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Yamaha Keyboards (4 Boards) => The Next Yamaha Keyboard => Topic started by: Enildo on November 05, 2020, 09:58:10 AM
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Hello everyone!
The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Enildo
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Hello Enildo, very good points. I would add another three points. continuing the list: 14. possibility of direct sampling on the keyboard. 15. In the "Song Creator" possibility to copy specific bars or measures from one channel to another channel. 16. Replacement of the power adapter by power cord. Best regards. Hans
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Hello Enildo, very good points. I would add another three points. continuing the list: 14. possibility of direct sampling on the keyboard. 15. In the "Song Creator" possibility to copy specific bars or measures from one channel to another channel. 16. Replacement of the power adapter by power cord. Best regards. Hans
Hi Hans!
Thank you for your help, You brought good points!
Enildo
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Interesting points. I want to add another.
17: Add accessibility functions: Since that keyboards now uses touch screens, for a blind (visually impaired) person like me, and also low vision persons, it could be impossible to navigate between the options of the keyboard. For this case I want a screen reading and magnifying functionality to the keyboard to have more access to their settings.
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Interesting points. I want to add another.
17: Add accessibility functions: Since that keyboards now uses touch screens, for a blind (visually impaired) person like me, and also low vision persons, it could be impossible to navigate between the options of the keyboard. For this case I want a screen reading and magnifying functionality to the keyboard to have more access to their settings.
Thanks for the contribution Luís Carlos, you included a super important suggestion,
although yamaha has already put an accessibility program on its SX and Genos lines, but it needs to improve and evolve.
Enildo
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I am very happy with everything apart from aftertouch
I think the SX models are the best PSR's ever produced and the midrange 700 is just the best 'bang for buck' in the arranger/workstation market in my view.
With respect......E models are never going to offer the same spec as SX's in the lineup of PSR's ....They are at a different price point
Keith
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Sustain on all style Parts is a no no... that will cause all kinds of problems I'm sure (that's why it is not possible now).
But I would welcome
A. - An improved noise-free key bed with After Touch
B. - A CASM Editor in Style Creator (but StyleMagic has a good one already along with a good Drum Editor)
C. - An Arpeggiator Editor to create User Arpeggios
D. - Return of the physical Fade In / Fade Out button
Joe H
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Very good point Joe H., I would add as an additional and no less important point 18. or 19, possibility of a piano roll editor, in "Song Creator" and "Style Creator". Hans
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I'd like to add to the list an improved response time on the touchscreen, I've tested the SX900 and it reacts slowly IMO. Also it could be only me and I've said this before, but I would like to bring back the "Ballad" category; currently its mushed in the Pop & Rock, some in Country, others in some other category. I found that I can navigate better without the search function by going to my downloaded T4 styles that I have in a USB and browse via folders, but that's because I'm accustomed to the old UI before the touch and I mentally know where certain styles are based in their page location (muscle memory)... and hey, the SX900 does full voicing of the T4 factory styles, took them 10 years for the trickle down lol :)
/rant
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I find the touch screen as quick as my I pad. No problems at all.
As to styles why not find the ones you use a lot and save then to favourites. Then always easy to find by just pressing Favourite button
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I'd like to add to the list an improved response time on the touchscreen, I've tested the SX900 and it reacts slowly IMO. ...
Hi mixermixer,
you can go to [Menu] > [Utility] > [Touch Screen/Display] and switch off the "Transition Effect" (on page 2/2). This makes the display changes faster.
Best regards,
Chris
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curious if the new SX line allows for MIDI multi-tracking and then looping the results. this is a huge problem w/ the Genos....how these sophisticated instruments lack that basic capability is beyond me.
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I add:
the direct on disk reading instruments and other voices to be used on each track styles
This technology is old. Why will not implement it in 2021?
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Hi Jeff, I'm also looking forward to a major update for my SX900.
For example: in "Song Creator" you can implement more event editing tools such as: piano roll, copy of specific measures from one channel to another, and / or copy by instrument blocks (channels or tracks) with specific measures to other channels or tracks.
possibility of direct data transfer from the keyboard to the computer, and vice versa through the USB HOST port, without the need to install a driver.
for me these tools are essential,
since I like to work musical arrangements from the keyboard without the need for external software.
greetings. Hans
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EXCELLENT! I REALLY LIKE THE CHOICES. Light for harmony and fade in/out control my favorites.
Hack
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Another interesting point for a future update is the implementation of a multitrack audio recorder, with editing functions such as:
overdub, punch, cut, and insert. (The latter for pads, arpeggiators, and effects).
they are just my suggestions. ;)
regards
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You can’t make good multi track recordings without a final mix facility ie able to move volumes on every track in real time as you make a final mix. It’s a really basic function missing from ALL these arrangers. Nobody ever lists it in these “wants” lists, but IMHO it is a really important function that is always missing.
