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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: ckobu on October 04, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
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woow
https://youtu.be/KfrdEbbz1aM (https://youtu.be/KfrdEbbz1aM)
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The waiting and guessing is over ;) Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfrdEbbz1aM
Weposted by at the same time @Chobu ;)
The moderator wil merge these postings, I guess
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Super.
3 Gb memory
Chord looper
Style reset
Whoaaaaaa ;D ;D
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Yamahhhaaaaaaaaa :) :) :)
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Wow wow wow wow wow wow wow
The greatest knews I ever heard from Yamaha. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
3 GB of memory?! Chord Looper?! Individual Scale?! Style Section Reset?!
This is AMAZING!!!
Oh, my God! I'm very excited ;D ;D ;D
Finally YAMAHA IS with us!
Best regards,
Vali
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Great news !
Strange that they can increase expansion memory with a software update though.
They must be taking it away from internal memory or something ???
And also additional voices and styles !! Very nice!
I hope the update is free of charge ...
Best regards
Rudy
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Great news !
Strange that they can increase expansion memory with a software update though.
They must be taking it away from internal memory or something ???
And also additional voices and styles !! Very nice!
I hope the update is free of charge ...
Best regards
Rudy
there is many ways to archieve this.. allocating memmory different.. lossless compression ofvthe memmory, hard disk streaming (thats what korg did)
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Hi All
Come on guys, with the greatest of respect, this is just wishful thinking.
It is not from Yamaha, although the guy has made a good job of the Video.
Have you not heard of the increasing trend in Fake News.
Bill
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@Bill:
So you think all of the videos on the Yamaha_Global channel are fake....??
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Looks very promising. 👍
As far as I know, we've never seen such big updates at same model during the Tyros series.
If Genos is capable for more big softwareupdates after v2.0, I doubt we will se any G2 in nearest future.
I doubt that this is 'fake news' looking to where the video is located. Copied the link from a post at SZ. 😊
https://www.youtube.com/user/yamahacorporation/videos
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Where that video is located is not Yamaha corporation.
On its about page it lists its website as http://www.global.yamaha.com/
That site does not exist.
It is most likely a fake.
Gerard
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Where that video is located is not Yamaha corporation.
On its about page it lists its website as http://www.global.yamaha.com/
That site does not exist.
It is most likely a fake.
Gerard
ths is the about page of that same youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/yamahacorporation/about
looks genuine to me
Best Regards
Rudy
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It looks authentic to me.
But time will tell.
Cheers,
Fred
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I just don't understand some of the people on here. Many have been asking for these things as updates then say they must be Fake. I can assure you that this is the new update coming along in the winter.
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The video is 100% authentic and by Yamaha. if you go to Yamahas official Genos site (or any other instrument really) and check out the videos there, most of them are from that YouTube channel, so it is legit...
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I hope this is real - 3GB expansion memory would be a great feature.
The Yamaha product web page has a section on Genos updates. If this V2 appears on there, it's genuine.
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html#product-tabs
[@tvskyfreak it's just the opposite way round ...... anyone can copy videos from an official channel and put them on their own channel. That does not make anything else they put on their channel also legit]
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I mean - if you check Yamaha's site about V4.1 (https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html#product-tabs) - the video on there is from the same channel Yamaha_Global which has 168k subscribes. The new 2.0 video is from the exact same channel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfrdEbbz1aM) - so it's got to be authentic :)
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It looks authentic to me.
But time will tell.
Cheers,
Fred
I agree... Most of the Youtube videos are produces by Yamaha Corporation of America. I've never seen Yamaha Global before. Many people are reproducing Yamaha videos... but this one has the official Yamaha logo.
"But time will tell".
Joe H
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I don't think Yamaha Corporation will let anyone in the world using its name, at least on Youtube channel name.
It looks very authentic to me.
Regards
Vali
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I'm a follower of Yamaha_Global since many years. This channel was created in 2007 and has up today some 115 million hits. There is absolutely no doubt that this is an official Yamaha channel. The Yamaha Music Europe channel provides links to other Yamaha YT channels, which does include Yamaha_Global :
https://www.youtube.com/user/YamahaMusicEurope/channels?view=49&shelf_id=25 (https://www.youtube.com/user/YamahaMusicEurope/channels?view=49&shelf_id=25)
There may be even more channels, but due to these links Yamaha_Global has the largest number of followers.
