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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Jeff Hollande on August 31, 2021, 01:58:40 PM
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We have been informed the SX900 is not in stock ( yet ).
What about the Genos ?
Regards, JH
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In België, only very few shops claim to have a (small) stock of genos.
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We have some Genos in UK.
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Thank you all for your feedback.😉
It looks like the worldwide shortage of digital chips might be the reason why Yamaha might be forced to stop their production ( partially ).
It is a very sad situation.
First Covid and now another disaster.😥
Last but not least the international transport costs have to be increased by approx. 30% due to the lack of
( not enough ) containers.
Let us hope all these problems will be solved very soon but financial consequences for all of us are unavoidable, I guess. 😳
JH
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Let us hope all these problems will be solved very soon but financial consequences for all of us are unavoidable, I guess. 😳
They are avoidable! The biggest obstacle to a return to normal is the "antivaccers." If we can get everyone vaccinated, these issues will correct themselves quickly. If your doctor says you must avoid the Covid vaccine, then by all means, isolate and get tested every time you visit the grocery store. Otherwise, get poked!!!! It's the only way we'll all be able to enjoy what we once had >:(!!
Covid is no longer the villain. Antivaccers are the new villains and are more dangerous than the disease itself. We have an answer. Some people are just too narrow minded to take advantage of it.
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I fully agree Lee!
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This is the situation in Italy:
largest on line shop for musical instruments:
https://www.strumentimusicali.net/product_info.php/products_id/66128/yamaha-genos-digital-workstation.html?keywords=genos (https://www.strumentimusicali.net/product_info.php/products_id/66128/yamaha-genos-digital-workstation.html?keywords=genos)
Many other do not have Genos available
::)
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Supply shortages are true in many industries. Bikes, golf clubs, cars. And that’s just what I’ve been shopping for recently. I’m sure there are many others.
Cheers,
Fred
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Genos seems to be available in USA/Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2 (https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2)
The price quoted in this link may not be the best . . . . other US retailers may have it for a better price . . . .
Thanks
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Genos seems to be available in USA/Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2 (https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2)
The price quoted in this link may not be the best . . . . other US retailers may have it for a better price . . . .
Thanks
I just clicked that link and it says the Genos is unavailable.
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I fully agree Lee!
They are avoidable! The biggest obstacle to a return to normal is the "antivaccers." If we can get everyone vaccinated, these issues will correct themselves quickly. If your doctor says you must avoid the Covid vaccine, then by all means, isolate and get tested every time you visit the grocery store. Otherwise, get poked!!!! It's the only way we'll all be able to enjoy what we once had >:(!!
Covid is no longer the villain. Antivaccers are the new villains and are more dangerous than the disease itself. We have an answer. Some people are just too narrow minded to take advantage of it.
And plus 2 from here, it's the antivaxxers.
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Thanks, Stephen.
These antivaccers remind me of the same people to whom you would pass out free $100 bills, and they'd complain because the bills are wrinkled :D!
Jeff, sorry for wandering off topic ;).
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Thanks, Stephen.
These antivaccers remind me of the same people to whom you would pass out free $100 bills, and they'd complain because the bills are wrinkled :D!
Jeff, sorry for wandering off topic ;).
Lee, You're welcome and like your analogy about the $100 bills being wrinkled.
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Thanks Guys for your comments and/or your input. 🤓
I have the impression, reading your feedback, the SX900 production became also a serious Genos problem.
In another thread ( from Australia ) I have read the SX700 is no longer a stock item. I do not know if this statement has ever been confirmed.🤔
I wonder if Yamaha are intended to continue the present SX serie and the Genos1 or are they launching their new models ( successors ) sooner than originally planned after the chip problem will be solved or ... will the production of the present SX serie and the Genos be continued for a couple of years and will new updates follow ?
Only Yamaha know the answer.
Best regards, JH
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Why are we talking about vaccines in a PSR Forum? The moderators should be eliminating this kind of off track commenting.
Rick D.
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I am quite happy playing my Genos and SX900 to worry about what will be next. After the bad times we have had I take it day by day. That must be a que for a song.
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Why are we talking about vaccines in a PSR Forum? ......
