PSR Tutorial Forum

Yamaha Keyboards (4 Boards) => The Next Yamaha Keyboard => Topic started by: Enildo on November 05, 2020, 09:58:10 AM

Title: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Enildo on November 05, 2020, 09:58:10 AM
Hello everyone!

The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:

01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls

Enildo
Title: Re: Las 13 cosas que quería en el siguiente teclado PSR yamaha
Post by: hans1966 on November 06, 2020, 12:22:47 AM
Hello Enildo, very good points.  I would add another three points. continuing the list: 14. possibility of direct sampling on the keyboard. 15. In the "Song Creator" possibility to copy specific bars or measures from one channel to another channel. 16. Replacement of the power adapter by power cord. Best regards. Hans
Title: Re: Las 13 cosas que quería en el siguiente teclado PSR yamaha
Post by: Enildo on November 06, 2020, 09:56:34 AM
Hello Enildo, very good points.  I would add another three points. continuing the list: 14. possibility of direct sampling on the keyboard. 15. In the "Song Creator" possibility to copy specific bars or measures from one channel to another channel. 16. Replacement of the power adapter by power cord. Best regards. Hans

Hi Hans!

Thank you for your help, You brought good points!

Enildo
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: luiscarlos2000 on November 10, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
Interesting points. I want to add another.
17: Add accessibility functions: Since that keyboards now uses touch screens, for a blind (visually impaired) person like me, and also low vision persons, it could be impossible to navigate between the options of the keyboard. For this case I want a screen reading and magnifying functionality to the keyboard to have more access to their settings.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Enildo on November 10, 2020, 10:21:36 AM
Interesting points. I want to add another.
17: Add accessibility functions: Since that keyboards now uses touch screens, for a blind (visually impaired) person like me, and also low vision persons, it could be impossible to navigate between the options of the keyboard. For this case I want a screen reading and magnifying functionality to the keyboard to have more access to their settings.

Thanks for the contribution Luís Carlos, you included a super important suggestion,
although yamaha has already put an accessibility program on its SX and Genos lines, but it needs to improve and evolve.

Enildo
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: 3dc on November 10, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
My suggestions for PSR-E463:

1. Pitch and Mod Wheel or Joystick
2. MIDI master controller implementation and better DAW workflow integration
3. Simple step sequencer for fast music arrangement
4. Velocity sensitive Pads
5. Memory for all keyboard settings
6. L and R out in 61 keys
7. 14 W speakers with 1" Twitter ( mini studio monitors )
8. Color display with better overview of selected functions
9. Simple 3 oscillators synth engine with dedicated knobs and sliders for education purposes

I know all highly unlikely I am afraid.  :'(
Its really not understandable to me that Yamaha leaves all MIDI controller customers to other brands like Novation, Roland, Korg,.... I can see the benefit of educational keyboard in E373 but the new E473 should be a better intermediate step to either Arranger or Synthesizer path.     
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: blackpool on November 10, 2020, 03:51:20 PM
I am very happy with everything apart from aftertouch

I think the SX models are the best PSR's ever produced and the midrange 700 is just the best 'bang for buck' in the arranger/workstation market in my view.

With respect......E models are never going to offer the same spec as SX's in the lineup of PSR's ....They are at a different price point
Keith
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Joe H on November 10, 2020, 04:15:18 PM
Sustain on all style Parts is a no no... that will cause all kinds of problems I'm sure (that's why it is not possible now).

But I would welcome

A. - An improved noise-free key bed with After Touch
B. - A CASM Editor in Style Creator (but StyleMagic has a good one already along with a good Drum Editor)
C. - An Arpeggiator Editor to create User Arpeggios
D. - Return of the physical Fade In / Fade Out button

Joe H
Title: Re: Las 13 cosas que quería en el siguiente teclado PSR yamaha
Post by: hans1966 on November 10, 2020, 04:35:17 PM
Very good point Joe H., I would add as an additional and no less important point 18. or 19, possibility of a piano roll editor, in "Song Creator" and "Style Creator". Hans
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mixermixer on December 09, 2020, 02:24:28 PM
I'd like to add to the list an improved response time on the touchscreen, I've tested the SX900 and it reacts slowly IMO. Also it could be only me and I've said this before, but I would like to bring back the "Ballad" category; currently its mushed in the Pop & Rock, some in Country, others in some other category. I found that I can navigate better without the search function by going to my downloaded T4 styles that I have in a USB and browse via folders, but that's because I'm accustomed to the old UI before the touch and I mentally know where certain styles are based in their page location (muscle memory)... and hey, the SX900 does full voicing of the T4 factory styles, took them 10 years for the trickle down lol :)

