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Title: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: voodoo on January 12, 2020, 10:24:43 AM
Look at this video

  https://youtu.be/u_4D00qRoSs

It seems a Chinese company has released a PSR-SX clone that easily outperforms the PSR-S670 with lots of features of the SX900

  http://www.medeli.com.hk/x10

It has 7” touch screen, three right parts, USB audio (!) and midi, Bluetooth audio and midi (!), and much more, and all this for $800.

Of course it will not sound as good as a PRS-SX. But it shows, which features a low priced keyboard could have.

I think Yamaha is in charge to facelift the outdated PSR-S670 now. ;)

Uli
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: SeaGtGruff on January 12, 2020, 10:49:17 AM
I don't know if this can be called a "PSR-SX600 clone" when there is no PSR-SX600 in the first place. ;)

But it certainly looks very, very interesting!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Enildo on January 12, 2020, 11:36:04 AM
I think yamaha will have to give an answer.

MEDELI AKX10:
* KEYBOARD 61 keys (touch response)
* DISPLAY 7 ”touch screen
* MAX POLYPHONY 256
* VOICE 1100 + 256 GM2 + 512 users
* STYLE 280 + 512 users
* SONG DEMO 3
* MUSIC LIBRARY 90 songs • Album (50 + 512 users)
* 2 x 15 watt AMPLIFIER • 2 x 25 watt
* SPEAKER 2 x 12 cm • 2 x 3 cm
* Touch screen;
* L + R1 + R2 + R3;
* PERFORMANCE MEMORY 8 x 512 banks;
* AUDIO PLAYBACK MP3 • WAV • AAC (Vocal Remove);
* Joystick PITCHBEND Yes MODULATION Yes PITCH ADJUSTMENT Transpose;
* Bluetooth audio;
* Bluetooth MIDI;
* 4 phrase Pads × 180 banks INTERACTION & EXPANSION Bluetooth;
* USB-Audio;
* Internal storage (256MB sample expansion)
* EXTERNAL USB DRIVE (128G max);
* 3 vocoder;
* 3 vocal harmony;
* MASTER EQ 5 + 10 users MIXER;
* And more...

Of course it's not a clone of the SX600, because it doesn't even exist I think, but it will fill the vacuum that yamaha left with the absence of the s670's successor. It is a slice of the market that yamaha left waiting and gave no satisfaction.

Enildo
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Enildo on January 12, 2020, 11:41:04 AM
Price seems to be compatible with S670

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Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tomsixtwo on January 12, 2020, 12:04:02 PM
I think yamaha will have to give an answer.

I don't think so, at least not soon and not in form of an PSR-S670 successor. Because some of the Medeli's specs are better than the specs of the PSR-SX900, e. g. polyphony, USB Audio etc.

But, as we all know: Pure specs are not the whole story :)

Early video demo with an prototype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXApifudRYU
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: SeaGtGruff on January 12, 2020, 12:27:07 PM
some of the Medeli's specs are better than the specs of the PSR-SX900

Which is another reason this isn't a "clone" of a PSR-SX model. :)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: panos on January 12, 2020, 12:30:58 PM
I have watched also the other video with the keyboardist playing the AKX10
This is how the acoustic guitar sounds on s670 for an example (without birds singing while playing a guitar sound)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3BNd2elrsg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3BNd2elrsg)

Nice features,beautiful keyboard but how about the sound of it?



Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: ppkeyboard on January 12, 2020, 12:37:35 PM
Will Yamaha (song)styles work on this instrument?
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tomsixtwo on January 12, 2020, 12:38:21 PM
At the NAMM in 2019 I had hoped for a successor to the PSR-S670 and was deeply disappointed. Therefore I have no expectations this year  ;)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: SeaGtGruff on January 12, 2020, 12:42:38 PM
It's doubtful that Yamaha style files will work with the Medeli brand, but they can probably be converted if you know what style file structure Medeli uses.

