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PSR-SX900/SX700/SX600 / Re: Converting Yamaha styles to Korg styles
« Last post by rikkisbears on Today at 05:05:50 AM »
I'm thinking about the weird note groups (I hesitate to call them chords) that are four white notes in a row, like F-G-A-B. I think these are secret messages to the chord voicer to tell it "Make a chord for me using the root note." I've seen this in many Yamaha factory styles and I doubt if any free or commercial tool converts this magic to real (actual) chord .

-- pj


Hi,

Tried checking something on  guitar tracks this morning, probably too good to be true, only tested it with 1 style so far, so won’t get too optimistic.
Thinking the “guitar casm” may not be used in the same way in intro’s and endings 
2 & 3 as it is in the variations and fills. I think the notes play back as recorded, so in Intro’s/Endings notes may not have to be converted/transposed. Only mega voices need to be removed.

Variations and fills on the hand ,some notes need to be transposed. The style I tried only used 5 notes in the variations and fills.
The C2 & G2 were used in “guitar casm” track and as notes in a normal chord track.

F2 transposed to E2
A2 …                  B2      
B2…..                 E3

Should be easy enough to do in xgworks, just have to remember to transpose B2 to E3 first.😁 If it works will be easier than recording half a dozen midi files.

         
Guitar     Note   Guitar   Note
Casm      No.     Chord    No.
         
C2           48       C2        48
         
F2           53      E2        52
         
G2           55      G2        55
         
A2           57        B2        59
         
B2           59       E3      64

         

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Genos - General / Re: Genos plays VSTs wirelessly
« Last post by Neebo on Today at 04:13:02 AM »
Hi Bob,

Further to your question, I used a Mac laptop running Keyscape VST.  I set the Genos Wireless Network mode to access point mode.  Then on the MAC, I went to Audio Midi Setup and created a new midi network in Midi Studio.  Then the Genos showed up as a MIDI option in Keyscape as if I had connected a MIDI cable.  This link might be useful:

https://www.baum-software.ch/downloads/OtherManuals/Manual_Yamaha_Genos_SongBook.pdf

Regards

Neebo
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PSR-SX900/SX700/SX600 / Re: Converting Yamaha styles to Korg styles
« Last post by Amwilburn on Today at 12:45:19 AM »
*** the SFF2 guitar casm is based of FGAB? Yeah that's kinda nuts!

Short answer to OP: yes, if you're willing to do a *lot* of manual labour, including manually revoicing the A5000 drums, and possibly re-recording the guitar parts yourself.
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Genos - General / Re: Genos plays VSTs wirelessly
« Last post by Amwilburn on Today at 12:34:03 AM »
Hi Mark,

I'm talking about Bluetooth LE (Low Energy) MIDI. This technology is definitely "real-time capable" (latencies of 3 - 6 ms between two BLE 5 devices like CME WIDI Master).

As far as I know, no latencies below about 35 ms are possible with Audio transmission via Bluetooth (ver. 4/5), in most cases they are even 100 - 300 ms or more.
All correct; bluetooth's transmission protocols are fast enough for latency free midi, but not audio, no. Although the new APTX (the one that gives the 35ms latency) is promising; maybe someday bluetooth will be fast enough (<5 ms) to be used for headphones, for example!




With "Audio over Wi-Fi" ("Audio over IP"), as I said, the latency is much too high (typically 300+ ms) to play a virtual instrument / VSTi plug-in live. So I'm afraid that this won't work (e.g. controlling a virtual instrument on the iPad by the Genos keyboard, and feeding the audio output of the app in question to the Genos AUX IN via Wi-Fi).

By the way, it might be possible to achieve audio latencies of around 10 ms or less with the current Wi-Fi 6 (IEEE 802.11ax) or the upcoming Wi-Fi 7 (802.11be), but the Wi-Fi adapter built into the Genos ( identical in construction to the Yamaha UD-WL01) only supports Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n), and it would be completely new to me that such low latencies can be achieved with wireless audio transmission.