/rant
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: EileenL on December 09, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
I find the touch screen as quick as my I pad. No problems at all.
As to styles why not find the ones you use a lot and save then to favourites. Then always easy to find by just pressing Favourite button
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: overover on December 09, 2020, 05:16:40 PM
I'd like to add to the list an improved response time on the touchscreen, I've tested the SX900 and it reacts slowly IMO. ...

Hi mixermixer,

you can go to [Menu] > [Utility] > [Touch Screen/Display] and switch off the "Transition Effect" (on page 2/2). This makes the display changes faster.


Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Moontom on January 01, 2021, 05:06:41 PM
curious if the new SX line allows for MIDI multi-tracking and then looping the results. this is a huge problem w/ the Genos....how these sophisticated instruments lack that basic capability is beyond me.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: bernamato on March 03, 2021, 10:27:48 AM
I add:
the direct on disk reading instruments and other voices to be used on each track styles
This technology is old. Why will not implement it in 2021?
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Jeff Hollande on March 03, 2021, 12:22:53 PM
Would an additional SX900 update ( if possible) be useful/helpful ?

Best wishes,  Jeff Hollande
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: hans1966 on March 12, 2021, 02:06:01 AM
Hi Jeff, I'm also looking forward to a major update for my SX900.
For example: in "Song Creator" you can implement more event editing tools such as: piano roll, copy of specific measures from one channel to another, and / or copy by instrument blocks (channels or tracks) with specific measures to other channels or tracks.
 
possibility of direct data transfer from the keyboard to the computer, and vice versa through the USB HOST port, without the need to install a driver.

for me these tools are essential,
since I like to work musical arrangements from the keyboard without the need for external software.
greetings. Hans
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mhack on March 16, 2021, 05:16:25 PM
EXCELLENT! I REALLY LIKE THE CHOICES. Light for harmony and fade in/out control my favorites.
Hack
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: hans1966 on April 02, 2021, 01:20:07 AM
Another interesting point for a future update is the implementation of a multitrack audio recorder, with editing functions such as:
overdub, punch, cut, and insert.  (The latter for pads, arpeggiators, and effects).

they are just my suggestions. ;)


regards
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 02, 2021, 02:18:12 PM
You can’t make good multi track recordings without a final mix facility ie able to move volumes on every track in real time as you make a final mix. It’s a really basic function missing from ALL these arrangers. Nobody ever lists it in these “wants” lists, but IMHO it is a really important function that is always missing.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: hans1966 on April 02, 2021, 04:34:49 PM
Hi Mike, I agree with you.

A good multitrack recorder should carry a good mixer where you can make adjustments such as: volumes, equalizer, effects, panning, and compressor.

We hope that Yamaha will take these suggestions into account either in an upcoming software update, or in future models.


regards


Hans
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: EileenL on April 02, 2021, 10:23:02 PM
That is why a lot of us record in midi first as it allows you to edit before recording to Audio.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 02, 2021, 10:49:31 PM
Eileen
It doesn’t let you do a final mix, whether you record to midi or not. Multi track mixing is not an edit technique the keyboard supports. It’s the process you always see sound engineers typically performing as they sit at the big multi track recording desk moving the sliders around in real time to get channel volumes exactly right at every point as they make the final mix.
 Of course I can do it by feeding to audacity and using the onboard mixer to control every midi channel volume in real time. But the keyboard is quite capable of making audio recording, so I shouldn’t have to use audacity. You  need to be able to do a mix onboard without using external software. It’s no big deal if all you are doing is recording a typical arranger performance, but for sophisticated multi track recording it is essential.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Toril S on April 02, 2021, 11:08:33 PM
If you balance the style and voices before making a multi track recording it will not sound any worse than a quick recording. But I agree, it needs a mixer.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 03, 2021, 01:52:37 AM
Toril
That’s not how it works on a multi track. You typically record track at a time, so when you record one track all the others may not yet be recorded. So no matter how good you are, there will still be certain parts where you want to back off some parts, bring others up, fade some sections in, others out etc etc. You always end up making adjustments in real time as you listen to the totality not just to get a good well balanced recording, but to get the whole arrangement to sound the way you want. It’s one of the most important steps in making a complicated multi track arrangement.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: DrakeM on April 03, 2021, 02:57:59 AM
You just need to use Audacity to mix the tracks ONE at time. You know it is a free program to go download, right?