As for NAMM, there's only a few more days before we find out what everyone (Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Casio, etc.) is presenting at NAMM. :)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: pquenin on January 14, 2020, 07:57:10 PM
This Medeli AKX10 is beautiful and sounds good (more like a PSR-E463 than a PSR-Sxxx), but I'm waiting to have more informations about the buid quality. A great instrument can be ruined by a bad keybed (I have experienced this with the Casio MZ-X300). Here in France, the price of the Medeli AKX10 is 730€ and is way more expensive than a PSR-S670 that is 550€. And I'm sure that the S670 sounds better. But if the build quality of the Medeli is good and the price falls to 600€, maybe I will go for it. I still have my PSR-S670 and it's a great instrument, you can do a lot with it, but I can't stand it's look.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tomsixtwo on January 14, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
Regarding to the details in the manual (http://www.mecldata.com/download/manual/AKX10_OM05_EN_190816.pdf), it seems to be not really a strong competition for the PSR-SX models. Featurewise it seems to be more a "modern" alternative to the PSR-S670.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: panos on January 14, 2020, 09:31:52 PM
I still have my PSR-S670 and it's a great instrument, you can do a lot with it, but I can't stand it's look.
;D ;D ;D

I think companies like Medeli are focusing more on markets and big countries where the wages are lower than USA/Canada,northern Europe,Japan etc.

Competition is always good anyway.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DerekA on January 15, 2020, 08:30:25 PM
Does this thing actually have any original features, or have they just copied every single idea from Yamaha ???!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Misu on January 16, 2020, 10:12:45 AM
Does this thing actually have any original features, or have they just copied every single idea from Yamaha ???!

Compare with SX-700 yes have:
* MAX POLYPHONY 256
* AUDIO PLAYBACK  AAC
* Bluetooth audio;
* Bluetooth MIDI;
* 3 vocoder;
* 3 vocal harmony;
and maybe more....
Regards
Mihai
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DerekA on January 16, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
I didn't mean compared to SX700, I meant compared to Yamaha models in general. There doesn't seem to be a single original idea in it.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: SeaGtGruff on January 16, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
Which features were copied from Yamaha, as opposed to, say, Roland or Korg?
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Aquilauno on January 16, 2020, 05:38:13 PM
I repeat something already expressed in another post for this new keyboard ... At what level is Medeli assistance compared to Yamaha? (especially in case of problems or possible malfunctions) is it reliable or is it a leap in the dark?
In the price of a product of this kind, the level of guaranteed assistance must also be considered. Do you agree?
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: hans1966 on January 16, 2020, 05:57:05 PM
My concept is that Yamaha is a great company with many years of experience in the market and every product that lansa has been fully tested by sound engineers and professional musicians who are the ones that give the approval, in addition to the guarantee for failure or defect of manufacturing. As for Medeli, I think it is a good company, which is just growing, but it is far from being a competition for Yamaha. regards. Hans
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Aquilauno on January 16, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
I agree Hans, currently we can count on Yamaha enthusiasts ready to share experiences, solve problems, learn to use well-tested and widespread keyboards, I wish Medeli to improve and grow more and more, also because the competition helps the consumers, but the road it is long and arduous ...
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Galvanizd on December 14, 2020, 12:06:11 AM
Came on this one today and had to smile.  Some of you must be psychic.  I just received my Yamaha PSR SX 600 yesterday.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DJIncendration on April 06, 2021, 07:04:10 PM
I don't know if this can be called a "PSR-SX600 clone" when there is no PSR-SX600 in the first place. ;)

But it certainly looks very, very interesting!
Yes, there is. I wish that it had some of the features that the AKX10 has, plus drums like the Revo drums of the 900, but it is what it is, and the sounds are really good on both keyboards.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: janamdo on April 07, 2021, 06:03:45 PM
The PSR 600 has the same midi specification as his very big brother  GENOS
So you could record styles in Cakewalk sequenzer and there is mobil sheets pro for a songbook for PSR 600
I am also a owner of SX600
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Joe H on April 08, 2021, 03:35:24 PM
Look at this video

  https://youtu.be/u_4D00qRoSs

It seems a Chinese company has released a PSR-SX clone that easily outperforms the PSR-S670 with lots of features of the SX900

  http://www.medeli.com.hk/x10

It has 7” touch screen, three right parts, USB audio (!) and midi, Bluetooth audio and midi (!), and much more, and all this for $800.

Of course it will not sound as good as a PRS-SX. But it shows, which features a low priced keyboard could have.

