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Yamaha Keyboards (4 Boards) => The Next Yamaha Keyboard => Topic started by: ton37 on May 30, 2022, 07:49:35 AM
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I wonder? It seems that Korg has listened to the wishes of the Yammie fans, will Yamaha do the same with the 'Genos 2'? ;) In this case: a top keyboard with 61 keys and a lot of 'Genos (1/2)' stuff .. Even in 3 sizes. :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxiQcwq_90w
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We are not sure if this video is real. It seems more speculation. But a lot of people would like a version of Genos with 61 keys.
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Seems to be genuine. Here is a more recent video showing an actual PA5X keyboard (could be a pre-production model):-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNC31vrjzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DNC31vrjzs)
Widely leaked that it is to be offered with 3 keyboard size options (61, 76 and 88 hammer action).
Regards
Roy
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We are not sure if this video is real. It seems more speculation. But a lot of people would like a version of Genos with 61 keys.
If you want a 61-key Genos, buy a PSR.
Cheers,
Fred
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If you want a 61-key Genos, buy a PSR.
Cheers,
Fred
The PSR doesn’t have Revo drums!, doesn’t have SA2 voices, etc.
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...... a lot of people would like a version of Genos with 61 keys.
Don't think this statement is supported by the evidence. Most buyers like the extra keys, and at worst they see no disadvantage in extra keys. Realistically, why would anyone opt for less keys on a $4000 keyboard unless there was a big cost saving - which there won't be.
Yes there could be a few isolated cases were someone wants all the TOTL features/ sounds, and is willing to spend the $4000 but have a size restraint. But that is never going to be a significant enough number to materially affect sales.
Mike
PS I think it much more likely that most people who SAY they want a 61 note Genos say it because they think it would be a lot cheaper - but this is deluded.
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The PSR doesn’t have Revo drums!, doesn’t have SA2 voices, etc.
Understood, but a 61-key Genos isn't going to happen. So if your top requirement is 61 keys, your option is a PSR.
Cheers,
Fred
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“So, if your top requirement is 61 keys, your option is PSR.” That’s exactly why I opted for the SX 900----smaller, lighter, and sounds great. I doubt seriously that a Genos would improve my playing, although it would be nice to own. However, I play half my gigs on guitar, with backing tracks created on the SX 900. Works great, playing wav files from a tablet.
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I notice in some answers that people like to try to put themselves in the shoes of Yamaha's management and respond from there. That's a 'producer'/Yamaha perspective. Of course people know that those answers are a kind of crystal ball discussions and add little, because they /we just don't know.
My comment/post is from the consumer's perspective. That is a more realistic approach, because that is also the only thing (besides buying/not buying) you can do. Namely, put your wishes on the table and share this if necessary.
Whether yamaha then listens to it is another story.
Yamaha, as a large unapproachable company, decides for itself what is good for the market and the consumer follows that obediently. As long as that approach works for them, business is fine. At the end of that process, the consumer gets to decide for himself whether A. to buy that product… or B. not. (Happy luxury decisions) ;) Yamaha wants of course 'A' and does his very best to seduce us.. (hopefully?) :)
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Understood, but a 61-key Genos isn't going to happen. So if your top requirement is 61 keys, your option is a PSR.
Cheers,
Fred
I agree. I prefer 76 keys and if I have a small gig in a home for instance I use the SX900. Usually all the audience knows is they like what they hear.
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Mmm. just found, looks like some nice, desired Genos 2 features implemented in the Korg .. ??? ::)
Just for your info... (if not interested: just skip) ;)
http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/505920/Korg_Pa5x#Post505920
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I decided that I would not have a 76 keys Tyros 5, and was so happy when I found my 61 keys T5. Then I eventually got my Genos, and discovered that it is just a tad longer than the T5, but thinner and lighter too. After playing the Genos for some time I came to appreciate the extra keys.
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Re polyphony I don’t think the the technical data matters much because both keyboards have more than enough capability for 95% plus of buyers to never see any issue with polyphony. So it’s not a design feature that is likely to drive a buying decision between these two products for most players.