Once you make your MIDI file of your song on your keyboard, you can then make a WAV of EACH for the tracks parts by itself.   
Then import the all those WAV files into Audacity and mix them to your hearts content. With Audacity you can mix each whole track at once OR a small section of each of the tracks in any size.

What you are wanting is already available FREE.  ;)

I have thought about doing my song performances that way BUT that would not be what the performance would really sound like using the STYLE out on a gig. That is why I spend hours MIXING the style on my keyboard with my mic vocals at ONE content setting. Then go back and listen to the recordings weeks and months later and ideas for licks and riffs sometimes occur to me to add to the performance.

Regards
Drake



 
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: DrakeM on April 03, 2021, 03:18:46 AM
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls

Just a couple tips I use to eliminate these two issues you seem to have listed.

(12 ) That is what a "registration" is used for. It "lights" up when it is ON or OFF.
(13)  You can set up registrations as I do to engage the "back up harmony" and then OFF using them. You can use more that ONE registration to perform a song if needed.  ;)

If you want to Fade in and out on your song recordings just use Audacity (it’s a free program).  But don’t ever use it playing LIVE for crying out loud, end the song like a real band would … TAG the dare thing. 8)
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 03, 2021, 04:55:12 AM
Drake
I know all about audacity. And of course I can also do this with digital multi track recorders and mixers, all of which I have done in the past. There are plenty of alternative ways to skin the cat. I just believe the keyboard should have this function. It has nearly everything you need to do quite sophisticated multi track midi recording on board - except a mixing facility. This seems a basic need to me. I had this discussion with a Yamaha keyboard tech and he agreed it was something they need to address.
And cost or free is not a driver for quite a lot of people. Convenience is. I have a CVP, which is a very neat self contained piece of furniture that sits well in a nice room. I have no need or desire to have that littered with wires running everywhere, computers and other hardware.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: hans1966 on April 03, 2021, 06:59:27 AM
Hi Mike, I agree with you.

Perhaps the other colleagues do not understand the complexity of an orchestral composition with voices included.

For example, in addition to making all the necessary MIDI adjustments, such as: control changes for certain parts of the song (volume, modulation, sustain, effects) to make it sound as dynamic as possible (including the ability to play difficult passages with sounds that have articulation) multitrack audio recording is also needed, for the following reasons.

1. make the final mix. this includes: volume, external effects, external equalization, external compression, normalization and mastering.


2. If in addition to the MIDI arrangement, external instruments are required (guitars, violins, brass, external synthesizer) and also male and female singers each singing their soloist part and then en bloc (3,4, or 6 voices)

then a multi-channel mixer / recorder keyboard with a minimum of 16 tracks is required with the functions described above, in addition to automation, and scene recording.


With such a keyboard, you don't need external software to record your best arrangement, no matter how complex.

this is just my opinion.


regards


Hans
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: DrakeM on April 03, 2021, 05:56:32 PM
Well, have Yamaha stick that sort of thing on the Genos line but not on the SX series of keyboards.

I don't want to pay extra for something that is free already.  ;D

Regards
Drake

Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 03, 2021, 08:31:55 PM
Drake - don’t worry, Yamaha will recover all the software development costs from CVP and Genos buyers. Then they can throw it in the next model down a couple of years later at almost no cost. That’s their normal modus operandi. LOL.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: DrakeM on April 03, 2021, 09:19:17 PM
Alright, now that works for me. ;)
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Enildo on April 03, 2021, 09:55:07 PM
Hello everyone!

The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:

01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls

Enildo

I continue with my 13 wishes, + the Piano hall and MultTrack Editor suggested by Hans.
Drake, I already use VH with the registers, but it would be very important that when it is activated, it shows on the led panel as "ON" and deactivated as "OFF".
This would be resolved in the current SX900, with just a software update.
Maybe Yamaha will put some of those wishes in the SX910!

Regards,
Enildo
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Fred Smith on April 03, 2021, 10:59:53 PM
Drake - don’t worry, Yamaha will recover all the software development costs from CVP and Genos buyers. Then they can throw it in the next model down a couple of years later at almost no cost. That’s their normal modus operandi. LOL.
Mike

We Genos players don't want to pay extra for something that is free elsewhere, either.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Enildo on April 03, 2021, 11:20:25 PM
Ladies and gentlemen!