I think Yamaha is in charge to facelift the outdated PSR-S670 now. ;)

Uli

Has Jeremy done an update on the Medeli AKX10 keyboard since that video was produced 15 months ago?

Joe H
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: SeaGtGruff on April 08, 2021, 04:03:36 PM
Yes, there is. I wish that it had some of the features that the AKX10 has, plus drums like the Revo drums of the 900, but it is what it is, and the sounds are really good on both keyboards.

Now there is. In January 2020 there was not.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Toril S on April 08, 2021, 04:26:01 PM
Stay far far away from it!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: janamdo on April 08, 2021, 10:37:36 PM
Think on the Yamaha quality  8)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DerekA on April 16, 2021, 03:09:04 PM
I've just watched Jeremy See's latest video on the AKX10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIM5oxDG-8I

I think Yamaha should be seriously worried. There's no doubt that this has copied most of its design and operation from Yamaha. But it does it as well, if not better in some ways. Jeremy is especially impressed by the software - compare that to the almost universally hated YEM. I think this keyboard would be more appealing to younger people than the SX700 or even SX900 based on its price and styling.

I was also interested to learn Medeli is also the parent company of the Hydrasynth, which has some really interesting innovative features (e.g. multi-purpose mutators).

Don't get me wrong, I love my Genos; but Yamaha had better start moving or Medeli will eat its lunch.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Joe H on April 16, 2021, 04:33:45 PM
I watched the video to the end.  It is an impressive keyboard for sure for the price.  It may very well cause Yamaha to re-think pricing on the sx900 and add those feature found on the Medeli AKX10.

But... if you buy a AKX10 you are on your own.  You loose compatibility with Yamaha styles, MIDI files, (different Voice messages) and Yamaha and 3rd party expansion packs (a really big loss). And don't forget all the free software and commercial software for Yamaha arrangers that will no longer work with the Medeli keyboard.

While the AKX10 is a "big bank of the buck" so to speak, what you loose is a huge loss of software and support. 

Joe H
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: hans1966 on April 16, 2021, 07:05:03 PM
Hi Guys, it looks like this is the same keyboard, but with a different reference.

For Latin America and Europe it is AKX10, but in China it is called A2000.

Here are the demo links apparently of the same keyboard.

regards

Hans


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkvop0T5nBI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVvTbdS2ic

Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: dalekwars on April 16, 2021, 09:59:40 PM
just watched all the video and indeed for the price you get a lot....I was interested to see that he did not feature the styles very much....because despite his claims that they beat a PSr sx 600, 700 and Korg Pa700   obviously the guy is being paid a whopping amount by Medeli as there simply is no comparison...to my ears they sounded like the styles of a tyros 1!!   his constant critique of Yamaha I began to find very annoying...and as for the claims that you could use this keyboard to go right up to grade 8!!  is he really a teacher?? i have not on any of his video's seen any real skill in playing.....

The other points made about style libraries, software etc are very important and here Medeli have literally no presence in the market at all which is odd as they have been around for some time so why no style and sound libraries....

The other comment that you would hardly buy a keyboard like this to play Chopin or Debussy I found astonishing as what the Medeli claims to be able to do and the polophony playing this sort of music should be a breeze as it is on my SX900

As I said it would be fun to own if I had money to throw away but as Toril said and I agree....stay far far away from it!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DJIncendration on April 24, 2021, 01:46:58 PM
I think Yamaha should be seriously worried. There's no doubt that this has copied most of its design and operation from Yamaha. But it does it as well, if not better in some ways. Jeremy is especially impressed by the software - compare that to the almost universally hated YEM. I think this keyboard would be more appealing to younger people than the SX700 or even SX900 based on its price and styling.

It does have very very similar settings and sounds, however, they didn't copy. For example, take the first, 3rd, 4th and 5th guitar sounds in the video.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on July 07, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
 Medeli are assembling Yamaha arranger keyboards in China.
Correct or a joke ?

Regards,
JH
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: ssmaynard29 on September 03, 2021, 05:09:31 PM
Hello..I have been considering purchasing the Medeli AKX10 or Yamaha DGX 670.  In your opinion which keyboard
has the better sound quality?  Another concern I have is that I would like to add additional styles and know I can
use this site for the Yamaha DGX670, but not so sure about the Medeli.

