If you plan to design and manufacture arrangers this probably is interesting, but as a consumer my main thought is “why does it matter. “. It is better, it costs more, you pays your money, you take your choice.Come on ..this person want to know exactly what the sound quality is of the SX900
Mike
So if we know the answer, does that change anything?Yes.. ;D..buy the next generation SX900
Mike
Yes.. ;D..buy the next generation SX900
SX900 contains additional "VCM" (Virtual Circuit Modeling) effect types (for use in the Variation Effect Block and the 8 Insertion Effect Blocks)
SX900: 13 cm x 2 + 2.5 cm (dome) x 2, (15 W + 10 W) x 2
SX600: 12 cm x 2, 15 W x 2
Without being too pedantic ... SX600 was released after SX900 ...
I am interested maybe to buy the successor of the present SX900,
You'll be waiting a long time -- three or four years.Yes, but i do have SX600 what satisfied me, so enough to practice and learn
Cheers,
Fred
If you want my opinion .....For the price difference between the 600 and 900 ( which is huge ) I personally think the 700 would be a better option . Far nearer the 900 in spec and not much more cost than a 600 if you shop around.Hi,
Hi ACSACS,
as you can see from the specifications (Owner's Manual) the SX900 contains additional "VCM" (Virtual Circuit Modeling) effect types (for use in the Variation Effect Block and the 8 Insertion Effect Blocks):
SX900:
Reverb: 59 Preset
Chorus: 106 Preset
Variation Effect: 322 Preset (with VCM)
Insertion Effect 1–8: 322 Preset (with VCM)
SX600:
Reverb Block: 52 Preset
Chorus Block: 106 Preset
DSP Block 1 (Variation): 295 Preset
DSP Blocks 2-5 (Insertion): 295 Preset
By the way, the information mentioned by Derek regarding the assignment of the DSP Blocks (Effect Blocks) to the individual Parts can be found in the SX900 Reference Manual on page 105 respectively in the SX600 Reference Manual on page 88.
Best regards,
Chris
I can tell you that SX900 has 3 DSP available to target the style, while SX600 only has 1. That information is available in the reference manuals.
They both use the same AWM2 tone generation engine, with the same set of parameters to control the sound, based on the original XG specification.
You won't find any information on the differences in sample layers, etc. published anywhere.
The service manuals (which I don't have) would be the only place to see details of hardware differences.
If you plan to design and manufacture arrangers this probably is interesting, but as a consumer my main thought is “why does it matter. “. It is better, it costs more, you pays your money, you take your choice.
Mike
Building on Chris's comment, the SX900 has additional "Real Distortion" effects for guitars and such.
The SX900 also has a richer set of MegaVoice voices. Yamaha uses MegaVoice extensively in its styles. This kind of information may be found in the Data List PDF for each instrument in the Voice List section.
As to "speakers," the differences are not insignificant:
SX900: 13 cm x 2 + 2.5 cm (dome) x 2, (15 W + 10 W) x 2
SX600: 12 cm x 2, 15 W x 2
The SX900 is bi-amplified, the SX600 is not. Yamaha takes a far bit of care in the acoustic design and characteristics of its instruments, i.e., they don't just shove the speakers into any old box. :) But, you do get what you pay for...
I think at this point, voices of the same name and MSB/LSB/PC# use the same waveform samples across instruments. Yamaha doesn't need to skimp on memory space and it's more of a development hassle to differentiate individual voices in this way. The only possible exception is piano voices as Yamaha seems to have a "thing" about pianos. ;D
Hope this information helps -- pj
That’s the key questions, is the improved performance worth the additional cost to that buyer. And if so, is it still within their budget.
Realistically, I don’t think whether the improvement comes from DSPs or pixie dust is going to factor into the decision.
Mike
You are right Jeff. Personally, I have always had synthesizers: Roland D-20; Motif XS6; MODX7; Kronos 61. And recording songs in these instruments hasIn the hands of a talented musician the arranger can be brilliant instrument. But the arranger is specifically designed to be easy play and easy record. That means most of us who are a lot less talented can't wait to hoist our musical performances on the world in a way that wasn't normally possible with traditional instruments. Since these performances are typically not all that good the reputation of the instrument itself can become tarnished.
The statement that an arranger is not a "real instrument"... nothing more than an opinion from someone. And as far as opinions go, the world is full of them :O)
If only Yamaha would add some pages on the touch-screen UI to be able to dive into the structure of the voice, many people would be happy. They used to do this on earlier Tyros models. But I guess they got feedback that nobody used that feature so they pushed it out into the YEM "experience".
By the way, GENOS has seen its price raised this week to a staggering 3750 € (!!). I know its a terrific instrument (I had one), but this price is... Wow.
Hi ACSACS :
Thank you for your interesting comments.
Maybe a silly question then ... why are Yamaha not building a Genos Synth-Arranger ?
Or ... might nobody be interested in this so called " NEW " instrument ? :D
Cheers, JH
Maybe a silly question then ... why are Yamaha not building a Genos Synth-Arranger ?It's not nobody, because some would definitely love it. But Yamaha is a global business, not a little garage operation like MOOG was when it started. So it's about about how many. In general the band player has no need for auto accompaniment, and the typical arranger player does not delve too much into the music production, sound manipulation world. So that probably doesn't create critical drive in the market for what would be a quite expensive, and complex instrument.
Or ... might nobody be interested in this so called " NEW " instrument ? :D
One thing some guys do is to stack a MODX or a KORG i3 on top of an arranger like SX900 / GENOS. That would be a perfect combination for anyone wanting both worlds. But as we know that cames at a price since you'll have to buy 2 keyboards.
By the way, GENOS has seen its price raised this week to a staggering 3750 € (!!). I know its a terrific instrument (I had one), but this price is... Wow.
Wonder if inside YEM you can alter the decay of a sound...
Hi Hans.
Great combination for sure. Korg always had great sounds on their instruments, especially the pads and more.
Yesterday I was trying, on my SX900, to alter the decay of a particular sound only to find out that... you cant. You can change the attack and release but not the decay if you, for instance, want the sound to fade away when you press a key. That would be really easy for Yamaha to add: control over ADSR. Super simple but you dont get that on the 600/700/900.
Wonder if inside YEM you can alter the decay of a sound...
Even so, it has a wide range of very beautiful sounds with which you can work and create different environments, which make the listener's imagination fly.
Hi Jeff,Still a fantastic keyboard the SX600 and i has a mobilsheet pro (software) support for displaying songbooks on a tablet in front of you.
I am curious when the new Yamaha arrangers are coming, and if they surpass the old ones?
Cheers
Jan