All of these technologies will be silly things in the near future.
Without this "I don't want to pay more" for this or that, if you don't have any of this, you will pay more anyway.
Regardless of what resources we will or will not pay the most.
More imagine our current keyboards, with all these technologies at our disposal, and imagine if we were still with the PSR 510,
from the 90s, and companies were not going to implement any extra resources because we would pay more for them ...
All of this will come, whether in the next model or in future models, and we will always pay more, as it is the logic of the market.
Until today I never paid cheaper when I changed equipment.

All of these wishes will be silly things in the future, and future generations will continue to demand new things
and all of this will be implemented by companies like Yamaha, Korg, Roland, etc ...

Perhaps in our backward minds today, it doesn't make sense that an "A" or "B" feature is available directly on our keyboards.
Here comes the questions: "But what am I going to need this for?" "And why would anyone pay more for it, if a computer program already exists?"
The logic of the future is called "practicality". In the past I needed 10 electronic devices and used large and heavy speakers,
today I only use the keyboard and 1 or 2 portable speakers weighing less than 20 kg.

The future does not stop, whether you like it or not.

Enildo
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 04, 2021, 12:08:59 AM
Predicting what people will value in the future is almost impossible. Many years ago Bell Telephone company, at the time the largest communication company in the world, hired a firm of  top consultants to investigate whether they should enter the mobile phone market. After spending several million dollars on market research the consultants advised Bell that mobile phones only had value to a relatively small group of people and that it was a small niche not worth their attention.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: rodrigo.b on April 04, 2021, 12:36:39 AM
Hey everyone!

The things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:

1.The ability to create MegaVoices and Super Articulation voices
2.More powerful style creator with an easy to use interface
3.More drum and percussion voices with better quality
4.CFX and C7 piano samples (with a lot of layers not only 3 or 4)
5.Improved Score display function (now the score display doesn’t show you things like sustain pedal)
6.Aftertouch
7.HDMI video output.
8.New Vocal Harmony with more presets to choose from
9.More demo songs to showcase the new voices, styles and features
10.A better Megaenhancer software built in to the keyboard.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Toril S on April 04, 2021, 12:25:57 PM
I just want a keyboard that is easy to sit and play, with a large screen, and a file system that highlight the folder you are in and a quick way to navigate between files. A tilted screen would be nice! And I want Yamaha to make it easy to switch styles between keyboards without all the tweaking and voice changes we have to do.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: metcam on April 05, 2021, 10:34:33 AM
My wishes to next psr:

1.Song Syncro Start Off/On realy neded for all players who use MIDI songs and style together for play. At this moment on SX-900 is almost perfect ,just need a little  to complete that functions:

MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.

2. More expansion room,,2GB or more....

3.SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:

Since Yamaha rise song to 3MB now we need more "SONG POSITIONS markers"

It would be nice if Yamaha make in SX? a minimum 8 or even better 12 of SONG POSITIONS markers:

4. NOTE SHIFT on board.

5.MIDI DRUM EDITOR  so we have same as on style drum editor.

6. Posability to create custom voices and custom drums from Internal/External samples

7. SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:  possibility to call positions trough registrations will be very  useful

8. Song PART (VOICE/DRUM KIT)  and VOLUME change  for each MIDI Chanel possibility to memorize (REGISTRATIONS MEMORY)  and call when need. Same as style parts! This will  be a very helpful!

Regards!
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: tbaroghel on April 05, 2021, 04:06:27 PM
Maybe I am out of line here, but what I would really appreciate is an easy/natural way to adjust tempo in real time when playing live:
I would like to be able to "slow down" the tempo at certain moments and quickly return to the original. Also a way to gradually increase tempo for other pieces.
I have tried using an expression pedal assigned to tempo, but it was really hit and miss. Maybe users had success with this or a rotary knob ...

I hope this is just something I missed in the exploration of my SX900 features, and I am ready to stand corrected if a method exists already.