Thank you for your input.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 03, 2021, 06:36:05 PM
Hi :

I bought a Medeli AKX10 three weeks ago.
I am regulary in contact with Medeli / China.

All my e-mail questions ( in English ) are answered within 12 hours and these people are very friendly.

The AKX10 is a lower priced ( USD 699,-- ) 61 keys arranger keyboard.

The styles are OK and the keyboard sounds very good but it is not a high end arranger keyboard.
See all specs on the internet.

It is my second keyboard.
 
I need at least 2 - 3 months to have a good knowledge of my AKX10 but my first impression is very good.
I am not disappointed. 😃

# 1 is my SX900. 👍

Best regards, JH

 


Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Amwilburn on September 03, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Medeli are assembling Yamaha arranger keyboards in China.
Correct or a joke ?

Regards,
JH

As I've mentioned, Yamaha doesn't do OEM. Medeli is its own company; Yamaha has their own factories in China (and Japan, & Indonesia).
Yamaha's factory is in Hangzhou, China.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjOI-jQmgdM

Medeli's is in Jinwan, China

http://subsites.chinadaily.com.cn/zhuhai/2017-07/28/c_88520.htm


If you check on Google maps, those 2 are approx 1400km apart.

Mark
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 04, 2021, 08:59:40 AM
Hello Mark  :

Thank you for your feedback.
It looks like you are well informed. 🤓

It is good to hear there is no relationship between both manufacturers.
One never knows which real connection there might be between Medeli and Yamaha though.

Yamaha is ( worldwide ) the most important and best producer of all arranger keyboards and software.

2 RUMORS ?
01. We have been told Yamaha will end their own software production soon ? 🤔

02. It seems Yamaha have decided a third party will produce all their software like styles, voices etc. in the near future ? 🙄

I really wonder if the above information is correct though. 😎
Hard to believe, I guess ... but not impossible.
Maybe time will tell, who knows ?

Bye for now, JH
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: km.prod on September 10, 2021, 03:59:40 AM
Hello ssmaynard29
I know there is a style converter between Yamaha and Medeli, so that's not a problem.

Regarding the differences between DGX670, its 88 heavy hammer keys stand out, and the Medeli has other extra functions


Hello..I have been considering purchasing the Medeli AKX10 or Yamaha DGX 670.  In your opinion which keyboard
has the better sound quality?  Another concern I have is that I would like to add additional styles and know I can
use this site for the Yamaha DGX670, but not so sure about the Medeli.

Thank you for your input.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: km.prod on September 10, 2021, 04:03:03 AM
Hello, forum members

Since August 2 I made a pre-purchase of a Medeli AKX10, and this week I hope they confirm the shipment.

I have been reading and watching videos about this new model, said to be the Medeli A1000 update, but with improvements that make it similar to the Psr sx700 and 900 or close to the Korg pa700 to the pa900. What if it is clear that Medeli is better than the Casio brand, because it maintains the well-known taste of Yamaha

There is also a style converter from Yamaha to Medeli.

When I have the piano I will share more about it.

God bless you
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Misu on September 10, 2021, 07:40:40 AM
Congratulation,

The price is better than all.
Regarding the look, touch screen and sound is close to SX-700
Memory for custom voices 756MB is close to S-975
3 switches for joystick and 256 polyphony is close to Genos
Bluetooth audio & midi is close but better than SX-900 and all the rest.
Regarding the Mono Legato is close then A-5000 and better then all the rest.
Grand suite is clear better than YEM and edit styles and arpeggios.
Customer service is great they answer and help.
Color change for led are great.
All made in China.
Good choice for low budget.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Teknoss on September 10, 2021, 08:31:00 AM
And I just installed and tried the "YEM" for those Medeli keyboards: Grandsuite.
It has the choice to assign an "element" and each sample to KEYOFF, very important to make realistic voices.
Yamaha doesn't want us to have that choice, they just gave us very basic tools on YEM.
You can't do it on YEM for Yamaha Genos, but you can do it for a Medeli LOL with Grandsuite.
SHAME ON YOU YAMAHA!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: mikf on September 10, 2021, 09:18:46 AM
Companies make business decisions about products and features based on meeting their goals, not out of arrogance or to insult buyers. When they get them wrong or the market landscape changes, they revisit them. Thats how competition works. They might decide to change, they might not,  but they dont necessarily have to match competitors products feature for feature to be successful. They view the whole package. Thats why we have choices.
Mike
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 10, 2021, 11:02:48 AM
Hi Guys  :

I can confirm the AKX10 is a great keyboard for its price and it is a good additional arranger keyboard to my SX900.

