Hi everyone this question just popped in my head and was curious. I know the Genos Has 32 bit dac and the psr s sx and tyros all have 24 bit DAC. I was Corious can the 24 bit DAC be upgraded to 32 bit on the psr sx series via a major Firmware update. I know all have an OS. Can it be done. 8)
Hi Keyboard Master,Thanks. That's Good To Know. So Basically it;s a chip that is built in the instrument. I was also Curious How Many BIt DAC does the psr e have
No, a DAC (= Digital to Analog Converter IC) is a hardware chip. Its properties are fixed and cannot be changed by a software update.
By the way, only the DAC responsible for the MAIN OUTs and the PHONES OUT is a 32-bit DAC chip on the Genos. Two 24-bit DAC chips are used for the SUB OUTs.
Best regards,
Chris
Thanks. That's Good To Know. So Basically it;s a chip that is built in the instrument. I was also Curious How Many BIt DAC does the psr e have
Genos MAIN AK4490EQ 32-bit
Genos SUB1, SUB2 AK4396 24-bit
Genos SUB3, SUB4 AK4396 24-bit
SX900 MAIN, PHONES AK4396VF-E2 24-bit
SX900 SUB1, SUB2 AK4396VF-E2 24-bit
EW410 PHONES AK4430 24-bit
EW410 D-AMP YDA176 24-bit
This article on some of the older PSR-E keyboards...
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/tag/psr-e443/
But that quote has the phrase "Entry-level products typically use..." and therefore doesn't sound definitive.
Is the 32 Bit DAC making it sound better or did Yamaha improves the Wav Samples of the existing voices.
No and no.Oh i see, and can the uni COMP be switched on and off. my main idea was loading a tyros 4 style and test it between the two. Test this style and try it. Listen to the Brass part which is the Phrase 2 channel. with headphones. mainly played intro3 on Bm chord. i also tested it with the psr s770 too. i have playit on tyros5 before and recorded it. for testing. to my ears it matched more to the tyros then the genos. hee;s the style https://www.dropbox.com/s/izfks7jqhkuzgv1/DiscoHands.T160.prs?dl=0
Yamaha definitely pumped up the Genos styles. Genos has the UNI COMP compressor; SX900 does not. On some Genos styles, Yamaha inserted the UNI COMP compressor on almost every style part. The UNI COMP compressor, the greater number of DSP units and the re-programmed styles make the difference.
Hope this helps -- pj
The DiscoHands style created for Tyros 4, which does not have the UNI COMP compressor effect type. Thus, the style file does not have the necessary MIDI commands to insert UNI COMP on the style parts. If you play the DiscoHands style file on Genos, no UNI COMP will be heard on the style parts.Thank you for your reply. So now i feel that yamaha improved the waveform on the exixting samples that is probably why i heard the Brass part sound more enhanced. if im right.
You would need to edit the style file and add the necessary MIDI commands to put UNI COMP on the Phrase 2 channel (at the very least). If you want to A/B test, that is.
This is now getting very subjective, i.e., what you personally hear in your head.
Best of luck in your analysis -- pj
Why the weasel words? :-) I crawled through as many generations of product as I could. DACs and products evolve, and it's difficult to make definitive, blanket statements. Plus, E-series often use digital amplifiers with the DAC built-in. The YDAxxx amplifiers are Yamaha designs.
Hope this helps -- pj
Also since the Genos has the version 2.0 which added Voices and style to it im sure The same thing can be done to the sx too
...I don't think firmware updates can change the inbuilt wave samples.It really depends on hardware/software structure (which is unknown).
Hey, absolutely no disrespect intended :) !
How I see these things...That's Good To Know Thank you, So That means I guess the reason my Discohands style The Brass Sounded Better because Yamaha improved the waveform (or Maybe the Master Compressor can affect how the sound is produced too). To Make it sound more enhanced. 8)
Number of polyphony has nothing to do with voice quality. Required number of polyphony is only determined by the type of instruments and the number of instruments (that we wish to hear at the same time). That is, when certain voice is playing, it doesn't matter if it's on 64 or on 256 note polyphony keyboard -it will sound the same. And if we exceed the polyphony, keyboard will just stop playing certain note -however those that we can hear will keep it's quality. In short, the voice quality is only determined by wav sample, and sound quality is determined by voice+DAC+amplifier+speakers.
Being at polyphony... the question is, is 128 note polyphony enough for 61 key keyboard? My opinion is, yes is it enough. I say that, because I can't imagine to play a song that would require more than that. And those who really need more polyphony (Beethoven & co) are using 88 key keyboard anyway.
Bogdan
It's hard to say what makes one voice sounding better than another, but one is for sure: it's very subjective. Because many times we can be "fooled" by how loud we listen, by added effects, by simulated articulation, etc. That is, I can only say that some voice sounds good to me -because it sounds the way how I remember certain instrument (from music I've listened). But is that voice actually good? Well.. regardless what others might say, it is for me ;)that's true. Thanks again for your reply. Like said iny my own opinion I feel that when Yamaha made the Genos they adjusted the preset waveform for the existing voices the Megavoice Brass for example. to make it sound bigger and more enhanced. 8)
Hi Kevin --Ok I could Try That
I'm sure you thought of it. Instead of asking Yamaha for a fix (which probably won't come), why not spend time editing the DiscoHands style and make it to your liking?
One starting point is to insert a DSP effect on the brass part and save the style. Maybe try 3Band EQ or one of the compressors (VCM or Compressor Melody presets)?
Hope this suggestion helps -- pj