Mike
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Hi Mike, I agree with you.
A good multitrack recorder should carry a good mixer where you can make adjustments such as: volumes, equalizer, effects, panning, and compressor.
We hope that Yamaha will take these suggestions into account either in an upcoming software update, or in future models.
regards
Hans
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That is why a lot of us record in midi first as it allows you to edit before recording to Audio.
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Eileen
It doesn’t let you do a final mix, whether you record to midi or not. Multi track mixing is not an edit technique the keyboard supports. It’s the process you always see sound engineers typically performing as they sit at the big multi track recording desk moving the sliders around in real time to get channel volumes exactly right at every point as they make the final mix.
Of course I can do it by feeding to audacity and using the onboard mixer to control every midi channel volume in real time. But the keyboard is quite capable of making audio recording, so I shouldn’t have to use audacity. You need to be able to do a mix onboard without using external software. It’s no big deal if all you are doing is recording a typical arranger performance, but for sophisticated multi track recording it is essential.
Mike
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If you balance the style and voices before making a multi track recording it will not sound any worse than a quick recording. But I agree, it needs a mixer.
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Toril
That’s not how it works on a multi track. You typically record track at a time, so when you record one track all the others may not yet be recorded. So no matter how good you are, there will still be certain parts where you want to back off some parts, bring others up, fade some sections in, others out etc etc. You always end up making adjustments in real time as you listen to the totality not just to get a good well balanced recording, but to get the whole arrangement to sound the way you want. It’s one of the most important steps in making a complicated multi track arrangement.
Mike
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You just need to use Audacity to mix the tracks ONE at time. You know it is a free program to go download, right?
Once you make your MIDI file of your song on your keyboard, you can then make a WAV of EACH for the tracks parts by itself.
Then import the all those WAV files into Audacity and mix them to your hearts content. With Audacity you can mix each whole track at once OR a small section of each of the tracks in any size.
What you are wanting is already available FREE. ;)
I have thought about doing my song performances that way BUT that would not be what the performance would really sound like using the STYLE out on a gig. That is why I spend hours MIXING the style on my keyboard with my mic vocals at ONE content setting. Then go back and listen to the recordings weeks and months later and ideas for licks and riffs sometimes occur to me to add to the performance.
Regards
Drake
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12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Just a couple tips I use to eliminate these two issues you seem to have listed.
(12 ) That is what a "registration" is used for. It "lights" up when it is ON or OFF.
(13) You can set up registrations as I do to engage the "back up harmony" and then OFF using them. You can use more that ONE registration to perform a song if needed. ;)
If you want to Fade in and out on your song recordings just use Audacity (it’s a free program). But don’t ever use it playing LIVE for crying out loud, end the song like a real band would … TAG the dare thing. 8)
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Drake
I know all about audacity. And of course I can also do this with digital multi track recorders and mixers, all of which I have done in the past. There are plenty of alternative ways to skin the cat. I just believe the keyboard should have this function. It has nearly everything you need to do quite sophisticated multi track midi recording on board - except a mixing facility. This seems a basic need to me. I had this discussion with a Yamaha keyboard tech and he agreed it was something they need to address.
And cost or free is not a driver for quite a lot of people. Convenience is. I have a CVP, which is a very neat self contained piece of furniture that sits well in a nice room. I have no need or desire to have that littered with wires running everywhere, computers and other hardware.
Mike
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Hi Mike, I agree with you.
Perhaps the other colleagues do not understand the complexity of an orchestral composition with voices included.
For example, in addition to making all the necessary MIDI adjustments, such as: control changes for certain parts of the song (volume, modulation, sustain, effects) to make it sound as dynamic as possible (including the ability to play difficult passages with sounds that have articulation) multitrack audio recording is also needed, for the following reasons.
1. make the final mix. this includes: volume, external effects, external equalization, external compression, normalization and mastering.
2. If in addition to the MIDI arrangement, external instruments are required (guitars, violins, brass, external synthesizer) and also male and female singers each singing their soloist part and then en bloc (3,4, or 6 voices)
then a multi-channel mixer / recorder keyboard with a minimum of 16 tracks is required with the functions described above, in addition to automation, and scene recording.
With such a keyboard, you don't need external software to record your best arrangement, no matter how complex.
this is just my opinion.
regards
Hans
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Well, have Yamaha stick that sort of thing on the Genos line but not on the SX series of keyboards.
I don't want to pay extra for something that is free already. ;D
Regards
Drake
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Drake - don’t worry, Yamaha will recover all the software development costs from CVP and Genos buyers. Then they can throw it in the next model down a couple of years later at almost no cost. That’s their normal modus operandi. LOL.
Mike
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Alright, now that works for me. ;)
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Hello everyone!
The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Enildo
I continue with my 13 wishes, + the Piano hall and MultTrack Editor suggested by Hans.