Best regards,
Chris

It's definitely not 300ms on the GEnos; try using the chord tracker app and streaming audio and watch how out of sync the bars are on bluetooth (audio is often about 1.5 beats of a 4/4 a bar behind the displayed chords) but when using Genos wifi, there is no discernable lag between the displayed chords and the audio. Of course, that's using streamed pre-recorded, I won't truly have a sense as to how much latency there is unless I can trigger my own audio (and yes I agree, the OP is probably referring to midi wifi transmission, playing back the audio on his pc speakers). But just from the chord tracker app, the difference between bluetooth and wifi is *significant*. Try it!


I'm using "access point mode", not infrastructure mode, btw.
THe UDWL01/GEnos uses  802.11 b/g/n, but can't do the 5GHz mode. But even using 2.4GHz mode (802/11 g) on a microphone typically produces 4-5ms latency, which lines up with what I'm seeing on Chord tracker. But I don't have any way to measure the actual latency, no :(

I just tried synching the same song through Genos bluetooth and P515 audio bluetooth; the bars were almost exactly 2 beats behind the visual display of chord tracker for Jai Ho (AR Rahman /Singh version) which has a bmp of 137, so the bluetooth latency can be estimated at roughly 876 ms, which is pretty awful)

Switching the same cellphone to wifi direct connection to the genos, the beats were visually on-beat. THere should be a few ms of latency, but not that i could visually discern.

Mark
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PSR-SX900/SX700/SX600 / Re: Altering Styles on SX900
« Last post by Bernie9 on Yesterday at 10:03:46 PM »
Thank you PJ
That is what I am trying to find. I am sorry to say I have never gotten into this before.
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The Next Yamaha Keyboard / Re: Picture of the Genos 2.0
« Last post by Toril S on Yesterday at 09:03:40 PM »
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PSR-SX900/SX700/SX600 / Re: Altering Styles on SX900
« Last post by pjd on Yesterday at 08:45:19 PM »
Hi Bernie --

If the bass notes are in their own Part, a quick solution is to increase the Release time for the bass Part.

-- pj
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Genos - General / Re: Genos plays VSTs wirelessly
« Last post by overover on Yesterday at 08:15:40 PM »
Chris, as the Genos uses wifi rather than bluetooth, it actually *is* possible to transmit audio and midi virtually latency free (wifi is significantly faster and with more bandwidth than bluetooth, but I wish the Genos had both, as bluetooth has it's advantages as well). I've only done stuff like that on genos using wifi to my cell phone/tablet though, not a pc.

Hi Mark,

I'm talking about Bluetooth LE (Low Energy) MIDI. This technology is definitely "real-time capable" (latencies of 3 - 6 ms between two BLE 5 devices like CME WIDI Master).

As far as I know, no latencies below about 35 ms are possible with Audio transmission via Bluetooth (ver. 4/5), in most cases they are even 100 - 300 ms or more.

The very new "Bluetooth LE Audio" technology (also called "LE Audio" for short) improves the previous "Bluetooth Audio" technology significantly. It is now also used in hearing aids and promises latencies of around 10 ms. Accordingly, "LE Audio" would be real-time capable, but only if both transmitter and receiver support this technology.

With "Audio over Wi-Fi" ("Audio over IP"), as I said, the latency is much too high (typically 300+ ms) to play a virtual instrument / VSTi plug-in live. So I'm afraid that this won't work (e.g. controlling a virtual instrument on the iPad by the Genos keyboard, and feeding the audio output of the app in question to the Genos AUX IN via Wi-Fi).

By the way, it might be possible to achieve audio latencies of around 10 ms or less with the current Wi-Fi 6 (IEEE 802.11ax) or the upcoming Wi-Fi 7 (802.11be), but the Wi-Fi adapter built into the Genos ( identical in construction to the Yamaha UD-WL01) only supports Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n), and it would be completely new to me that such low latencies can be achieved with wireless audio transmission.


Best regards,
Chris
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PSR-SX900/SX700/SX600 / Altering Styles on SX900
« Last post by Bernie9 on Yesterday at 08:15:19 PM »
I have a bunch of piano styles I can use for split piano, but I want to change the piano bass part to a regular bass. That is easy enough except the bass part is very staccato. That is fine for a piano but not for an acoustic bass. I am not sure which parameters would extend the slope to sustain it a bit.
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The Next Yamaha Keyboard / Re: Picture of the Genos 2.0
« Last post by Divemaster on Yesterday at 08:11:11 PM »
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