Mike
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There will be an 88 keys model :O
https://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_korg-pa5x-88_id7262192.html (https://www.mercatinomusicale.com/mm/a_korg-pa5x-88_id7262192.html)
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And a 61 model for 4299 euro... interesting and very curious hoe it sounds. Esp. how the sliders and pads are gonna working ... c'mon Yamaha... waiting for your answer asap ;-)
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There will be an 88 keys model :O
88, 76 and 61.
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Just ran across this comparison video of Genos vs PA4x from Kris Nicholson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1y0KcQNYg
Kris is just an awesome player, kind of funny when he "runs out of keys" on the Genos!! LOL
Looks like he's using Full Keyboard mode, and does his own accompaniment, makes them sound epic.
Jerry
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Korg Pa5x https://youtu.be/PBUkjLb3O5w (https://youtu.be/PBUkjLb3O5w) (video in Spanish)
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As I mentioned earlier, it seems that Korg has listened to the wishes of the Yammies?? >:( Flip-out screen, a 61-key version, external storage and file handling, lots of pads, etc. etc. Very interesting! I hope Yamaha engineers and designers aren't taken by surprise and have to go back to the drawing board to 'exceed' this :D. That would take a lot of time for Genos 2!
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For all who are interested - here is a sound demo of the new Korg PA5X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo
Peter
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Now it's official:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2InFUgORHEo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2InFUgORHEo)
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Looks like they did it, 61 keys is here to stay on KORG land. 88 keys is a surprise but then again, KORG does not have a Clavinova CVP alternative so this may be their answer.
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For all who are interested - here is a sound demo of the new Korg PA5X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo
Peter
Alois Müller is a great musician! He has great versatility and an excellent command of the instrument.
Congratulations!
Enildo
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I agree, waiting for more vids from Alois. The one's he had done already shows (for me) that Korg had made a top-end keyboard!! The soundquality is top, allthought I have to hear it myself in the shop. Only listening on the internet is not fair, as there are very many variables that has influence on the 'sound you hear'.
Thanks for the link...
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I liked the official Korg demo with Luciano. If you want to skip the initial talking, skip to the 7:00 mark.
Here are a few features I like:
* Fatar keybed actions
* Style crossfade (a way to get more contrast between A, B, bridge sections)
* Smooth Sound Transition (SST)
* Multi-purpose pads with assignable control functions
* Separate guitar input (high impedance)
* No banks and a way to group performance-related entities
* Round-robin drums
* Sampling and a built-in sample editor!
* New natural-sounding acoustic instruments (trumpet, violin)
* New instruments from Nautilus and SV2 especially that Wurli EP
If I heard it right, Korg ditched TC Electronic vocal processing. Now teaming with Shift Audio. [Gotta learn more about this.]
The user interface (UI) looks kind of busy. The Yamaha UI is cleaner. Can't tell about workflow...
Listening to the piano and other instrument demos, I wonder how much EQ they laid on when recording. It would be better to hear the actual instrument in person, but Korg is horrible at providing store demo arrangers in the USA.
Well, that's my quick reaction -- pj
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pjd - I appreciate that these things matter to you and some others. But there isn’t a single thing on this list that I would think about or ask about when buying an arranger. And I suspect that to be true for most potential buyers, maybe as high as 80 or 90%. This is why I don’t think Yamaha will be having many concerns about there being a new Korg, with some neat features - because they know this.
There are some very technically informed people posting on forums like this, and they know all this stuff. But they are not representative of the typical keyboard buyer, who will try it, like or not like the sound, the look etc. They won’t dig very deep into the system functions or the technology.
Mike
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pjd - I appreciate that these things matter to you and some others. But there isn’t a single thing on this list that I would think about or ask about when buying an arranger. ... They won’t dig very deep into the system functions or the technology.
Mike
Hi Mike --
Fair enough, different strokes for different folks.
However, with the exception of sampling/sample editing, this is a very un-geeky list! Sure, not everyone plays guitar. However, a guitar playing keyboardist could/should exploit the built-in effects (instead of buying a guitar multi-effect). Get more value for the hard-earned money they sank into their arranger. :)
The multi-purpose pads (with assignable functions) may sound esoteric, but it's a generalization of the Genos assignable function buttons. Having more buttons with more functions available to be assigned really streamlines workflow. Set 'em once and then enjoy.