Drake, I already use VH with the registers, but it would be very important that when it is activated, it shows on the led panel as "ON" and deactivated as "OFF".
This would be resolved in the current SX900, with just a software update.
Maybe Yamaha will put some of those wishes in the SX910!
Regards,
Enildo
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Drake - don’t worry, Yamaha will recover all the software development costs from CVP and Genos buyers. Then they can throw it in the next model down a couple of years later at almost no cost. That’s their normal modus operandi. LOL.
Mike
We Genos players don't want to pay extra for something that is free elsewhere, either.
Cheers,
Fred
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Ladies and gentlemen!
All of these technologies will be silly things in the near future.
Without this "I don't want to pay more" for this or that, if you don't have any of this, you will pay more anyway.
Regardless of what resources we will or will not pay the most.
More imagine our current keyboards, with all these technologies at our disposal, and imagine if we were still with the PSR 510,
from the 90s, and companies were not going to implement any extra resources because we would pay more for them ...
All of this will come, whether in the next model or in future models, and we will always pay more, as it is the logic of the market.
Until today I never paid cheaper when I changed equipment.
All of these wishes will be silly things in the future, and future generations will continue to demand new things
and all of this will be implemented by companies like Yamaha, Korg, Roland, etc ...
Perhaps in our backward minds today, it doesn't make sense that an "A" or "B" feature is available directly on our keyboards.
Here comes the questions: "But what am I going to need this for?" "And why would anyone pay more for it, if a computer program already exists?"
The logic of the future is called "practicality". In the past I needed 10 electronic devices and used large and heavy speakers,
today I only use the keyboard and 1 or 2 portable speakers weighing less than 20 kg.
The future does not stop, whether you like it or not.
Enildo
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Predicting what people will value in the future is almost impossible. Many years ago Bell Telephone company, at the time the largest communication company in the world, hired a firm of top consultants to investigate whether they should enter the mobile phone market. After spending several million dollars on market research the consultants advised Bell that mobile phones only had value to a relatively small group of people and that it was a small niche not worth their attention.
Mike
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Hey everyone!
The things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
1.The ability to create MegaVoices and Super Articulation voices
2.More powerful style creator with an easy to use interface
3.More drum and percussion voices with better quality
4.CFX and C7 piano samples (with a lot of layers not only 3 or 4)
5.Improved Score display function (now the score display doesn’t show you things like sustain pedal)
6.Aftertouch
7.HDMI video output.
8.New Vocal Harmony with more presets to choose from
9.More demo songs to showcase the new voices, styles and features
10.A better Megaenhancer software built in to the keyboard.
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I just want a keyboard that is easy to sit and play, with a large screen, and a file system that highlight the folder you are in and a quick way to navigate between files. A tilted screen would be nice! And I want Yamaha to make it easy to switch styles between keyboards without all the tweaking and voice changes we have to do.
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My wishes to next psr:
1.Song Syncro Start Off/On realy neded for all players who use MIDI songs and style together for play. At this moment on SX-900 is almost perfect ,just need a little to complete that functions:
MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.
2. More expansion room,,2GB or more....
3.SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:
Since Yamaha rise song to 3MB now we need more "SONG POSITIONS markers"
It would be nice if Yamaha make in SX? a minimum 8 or even better 12 of SONG POSITIONS markers:
4. NOTE SHIFT on board.
5.MIDI DRUM EDITOR so we have same as on style drum editor.
6. Posability to create custom voices and custom drums from Internal/External samples
7. SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS: possibility to call positions trough registrations will be very useful
8. Song PART (VOICE/DRUM KIT) and VOLUME change for each MIDI Chanel possibility to memorize (REGISTRATIONS MEMORY) and call when need. Same as style parts! This will be a very helpful!
Regards!
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Maybe I am out of line here, but what I would really appreciate is an easy/natural way to adjust tempo in real time when playing live:
I would like to be able to "slow down" the tempo at certain moments and quickly return to the original. Also a way to gradually increase tempo for other pieces.
I have tried using an expression pedal assigned to tempo, but it was really hit and miss. Maybe users had success with this or a rotary knob ...
I hope this is just something I missed in the exploration of my SX900 features, and I am ready to stand corrected if a method exists already.
Regards,
Thierry
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If you set a pedal to tap in the beat, then you can easily reset the tempo in real time with a foot tap. Actually it takes two taps to set the new tempo. But one thing to also be aware of is that often styles only sound good within certain tempo limits. Try slowing a style way down and you will see what I mean.
Mike
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My main ask is for an expansion system that is easy, I’ve given up on the present one.
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On the top of my list, is a VST connection plugin similar to the one available for the MODX, for integration with Cubase and other DAWs
It was always a bit of pain to get Genos play nice with Cubase, but this plugin have save me a lot of headache.
Every changes made on the Keyboard will be transferred to Cubase and recalled once you open the project in Cubase again.