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https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html (https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html)
The demo of Genos in Yamaha's site comes from the above Youtube Channel(Yamaha Global).
Yamaha seems to have several official channels on Youtube, like Yamaha Global,Yamaha music Europe,Yamaha Motors etc.
So there is no such thing as "fake" video.
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thanks.
I skipped 1.4 because i read there were some problems . . .
can i install 2.0 now or do i have to instal 1.4 first and then 2.0?
thanks in advance.
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On its about page it lists its website as http://www.global.yamaha.com/
That site does not exist.
It is most likely a fake.
http://www.global.yamaha.com/ once was a global gateway to Yamaha music instrument sites. You may have a look back to the past (snapshot from 2005):
https://web.archive.org/web/20051001081233/http://www.global.yamaha.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20051001081233/http://www.global.yamaha.com/)
When Yamaha_Global was created, global.yamaha.com existed. It is very common that links won't get updated...
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thanks.
I skipped 1.4 because i read there were some problems . . .
can i install 2.0 now or do i have to instal 1.4 first and then 2.0?
thanks in advance.
Yamaha updates have always included all previous changes, meaning you can just install 2.0.
But wait? 2.0 won't be out until "Winter 2019". Install 1.41 now, and enjoy its benefits while you wait for 2.0.
Cheers,
Fred
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RIGHT SAID FRED!!! ;D
"IM TOO SEXY SEXY FOR MY GENOS"!!!! 8)
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The update coming on Winter time so there is still time for Yamaha to accomplish work on "TERCA" unless is already done.
1. Note shift to all individuals tones +/-12 separate for R1,R2,R3
2.Tuning scale individual for R1,R2,R3
3.Base note-which we already have
4. Possibility to memorized in Reg.Memory all
This is what a lot of musicians dream since a long time ago....
Thanks Yamaha
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Metcam, it can (or not?! ???), and it is individual, for each voice part... I don't know which is the maximum value accepted for a note. They wrote in a note on SX manual, that the value increased/decreased is as 1/100th of a semitone, which means that value represent a real percent of a semitone. If that value can be more than 100, is a very good thing, we can make terca, if not, is useless, we cannot do it ;)
More than that it has SubScale, but the things is, if it is like on SX, only the SubScale cannot be saved in registration, is only a temporary scale. But Main Scale is saved in registrations.
(https://i.ibb.co/8Y2m9wv/scale.png)
Regards
Vali
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Am I the only one who's feeling like , Genos 1 came out yesterday??
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Hi all Genosphils,
In order to participate to the ambiance of excitation, could anybody explain to the newbee what is the feature 'Style reset' ?
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Hi all Genosphils,
In order to participate to the ambiance of excitation, could anybody explain to the newbee what is the feature 'Style reset' ?
I think that it puts the Beat count to 1.
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Luluc, if you did not hear about it (its present on the market about 20 years ago) you must watch the SX-900 presentation video and you will see and hear what is Style Section Reset.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxlKY9dNeZM
Regards,
Vali
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Hi,
can anyone tell me what can this "Scale" function do without? And, possibly give a precise example of use?
thank you in advance
Good evening
Seagull29
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I have a little hope that they add rotary control to the programmable foot pedal to use it with the Mfc 10 , never missed style reset or chord looper .
Soryt :)
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Luluc, if you did not hear about it (its present on the market about 20 years ago) you must watch the SX-900 presentation video and you will see and hear what is Style Section Reset.
I watched the vid. OK, it's a cool feature I will use.
It's said that the style section reset can be triggered using a footswitch. I understand a pedal. As we can only connect two pedals already assigned to two functions, I hope we will get too a SysEx code to control this feature.
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Hi,
can anyone tell me what can this "Scale" function do without? And, possibly give a precise example of use?
thank you in advance
Good evening
Seagull29
SCALE - It's like we can make USER Harmony. Now we only have factory settings, Standard Duet, Standard Trio, Rock Duet ...
https://youtu.be/bbI0cXsAjhY?t=766 (https://youtu.be/bbI0cXsAjhY?t=766)
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Seagull29,
Scale is used on most of EastEurope music and Arabic music (maybe others too).