I am ( almost monthly ) in contact with Medeli Shangai/China and it might be their intention, they say, to build a high end arranger keyboard in the near future.

However, before they are deciding they have to wait if their AKX10 sales volume is as forecasted and/or expected, I guess.
No final decision has been taken yet. Wait and see.

Regards, JH
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Toril S on September 22, 2021, 12:30:31 AM
Just as I feared!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on September 22, 2021, 01:12:45 PM
Hi Toril  :

I would be very grateful to tell me what you mean.
Sorry but I do not understand your words well.
Age problem maybe.😋

Best regards, JH
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Toril S on September 22, 2021, 09:37:15 PM
Jeff, I had a wrong spelling :) Corrected it!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Amwilburn on September 24, 2021, 12:34:00 AM
I wish we still sold Medeli at our store so that I could try one. It does sound really good for the $$$
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: GenosMan on October 09, 2021, 06:47:48 PM
For those with an AKX10 -
1) Is there a chord looping feature?
2) Can you edit notes in the sequencer? I checked the manual and it seems there is no way to edit the midi data (at least, it doesn’t appear to be covered).
3) Can you change the sounds on already recorded tracks? In a recent YouTube video, the reviewer says he was unable to change the sound on an already recorded midi track!  :-\
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: km.prod on October 28, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
in which video ?

For those with an AKX10 -
1) Is there a chord looping feature?
2) Can you edit notes in the sequencer? I checked the manual and it seems there is no way to edit the midi data (at least, it doesn’t appear to be covered).
3) Can you change the sounds on already recorded tracks? In a recent YouTube video, the reviewer says he was unable to change the sound on an already recorded midi track!  :-\
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: janamdo on October 28, 2021, 10:44:46 PM
Yamaha stands as a rock and this Chinese keyboard can probably not compete with the SX600 in quality and performance
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Toril S on October 28, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
Agreed! I cringe when people call it a Yamaha clone, it is NOT. But, by all means, enjoy it as long as it lasts! Have fun and play music :)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on October 29, 2021, 05:05:19 AM
Correct, Toril ! Well said. 🤓 🌟 ☝️

The AKX10 is not a Yamaha clone.

I love my Yamaha SX900 and I like my Medeli AKX10 very much.

A Mercedes and a VW are both very reliable, nice and competitive cars but different, also in price.

See also Android, Windows and Mac hardware.

BTW Medeli China confirmed me recently they will manufacture HIGH END
arranger keyboards in the near future.

Very exciting news, I guess.

If the price difference will be comparable to their AKX10, it might become much more interesting. Wait and see.

Best regards, JH

 
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: km.prod on November 09, 2021, 03:12:28 AM
Medeli AKX10 is better than Yamaha psr sx600 and Korg pa300 (o pa600). I have these keyboards
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: mikf on November 09, 2021, 08:25:51 AM

A Mercedes and a VW are both very reliable, nice and competitive cars but different, ……
Actually not that different - both are world renowned brands, both have worldwide distribution, almost 100 year history, and huge reputation. Not a comparison similar to Medeli and Yamaha at all.
Mike
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Jeff Hollande on November 09, 2021, 08:45:53 AM
Hi Mike :

You are absolutely right ! They are not very well known in the USA e.g. yet.
Only a few small number of US dealers started to sell this keyboard ( AKX10 ) in the USA now.

Medeli, a Chinese manufacturer, are 25 years on the market now and they have never made high end arranger keyboards ever before.
They have the serious intention to manufacture high ends since they recently started to distribute the AKX10 worldwide.

The AKX10 model ( picture below ) seems to become popular. I have one. Not bad at all for its price ( EURO 689,-- ).