Oh, and Soundmondo integration would be nice too ;D https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/ (https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/)
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My main ask is for an expansion system that is easy, I’ve given up on the present one.
Hi Georgeandmarj,
basically, the current YEM system is very easy to use. In the meantime, Yamaha has eliminated a lot of previous bugs / "teething problems". So if you have installed the latest Firmware on your keyboard, are using the latest YEM version and, ideally, have also read the relevant manuals, everything should work.
I've looked at 80 of your previous posts (back to 2018), but didn't find any questions about YEM (Yamaha Expansion Manager) among them. Just start a new thread and ask all questions about the points where you get stuck with YEM or when installing Expansion Packs on your keyboard. Here in the forum you will for sure get help! :)
Best regards,
Chris
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Hello forum!
I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.
Enildo
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Enildo, I agree fully!!!
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Hello forum!
I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.
Enildo
Hello Enildo, very good points.
Let's wait to see what features Yamaha add to the new model.
regards
Hans
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Hi Enildo,
As I saw that the Yamaha PSR-A5000 was recently released, will there be accessibility support? Most probably the sx series has it so it will be applied to the new A5000, although I'm not shure.
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Hi Enildo,
As I saw that the Yamaha PSR-A5000 was recently released, will there be accessibility support? Most probably the sx series has it so it will be applied to the new A5000, although I'm not shure.
Olá Luis Carlos
I believe that all new models from the SX and Genos lines will have accessibility support.
Enildo
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Also believe that. This could be an interesting topic to discuss.
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Hi luiscarlos2000,
the term "voice guide" is mentioned in the A5000 Reference Manual more than 20 times.
So this model definitely has this function (like SX900/700 and Genos). The only thing is that the Voice Guide file is not yet available for download.
Best regards,
Chris
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Thanks for the answer Chriss. I understand it correctly: Voice guide is implemented, however the file is not yet available to download. Only waiting is our best option.
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I wish Yamaha implement trough next OS and YEM update to SX-series keyboards " Special features" in YEM same as "Genos/Tyros5" have.
Yamaha Expansion manager owners manual page 24.
I really don't like compare Yamaha to others ,,,well all KORG PA series starting from PA-80 20 years ago have that options.
It's really shame the new SX-series can't do this.
Believe Yamaha will update this option to SX keyboards.
Best regards!
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What I would like to see is:
All Live control parameters can be assigned to foot pedal.
Sysex messages available for ALL arpeggio parameters in the Data List book.
Joe H
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Good thinking. I have a few things I'd like to add:
19. Revo!Drums/SFX: The A5000 has 20 Revo SFX, while the Genos has 10 Revo Drums and SFX, and the SX900 has none. The SX900 only has the drums and PopPercKit without wave cycling and all the technology that the Revo!Drums/SFX have on the Genos/A5000.
20. voices: The PSR-SX600 has voices that are not on the PSR-SX700, 900, or Genos (not that I'd definitely use all of them, but still). Here are a few examples:
CavacoLegato 8 35 24 S.Art!
CavacoStrum 8 37 24 S.Art!
ViolaCaipiraLegato 8 32 15 S.Art!
ViolaCaipiraStrum 8 34 15 S.Art!
I understand that the keyboards may increase in price with these changes, but they'd make the flagship keyboard (and the PSR models) even better.
Edit: Turns out that the voices I listed earlier are in an expansion pack for the SX700, 900, and Genos. Only 19 still applies.
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I would add voice command search
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Hello everyone!
The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Enildo
sx 900 and psr s 975 all operating battens are rubbered it have change to plastic battens then it will be better like genos butens it will be long lasting cost we can bare
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Hello forum!
I don't know about you, but I liked the color of the PSR A5000's panel, the buttons became more prominent and improves the visualization and location of the buttons.
I would like it to be the same color in the bottom area as well (in the styles, registers and multpads controls).
In my humble opinion it would be a good change. I hope yamaha will worry about that in the next model.
Enildo
only color is changes is not ok. if style operating buttons and other buttons must have to change to plastic it will be better. its in genos keyboard, if sx series have same type buttons Yamaha co can cost little more for it, its long life, and user friendly.. clifford leo dsouza,
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ALSO Stating things that I DO NOT want
- Vocal harmony
- Touch Displays
- YEM and everything related to it. OR integrate this into the keyboard, Packs should be installable from within the keyboard.
- Demonstration songs (Please put those in the website)
- Music Finder stuffs
- OTS
- MIDI in / out / thru jacks (Please make those USB based)
I don't think arranger keyboards are for you.
Cheers,
Fred
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My wishlist for the next PSR keyboard ...
Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation)
IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want. More complicated keyboards are already out there, but not what typical arranger buyers choose. They want want simple, easy play, good sound. We see this kind of sentiment quite often because the “power users” tend to be more demanding, more vocal….but they do not represent the majority buyer, so hopefully Yamaha see this in the proper context.