If you can select more than a semitone in a scale value, you can simple make your own Harmony setting. There are some combinations of scales that Harmony Settings of Yamaha (Korg, Roland) cannot make to play a good harmony. All is about that Root Note and the mathematical relations between notes. In fact, music is math :D Math + soul = happiness :D
Regards,
Vali
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Hi Seagul,
the scale tuning we are using for playing music was developed over the years for playing Western Europe's music (Classical music.Afterwards jazz,rock etc)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_tuning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_tuning)
Other kinds of music were/are using different scale tuning that can "suit" better to the ear for specific musical scales(there are many more than we used to play) and instruments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2c3ByxqnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2c3ByxqnI)
In our keyboards we have some different scale tuning function as "presets".
On my psr are in "Master tune/Scale tune" (Function button + A button)
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Yamaha updates have always included all previous changes, meaning you can just install 2.0.
But wait? 2.0 won't be out until "Winter 2019". Install 1.41 now, and enjoy its benefits while you wait for 2.0.
Cheers,
Fred
Fred.
thanks for the clarification. I thought the excitement was because the 2.0 upgrade was already available as of now. Evidently it is not. thanks again.
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Well done Yamaha! For me, the chord looper, is such a desirable feature. I am also excited for the 50 new styles. It will feel like Christmas!
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Fred.
thanks for the clarification. I thought the excitement was because the 2.0 upgrade was already available as of now. Evidently it is not. thanks again.
No, Al ;D
The excitement is for WHAT the new update will bring.
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Metcam, it can (or not?! ???), and it is individual, for each voice part... I don't know which is the maximum value accepted for a note. They wrote in a note on SX manual, that the value increased/decreased is as 1/100th of a semitone, which means that value represent a real percent of a semitone. If that value can be more than 100, is a very good thing, we can make terca, if not, is useless, we cannot do it ;)
More than that it has SubScale, but the things is, if it is like on SX, only the SubScale cannot be saved in registration, is only a temporary scale. But Main Scale is saved in registrations.
(https://i.ibb.co/8Y2m9wv/scale.png)
Regards
Regards
Vali
That's why we need also "NOTE SHIFT" or "Key transpose" and than everything must to be memorized in Registar memory.
Right there is end of the story :)
I think Yamaha will fix that to we have Finally "TERCA" (USER HARMONY) on Genos.
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WRT increasing expansion memory
there is many ways to archieve this.. allocating memmory different.. lossless compression ofvthe memmory, hard disk streaming (thats what korg did)
Hi Bachus --
We're on the same page here. I think Yamaha has implemented compression of user waveform samples. Given Yamaha's commitment to quality sound, I don't think they would use a lossy compression.
Streaming? I don't think they can. (Prove me wrong, Yamaha! :) ) The data channel from the eMMC device (64GB) is relatively slow; it's definitely not as fast as a SATA-based SSD. It uses the funky integrated eMMC data channel provided by the ARM processor. All sample data would need to flow from the eMMC to the ARM and then from the ARM to one of the tone generator waveform memories.
I'm looking forward to learning more about this improvment.
All the best -- pj
P.S. Montage/MODX users are still screaming for user waveform compression...
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Pj
I think that they used the memory that has been reserved for audio styles before they enabled Genos to read audio styles from USB devices. What do you think?
Uli
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Pj
I think that they used the memory that has been reserved for audio styles before they enabled Genos to read audio styles from USB devices. What do you think?
Uli
Hi Uli --
That's an interesting idea! I guess we'll have to wait to get more information before we can infer how they really did it!
Almost done unpacking and reorganizing the studio. Fortunately, Genos and MODX arrived unscathed. I've found a church group which does a lot of gospel music in addition to the usual hymns and psalms. Lots of B3, so I'm smiling! :) :) :)
It's good to be practicing on a full size keyboard, again. So, far, I've been rehearsing and playing live with the YC and its mini-keys.
Take care -- pj
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Hi Uli --
That's an interesting idea! I guess we'll have to wait to get more information before we can infer how they really did it!
Almost done unpacking and reorganizing the studio. Fortunately, Genos and MODX arrived unscathed. I've found a church group which does a lot of gospel music in addition to the usual hymns and psalms. Lots of B3, so I'm smiling! :) :) :)
It's good to be practicing on a full size keyboard, again. So, far, I've been rehearsing and playing live with the YC and its mini-keys.