I bought Genos mainly for its keyboard action (FSX) and natural sounding instruments. Revo drums (AKA round-robin) are a bonus. Lots of folks on this forum wish for Montage's Seamless Sound Switching (Korg's SST) -- even some "play at home" customers. :)
Yamaha needs to appeal to the coming generation of tech-savvy customers who will compare feature against feature.
As to folks not digging in, I think the Korg is too busy looking and could intimidate some users. I've had conversations with Yamaha marketing people and the intimidation factor is a big concern -- even in the synth market.
Hey, hey, have fun and all the best -- pj
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Korg has removed the KAOSS feature also I assume?
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If I heard it right, Korg ditched TC Electronic vocal processing. Now teaming with Shift Audio.
That's right and now includes "Auto Pitch"
Mic and VH detailed in owners manual section 23
Complete Korg Pa5x Owners Manual:https://rb.gy/qkzujm (https://rb.gy/qkzujm)
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That's right and now includes "Auto Pitch"
Mic and VH detailed in owners manual section 23
Complete Korg Pa5x Owners Manual:https://rb.gy/qkzujm (https://rb.gy/qkzujm)
The user or owners manual is not ready yet according to members at Korg forum, the link leads to the Performance Guide.
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You're right GJ. Performance Guide is what I meant. I'm getting old ::)
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.....I'm getting old ::)
Well, as we don't get any younger as days and weeks passes by, then not to getting old may be a bad alternative.... ;) ;D ;D ;D
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If you want a 61-key Genos, buy a PSR.
Cheers,
Fred
It is not the same. Psr 900 is a great keyboard, but it is not a Genos.
Ingar.
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Something to keep in mind?!
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=127503
That is unfortunately common with new products these days, even with the Yamahas (bugs I mean).
That's why I'm definitely waiting for another half year (2023 .. so maybe Yamaha will give us information in the meantime ???) . I use that time to listen to it live and try it out. And to see what the state of affairs is with regard to reviews and to solving bugs, etc.
With pleasure back to my Yammie now ;-)
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Korg PA5x vs Genos.
Genos sounds win by a landslide IMO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2M1begz-ds
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Your absolutely right Jeff, you can put incredible new features on keyboards but unless their simple to use , they will be lost. We all know getting a new tv reading the first pages and then just getting on with it lol.
The majority of owners are 50 plus and getting older, so there need to be thought on how to attract this age group before it becomes unrealistic to make new keyboards.
I am always asked to how to do this and that on the Genos half the problem is the poorly instruction manuals.
The Korg for me on the surface looks great nice flashy lights, but some features look like gimmicks.
Can i easily create a style, easily create a drum pattern, easily import sets etc?
So if the answer is no then the demographic that buys the keyboard's will be eroded and the high end Arranger keyboards will fizzle out.
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I have a fundamental disagreement with the idea that many of the styles are out of date and geared to older players. I think it has nothing to do with age, and a lot more to do with what kind of music lends itself to being 'played' on a keyboard. I don't think it matters what age you are, or when the song was written, there is a type of music that lends itself to keyboard playing, and some that don't. Much of the music I have played all of my life comes from an era before my time, like Kern and Gershwin, and much of it is relatively recent, maybe Adele, but I play it all because it is playable. It has a clear and memorable melody and harmony. That is what works in live playing on a keyboard.
A lot of commercial modern music is great, but its more about musical production, atmosphere and driving beat, creating a party, dance environment that many love. But you can't really sit down and play it. And the majority of people buy arrangers because they want to play.
Of course there are many people interested in music production, and they are constantly telling us that the arrangers need to be updated to emulate what is done on workstations. But they are a minority. There is also a number of players who do party gigs and feel obliged to throw in some of this kind of music, but again they are a relative few.
A perfect example of this is my grandson who has been professionally producing EDM for many years. But when he sits down to play a musical instrument in his room, he plays exactly the same kind of music that I would play. He has told me many times that EDM is not made to be played, it is primarily there to create a party atmosphere, with a driving beat, and there is a clear formula that works. He believes that most people don't really even hear it, or could hum it afterwards.