Well, thinking about it ....
if people don't do all they can to get rid of the world wide Covid problem, it may cause a lot of losses and nothing much else to 'chat' about at PSR or other fora..... 🙄
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Why are we talking about vaccines in a PSR Forum? The moderators should be eliminating this kind of off track commenting.
Rick D.
I know that it's slightly off-topic but I agree with Gunnar Jonny that the Covid issue is currently at the root of most "out of stock" issues on the planet and the sooner we squash this bug, the faster things will become in stock again. So far, vaccination is the best option. So, vaccinations are a related comment.
Note I did apologize to Jeff for wandering a bit, as if this is the very first thread out of the thousands on this forum where someone wandered off-topic ::).
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Hi Lee :
You do not need to apologize to me.🙏
Your opinion is to be respected, I guess.
There are people who agree and others who do not.
Personally I do not know why there is a digital chip shortage.
I only hope this disaster will be over very soon.
Enough is enough.
Bye for now, JH
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Thanks, Jeff. I agree whole heartedly. An end to this Covid nonsense can't come soon enough ;)!
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Amen!!
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Hi
It is what it is and the more people who do not stick to common sense rules ,well, "They have had their chips"!! ;D
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Well in the UK we also have a shortage of some products in shops due to needing (according to various figures) another 100,000 heavy good vehicle drivers.
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I just clicked that link and it says the Genos is unavailable.
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2 (https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2)
Lee
it is interesting because i just clicked on the link right now Sept 3,2021 at 9:44am San Diego Time. It tells me that it is available, in fact i just put it in my shopping cart . . . . of course i will take it out of shopping cart immediately. It is giving me the option to put in cart or to buy now . .. . . please see attached pic
it can be seen in the pic that the expected delivery date is Oct 12-27 2021 . . . .
Have a great day Everyone
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Strange indeed, Al. This is what I see after clicking your link :o.
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Strange indeed, Al. This is what I see after clicking your link :o.
The reason you're seeing it as unavailable and others are seeing it as available at a later date might be because you have selected a delivery destination in Canada, and others have selected a delivery address in USA??
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The reason you're seeing it as unavailable and others are seeing it as available at a later date might be because you have selected a delivery destination in Canada, and others have selected a delivery address in USA??
Maybe, or it's a timing issue. For me:
In my US Amazon account, I can find and get quoted a delivery date for a Genos.
In my Cdn Amazon account, I'm told there's "1 left in stock".
Neither one is very cheap.
Cheers,
Fred
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Good thoughts, John and Fred. Either way, I'm happy I have my Genos.
It's an amazing keyboard, after you get over the nuisances of the 2.02 update. It's created some major issues in the System settings for which nothing seems to work. Thank goodness for the Freeze button. For now, it seems to be the only thing that works.
Yamaha made some great improvements with this update but they also dropped the ball in a few places. But I digress ;D.
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We have both in stock (only 1 Genos though) Western Canada.
Mark
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Personally I do not know why there is a digital chip shortage.
Hi Jeff --
I got curious about this, too. There are several factors as the world is a complicated place. :)
Many integrated circuits (IC) are made in China. The Chinese COVID-19 protocols have slowed production.
Some manufacturers deliberately slowed production anticipating a global business slowdown. Now it's taking time to ramp up, again. Semiconductor manufacturing is not a case of "let's put a few more people on the nightshift." It takes time to restart fabrication lines. And building a factory -- it takes years. Thus, factory capacity is pretty much fixed in the short and medium term. Product lead times are out to 32 weeks.
Many ICs are relatively general purpose (like memory), but some ICs are special purpose like the digital to analog converters (DAC) in audio products. There were two significant factory fires: one affecting chips for automobiles and one affecting DACs. In the first case, Toyota (and others) got hit hard. In the second case, Yamaha and other vendors using audio chips like DACs got hit hard.
Yes, manufacturing of special ICs can be that specialized and localized! The Japanese authorities have only recently allowed the DAC factory to rebuild; it was off-line for several months. If a company like Yamaha needs a specialized chip for a product and the company cannot get the chip, it must wait even if it has all the other parts in hand.
Throw the global shipping mess on top and it's a disaster stew. :o
Hope this simplified explanation helps -- pj
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Thank you so much for explaining what the shortage of
( digital ) chips means and what the consequences are, PJ ! 🙏
Now I understand what this means for Yamaha.