Mike
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Should be a Hybrid (Arranger + Synthesizer workstation)
IMHO this is almost exactly what the majority of arranger buyers would NOT want.
Mike
Hi Mike --
I get what you're saying. However, there may be a way to implement synth-like voice editing without complicating the existing arranger interface. I'm thinking about a single button in the voice edit menu which opens a door to the synth parameters that are currently hidden from users. To keep development cost low, table/textual editing would be enough -- no need for graphical dials, etc.
The older Tyros series had keyboard-resident voice editing (Voice Creator) which they removed in order to simplify. Then, they had to scramble to implement voice editing in YEM -- and doing only a half-way job of it.
Not to start a Yamaha vs. Korg discussion, but the Korg arrangers do have deeper voice editing. Does Yamaha want to compete in that area or lose so-called power users to Korg?
Personally, I'm not letting Yamaha off the hook -- pj
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I totally agree with you Pjd.
It would be good if Yamaha implemented some voice editing parameters such as: Oscillators, with their AMP, and respective PITCH (Can be Osc1, Osc2) EG (Envelope Generators), LFO (Low Frequency Oscillator) LFO1, LFO2
Crossfade, to create nice transitions between various layers of sound.
All this plus what comes from the factory in the SX series, and Genos which is: Cut, Release, Attack, Decay.
These are just my two cents
Greetings
Hans
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Hi Mike --
I get what you're saying. However, there may be a way to implement synth-like voice editing without complicating the existing arranger interface. I'm thinking about a single button in the voice edit menu which opens a door to the synth parameters that are currently hidden from users. To keep development cost low, table/textual editing would be enough -- no need for graphical dials, etc.
The older Tyros series had keyboard-resident voice editing (Voice Creator) which they removed in order to simplify. Then, they had to scramble to implement voice editing in YEM -- and doing only a half-way job of it.
Not to start a Yamaha vs. Korg discussion, but the Korg arrangers do have deeper voice editing. Does Yamaha want to compete in that area or lose so-called power users to Korg?
Personally, I'm not letting Yamaha off the hook -- pj
There's no voice editor? I mean, I can still use the voice edit function (on all the current touchscreen models), change ADSR via the "Sound" submenu of voice edit... that seems to be the same as on my CVP309 and PSRs970? Or was it deeper on the non-touchscreen Yamahas?
Just checked our T4, and you're right... I didn't even notice the "Voice Edit via PC" and "Custom Voice Assembly"! How does the latter work? Can I trigger different voices at different velocities? were these custom voices exportable to other boards?
Mark
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Pretty much all the keyboards have fairly extensive editing of voices, and some have sampling. My comments referred to much more than this -- the poster wanted the arranger to become a hybrid of an arranger and a workstation. I see that as overkill for most arranger players. The E series is a simpler option, and pretty good, but it is a lower quality /much lower cost keyboard than the Genos or other TOTL arrangers, and aimed at avery different market.
Mike
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Hello everyone!
I checked psr s 670 bottens operating all are plastic type it's very good quality same I saw in genos but sx900 all rubber type see photo psr s 670
The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Enildo
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Hello everyone!
The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Enildo
i,m not telling about voice playing key,s
i,m telling about push buttons. styles operating and other all buttons quality is in psr sx 900 was rubbered. but in psr s 670 it's very good quality not like sx900.. its made by plastic
So next sx model buttons should make good quality and in display memory bank place should come to right side and it should be little more space to touch now it was left upper side small to touch only with finger tipp, also same problem for midi and audio to tuch space was less.. to be noted what i,m telling about it.
To touch need easy way.. touch screen is good
clifford leo dsouza sx 900 user..
i installed 11 expansion packs created in yep. soft.. nicely
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Hello everyone on the Forum!
I was looking at my SX900's display layout, and some feature and function shortcuts, which are available,
have very small sizes, others, like the voices, have very large sizes, taking up a lot of space.
It would be interesting if we could customize shortcuts, functions and the sizes of our main display.
Or that at least Yamaha would give us some options, pre-programmed to choose from, closer to our desires.
Health and a great 2023 for all!
Enildo
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Having just owned, and sold the latest E473, I wish Yamaha would stop putting headphone sockets on the back of their keyboards.
Having the lead coming from the back, under the keyboard is just plain stupid.
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Hi all ! Newbie late to the party here. I’m not a pro but do occasional gigs for private parties and senior homes. My regular keyboards are a SX700 and a Korg ek50. I like the light weight of the ek50 but it can’t play the free downloaded styles from psr tutorial and it doesn’t have a touchscreen.
The weight (25 lbs) of the sx700 is becoming more of a burden to carry it around and I seriously contemplated on getting a e473 but held off because of the display issues. I’m hoping Yamaha will shred a few pounds (about the same weight 16lbs as the ek50) from the next new keyboard and keep all the other good qualities of the sx700.