Regards,

Thierry
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on April 05, 2021, 05:25:42 PM
If you set a pedal to tap in the beat, then you can easily reset the tempo in real time with a foot tap. Actually it takes two taps to set the new tempo. But one thing to also be aware of is that often styles only sound good within certain tempo limits. Try slowing a style way down and you will see what I mean.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Georgeandmarj on April 05, 2021, 07:02:26 PM
My main ask is for an expansion system that is easy, I’ve given up on the present one.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: jugge on April 05, 2021, 07:34:57 PM
On the top of my list, is a VST connection plugin similar to the one available for the MODX, for integration with Cubase and other DAWs
It was always a bit of pain to get Genos play nice with Cubase, but this plugin have save me a lot of headache.
Every changes made on the Keyboard will be transferred to Cubase and recalled once you open the project in Cubase again.

Oh, and Soundmondo integration would be nice too  ;D https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/ (https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/)
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: overover on April 05, 2021, 07:45:36 PM
My main ask is for an expansion system that is easy, I’ve given up on the present one.

Hi Georgeandmarj,

basically, the current YEM system is very easy to use. In the meantime, Yamaha has eliminated a lot of previous bugs / "teething problems". So if you have installed the latest Firmware on your keyboard, are using the latest YEM version and, ideally, have also read the relevant manuals, everything should work.

I've looked at 80 of your previous posts (back to 2018), but didn't find any questions about YEM (Yamaha Expansion Manager) among them. Just start a new thread and ask all questions about the points where you get stuck with YEM or when installing Expansion Packs on your keyboard. Here in the forum you will for sure get help! :)


Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Enildo on April 07, 2021, 12:39:00 PM
Hello forum!

I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.

Enildo
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Toril S on April 07, 2021, 01:50:03 PM
Enildo, I agree fully!!!
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: tyros5psr on April 07, 2021, 07:12:44 PM
thank you very much for that very interesting explanation
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: hans1966 on April 07, 2021, 08:54:41 PM
Hello forum!

I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.

Enildo




Hello Enildo, very good points.

Let's wait to see what features Yamaha add to the new model.

regards

Hans
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: luiscarlos2000 on April 10, 2021, 09:38:00 PM
Hi Enildo,
As I saw that the Yamaha PSR-A5000 was recently released, will there be accessibility support? Most probably the sx series has it so it will be applied to the new A5000, although I'm not shure.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Enildo on April 11, 2021, 11:32:52 PM
Hi Enildo,
As I saw that the Yamaha PSR-A5000 was recently released, will there be accessibility support? Most probably the sx series has it so it will be applied to the new A5000, although I'm not shure.

Olá Luis Carlos

I believe that all new models from the SX and Genos lines will have accessibility support.

Enildo
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: luiscarlos2000 on April 12, 2021, 02:53:24 AM
Also believe that. This could be an interesting topic to discuss.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: overover on April 12, 2021, 03:01:08 AM
Hi luiscarlos2000,

the term "voice guide" is mentioned in the A5000 Reference Manual more than 20 times.

So this model definitely has this function (like SX900/700 and Genos). The only thing is that the Voice Guide file is not yet available for download.


Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: luiscarlos2000 on April 12, 2021, 04:37:59 AM
Thanks for the answer Chriss. I understand it correctly: Voice guide is implemented, however the file is not yet available to download. Only waiting is our best option.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: metcam on April 18, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
I wish Yamaha implement trough next OS and YEM update  to SX-series keyboards " Special features" in YEM same as "Genos/Tyros5" have.

Yamaha Expansion manager owners manual page 24.


I really don't like compare Yamaha to others ,,,well  all KORG PA series starting from PA-80 20 years ago have that options.
It's really shame the new SX-series can't do this.

Believe Yamaha will update this option to SX keyboards. 

Best regards!
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Joe H on April 18, 2021, 04:10:57 PM
What I would like to see is:

All Live control parameters can be assigned to foot pedal.
Sysex messages available for ALL arpeggio parameters in the Data List book. 

Joe H
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: DJIncendration on April 22, 2021, 02:46:33 AM
Good thinking. I have a few things I'd like to add:
19. Revo!Drums/SFX: The A5000 has 20 Revo SFX, while the Genos has 10 Revo Drums and SFX, and the SX900 has none. The SX900 only has the drums and PopPercKit without wave cycling and all the technology that the Revo!Drums/SFX have on the Genos/A5000.
20. voices: The PSR-SX600 has voices that are not on the PSR-SX700, 900, or Genos (not that I'd definitely use all of them, but still). Here are a few examples:
CavacoLegato 8 35 24 S.Art!
CavacoStrum 8 37 24 S.Art!
ViolaCaipiraLegato 8 32 15 S.Art!
ViolaCaipiraStrum 8 34 15 S.Art!
I understand that the keyboards may increase in price with these changes, but they'd make the flagship keyboard (and the PSR models) even better.
Edit: Turns out that the voices I listed earlier are in an expansion pack for the SX700, 900, and Genos. Only 19 still applies.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: jamferreira2020 on September 03, 2021, 12:24:47 AM
I would add voice command search
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: cliffordleo1965 on September 04, 2021, 05:23:21 PM
Hello everyone!