Take care -- pj
I don’t know about this..
There seem to be 2 soundprocessors in the Genos
Each having 128 voice polyphony..
One for the onboard voices
One for the expansion voices
Which made me believe each of these soundprocessors has its own memmory..
The onboard soundram of Genos was about 2 GB
Same goes for the Expansion sounds
((((Where Montage has 6 GB +2GB) all on 1 sounprcocessor where the 2nd is for FMX))))
So with both adding new sounds (advanced sounds) as well as expandingbthe expansion sounds
Lossless real time compression seems to be the answer, to this miracle
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I began to count down in the hangover and suspense. It's like 2 years before the first leaked images of Genos, but no date of the 2019 winter timeline will start from which date?
It is October 5 now that it is almost the end of autumn. So will the winter be December 30, 2019?
Or Genos 2.0 OS will release exactly 2 years on the launch of Genos (October 2017)
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Hi Bachus --
I lean toward compression, too. Yamaha's memory allocation (especially waveform memory) is rather clunky. In their defense, the clunkiness is partially due to the need to lay out samples (compressed or uncompressed) in contiguous, sequential chunks. This is necessary to maintain a high enough data transfer rate from ONFI flash.
I feel like I'm already out on a limb with speculation. More details from Yamaha should help us to fill in the story.
All the best -- pj
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Pj
I think that they used the memory that has been reserved for audio styles before they enabled Genos to read audio styles from USB devices. What do you think?
Uli
Hi Uli
I do not think that Yamaha actually reserved any memory for the Audio Styles in the Genos. Yes they did on the Tyros 5.
Bill
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Hi Bachus --
I lean toward compression, too. Yamaha's memory allocation (especially waveform memory) is rather clunky. In their defense, the clunkiness is partially due to the need to lay out samples (compressed or uncompressed) in contiguous, sequential chunks. This is necessary to maintain a high enough data transfer rate from ONFI flash.
I feel like I'm already out on a limb with speculation. More details from Yamaha should help us to fill in the story.
All the best -- pj
We will , see, in the end the choosen tech is not whats important, its important that think work ..
Really looking forward to this patch..
There is a lot of goodness in it..
But its espescially good to see proof that Yamaha Arrangers is finally on the sme track as Yamaha Synths..
Whats also good to know is that all these things where in a post about 2 years ago, that got deleted and turned into drama. Hope we will see more of the goodness described in that post in the future..
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But its espescially good to see proof that Yamaha Arrangers is finally on the sme track as Yamaha Synths..
Over and over again there will be a miracle...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Ups_6r1E8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Ups_6r1E8)
:-*
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Not a patch on Max Wall!! 8) :P ;D
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Hi Uli
I do not think that Yamaha actually reserved any memory for the Audio Styles in the Genos. Yes they did on the Tyros 5.
Bill
Yes, they did. With firmware 1.10 you could load expansion audio styles using YEM, and there was 1 GB of memory reserved for this. This limit was shown in YEM. With firmware 1.20 Genos was able to read audio styles from USB devices. So the internal flash rom memory for audio styles was not needed any more. So it was unused until now. Many users in German groups were waiting for Yamaha to give this unused memory free for expansion voices. I think that this will happen now.
(So I am not a believer of the lossless compression theory. Because this new limit would not work for Yamaha expansions, since they are already compressed. But using compression for user samples would be a great advancement. Nord can do this: the Nord sample manager does compress user samples for use in internal memory.)
Uli
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Great...more expansion memory for me means even more bagpipes samples! a sound I use which always works to stop a new years eve gig going on too long especially if one makes excessive use of the pitch bender . It wasn’t the German scientists that developed the first military sound weapon , it was the Scotch ! Lol
nothin wrong with Bagpipes lol
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nothin wrong with Bagpipes lol
It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. :) :)
-- pj
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It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. :) :)
-- pj
Funny. That is what I used the bag pipes sound for. ;)
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Funny. That is what I used the bag pipes sound for. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAnwLI_pBk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAnwLI_pBk)
8)
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Funny. That is what I used the bag pipes sound for. ;)
Man, everytime AC/DC hits the 'pipes in that song, the hair on the back of head stands up!!! :)
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Great news from Yamaha!
3gb ram memory! and more!
Finally ..