I believe that as we age, many people who played earlier, or never played, develop a strong urge to be able to play. The arranger has been the perfect vehicle for that. The idea that as the 'young' set age they will demand arrangers made for 'their' kind of music is myth. They will sit down to play exactly the kind of music we all play - because that is what is playable, satisfying and entertaining. I am not of course against constant improvement of the style technology, the styles themselves, or a wider range of additional styles. But I am still playing 'All the things you are' written long before I was born, and I bet they will be playing 'Yesterday', 'The Long and Winding road' and 'Moon River', long after I am gone.
Mike
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As I said, as people age they often decide to learn or re-turn to a musical instrument and the arranger fits the bill. So of course arranger community average age is high.
So if you look at a lot of the music played by arranger you might conclude the choice of music is age related. My point is that it is not, it’s just that keyboard players regardless of age play a lot of very traditional music because it works on keyboard, not because the music is as old as them.
A bit like the myth that because quite a lot of older people continue to play golf, that it therefore follows that people who play golf live longer. Of course that is untrue, it’s just that people who live longer sometimes also play golf.
Association vs correlation.
Mike
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Hello Mike,
I have to totally agree with you on the music we play on the keyboards. Even playing for events people still want to hear songs with good strong melody lines that they can if they wish join in with. This is not an age thing as youngsters learning to play keyboards will still be learning and enjoying some of the good old standards or Classical pieces. I think we all enjoy playing enjoyable to listen to music and I feel this will still be with us when all the Thump Thump Bang has gone.
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My Yamaha arranger is a perfect fit for the types of songs I play, which includes a smattering of standards, a little country, and previous pop hits. Playing often in retirement homes, I’m finding increasingly that the residents seem to prefer, and request, many of the early rock and roll hits. Too much Gershwin, Berlin, Cole Porter, etc., puts them to sleep. So, most of my play lists are upbeat, with a few ballads sprinkled in. I often use Band In A Box; however, I prefer the tracks created with the SX 900.
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I feel this will still be with us when all the Thump Thump Bang has gone.
Do you mean all that pop & roll nonsense that started in the 50s ::)
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No Derek,
I am talking about the rubbish they call music today. Supposed to be able to dance to it even if you are not high on something. ;) 8)
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All periods have their own good and bad. And once that said, everyone has his/her own tastes.
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EDM is simpleton music that comprises of a couple of chords and lots of repetition. It is like a song without a lead, just a background that goes nowhere and stays in suspension. Great for those flashing light sample machines/kids wind up toy.
Todays general pop is very basic especially the moo moo singing by so called men and women.
No wonder Paul McCartney won over Gladstonbury. There is no real lasting talent today.Just converyor belt music.
Music in the future will have to change and hopefully for the better.
Notice adverts always nearly revert to the oldies music, Yes, I am talking of the days when you could whistle to the music as well
How many people on mobile phones do you see whistling to music?
Bring back "Happy Days" and fun music in this world.
I can see a good future for arrangers and the young should be encouraged to play them instead of relying on samples for everything.
Kill the mobile phone!!! :) ::) :P
The Classical, 20s,30s to the 80s's was music, but 1990s onwards pepper piggy music and horrid rap rubbish
Well slate me if you will , but that is my opinion only :) and too many Essex accents lol "kinda like"!! ;D
I still say wait for the nexy Yamaha keyboard
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I am not a professional musician. I learned to play keyboards with a Yamaha PSS470. I was evolving with the brand, until the PSR S950.
Then models appeared about every year and their performance is not very different, until the SX 900, but very expensive, so I bought
a Korg PA700. I tell you this, because the PA5X is the only Korg keyboard, they are 88, 76 and 61 keys, all with the same specifications.
There are no intermediate models. I think something similar will happen with Yamaha Genos.
Best regards
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Armand - I don't think so. It may make sense for a very small company like Korg, but Yamaha has a different approach and is a much, much bigger company than Korg.
Mike
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My Yamaha arranger is a perfect fit for the types of songs I play, which includes a smattering of standards, a little country, and previous pop hits. Playing often in retirement homes, I’m finding increasingly that the residents seem to prefer, and request, many of the early rock and roll hits. Too much Gershwin, Berlin, Cole Porter, etc., puts them to sleep. So, most of my play lists are upbeat, with a few ballads sprinkled in. I often use Band In A Box; however, I prefer the tracks created with the SX 900.
Never a truer word was said when it comes to retirement homes. Absolutely correct. They don't want a conveyor belt of old big band numbers from the 20's, 30's and 40's. Nothing wrong with that kind of genre' but it's not what the majority want to listen to.