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Hi all ! Newbie late to the party here. I’m not a pro but do occasional gigs for private parties and senior homes. My regular keyboards are a SX700 and a Korg ek50. I like the light weight of the ek50 but it can’t play the free downloaded styles from psr tutorial and it doesn’t have a touchscreen.
The weight (25 lbs) of the sx700 is becoming more of a burden to carry it around and I seriously contemplated on getting a e473 but held off because of the display issues. I’m hoping Yamaha will shred a few pounds (about the same weight 16lbs as the ek50) from the next new keyboard and keep all the other good qualities of the sx700.
Welcome to the PSR Tutorial Forum, Keystar!
I advise you NOT to go for a PSR-E model. Compared to PSR-SX or PSR-S, PSR-E models are very cumbersome to use. You would probably be very disappointed.
I wouldn't recommend an SX600 either if you already have an SX700. The SX600 is also much more awkward to use than the SX700. But IF you absolutely need a lighter weight instrument, go for the SX600 rather than a PSR-E model.
Best regards,
Chris
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Thank you Chris. My aging back is urging me to shred as much weight as possible on the equipment (keys, stand, and pa etc.) that I have to carry.
I have looked at the Medeli akx10 which is about 19lbs. Not a whole lot lighter than the 25lb sx700 and I have read conflicting reviews on it’s quality. I’m also not sure if it can play the free styles that I have downloaded from psr tutorial to a usb stick. Any thoughts ? Thanks.
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hi Keystar,
From info I have, is Medeli almost 21lb. I know that every lb counts, but I doubt you'd notice much difference between Medeli and SX700 (when transporting all needed stuff). Other than that, I think Medeli is a good keyboard for the price -is actually the same as SX700 (much better than E473). But keep in mind, that styles are not interchangeable with Yamaha styles. I have read that Yamaha styles can be converted for Medeli, but that might not be an easy task! But then SX700 styles are not compatible with E473 either.
If there would only be weight and performance, then I would pick PSR-SX600 (18lb), which can use SX700 styles -the only problem would be small display.
Bogdan
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Hi Keystar
I curently own a PSR-SX700.
I have also owned a PSR-E473.
Whilst not knocking the E473, i would forget it as a performers keyboard, unless you are using it as a sort of synth keyboard to complement your SX700. But then you'd have 2 keyboards to carry... >:(
The E473 is a new model but it didn't inspire me at all. Having got it out of the box, it feels cheap, the keys are awful, and I wouldn't give much for its chances if you were carting it around from performance to performance, because it's very, how can I put this.....toy feel rather than instrument feel. The build is lightweight, but so is the general feel. The price reflects a lot of features, but at the cost of feel.....difficult to explain.
You can only load 10 styles into it too. So although it has quite a decent selection on board, it's still very very definitely nowhere near the SX700. I think you would be disappointed. Best bet if you are able is to find a dealer who will let you see and play the E473.
The touch screen on the SX700 is fabulous. The non touch screen on the E473 is SO ridiculously small for what it does, and was the main reason I sold it on. I sold it within a month of buying it. Fortunately at not much of a loss. Just not impressed with it at all. I think Yamaha have dropped the ball with this one.
Hope this helps you make a decision.
Yes, it's lighter, but it's missing SO SO much compared with your SX700.
Have you maybe considered getting a strong wheeled case for your SX700? That way you don't physically have to carry it.
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The PSR E series is a toy category, I see the E series as something to get your feet wet in if you are curious about learning the piano/keyboard, not as a serious performance instrument. Keep the SX700, if you do demo the E series, you'll be glad you kept the SX700.
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Thank you everyone for the valuable feedback, much appreciated.
I agree that e473 feels cheap comparing to sx700. As for playing styles, I was able to play the styles that are meant for other Yamaha models on the sx700 so I assume that same can be played on the e473 ?
As for the Medeli, not being able to play the Yamaha styles without conversion is a deal breaker. The same drawback for the Korg EK50 that I like a lot. That and the lack of a touchscreen limit it’s usefulness for my needs. All things considered the sx700 is the best for me right now. With modern technology I’m sure they can make a lighter version without many compromises if they think there’s a market for it.
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As for playing styles, I was able to play the styles that are meant for other Yamaha models on the sx700 so I assume that same can be played on the e473 ?
Sorry for being so direct, but No.
Any model E-series is a step backward from SX700. I have owned and played both E443 and S950. You will definitely regret leaving the mid-range for an entry-level arranger, no matter the weight.
E473 supports SFF (version 1) styles. SX700 supports SFF GE (version 2) styles. You can not simply load an SFF2 style on an SFF (version 1) keyboard. The style file must be converted and depending upon your computer expertise, conversion will be a pain and important features will be lost. The specification tables in the respective Owner's Manuals are clear about style compatibility.
Sorry to sound so negative, but I would hate to see you make a decision that you will eventually regret.