The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:

01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls

Enildo

sx 900 and psr s 975 all operating battens are rubbered it have change to plastic battens then it will be better like genos butens it will be long lasting cost we can bare
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 04, 2021, 06:14:43 PM
Hi  :

As long as the digital chip shortage will not be ended nor solved, Yamaha are not even in the position to produce all their backorders   ( see  explanation of PJ ).

Most dealers have no Yamaha arranger keyboards in stock ...
for how long ?

The above mentioned disaster is Yamaha's priority
# one before Yamaha can think about updates or additional
features etc. , IMHO.

Nobody knows how and when this problem will be solved but patience might help.

Cross my fingers this shortage will be solved asap so all your wishes may come true.

Take care, JH
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Live Musician Newbie on October 03, 2021, 02:46:36 PM
My wishlist for the next PSR keyboard ...
Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation) Or a mix of ModX + SX900

Details
- All portamento functions from the A5000 and more E.g. A Velocity parameter to determine the start point of a waveform.
- Dedicated button for Portamento
- Registration buttons on the left side with live switching (Voice shouldn't cut off when a new bank is selected)
- Import packs right from within the keyboard, able to select voices within the pack.
- Onboard Sampling and more voice edit features (Incl internal voices)
- Tilt'able Display
- A Ribbon controller

ALSO Stating things that I DO NOT want
- Vocal harmony
- Touch Displays
- YEM and everything related to it. OR integrate this into the keyboard, Packs should be installable from within the keyboard.
- Demonstration songs (Please put those in the website)
- Music Finder stuffs
- OTS
- MIDI in / out / thru jacks (Please make those USB based)
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: cliffordleo1965 on October 19, 2021, 04:54:05 PM
Hello forum!

I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.

Enildo
only color is changes is not ok. if style operating buttons and other buttons must have to change to plastic it will be better. its in genos keyboard, if sx series have same type buttons Yamaha co can cost little more for it, its long life, and user friendly.. clifford leo dsouza,
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Fred Smith on October 19, 2021, 04:57:41 PM
ALSO Stating things that I DO NOT want
- Vocal harmony
- Touch Displays
- YEM and everything related to it. OR integrate this into the keyboard, Packs should be installable from within the keyboard.
- Demonstration songs (Please put those in the website)
- Music Finder stuffs
- OTS
- MIDI in / out / thru jacks (Please make those USB based)

I don't think arranger keyboards are for you.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on October 19, 2021, 06:56:49 PM
My wishlist for the next PSR keyboard ...
Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation)
IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want. More complicated keyboards are already out there, but not what typical arranger buyers choose. They want want simple, easy play, good sound. We see this kind of sentiment quite often because the “power users” tend to be more demanding, more vocal….but they do not represent the majority buyer, so hopefully Yamaha see this in the proper context.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: pjd on October 19, 2021, 07:17:19 PM
Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation)

IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want.

Mike

Hi Mike --

I get what you're saying. However, there may be a way to implement synth-like voice editing without complicating the existing arranger interface. I'm thinking about a single button in the voice edit menu which opens a door to the synth parameters that are currently hidden from users. To keep development cost low, table/textual editing would be enough -- no need for graphical dials, etc.

The older Tyros series had keyboard-resident voice editing (Voice Creator) which they removed in order to simplify. Then, they had to scramble to implement voice editing in YEM -- and doing only a half-way job of it.

Not to start a Yamaha vs. Korg discussion, but the Korg arrangers do have deeper voice editing. Does Yamaha want to compete in that area or lose so-called power users to Korg?

Personally, I'm not letting Yamaha off the hook -- pj
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: hans1966 on October 21, 2021, 05:00:12 AM
I totally agree with you Pjd.