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I have over some time now listen to Korg Pa5x, and Genos, to compare them. I have tried to be neutral and objective to the best of my ability. Yes, Korg has som good features, nice styles and good sounding voices, but still, it does not, to my ears, reach up to the Genos standard. I hope that Genos 2, or what ever the name will be, comes with 61 keys as an alternative.
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This afternoon I had the opportunity to try out the Korg PA5x (61) at my dealer. I was very impressed with this keyboard. It looks beautiful in design and just sounds very good, both the solo instruments and the rhythms. Many functions that I like to see in a keyboard can be found in this model. Very interesting are: an excellent keybed (minimally larger keys than the Genos and well balanced!). A beautiful tilting screen in very good resolution and touchable. Excellent quality sound, which is provided by means of. the sliders can be adjusted quickly and easily. And nice in a 61-key version.
I would definitely buy it....only just 2 considerations that are currently holding me back from doing so:
1.The PA5x's firmware/software still needs some updates to fix the bugs.
2.The 2nd consideration is that within a year the Genos will come out with 3 models: 61, 76 and 88 keys (see my other post).
So for now I'll just wait a year...
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1.The PA5x's firmware/software still needs some updates to fix the bugs.
2.The 2nd consideration is that within a year the Genos will come out with 3 models: 61, 76 and 88 keys (see my other post).
1. As announced on Korg web page, new firmware will be released till the end of 2022.
2. Nobody knows nothing about Yamaha plans -right now, there are only wishes and speculations. But yeah, Yamaha will release Genos successor one day.
So for now I'll just wait a year...
-a little patience is always good :)
Bogdan
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The Genos and PA5X were in the same room. What struck me about the appearance of the Genos compared to the PA5x .... the appearance, the design of the Genos is quite dated. While the Korg looks modern and clear due to a well-readable layout on the front, supported by colored LEDs, the Genos front looks very boring. Badly legible letters, even illegible due to the use of black letters on black buttons. Hopefully new designers have started working on it to create a better, more user-friendly and more visible layout. But that's been mentioned before, but it struck me as next to each other. Ok, enough about this for me.
PS. @BogdanH: new firmware till the end of 2022? ... lot of (cheaper) digital products nowadays gives an update garantee for 2/3 years!
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hello @ton37,
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PS. @BogdanH: new firmware till the end of 2022? ... lot of (cheaper) digital products nowadays gives an update garantee for 2/3 years!
-I have an impression I was misunderstood. What I wanted to say is, you (we) don't need to wait that long, to see how Pa5X is supposed to perform.
And I agree with you about design differences between Genos and just released Korg & Ketron -because 1st impression sure does matter! But to be fair, Genos appearance was also quite impressive at launch time. It's just as time goes by, we sometimes get bored looking at "old" stuff -unless it's an exceptional design.
Bogdan
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The Genos looks better, but the Tyros 5 looks the best!
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Thnx @BogdanH, you'r right, I misunderstood your post. Sorry for that, I now understand what you ment ;)
Talking about a exceptional difference in keyboard-design: I remember the Technics Line; especially the Technics SX-KN7000 . That was tmho. an exceptional design in the Technics KN-line. ;) and then it was over :'(
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I was a huge fan of Technics hi-fi equipment in 80's (after Sansui and Akai went out of business). Hmmm... not that I'm that old ;D
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The Genos and PA5X were in the same room. What struck me about the appearance of the Genos compared to the PA5x .... the appearance, the design of the Genos is quite dated. While the Korg looks modern and clear due to a well-readable layout on the front, supported by colored LEDs, the Genos front looks very boring. Badly legible letters, even illegible due to the use of black letters on black buttons. Hopefully new designers have started working on it to create a better, more user-friendly and more visible layout. But that's been mentioned before, but it struck me as next to each other. Ok, enough about this for me.
PS. @BogdanH: new firmware till the end of 2022? ... lot of (cheaper) digital products nowadays gives an update garantee for 2/3 years!
The Genos does look like the BMW, very Germanic in design.
