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Offline pjd

Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« on: June 06, 2024, 12:19:55 AM »
Yamaha Europe have announced the Yamaha Clavinova CLP-800 series digital pianos:

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/clp-800_series/index.html

After going through the manuals, there isn't much apparent change from the 700 series. The basic piano engine has the same capability as the 700 series. Two new acoustic piano voices (Chill Out and Lo-Fi) plus a few additional DSP effects. Most change focuses on the built-in sound system(s).

Please see the link below for my quick take -- pj

https://sandsoftwaresound.net/yamaha-announce-the-clavinova-clp-800-series/

Offline gogo

Re: Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 02:56:16 PM »
Which makes me wonder, what exactly did you expect from the new 800 series?

Personally, I am not disappointed. But am not enthusiastic, either.
 

Offline pjd

Re: Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 05:58:50 PM »
Which makes me wonder, what exactly did you expect from the new 800 series?

A rhetorical question?  :)

Yamaha have released a number of new pianos for the Montage M series. Even the felt piano and C3 are free downloads for the old Montage/MODX. I don't follow the CP/YC stage very much, but I believe a few of the new pianos were included in free updates.

Then there are the new pianos in Genos 2 (including a Steinway) ...

Nothing in the CLP-800 series? Not even the top end models? Those babies are expensive!

All right, you encouraged me to whine.  :D Yes, they are still good pianos, but, cheesh...

Take care -- pj
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 06:00:09 PM by pjd »
 

Offline Amwilburn

Re: Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 06:37:29 PM »
Having tried the CLP885, you're right, it is primarily focused on the sound reproduction. The crossovers are perfect now; seamless from lows to highs. People who find Yamaha's typical piano sound too bright and cutting, will love this, but I kind of missed the ultra high frequency top end. But most people won't. It's a very comfortable, immersive sound experience. Speakers no longer all pointed in 1 direction either.

On paper, there isn't much difference, no. But once you try it, it *is* a different experience. However, I didn't get a chance to try it on headphones, where I suspect the difference would be slight, if even discernable.

There *is* another very big difference, but I'm not sure how you market this: instead of using the 2nd and 3rd contact points as the key-on velocity detection, it now uses the 1 & 2. (it still uses the 3rd and 2nd to detect key off for fast repeats, but with the 1 & 2 being used for initial velocity, you can play faster, especially noticeable on key repeats and when you're playing pianissimo.

If *you* upgraded from CSP170 to CLP785/885, you'd likely miss the CVP705 sound library & styles that the CSP170 uses (or maybe not, since you already have a Genos). But if you were looking at *just* the piano, the CLP685/785/885 all blow away the CSP170/CVP705 cfx piano sample, and additionally all 3 CLPx85's use the longer 25cm grand key (vs the upright style of the CSP170), and now with the new key on/off algorithm of the 885, it's much more responsive to play.

But the differences are still really subtle, yes. Even going back to the CLP585, the biggest fault with that was the crossover was poorly done (way to "thuddy" sounding) but the actual sample and key touch were already really good.


Offline mikf

Re: Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 08:51:24 PM »
I really doubt that Yamaha ever expected people with a CLP 700 series would rush out to upgrade, so they are not a significant sales target. And that means the 800 didn’t have to be a massive step up. All they need is to improve  however slightly, so that the 800 is the best out there for new buyers in that particular market, or people upgrading much older models.
The fact that it is not a lot better than the 700 will be neither here nor there in sales volume, except for new buyers who opt to buy the old model at a discount until the 700 series stock is gone. And that will be no bad thing for Yamaha either.
Their strategy is solid, if unexciting.
Mike

Offline pjd

Re: Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 10:17:34 PM »
All they need is to improve  however slightly, so that the 800 is the best out there for new buyers in that particular market, or people upgrading much older models.

I quite agree, Mike. I don't think Yamaha is being challenged enough by its competition.

My opinions are compartmentalized: business vs. personal (AKA "whining"). When gogo asks, "What did you expect?", I responded with my personal view. Plus, I was hoping to smoke out Mark's impression of the CLP-885. [Success! :) ]

Business-wise, during the last (?) Yamaha earnings call, they reported a soft/declining market for digital pianos (especially China). They could be trying to unload Series 700 models in the same way they cleared out CSP1xx models. Without a strong market, maybe they didn't feel the need to drive the market with features?

I think Yamaha will have a tough time promoting the new series on the basis of the sound field technology alone. Customers may or may not care about the sound field -- if Yamaha can draw them into a brick and mortar store. Most people have the ears of a stone figure on Easter Island.  :D

As a lunatic customer, I think the flagship Clavinova piano should have all/most of the piano voices offered, drawing from other product lines. I agree with Mark about missing certain CSP features if I did upgrade.

All the best -- pj


« Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:20:44 PM by pjd »
 

Offline gogo

Re: Clavinova CLP-800 series announced
« Reply #6 on: Today at 06:11:05 AM »
A rhetorical question?  :)

Yamaha have released a number of new pianos for the Montage M series. Even the felt piano and C3 are free downloads for the old Montage/MODX. I don't follow the CP/YC stage very much, but I believe a few of the new pianos were included in free updates.

Then there are the new pianos in Genos 2 (including a Steinway) ...

Nothing in the CLP-800 series? Not even the top end models? Those babies are expensive!

All right, you encouraged me to whine.  :D Yes, they are still good pianos, but, cheesh...

Take care -- pj
So, in your opinion, a new piano sound here and there would be a significant upgrade. I don’t get it. Since we are on a discussion forum, let me explain my 3 gripes with my CLP-575:
- the keyboard is touch-heavy. It does not stop me too much because I am an intermediate player with no possibility to improve on that. I play no more than 30-40 minutes daily so the keyboard heaviness does not cuse me much trouble but… fixed in CLP-745, P-525 and now CLP-845. The 885 is twice the dough for the 845 (at least so was the case in the 700 series) so I must have real good reasons to go for that.

- the speakers produce muffled sound, the highs are absent, the mids are exaggerated, the bass is hollow. It’s not what I expected from a High-end instrument at the time and I am so sorry I had to buy it in a hurry. The fact that the sound system has been improved on the 800 series make them a worthy upgrade for me, especially if I get to play the 845 for half an hour.

- the samples are distorted. I’ve composed 6 miniatures in E minor. The chord E minor sounds distorted. This was not fixed in the 700 series. Wonder how the 800 sound in this regard.

So, from my point of view and the position I am coming from, the 800 must represent a worthwhile upgrade but then again, my piano is already 3 generations behind.

I do not need other samples besides the CFX grand. No need for XG voices, rhythms etc, that’s what my PSR S770 is for.

So, there is now MIDI over bluetooth. Interesting. Why should I need it on a piano… If it could record WAV on my iPad via bluetooth, that would be a thing.

Up to now, I have bought 2 CLPs from Yamaha, I’ve been highly dissatisfied with either of them. To the point that I wonder whether Yamaha can get it right.