It would be good if Yamaha implemented some voice editing parameters such as: Oscillators, with their AMP, and respective PITCH (Can be Osc1, Osc2) EG (Envelope Generators), LFO (Low Frequency Oscillator) LFO1, LFO2
Crossfade, to create nice transitions between various layers of sound.

All this plus what comes from the factory in the SX series, and Genos which is: Cut, Release, Attack, Decay.

These are just my two cents

Greetings

Hans
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Amwilburn on October 30, 2021, 08:04:45 PM
Hi Mike --

I get what you're saying. However, there may be a way to implement synth-like voice editing without complicating the existing arranger interface. I'm thinking about a single button in the voice edit menu which opens a door to the synth parameters that are currently hidden from users. To keep development cost low, table/textual editing would be enough -- no need for graphical dials, etc.

The older Tyros series had keyboard-resident voice editing (Voice Creator) which they removed in order to simplify. Then, they had to scramble to implement voice editing in YEM -- and doing only a half-way job of it.

Not to start a Yamaha vs. Korg discussion, but the Korg arrangers do have deeper voice editing. Does Yamaha want to compete in that area or lose so-called power users to Korg?

Personally, I'm not letting Yamaha off the hook -- pj

There's no voice editor? I mean, I can still use the voice edit function (on all the current touchscreen models), change ADSR via the "Sound" submenu of voice edit... that seems to be the same as on my CVP309 and PSRs970? Or was it deeper on the non-touchscreen Yamahas?

Just checked our T4, and you're right... I didn't even notice the "Voice Edit via PC" and "Custom Voice Assembly"! How does the latter work? Can I trigger different voices at different velocities? were these custom voices exportable to other boards?

Mark
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Live Musician Newbie on October 31, 2021, 04:38:54 PM
IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want. More complicated keyboards are already out there, but not what typical arranger buyers choose. They want want simple, easy play, good sound. We see this kind of sentiment quite often because the “power users” tend to be more demanding, more vocal….but they do not represent the majority buyer, so hopefully Yamaha see this in the proper context.
Mike

My brother owns a PSR 9000 and it does have sound editing features, (including onboard sampling)
SX should have this, while for the E series they can keep it simple.
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: mikf on October 31, 2021, 05:14:05 PM
Pretty much all the keyboards have fairly extensive editing of voices, and some have sampling. My comments referred to much more than this  -- the poster wanted the arranger to become a hybrid of an arranger and a workstation. I see that as overkill for most arranger players. The E series is a simpler option, and pretty good, but it is a lower quality /much lower cost keyboard than the Genos or other TOTL arrangers, and aimed at avery  different market.
Mike
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Jeff Hollande on October 31, 2021, 06:13:56 PM
IMHO it is not easy and difficult for Yamaha to develop and create a new high end arranger keyboard after the creation of the Genos and the SX serie.
Time will tell.
 
Synth players are different musicians than arranger keyboard players.
Their individual demands and needs are not comparable and absolutely different.

I think Mike is right.

Best regards, JH

 
Title: Re: The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard
Post by: Live Musician Newbie on November 16, 2021, 04:56:41 PM
Contd of my wish lists

An arranger is only as good as its Rhythm and accompaniment customizations. The biggest drawback of Yamaha keyboards (GENOS and PSR S/SX) is the difficulty in creating custom accompaniments  A BIG LET DOWN, especially after spending big ones.

By default one is fixed in C Major I try to change it to a minor, or I try to transpose my code etc, and the whole accompaniment messes itself up.
- Please make this customizable. For a start, Do not force us to move into a different mode (explained in detail below)
Unable to check chord progressions while editing accompaniment.
- Change your architecture, do not force us into any modes. Make it just one click away (Like your voice edit) Make it freely transposable, Octave shift's etc and we are able to play along as we customize our styles.
Step recording is more confusing with lot of text style format and deleting one would shift up the rest etc
- Please make it diagramatic .. those Roland TR 101 Block style. where we turn on off each note. and if one needs to dig deeper, each note (or should I say Kit sound) should have its dedicated window where you can edit that note and its parameters on that Measure
Kit tuning, I had to get myself a Korg CA 2 to check if my kits were in tune with the song / accompaniment. Very important for Indian Players (Tabla, Mridangam etc)
- Add a utility where we can check the tuning of the sound.
Remove Other bugs like,
**not all signatures were available in my PSR S when I select new style (Had to choose a style with that measure and customize it)
**Keyboard turns non responsive during step recording etc.