All the best -- pj
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Hi all ! Newbie late to the party here. I’m not a pro but do occasional gigs for private parties and senior homes. My regular keyboards are a SX700 and a Korg ek50. I like the light weight of the ek50 but it can’t play the free downloaded styles from psr tutorial and it doesn’t have a touchscreen.
The weight (25 lbs) of the sx700 is becoming more of a burden to carry it around and I seriously contemplated on getting a e473 but held off because of the display issues. I’m hoping Yamaha will shred a few pounds (about the same weight 16lbs as the ek50) from the next new keyboard and keep all the other good qualities of the sx700.
Hello friend!
I don't think you need to change your keyboard, but buy a transport cart to carry your things.
Enildo
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That;s Good points. Another thing i do is keep the psr sx700 as my main keyboard and a psr e as a second hand for travel.
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Interesting points. I want to add another.
17: Add accessibility functions: Since that keyboards now uses touch screens, for a blind (visually impaired) person like me, and also low vision persons, it could be impossible to navigate between the options of the keyboard. For this case I want a screen reading and magnifying functionality to the keyboard to have more access to their settings.
Hi Luis and others!
Even the great Stevie Wonder once said that if an instrument isn’t good for a blind musician, then it isn’t good for any musician.
Accessibility should not be a ‘feature’ but rather a concept that is at the heart of the product. With a programmable and highly customizable device like a Yamaha arranger keyboard, the concept should be relatively easy to implement.
If I may be so bold, my suggestion to Yamaha would be to allow for connection of an external touchscreen monitor. We live in a day and age where a 24-inch or other decently sized touchscreen monitor can be had for not much money and for a visually impaired musician, this could serve as an integral and essential part of the instrument.
Currently, to the best of my knowledge, one can only connect ‘a monitor’ that simply mirrors the image of the display on the instrument. That’s fine for karaoke and sing-alongs, of course, but hardly any help to a visually impaired musician. Imagine this – you hook up an external monitor to the instrument because the fonts are simply too tiny for you to comfortably read. First, you have to look at the external monitor to see what it says, then observe the ‘location’ of where it says it, then turn to the display on the instrument and try to find the same location (more or less by guessing, because the screens are of different dimensions) and then hope you’ve pressed the correct touch zone. Quite a process, isn’t it? All of this can be avoided if the external monitor is touchscreen. Remember, visually impaired does not mean blind, as there are various degrees of disability and in many cases, a feature like this would be a great help to the musician.
Now, Yamaha is a big corporation and I have no doubt it is in their interest to care, even nurture, society and so, it would not be difficult for them to establish a relationship with experts in the field, as well as musicians, who would be able to give a unique perspective on the matter. I guarantee it would be much appreciated by many. I bet some would find it tremendously rewarding and the single most important feature on which to base their decision on.
Honestly, I think all of us need to be reminded about the needs of the underprivileged sometimes. I hope no one thinks less of me for speaking my mind.
Best wishes,
Antun
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I'd like
1) Dedicated Talk On/Off button.
2) Dedicated Vocal Harmonizer On/Off button.
3) More assignable knobs.
4) Better vocal harmonizer technology.
5) Save As - not just Save function.
6) Expansion packs that are based on popular genres of music - not just nationalities.
7) Most importantly, since I use my SX900 to record, a MIDI plugin that can be used with any DAW to edit voices and effects.
Thanks for the topic!
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The SX600 is also much more awkward to use than the SX700.
I would say the SX700 is more awkward than the SX600 because of the touch screen. I have to use Voice Guide to really do anything, but when I use my audio interface to record things on the keyboard, it picks up Voice Guide. The SX600 has mostly the older voices, which is why I don't recommend it normally. If you want a lighter keyboard than the SX700, the SX600 is still the way to go, but the SX700 has better sounds.
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Just have Yamaha put the "Music Finder" program BACK on the keyboard. They gave users the program and I use the darn thing. Just put it BACK on the keyboard.
I actually use it and the registration is not same thing by a long shot.
The Music Finder uses 21 characters which allows me to put in Code in the NAME of Song for the KEY.
It ties to the style and has a place noting the Set folder the style is in. I use to find my sheet music.
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I would say the SX700 is more awkward than the SX600 because of the touch screen. I have to use Voice Guide to really do anything, but when I use my audio interface to record things on the keyboard, it picks up Voice Guide. ...
Hi DJIcendration,
You can set the Voice Guide on the SX700 so that it is only output through the internal speakers. To do this, switch from "On" to "Speaker Only" in "Menu > Utility > System > page 2/2 > Voice Guide Sound":
Quote from SX700 Reference Manual, page 131:
Voice Guide Sound: Determines where the Voice Guide Sound is output.
• On: The sound is output to the speakers, headphones, and the MAIN OUTPUT jacks.
• Speaker Only: The sound is output only to the speakers.
Hope this helps!