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::) That is an interesting point of view, John: tomorrow I will look to a BMW and will do my utmost best to compare it with the Genos. No garanty I succeed ;D ;D ;D
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Mmm.. the long awaited December firmware update for the PA5x isn't as earth-shattering as hoped ... Allas, what should you expect when the OS update version goes from 1.0 to 1.1, what's in the name/ number?
We'll just have to wait and see what the future holds in our keyboard-world: 2023 can become a interesting year .. (and if not, enjoy what you have. There are other prior global problems enought) ;) 8)
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As for looks, I ahve to say the Genos looks MUCH better than the Korg. It does not have an overcrowded panel, but is sleek and functional.
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Because Jeff that is what most people wanted.
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Mmm.., soo you mean: most people have said to Yamaha.. pls. give us black figures on black knobs on a black front? ::) Neuhh, it is purely a designers choice, the consumer has no influence ... just take it or leave it ;)
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Well it seems we all took it and are happy with it.
You will never please everyone.
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There is no Keyboard arranger to beat the Genos yet ;) :)
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John - that’s your opinion, but there will be many who disagree. They all have pros and cons.
Mike
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Having used Yamaha keyboards since the 90'es (PSR-730) I ordered (and paid!) a pa5x in June.
Now 6 months later Thomann still haven't delivered - they can't even give a date, only that it will be "several months" ... just like they have been saying for the last 6 months. A bit hard to believe them at this point.
Eventually I will have to get a refund or 'convert' the order to the hopefully upcoming "Genos X2". I was still planning to also buy a Yamaha replacement for my T5 (I skip every other, so I skipped T2, T4, Genos) but I was hoping to also have something other than a Yamaha to play with.
The same piano sounds for 25 years is getting on my nerves..
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...they can't even give a date, only that it will be "several months" ...
...delivered not earlier than April 2023 due to the " Grand December Update ".. apparently...
Most (if not all) European electronic equipment manufacturers are heavily dependent on chinese electronic components market. And considering the current situation (China embargo for hi-tech, covid situation in China, etc), I'm not surprised about scarce supply from China (they protect their own interests, I guess).
And who's to blame? Europe itself! In last 20 years, Europe relied entirely on imports from China and during that time, practically no investments have been made in chip development & production. Simply because it was easier to make big money by importing parts (or many times, complete products).
Korg? In my eyes, Pa5X is actually a vaporware (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware), where no one knows when is that to change. Actually, reason for delay is irrelevant for consumer -what matter is, can it be delivered or not.
Just my opinion -and ranting a bit :)
Bogda
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As I stated in an earlier post, Korg were never going to hold back sales because of a firmware update. The two things are separate and I suspect the dealer is the one tying them together in a convenient but not really accurate story.
Korg - like many other manufacturers - are struggling to get timely delivery of hardware for various reasons. I tried to buy a new car in the UK this summer and one brand was 18 months delivery, another was ‘minimum 9 months but probably longer’. Chips may be one issue - and it’s convenient to put the blame on China - but I suspect there are many other factors including post Covid cash flow issues at retailers, who delay ordering stock. Construction companies and small
builders are struggling to get materials - and that has zero to do with chips from China.
Mike
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...and it’s convenient to put the blame on China..
-I didn't blame China (quite opposite actually).
As for the cars... Few years back, I was working at official store/service for european car company for many years and so I'm still quite well informed in this regard: the only reason for long waiting list (for new cars) was shortage of electronics supply from China. And that's not even a secret (i.e. BMW even offered some hi-class cars at reduced price, if buyer agree with "it doesn't have this and that").
At the same time, there was no problem to get new Japanese or Korean car in a month or less -actually they increased the sale in that period of time (obviously). How's that possible? Well, they have the needed industry.
Of course, I don't know the reasons for Pa5X delay.. I'm just making conclusions -which can also be wrong. But as I said, for customer, reasons are less important: "You can't deliver? I'll check the competition."
Bogdan
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Hey RonsonDenmark :
Last week, my Dutch dealer said all Korg PA5X models will be delivered not earlier than April 2023 due to the " Grand December Update " which, apparently, is not completely finished yet.
We are not used to pay in The Netherlands when a product is not in stock.
Sometimes dealers are asking an advance of 10% whilst the firm order has been signed by the customer.
Best regards, JH
Hi there....I've just joined the Forum....I Ordered my Korg PA5X-76 on the 10th August and took delivery last week on the 14th December....