Here in Europe Medeli have dealers and a European Distribution Centre has been created in my lovely small country, The Netherlands. ;)

Best regards, JH

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Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: ugawoga on November 14, 2021, 07:22:27 PM
Hi
It might be a Yawahara next ;D
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: mikf on November 16, 2021, 07:09:34 PM
It doesn't have to if it's half the cost.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: km.prod on December 20, 2021, 05:51:33 PM
Marketing of Psr sx600 versus capacity of Medeli AKX10
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: ckobu on December 20, 2021, 06:09:19 PM
Continuation of the story, and Thomann joined the game ...

https://youtu.be/GV5SVnHRosY (https://youtu.be/GV5SVnHRosY)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: FantomX on December 31, 2021, 11:52:32 AM
Hi ... I bought Medeli AKX10 out of curiosity and tested it. Personal opinion ... good keyboard, similar to Yamaha SX (700-900), maybe a little better, Sound: the sound is better then I espected.
Rich, powerfull and bright but not thin, Style Creator ... here it is on the ground (toy from the 80's) .. but I sent an email to Medeli, and, surprise very receptive to customer requests .. in 2 days I received an answer:  Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting Medeli !

Your demand is well received.  We know about the Style Edit of AKX10 has some limitations and restrictions, we understand now it is not easy to edit styles on AKX10.  So started from a couple of month ago, we planned a major upgrade to the Style Edit function, and we are doing it right now. 

Here are some the upgrades of Style Edit that I can share with you:
- We will remove the restriction of the channel mapping. In the current version, the original channel 1 and 9 is constantly mapped to Drum track, channel 2 and 10 to Percussion, channel 3 and 11 to Bass, and so on. It will be able to freely map the channels to any tracks.
- We will remove the restriction of channel using of different sections. Now only Intros and Endings can use channel 1~8, Mains and Fill Ins only uses channel 9~16. We will allow all sections use all 16 channels.
- We will remove the limitations of chord rules. Now only Major/Minor/All can be selected for tracks to decide which chord types they will play. We will open all Root mute, Chord mute and other chord response settings.
- We will remove the restriction of C Major 7-notes-only.
- Most of the parameters and sound settings can be changed when the style is playing in Style Edit.
- The event list actually can display program changes, controller changes, not only notes.  But we will upgrade the display and operation of some events like the sound selections.

Above is a part of the upgrades we are developing right now.  This firmware upgrade will be released with some other new features, upgrades and bug fixes.  It is now planned to be released around next March.

We know the planned upgrades in the new firmware probably will not solve all issues you have listed.  We will keep the maintenance and upgrade for your AKX10.  But please understand that AKX10 is not a top grade work station, some very detailed editing might better be done with desktop DAW.

Thank you for your feedback.  Happy new year, best wishes to you and your family!

Best regards,
So, from March, keep an eye on Medeli AKX10 ... big changes in OS are announced .   Happy new year to everyone !

Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: lalotexas@gmail.com on February 21, 2022, 01:59:04 AM
used korg crome 61 or new medali akx10? for beginners
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: FantomX on March 08, 2022, 01:10:49 PM
Demo Medeli AKX 10 Romania :   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3zwCwqdM3A       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-MuTo5KNlk
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: luiscarlos2000 on March 16, 2022, 08:33:54 PM
If someone will get the preset styles from the AKX10 I'll be welcomed.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tyros2009 on April 05, 2022, 02:24:49 AM
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If someone will get the preset styles from the AKX10 I'll be welcomed.
Can you clarify on this ?

I bought a Medeli AXK10 3 weeks ago. It works very similar to an SX-700, SX-900.
Within 2 days, I modify a set of preset styles and save them as user styles, then create a set of registrations which call up these styles along with their proper mixer setting to balance the style volume and right hand volume. Play first gig 10 days after getting it. Work out pretty well.
Voices do not sound as good as SX-900 of course, so I choose voices that sound good to play, avoid bad sounding ones.
My next step is to sample some voices on my Genos, and create a voice pack for AKX-10 and test how it sounds.
The user interface is superb, much better than my old and beloved Tyros3.

However, there are a few spec details that I do not believe: for example: 256 note polyphony., 80 watt speakers (more like 24 watts on my EW410).

So far, I am happy as it is much more portable than my Tyros3. Buying an SX-900 is not my choice as I already bought a Genos.






Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Leading Edge on April 05, 2022, 10:05:01 AM
Interesting.. One of our keyboard club members has just purchased a Medeli AKX10.  I have the PSR SX900 myself and was interested to hear what the Medeli had to offer compared to the SX900.  For the money the Medeli cost I was blown away with the value for money. My SX900 cost £1,650 and the Medeli costs £650.  That's a very big difference.  I preferred the Medeli keybed to my SX but the Medeli built-in speakers are very much inferior to the SX.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DjTony1981 on April 06, 2022, 12:18:40 PM
Hello everyone, I already have the SX-900 and tempted by the price (at the moment only positive aspect) I bought his Thomann AK-X1100 clone, removing the shipping costs would be 550 euros or so. I tried it for 10 minutes, personal opinion, in comparison with the SX I repeat the only positive aspect: the price. The sounds screech when played with MIDI files, the speakers scratch with some sounds, the styles are too simple and sound bad, very limited customizations, for example in the mixer, you cannot see the sounds and EFX used .. the intentions are good but badly exploited. Hope in future firmware updates ..  ??? :-\
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DjTony1981 on April 19, 2022, 05:43:02 PM
Here internal styles of MEDELI/THOMANN.. use there with MEDELI "Grandsuite V2" for convert in midi+casm files than use CasmEdit for convert these in YAMAHA styles.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/ntl6pq18e11krgt/THOMANN+AK-X1100+INTERNAL+STYLES.zip/file (https://www.mediafire.com/file/ntl6pq18e11krgt/THOMANN+AK-X1100+INTERNAL+STYLES.zip/file)
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: mixermixer on April 19, 2022, 08:48:52 PM
At a quick glance, the medeli model looks to use a capacitive touchscreen like a modern smartphone or tablet which is a plus for me since it's way better than the resistive touchscreen on the current PSR and Genos. Also as already mentioned, the price can't be beat. Unfortunately other than that, some voices and the styles aren't that great, they sound like they came from T1 or T2 generation. I do appreciate that this keyboard exists so hopefully Yamaha can take notice and do something about their IMO ridiculous pricing.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Misu on April 20, 2022, 06:20:11 AM
Hi,

My country is not very rich so many people have chosen AKX 10 instead of Yamaha and are satisfied with almost everything:
sound, memory, touch, easy access to all styles from Yamaha.
One problem was the internal software.
These days, Medeli promises that a big software upgrade will follow that will amaze many.

Best regards!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tyros2009 on May 17, 2022, 06:49:54 PM
I bought a Medeli AKX-10 two months ago by curiosity and have played two gigs with it. (I owned Tyros3, S770 and Genos).
This Medeli is a great keyboard for its really low price. Yamaha keyboards players can play this Medeli right away out of the box, no need for the user manual as everything look the same.

It tooks me less than 2 days to set it up for about 2 dozen styles I use to play for parties. My Setup involves: select a style, program the 4 OTS (with volume balancing), set tempo, style volume then save this set as one registration button. I did same thing for my Yamaha keyboards.

AND it has many features that Yamaha keyboards to not have (including Genos).
Here are a few examples:
1) chord velocity:  when turned ON, the style is played loud of soft depending on how hard to play the chord. With this feature, one can play with expression. Yamaha can certainly add this feature with a simple firmware upgrade BUT ..... (we all know).
2) style editing:  when changing the style track voice and/or velocity, The AKX10 will only change for the section being edited (Intros, Mains, Endings). Yamaha keyboards with change that style track for ALL sections of the current style.
3) light color on screen and buttons can be changed to fit user taste.
4) editing the 4 QS (Quick Setting i.e. OTS on Yamaha) of a style is easier and a dedicated menu screen.
Overall, the User Interface of the AKX-10 is definitely more user friendly and more logical than on Yamaha keyboard.

The AKX10 also has flashing party lights under the keyboard, that could entertaining (but can also be turned OFF).

So what are the downside of the Medeli ? Well, the voices do not sound as good as the SX600. Although, one can sample audio voice (acoustic OR synthetizer) and create new voice for this keyboard. I plan to do this when having more time.

 

Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Leading Edge on May 17, 2022, 06:59:40 PM
tyros2009.   An interesting post on the Medeli AKX10.. Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: DerekA on May 17, 2022, 08:10:18 PM
Just to note that the Yamaha PSR, Tyros and Genos arrangers do have the option for the chord to play loudly or softly in response to how hard you hit the left hand keys. It's in the style settings menu, style touch.