Horrible situation and how long will it take before the present situation will be over ? 😥
Best regards,
JH
The Grateful
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Current situation in Australia is the SX-700 is still listed but no stock. SX-900 and Genos also no stock The sx-900 has been out of stock probably for quite a few months now but I was lucky and found a used one (only a few months old) Covid is causing major issues on anything that has to be imported!!
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Hi ChrisH :
Thank you for your feedback.🙏
Your statement is confirming the current situation sounds dramatic as far as the present production of Yamaha's arranger keyboards is concerned.
I should not be surprised if Yamaha are informing the world soon how they are intending to handle this problematic situation and what their plans are for the near future.
Again, let us cross our fingers and hope for the best.🤞
Best wishes, JH
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All things will come right in the end. Covid has probably been most peoples concern.
Those of us who already have keyboards should enjoy playing what we have and not take up all our time worrying about what might be. SX900 are available in some of our shops in UK as are Genos.
At the moment the only chips I want to hear about are those you get with fish.
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Hi Eileen :
Let me thank you for your kind words.🙏
I agree with you we are lucky Yamaha keyboard owners and do enjoy playing. 😃
It looks like the UK is more lucky than most other countries in the rest of the world and I am happy for you, guys.
On the other hand I feel very sorry for Yamaha and their dealers.
Most of these dealers are small family companies and they have to fight for every penny.
Best regards, JH
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At the moment the only chips I want to hear about are those you get with fish.
Hmmm....English fish and chips 👍. Only had them once but they were amazing! Wash thoroughly before playing your Genos afterwards.
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Yes of course Lee. Last thing you want on your keys is Salt and vinegar as well as grease dose smell nice though. ;)
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Yummy yummy!!!😀😀😀
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All things will come right in the end. Covid has probably been most peoples concern.
Those of us who already have keyboards should enjoy playing what we have and not take up all our time worrying about what might be. SX900 are available in some of our shops in UK as are Genos.
At the moment the only chips I want to hear about are those you get with fish.
Come on Eileen "What about Microfish"!! ::) ;D
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Come on Eileen "What about Microfish"!! ::) ;D
Better than "Microsoft" 🤣! Then again, watered down gin and earaches combined are better than Microsoft!
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Genos seems to be available in USA/Amazon
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1630526650&s=musical-instruments&sr=1-2
The price quoted in this link may not be the best . . . . other US retailers may have it for a better price . . . .
Today is Sep-11, I clicked the link and there is one available, I ordered it immediately.
Delivery is said to be on Sep-14. I hope I can get it as expected. I trusted Amazon for their delivery.
In US, the price of Genos is the same anywhere: 5999$ + sale tax.
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Is this price higher than in 2017 or ... equal ?
Plse advise. Thanks. JH
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I did not look at Genos price in 2017 or 2018. I believe it was listed at 5,500$.
In 2021, it increases by 500$, a extra price to pay due to the shortage.
All new boards like SX700, SX900, KORG-PA700, KORG-PA1000 all get their sale price increased in 2021.
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Thank you for your feedback, Tyros2009.
The list price might have been USD 5,500 in 2017/18 but I cannot remember what the average Genos street price was at that time.
I understand the present USD 6,000 price is also a street price, am I right ?
Even when it is hard to say for the time being, due to the present chip shortage and the container transport problems, I may hope Yamaha will announce before January 1, 2022 what we can expect in 2022.
Cross my fingers and hope for the best.
Take care, JH
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Yes, 6000$ is the price that all music stores ask for the Genos. During normal time, I can negociate to get some discount or some extra gears along with this Genos. But, all stores stand firm, 6000$+tax is just for the Genos and nothing else. PLUS, if you order one today, most of them promise to ship by the end of 2021 or early 2022 because they do not have Genos in stock !!
And by keeping this order, your credit amount will be decreased by (6000$+tax). Sellers only charge your credit card when the product is actually shipped.
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Hey Tyros2009 :
Reading your last message, I cannot hardly believe my own eyes.
What a situation ...
Bye for now !
JH
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In Mexico, my country, if there is Genos at a very good price: $ 4275.00 US Dollar
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Hi :
Are you sure the Mexican price in USD is for a brand new Genos ?
Plse advise. Thanks !
JH
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I like to know the price of brand new Genos in Mexico too.