Best regards,
Chris
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Just have Yamaha put the "Music Finder" program BACK on the keyboard. They gave users the program and I use the darn thing. Just put it BACK on the keyboard.
I actually use it and the registration is not same thing by a long shot.
The Music Finder uses 21 characters which allows me to put in Code in the NAME of Song for the KEY.
It ties to the style and has a place noting the Set folder the style is in. I use to find my sheet music.
I never used the music finder program because it does not save transpose.....
as a singer it is needed, the korg songbook saves everything sty, mid, txt, wav,,
and is a very powerful live feature.. genos imo needs a setlist upgrade also to show all single songs without folders etc... ::)
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I never used the music finder program because it does not save transpose.....
as a singer it is needed, the korg songbook saves everything sty, mid, txt, wav,,
and is a very powerful live feature.. genos imo needs a setlist upgrade also to show all single songs without folders etc... ::)
Yes absolutely this. If anything Korg have improved the songbook even further on the Pa5x as it now has extra options and the layout is slicker. There is no reason why Yamaha couldn’t do this as well and I hope something similar is on their next arranger.
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Well for me the Play Lists are a vast improvement over Music Finder and much more useful.
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I never used the music finder program because it does not save transpose.....
as a singer it is needed, the korg songbook saves everything sty, mid, txt, wav,,
and is a very powerful live feature.. genos imo needs a setlist upgrade also to show all single songs without folders etc... ::)
I transpose just about every song I as I only play in the key of "C" on the keyboard.
I do note the key I need to transpose to easily by using the Music Finder.
I place the song's name and follow it by the key I sing it in as follows:
RingOfFire-3
FolsomPrison+6
Crazy+3
BurninLove+0
The number tells me the number of times to hit the +/- transpose buttons. Simple and quick, nothing to have to figure out in my head.
But the more important issue is I use the MF to quickly find my sheet music (over 400 songs now) with the code I store in the KEYWORD section of the MF software.
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LARGE TILT UP DISPLAY
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Well, the main thing for me would be improved voice guide, since I am also blind.
But aside from that, isn't it time to upgrade the sound effects? There are some GM sound effects, but last time I checked, they sounded no better than those on the PSR-E series. There are also several instruments where no S.Art or S.Art2 voice is available. Banjo, accordions, bandoneon, solo cello, viola and contrabass, pan flutes, ocarinas and recorders, melodica... we may also need more drum kits, some realistic ones in diverse genres, perhaps updated brush stroke things. Some of the drum kits are a bit too clean. What if I want to play some old pop thing? Also, 1000 more jazz styles, particularly orchestral jazz like some of those new ones on the Genos 2, as well as latin jazz. And how about sidechaining for the kick in the dance styles? Improved Vocoder that sounds more like a TalkBox, and so on. Oh yes, also more free styles, HipHop styles and DJ styles. A drum n bass DJ style would be nice.
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Hello everyone!
The 13 things I wanted on the next PSR yamaha keyboard:
01. Recording style tracks with the sustain pedal
02. Saving custom Drum Setup Kits
03. CASM section in Style Creator
04. Lyrics / Text in .PDF or .Doc format with colorful letters
05. Half Bar Fill physical button without the need to use Assignable buttons, freeing them for other uses.
06. The return of the physical Fade in / out button
07. The return of the video output (preferably HDMI) without the need for adapters
08. 04 buttons (knobs) Live Control
09. In the "Speaker" function, in addition to the "Headphone Switch, On and Off selections," the "Internal speakers only" function. In this case, they would cut all the keyboard outputs
10. The possibility of recording S.Art voices on MultiPads
11. Editable Arpeggio function
12. Vocal Harmony On / Off indicator light on the panel
13. Two microphone inputs with independent Mic Setting / Vocal Harmony controls
Enildo
See that my item "07" (HDMI) was serviced by Yamaha on the G2!
Hopefully it will also be part of the SX1000! lol
Enildo
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DJIncendration, I agree that the SX600 is a better choice for us. You say you only get the older voices. Then why not buy a PSR-S975 or an S970? Wouldn't that have more of the newer voices? The problem with the SX600 is that the styles aren't organized as well and sometimes seem to be in a random order. For example, the HipHop styles are all over the place.
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... The problem with the SX600 is that the styles aren't organized as well and sometimes seem to be in a random order. For example, the HipHop styles are all over the place.
Hi Theodor,
You can copy the Preset styles at any time (preferably onto a USB stick, because the SX600's internal User drive is only 20 MB in size and is also required for the styles of the installed expansion packs).
Either put all the styles into one folder to have them available in alphabetical order, or sort the styles into several folders, for example by style category. If necessary, you can of course also rename the styles or use a character like “_” or “!” at the beginning of the filename to bring individual styles to the top of the list.
Best regards,
Chris
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I think tilted display and Mic volume knob should be standard on all PSR-SX models.