So no need for a firmware upgrade for that one!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: LaHawk on May 17, 2022, 10:05:24 PM
So I assume Medeli and Yamaha styles and sounds and not compatible.
Probably not, so can you add more from Medeli or a third party site?
It sure sounds like a nice alternative if cost is a factor. But remember Medeli is made in China, Yamaha, Japan, so there's that.
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tyros2009 on May 18, 2022, 03:05:55 AM
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Just to note that the Yamaha PSR, Tyros and Genos arrangers do have the option for the chord to play loudly or softly in response to how hard you hit the left hand keys. It's in the style settings menu, style touch.

THANKS FOR THIS GREAT TIP. I never knew Yamaha keyboard has this feature. I will certainly turn it ON.
Does this apply per style or apply for ALL styles once turned ON ?
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tyros2009 on May 18, 2022, 03:15:38 AM
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For those with an AKX10 -
1) Is there a chord looping feature?
2) Can you edit notes in the sequencer? I checked the manual and it seems there is no way to edit the midi data (at least, it doesn’t appear to be covered).
3) Can you change the sounds on already recorded tracks? In a recent YouTube video, the reviewer says he was unable to change the sound on an already recorded midi track!

Don't know if these questions have been answered or not. Here are mine:

1) AKX10 has no chord looping feature.
My Genos has chord looping , already tried out, but I found it's not very convenient to use.
If I need a chord sequence for a particular song, I would record this sequence as an Intro (or Ending) into a Song Style ahead of time. Then use it during live play.  I am pretty good at making song styles these days.
2) I have not tried this feature. If I need to edit a MIDI file, I copy it to my PC and user MidiEditor software to make change, then play it with this software (keyboard connected to PC via USB), I will hear exactly how this revised MIDI file sounds.
3) there is a new firmware upgrade that fix the issue, user can now re-voice MIDI song on the keyboard.




Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Robert van Weersch on May 18, 2022, 11:36:00 AM
Hopefully they will also create a 76-key version of this keyboard, then it looks really interesting to me!
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: Amwilburn on May 27, 2022, 08:25:31 PM
AND it has many features that Yamaha keyboards to not have (including Genos).
Here are a few examples:
1) chord velocity:  when turned ON, the style is played loud of soft depending on how hard to play the chord. With this feature, one can play with expression.


???
Yamahas have had chord velocity since Tyros 4. It's called Style touch on T4, Dynamics Control on the newer boards. Yamaha's had it for 12 years now, they even updated it in the DGX670 which can auto fill up or down depending how hard you play the chords.

Mark
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tyros2009 on June 29, 2022, 12:57:27 AM
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Yamahas have had chord velocity since Tyros 4.
Almost correct, Tyros 3 also has chord velocity as I recently tried it.
And the S770 has it too.

Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tbaroghel on July 07, 2022, 04:34:23 PM
To be honest, Yamaha (or Thomann/Medeli) keyboards may have the best features in the world ... it is useless if unknown to users. This is, in my opinion, a good example of a feature I never stumbled upon, and I will sure give it a try. If mistaken, show me the Yamaha video / manual page that explains it !
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: LaHawk on July 07, 2022, 06:03:05 PM
To be honest, Yamaha (or Thomann/Medeli) keyboards may have the best features in the world ... it is useless if unknown to users. This is, in my opinion, a good example of a feature I never stumbled upon, and I will sure give it a try. If mistaken, show me the Yamaha video / manual page that explains it !

Page 12 of the the SX-900 Reference Manual

 MENU (2) - Style Setting.

Dynamics Control
This determines how the Style playback volume changes depending on the playing strength.

• Off: The volume is kept the same regardless of playing strength. (This is the default setting)
• Narrow: The volume changes over a narrow range.
• Medium: The volume changes over a medium range.
• Wide: The volume changes over a wide range.

(Changes made will be saved after off/on)
SX-900 Reference Manual USA: https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/1279207/psrsx900_en_rm_b0.pdf
Title: Re: PSR-SX600 clone release: Medeli AKX10
Post by: tbaroghel on July 08, 2022, 03:42:53 PM
Point taken ! Many thanks for this precise (and precious) information.
T