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Sounds a little fishy to me.
For one, the website http://www.global.yamaha.com/ does not exist.
Next, we go from version 1.2 to 1.3 to 1.4 and now 1.41 then suddenly jump to 2.0? ::). Phony if you ask me. Water cooler gossip at best.
But, time will tell.
Regards, RL
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Sounds a little fishy to me.
For one, the website http://www.global.yamaha.com/ does not exist.
Next, we go from version 1.2 to 1.3 to 1.4 and now 1.41 then suddenly jump to 2.0? ::). Phony if you ask me. Water cooler gossip at best.
Oh, ye of little faith.
2.0 is coming in Winter 2019 whether you choose to believe it or not.
Cheers,
Fred
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There is just no convincing some that this is true is there.
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Sounds a little fishy to me.
For one, the website http://www.global.yamaha.com/ does not exist.
Next, we go from version 1.2 to 1.3 to 1.4 and now 1.41 then suddenly jump to 2.0? ::). Phony if you ask me. Water cooler gossip at best.
But, time will tell.
Regards, RL
Hi Richard.
It's not unusual to step up to next level version x.0 when major changes and/or addons is done.
The 'between steps' are often when bugfixes and small changes is done.
I think this 'addon route' is planned in many ways, not only because of what users whishes, but also how far to go before next keyboard version arrive.
Regaring the link that don't work, it is what was in use when the YT site was created in 2007. Not unusual that such old links are changed.
There is updated link beneath the old one.
( https://www.youtube.com/user/yamahacorporation/about )
Also Yamaha wrote when 1.4 was made public:
"It represents Yamaha's commitment to not stand still as we continue to expand an already incredible musical instrument... and the journey is not over."
I'm looking forward to the X-Mas present for my Genos. :)
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2.0 is coming in Winter 2019 whether you choose to believe it or not.
Winter 2019? 8)
Hmmm, but at the southern globe, the winter 2019 is history.
Has the G'users 'Down Under' allready got it? ;) ;D
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I have on official mail from Yamaha Europe.
Ticket opened: #20191004-0998
Question: Hi Jan.
1. Please tell me if this video is a fake one or it is made by you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfrdEbbz1aM
Is this Yamaha_Global a fake channel?
Can Yamaha accept a fake channel which uses its trademark name in channels name or videos?
Answer:
Hi Vali,
how are you?
Yamaha Global is the official Channel from Yamaha.com
I guess they operate the channel from Japan or the US. Its no european work.
Best regards, Jens
Best Regards
Your Yamaha Customer Service Team
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If this information were Fake do you really think that Yamaha would allow it onto things like You Tube.
It would have been taken down within hours.
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With the Yamaha Version 2.0 Teaser showing Superior Pack, 50 new styles, 25 voices, would that all include new styles and voices? If so. would the styles be added to the same style selection as well as the voices to the voice selection. Just very curious. Thanks..
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If this information were Fake do you really think that Yamaha would allow it onto things like You Tube.
It would have been taken down within hours.
well said Eileen :) ;) this forum is becoming a joke
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With the Yamaha Version 2.0 Teaser showing Superior Pack, 50 new styles, 25 voices, would that all include new styles and voices? If so. would the styles be added to the same style selection as well as the voices to the voice selection. Just very curious. Thanks..
Hi Mike --
My guess is the Superior Pack will be loaded and handled like any other expansion pack. This seems like the simplest solution for Yamaha engineering.
I emphasized "guess" because no one really knows much about the update and almost everything in this thread is speculative.
Rather than wait around and think too much about too little information, I'm playing instead. :) :)
All the best -- pj
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My guess is the Superior Pack will be loaded and handled like any other expansion pack...
I would not be surprised if it show up in the style category after update, but who knows.
We'll se it the day the X-mas present will be published. :) 8)
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lol People are very passionate and protective about Yamaha.
Has anyone actually tried the website listed in the video? It gives a 404 message. "Page Not found".
http://www.global.yamaha.com/
Just saying (and stirring :P). If it comes I will be as happy as anyone. Until then --- pfft, meh and all other exclamations of don't care.
