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PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« on: March 06, 2017, 05:40:23 AM »
Hello,

I have been trying to use the mega voices but noticed that the touch response is very sensitive for these voices.
If I try to use the Nylon guitar, it gets very difficult to control it as most of the notes get muted and they sound abrupt.
I did try messing around with the touch response settings and they hardly matter at all.
Am I using them incorrectly?

Any ideas?

Thank you
 

Offline browzer

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 06:39:12 AM »
Hi,

Mega voices were designed to be mostly MIDI controlled and mainly used in styles etc., not really suitable for normal play.

Ronnie
Tyros 5
 

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 06:51:44 AM »
Hi,

Mega voices were designed to be mostly MIDI controlled and mainly used in styles etc., not really suitable for normal play.

Ronnie

Interesting! As I thought, definitely something wrong with my usage. :)
Will start looking into their meant possibilities now. Thanks a lot for the information Ronnie.
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 07:02:02 AM »
If you download the 'Data List' for your keyboard from the Yamaha Downloads web site, you will find voice 'Maps' for all the Mega Voices which show the sounds made by different note velocity ranges up to B5, and the effects for notes above C6.

This may help you to understand Mega Voices, and why they are not really 'playable' on the keyboard.


Regards

Ian

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2017, 10:17:58 AM »
If you download the 'Data List' for your keyboard from the Yamaha Downloads web site, you will find voice 'Maps' for all the Mega Voices which show the sounds made by different note velocity ranges up to B5, and the effects for notes above C6.

This may help you to understand Mega Voices, and why they are not really 'playable' on the keyboard.


Regards

Ian

Thanks so much Ian.Looks like I have some studies to be done. Any sort of tutorials on these out there as such?
Thanks once again.
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2017, 11:53:14 AM »
I am not aware of any tutorials about using Mega Voices.

As Ronnie has already said, rather than being played 'live' using the keys, they are really intended to be used in styles, MIDI songs, and Multi Pads where the specific note velocity to get a particular sound at the correct volume can be programmed accurately using step recording or editing tools.

You will find examples of styles, Multi Pads and possibly even MIDI songs in the presets on your S970 that use Mega Voices, so examining the MIDI events of these on the relevant channels may be of some interest and help.  You can do this on the keyboard using 'Song Creator' for MIDI songs and 'Multi Pad Creator' for MPs, but 'Style Creator' is a bit more restrictive in what channels it will actually display in it's 'Edit' tab, so it may be better to use a computer DAW or a program such as Michael Bedesem's 'MixMaster' to look at styles.

Here is a link from which the program can be downloaded...   http://psrtutorial.com/MB/mixMaster.html

An example of a preset Multi Pad on your S970 that uses the 'Trumpet' Mega Voice is 'BigBandSwing1' which is in the 'BrassPhrase' category.

If you open this in 'Multi Pad Creator' and select pad #4, then tab to the 'EDIT' page, you will see the notes in the MIDI event list that is displayed. If you move down the list to the first Note event, and then across to highlight the note Velocity in the column to the right of the note value, you can use the data wheel to change the velocity value and as you do so, the note will play the sound that is mapped to that velocity.  By starting from 1 and working upwards, you will hear how the velocity values from 1 to 20 produce a trumpet sound played 'mf' which increases in volume as you increase the velocity.  Then at value 21 the sound changes to the trumpet played 'f', starting out at low volume and increasing up to max. at velocity 40. 

This way you can hear all the sounds for this voice all the way up to a 'glissando up' for velocities from 121 to 127.  You can see the sounds and their ranges in the Data List, so this procedure may be useful to you in understanding Mega Voices.

Here is another link to a previous thread about Mega Voices which although doesn't expand much on the above, may be of interest.  Although it refers to a PSR-S910, the example given in it also applies to your S970 since that voice is present on it too...

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,20103.msg137790.html#msg137790

Finally if you haven't already got a copy, it is worth downloading the 'PSR-S970 Reference Manual' which although doesn't help much regarding the use of Mega Voices, it contains information about using the Style, Song and Multi Pad Creators on the keyboard.


Regards

Ian

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 08:01:24 PM »
I am not aware of any tutorials about using Mega Voices.

As Ronnie has already said, rather than being played 'live' using the keys, they are really intended to be used in styles, MIDI songs, and Multi Pads where the specific note velocity to get a particular sound at the correct volume can be programmed accurately using step recording or editing tools.

You will find examples of styles, Multi Pads and possibly even MIDI songs in the presets on your S970 that use Mega Voices, so examining the MIDI events of these on the relevant channels may be of some interest and help.  You can do this on the keyboard using 'Song Creator' for MIDI songs and 'Multi Pad Creator' for MPs, but 'Style Creator' is a bit more restrictive in what channels it will actually display in it's 'Edit' tab, so it may be better to use a computer DAW or a program such as Michael Bedesem's 'MixMaster' to look at styles.

Here is a link from which the program can be downloaded...   http://psrtutorial.com/MB/mixMaster.html

An example of a preset Multi Pad on your S970 that uses the 'Trumpet' Mega Voice is 'BigBandSwing1' which is in the 'BrassPhrase' category.

If you open this in 'Multi Pad Creator' and select pad #4, then tab to the 'EDIT' page, you will see the notes in the MIDI event list that is displayed. If you move down the list to the first Note event, and then across to highlight the note Velocity in the column to the right of the note value, you can use the data wheel to change the velocity value and as you do so, the note will play the sound that is mapped to that velocity.  By starting from 1 and working upwards, you will hear how the velocity values from 1 to 20 produce a trumpet sound played 'mf' which increases in volume as you increase the velocity.  Then at value 21 the sound changes to the trumpet played 'f', starting out at low volume and increasing up to max. at velocity 40. 

This way you can hear all the sounds for this voice all the way up to a 'glissando up' for velocities from 121 to 127.  You can see the sounds and their ranges in the Data List, so this procedure may be useful to you in understanding Mega Voices.

Here is another link to a previous thread about Mega Voices which although doesn't expand much on the above, may be of interest.  Although it refers to a PSR-S910, the example given in it also applies to your S970 since that voice is present on it too...

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,20103.msg137790.html#msg137790

Finally if you haven't already got a copy, it is worth downloading the 'PSR-S970 Reference Manual' which although doesn't help much regarding the use of Mega Voices, it contains information about using the Style, Song and Multi Pad Creators on the keyboard.


Regards

Ian

Thanks a lot Ian for such wonderful explanation. Will certainly try out these... Once again thanks a lot for the guidance.
 

Offline fascarp

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2017, 05:37:09 AM »
A question: if the Mega Voices are intended to be used in styles, midi, etc. and not to be played directory,  why it is possibile to select them as other playable voices?
 

Offline fascarp

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2017, 05:41:47 AM »
Directory  (typed wrong). I mean directly
 

Offline tyrosaurus

Re: PSR S970 - Touch response issues with Mega Voices
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2017, 06:00:18 AM »
A question: if the Mega Voices are intended to be used in styles, midi, etc. and not to be played directory,  why it is possibile to select them as other playable voices?

If you are asking why they can be selected for 'live' Left and Right main voices, then you need to ask Yamaha that!

However a means of selecting them for use in those parts that they are intended to be used with is required.  For example you may want to revoice a particular part (if it already has an existing Mega Voice pattern).

Yamaha also have a program which is supposed to convert normal patterns in MIDIs to Mega Voice ones ('Yamaha MEGAEnhancer').

So a means of selecting Mega Voices is required by some people, and maybe the easiest way of implementing this is to allow their selection using the standard Voice Selection screens.


Regards

Ian
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