I came from a Tyros-3 which i had from new so a long time....
I sold the Tyros but i'm instantly missing alot of Styles i loved and the Cornet ha ha....
So ive joined here as i'm going to order a PSR-SX900 to go with the PA5X.....
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Hi there....I've just joined the Forum....I Ordered my Korg PA5X-76 on the 10th August and took delivery last week on the 14th December....
I came from a Tyros-3 which i had from new so a long time....
I sold the Tyros but i'm instantly missing alot of Styles i loved and the Cornet ha ha....
So ive joined here as i'm going to order a PSR-SX900 to go with the PA5X.....
Welcome to the PSR Tutorial Forum, SynthHog!
I wish you a lot of fun and joy with your new SX900.
All the best from Germany,
Chris
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Hi there....I've just joined the Forum....I Ordered my Korg PA5X-76 on the 10th August and took delivery last week on the 14th December....
I came from a Tyros-3 which i had from new so a long time....
I sold the Tyros but i'm instantly missing alot of Styles i loved and the Cornet ha ha....
So ive joined here as i'm going to order a PSR-SX900 to go with the PA5X.....
Hi @SynthHog, welcome the Yammie-forum. I think the combination you chose is a good one. I tried the PA5x life at the time (September) and was very enthusiastic about it. The firmware update etc. prevent me from purchasing it. I only want to actually buy it when it's in stock. I'm still go for from the Genos2 (2023 and version-61). If no sign from Yamaha before autumn 2023 (Genos 2-61, still expect!) I will go for the combination SX900 (baby Genos) and the PA5x (61). If you have them both please share your experience with that combination? Lots of fun ... ;)
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Hi @SynthHog, welcome the Yammie-forum. I think the combination you chose is a good one. I tried the PA5x life at the time (September) and was very enthusiastic about it. The firmware update etc. prevent me from purchasing it. I only want to actually buy it when it's in stock. I'm still go for from the Genos2 (2023 and version-61). If no sign from Yamaha before autumn 2023 (Genos 2-61, still expect!) I will go for the combination SX900 (baby Genos) and the PA5x (61). If you have them both please share your experience with that combination? Lots of fun ... ;)
Well only had the PA5X just over a week but i'm impressed....I've ordered the SX900 today from the same Dealer and that will be with me next Thursday...
I've also got a Roland Jupiter X so between that the PA5X and SX900 i'm well covered especially on the Arranger front for each others Strengths and Weaknesses.
But when i get all set up and a good few hours on them any questions i'll try and answer especially sounds/styles etc etc.....
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Having received the Korg Pa5x and still have my Genos I have to say the comparison was poor, although sound is subjective the Korg wins conclusively on Piano, Organ and in particularly strings which are the best ive heard.
Doing a highlight reel on styles on both the overwhelming result was Korg sound almost Live in comparison, but this is only true of some of the styles, accross the Board the Genos has the more rounded styles and more usable and identifiable styles.
The Korg is great but so is the Genos in the same way Audi and Bmw are great in different ways the Bmw sharper the Audi more refined. One thing i will say though is the Korg is easier to operate.
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hi Whitecoin,
Thank you for reporting your impression.
Bogdan
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We are not used to pay in The Netherlands when a product is not in stock.
It is also not normal in Denmark to pay up front, and normally - if it was in stock - I would just use my credit card.
But I think the issue here is that Thomann can't debit the money right away and a card reservation would expire so they asked for they money to be transferred to their bank account.
So they money is just sitting there in their bank account until I get impatient enough - or a new Genos is released :)
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Hi @SynthHog, welcome the Yammie-forum. I think the combination you chose is a good one. I tried the PA5x life at the time (September) and was very enthusiastic about it. The firmware update etc. prevent me from purchasing it. I only want to actually buy it when it's in stock. I'm still go for from the Genos2 (2023 and version-61). If no sign from Yamaha before autumn 2023 (Genos 2-61, still expect!) I will go for the combination SX900 (baby Genos) and the PA5x (61). If you have them both please share your experience with that combination? Lots of fun ... ;)
Well unfortunately after 8days with the SX900 ive returned it....Its probally not fair to compare it to the PA5X and as i'm new i certainly dont want to Insult any 900 owners but my personal opinion is it has way to many downsides to pair with the 5x...