Best regards,
Richard
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Try this link Richard,
https://www.youtube.com/user/yamahacorporation (https://www.youtube.com/user/yamahacorporation)
Joe H
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well said Eileen :) ;) this forum is becoming a joke
LOL
Really?! ??? :o
1. I sent mail to Yamaha because (if you have read all post with this new video) it was a lot of people that said Yamaha_Global is a fake account. I did not say that.
2. There are a lot of people that are "scared" to open a ticket to Yamaha and ask them things, and I don't know why.
3. My email has a list of requests, not only that "stupid" question, but I asked them in the name of all which had no confidence in that account. And now I assure them it is not a fake account.
If this forum is a joke, I think you must apologize to all good people who wrote here...
Maybe a moderator will see and delete your offence post!
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Has anyone actually tried the website listed in the video? It gives a 404 message. "Page Not found".
http://www.global.yamaha.com/
Richard, see my previous post:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,51887.msg406050.html#msg406050 (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,51887.msg406050.html#msg406050)
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LOL
Really?! ??? :o
1. I sent mail to Yamaha because (if you have read all post with this new video) it was a lot of people that said Yamaha_Global is a fake account. I did not say that.
2. There are a lot of people that are "scared" to open a ticket to Yamaha and ask them things, and I don't know why.
3. My email has a list of requests, not only that "stupid" question, but I asked them in the name of all which had no confidence in that account. And now I assure them it is not a fake account.
If this forum is a joke, I think you must apologize to all good people who wrote here...
Maybe a moderator will see and delete your offence post!
its not an offencive post people don't believe what is coming in the update if Yamaha say what is coming in the update then it will be in the update
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Hi
I would of thought whoever made the teaser video has spent some money to get it as professional as that.
Sounds like Yamaha to me!!!
It is real alright!! :)
If were faked Yamaha would do something about that especially the copyrights.
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It's already been said that neither the video and definitely not the channel are fake.
If you "google" Genos and look at yamaha's (usa) official page, you will see videos from the same YouTube channel.
That simple.Anyway....
Do you like the update or not?
Will you still keep an older version because you don't trust the team that created your Genos or not?
Do some of you, still feel disappointed because they have added new functions on the SX900 that your Genos doesn't have?
Do you become to understand the benefits of the new operating system that the Genos has compare to the Tyros line?
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I look forward to the update and will not keep the old version. There is no point to doing that.
I also have the SX900 and look forward to chord looper on my Genos as well also extra flash memory and new styles and voices.
Operating system is the same as always but you access functions a little differently via screen which I find much better than my Tyros was.
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I look forward to the update and will not keep the old version. There is no point to doing that.
I also have the SX900 and look forward to chord looper on my Genos as well also extra flash memory and new styles and voices.
Operating system is the same as always but you access functions a little differently via screen which I find much better than my Tyros was.
I think it's great Yamaha has upgraded the Operating System so they could add new features and more memory to first the sequencer and now the expansion memory. I hope this is the case with the sx900 also.
The newest arranger keyboards are definitely a "bigger bang for the buck" than the previous models.
:)
Joe H
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The update coming on Winter time so there is still time for Yamaha to accomplish work on "TERCA" unless is already done.
1. Note shift to all individuals tones +/-12 separate for R1,R2,R3
2.Tuning scale individual for R1,R2,R3
3.Base note-which we already have
4. Possibility to memorized in Reg.Memory all
This is what a lot of musicians dream since a long time ago....
Thanks Yamaha
I tried SX-900 and as I tough we miss next things to have perfect ability for "USER HARMONY" :
1. Note shift to all individuals tones +/-12 separate for R1,R2,R3
2. Possibility to memorized in Reg.Memory all (including SUB scale)
With that job for "PERFECT USER HARMONY" will be finished.
There is still time until winter.
Thank you YAMAHA
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Hi
Eileen is 100% right
"No point in going back as the only way is forward.
There is no room for Luddites ;D
All the best
John
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More evidence and even a suggested demo of Genos version 2 .... Hopefully it's an OS update and not another keyboard 😁
https://www.bonnersmusic.co.uk/xperts.irs
Simon
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6th November is the date for that Yamaha XPerts event. They tell that will be also Genos v2.0 . This means this update will be launch till 6th November or it will be only for stores?! ???
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I cannot help but feel this might point to an updated genos model, with 3GB of expansion memory. Hopefully not and it is an OS update for all.
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This is an update for existing Geno owners and not a new keyboard.
