :)

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2017, 11:09:30 AM »
Well you need to choose a unique MIDI id for every song.
A midi ID consists of 3 parts, MSB , LSB and Program Change.
Each of those is a number from 0 to 127
So the ID for your first song may be 0 0 1
for the next song 0 0 2
. . .
0 0 127
and then
0 1 1
and so on.

Once you have chosen the ID for a song, you have to save a MIDI file containing that ID to your registration button 1 of the releated registration file on the PSR.
(The midi file is seen as a SONG by the PSR so you need to save it as a song to the registration).
and on the tablet, you need to add that same ID in mobilesheets in the MIDI tab, under"load song on receive".

To save you from creating the midi files for the keyboard, you can download them pre-made here

http://www.baum-software.ch/downloads/DummyFilesGeneric/Channel_01/MSB_000.zip

(hope this link still works)

hope this helps.

Rudy

Super! I'm going to try. I just hope to understand where I have to put msb lsb and PC but first I  go and try. Thank you very very much

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2017, 01:34:06 PM »
Super! I'm going to try. I just hope to understand where I have to put msb lsb and PC but first I  go and try. Thank you very very much

The files that Rudy directed you to already have everything in them you need. Just watch my video on how to enter them in songbook.

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Re: Sheet music on an tablet
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 11:41:50 PM »
Fred and Rudy,

I spent yesterday evening between Fred's excellent videos, tutorials and these posts. I created the first registration 1 bank for my first song. I downloaded all the dummy files (zipped in a folder called MSB 000 if I remember well) and copied on a USB memory stick. I loaded the 1st song of the 1 st folder ( song 01.000.000.000) into the registration and renamed with the song name. Filled some memory buttons with different settings ( RM1-RM5) and saved the reg bank. Set the midi parameters oh the per to transmit on ch1 midi-usb and my mobilesheetspro to receive on ch1. Edited the song on the tablet midi program change: msb 000 lsb000 PC 000.

Magically my music sheet appeared!

I said yes!

From then something went wrong. I don't know if I messed things up because I was asked if I wanted to save the second registration when editing it and maybe I overwrote something... Anyway I made two more entries with the following songs ... ... ..1 ... ... ..2 but randomly I got always and only the 1st song sheet displayed.

So I killed the keyboard and restarted from scratch formatting registrations (on + b6).

No luck.

Last thing I did was to check the songs to see in song editor if in tab 1-16 it showed msb LSB PC on the midi as Fred showed in his video, but there are not. Could it be that the songs I downloaded are corrupted or incomplete?

I am very sorry to bother you with my incompetence, but I am preparing a gig for April 7 and I'd like to use my tablet for the first time and see if it's reliable.

If I cannot no problem I've always survived, but that would be very convenient to select the song and have the right music in front of me!

Simone