Genos would be a better match but i think its too late in the day for that....
So i'll just lurk around and see what Genos 2 has to offer to pair with the Korg....
Hopefully Genos 2 has the Features i'm hoping for.....
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...i certainly dont want to Insult any 900 owners...
None of SX900 owners shouldn't feel insulted: Pa5X costs the double and is currently the latest top of the line keyboards -and reality must be accepted.
No doubt that 5000€ keyboard is much better than any mid-range keyboard. The only question that SX owners (incl. me) need to honestly answer to ourself is, is it worth for me to upgrade? How much (if at all) will I actually benefit of having such keyboard?
And to find answer to that question, I think we all appreciate objective opinions and comments from those who own(ed) both.
Bogdan
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Well unfortunately after 8days with the SX900 ive returned it....Its probally not fair to compare it to the PA5X and as i'm new i certainly dont want to Insult any 900 owners but my personal opinion is it has way to many downsides to pair with the 5x...
Genos would be a better match but i think its too late in the day for that....
So i'll just lurk around and see what Genos 2 has to offer to pair with the Korg....
Hopefully Genos 2 has the Features i'm hoping for.....
What is it you're looking for that the SX900 can't provide?
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None of SX900 owners shouldn't feel insulted: Pa5X costs the double and is currently the latest top of the line keyboards -and reality must be accepted.
No doubt that 5000€ keyboard is much better than any mid-range keyboard. The only question that SX owners (incl. me) need to honestly answer to ourself is, is it worth for me to upgrade? How much (if at all) will I actually benefit of having such keyboard?
And to find answer to that question, I think we all appreciate objective opinions and comments from those who own(ed) both.
Bogdan
Nicely Said !
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Well unfortunately after 8days with the SX900 ive returned it....Its probally not fair to compare it to the PA5X and as i'm new i certainly dont want to Insult any 900 owners but my personal opinion is it has way to many downsides to pair with the 5x...
Genos would be a better match but i think its too late in the day for that....
So i'll just lurk around and see what Genos 2 has to offer to pair with the Korg....
Hopefully Genos 2 has the Features i'm hoping for.....
Thank you for your info, don't worry. Each have their own reason to make choices to buy or not. And as a keyboard is not a human, but just a material thing: I dont love it, or hate it .... just like a t-shirt ... if you don't like it, get another. The only difference is the price range ;)
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What is it you're looking for that the SX900 can't provide?
Well in the PA5X thats everything the SX-900 can't provide....i purchased the the SX900 without trying one based on peoples opinions in forums such as this one and various reviews and youtube....I was well aware of the Spec's and thought i could do without the features of say a Genos....I was wrong....No aftertouch and lack of real time controllers was a real problem for me....Lack of SA2 Voices again something i knew i couldn't live with out....
But the biggest thing was the sound....Next to the 5x it sounded flat and small....No expression when playing...Just Dull...
But ive always had flagship Organs/Piano's, Synths and arrangers and that again will be part of it....
So for me i shall wait on the Genos 2 to add to my set up.....
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Thanks @Synthhog you for your feedback. You mention exactly those things that indeed stand out with the SX. The Genos offered the aftertouch and SA2. He sounded, out of the box also quite 'dull'. If you can soften something through some EQing it can sound acceptable to you. You can accept that depending on your own needs. In any case, you indicate that the PA5x sounds more dynamic and lively (I assume, because that is also my experience). In addition, it has some features that are missing in the current Yamaha range. Like everyone else, people are waiting for the new Yamaha and hoping that it will live up to our expectations? But for now you can enjoy a fine Korg for now...as I do with a SX900..and others of their Genos...and still others of their Ketron..and there are those who enjoy their 'x'-model. Happy keyboard playing
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...for now you can enjoy a fine Korg for now...as I do with a SX900..and others of their Genos...and still others of their Ketron..and there are those who enjoy their 'x'-model.
-very well put.
It always comes down to musician (if we forget the wallet). Even if I would have 5000€ keyboard right now, I'm sure my music would be pretty much the same as is on my SX700 -because my playing skill limits me. And over the time as we (hopefully) improve, we start looking after something "better" -and once we have it, it's hard to go back :)
Bogdan