Yesterday, after I put the order on Amazon, the 6000$ ONE is no longer listed. But another one pops up:
https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1631461690&sr=8-2
The price of this one is 6,600$ + 360$ shipping. And it does not even mention "new" or "pre-owned".
For the last two months, in US, I have been looking to order Genos online. Every store ask for 6000$+tax and says that it will be available for the end of 2021-early 2022. Meaning it won't be shipped for months.
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I like to know the price of brand new Genos in Mexico too.
Check the attached pics
. . . Mexican Amazon is selling one Genos for approx $4,900 shipping included to Mexico locations. Ready to ship by 9/16. Shipped by Amazon Mexico. The price is in mexican pesos, the current rate is approx $1 US = $19.50 Mex pesos. (varies every day) Apparently it is a new keyboard. But buyer would need to verify with vendor. The vendor name listed is SonoRitmo . . . . .
https://www.amazon.com.mx/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=55261160062&dchild=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOvvmKX68gIVOh-tBh3Ndw6qEAAYAyAAEgKySvD_BwE&hvadid=286733830795&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9073855&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=2417429093155917772&hvtargid=kwd-356915143335&hydadcr=26975_9860304&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1631480538&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.3b3c7eca-3ba3-4493-9fea-71b95270d025 (https://www.amazon.com.mx/Yamaha-Genos-76-Key-Digital-Workstation/dp/B0764HBJ6Z/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=55261160062&dchild=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiOvvmKX68gIVOh-tBh3Ndw6qEAAYAyAAEgKySvD_BwE&hvadid=286733830795&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9073855&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=2417429093155917772&hvtargid=kwd-356915143335&hydadcr=26975_9860304&keywords=yamaha+genos&qid=1631480538&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.3b3c7eca-3ba3-4493-9fea-71b95270d025)
https://sonoritmo.com.mx/ (https://sonoritmo.com.mx/)
Also,
....... Mercado Libre (something like mexican eBay) also offers a USED one for less than $4,500. Shipping included to mexican locations.
https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-1307513341-yamaha-genos-_JM#position=3&search_layout=stack&type=item&tracking_id=274b421a-3cfa-4857-80cd-9c9cd36b65ab
Disclaimer:
I am not suggesting to buy or not to buy . . . . I have no affiliation or connection with any of these vendors, just trying to help in answering the question posted above. Your own desition your own risk.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Al,
Thank you very much for your detailed feedback.
Very much appreciated.😃
Best regards, JH
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Hi Tyros2009 :
I feel very sorry for you.🙄
This is bad and sad news, I guess. 😥
Did you contact Yamaha USA about the present Genos lead time and price ?
If you have the intention to do so, I would be very grateful for sharing their reply.
Thank you for your help.
It looks to become a very serious problem.
Wish you all the best, JH
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I don't think you can call this a serious problem with all that is going on around the world. Different countries have different policies on how they supply keyboards. Here
in the UK we don't have a big problem with getting the keyboard you want and I am sure there are shops in the USA that have these keyboards also.
I think this thread is getting a little stale now.
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In US, not only keyboards, cars and other devices using microchips seem to be affected. New cars are hard to find, old cars are sold at price higher than normal.
Anyway, my Genos is delivered today (less than 4 days since I ordered).
The next one on Amazon is listed for 1000$ more (tax included), no buyer yet.
I am happy having my Genos at home. Will do a lot of tests in the next few weeks.
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Hi :
Are you sure the Mexican price in USD is for a brand new Genos ?
Plse advise. Thanks !
JH
The Mexican store Faly Music offers Yamaha Genos in the equivalent of $ 4275 US dollars.
$ 85 499 Mexican peso.
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We don't have any additional Genos yet, but now we have a lot of PSRsx900 available
(Western Canada)
Mark
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I have a used Genos available in the US for sale. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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I just got a new one for about $4,200... but from a Yamaha dealer in Africa. Man, I feel good about my purchase now....I actually wanted a sx900, but they were out of stock. Then when I tried the sx700, and the A5000 I just had to buy the Genos.
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I bought mine recently from Alto Music. I didn't get any bargain price, but at least they had one available in the USA. I did get what they call "Alto Bucks" for 15% of the price that could be applied to a new order, which I put into buying some accessories for the keyboard. So I guess it all worked out in the end.
According to their website, they still have at least one available right now.