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I cannot help but feel this might point to an updated genos model, with 3GB of expansion memory. Hopefully not and it is an OS update for all.
This is an update for existing Geno owners and not a new keyboard.
Are you 100% sure about that, EileenL?
Initially I also thougt so, but when read svpworld comment, I started to have doubts about that. For example, how would they get memory increased from 1,8 to 3 GB without physical hardware modification?
As Genos owner I do hope it will be software update, but until I see it demostrated .... well, keping my figres crossed :-\
Cheers
Mike
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Are you 100% sure about that, EileenL?
Initially I also thougt so, but when read svpworld comment, I started to have doubts about that. For example, how would they get memory increased from 1,8 to 3 GB without physical hardware modification?
As Genos owner I do hope it will be software update, but until I see it demostrated .... well, keping my figres crossed :-\
Cheers
Mike
Please read the entire topic before posting those affirmations ... There already have been spoken before, several times...
... For example, how would they get memory increased from 1,8 to 3 GB without physical hardware modification?
The IC (Integrated Circuits) already exist there. The memory IS there, but for some reasons it was not allocated to user needs.
They now will allocate that memory to user need. So simple! (Korg did that too ;) )
So, please, no more questions about that!
As Genos owner I do hope it will be software update...
As a Genos user, I believe (and a lot of us here) ... Do it yourself and, meantime, let's focus on other things ;)
Regards,
Vali
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This is a Software update, not a new Hardware unit.
There's many ways Yam could have expanded memory allocated to the Expansion Packs:
- Genos has an internal storage of 64Gb (eMMC) and on this single hardware memory unit, they created at least 2 partitions (or 'logical unit') : one for Expansion Wave files, and one for the System (and Factory Wave files I guess … ) , they could have resized the Partition dedicated to the Expansions Waveforms, and reduced the System Partition because they optimized their system (which is Linux based, remember… there's a lot that can be done to trim a linux distribution size …)
- Do a real-time Decompression of Waves stored in the Expansion Partition. Not easy as it could slow down the switch from one wave to another, but still doable since decompression is typically much less demanding in term of processing power than compression (which should be done ahead of time, in YEM for example). Anyway, there's always a tradeoff between the time taken to read a compressed file + decompression itself vs the time to read a larger uncompressed file … If the Genos main processor is powerful enough and the (de)compression algorithm is really optimized, the time spend on decompression could be negligible and even negated by the smaller file size !
- Do some 'housekeeping' and apply the compression on the System partition (the Linux distribution) in order to trim its size, and reallocated the gained space to the Expansion Partition. (this is in fact a 'blend' of the two previous points)
Of course, this is only speculations from me, but as an I.T. pro, it makes sense to me :)
There's a lot that can be done on the O.S. level of the Genos to really unleash the Hardware power inside !
On a personal note, I really hope they fixed the annoying (and awkward) 'multiple DSPs on one Part' bug and usability qwirks …
Wait and see, but the fact that they announced a V2.0 is really promising !
Benoit
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Genos Ton jeneratör 8 Gb
(BGA rom expansion-Nor Flash teknoloji : 8 GB)
(3GB sample+4Gb Audy Style + 1GB ?) = 8 GB
Tyros5
Tsop kılıf Nor flash max 16 çip:2 GB)
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I really can't see what all this jargon is for. It dose not really help. We know the update is coming and I am sure we will all be happy with it. End Of.
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I really can't see what all this jargon is for. It dose not really help. We know the update is coming and I am sure we will all be happy with it. End Of.
I think he wants to say, there is 8 GB in the Genos by default..
From which parts currently aren’t used.
Makes me wonder where he got this information?
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Yes, and I think he came with this information from pj's blog ( http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/ )
Regards,
Vali
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Yes, and I think he came with this information from pj's blog ( http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/ )
Regards,
Vali
a person on the forum in romania arranger and yamaha service at at on 07.04.2019
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Yes, and I think he came with this information from pj's blog ( http://sandsoftwaresound.net/swp70-tone-generator/ )
Regards,
Vali
That information does not say 8GB..
But 8Gb (bit as in small b)
Which equals 1GB
The information also says there is 2 of them, which makes for a total of 2GB
From which in os 1.4 and before about 1.8 GB was available to the user..
The Spansion S34ML08G2 8-Gb NAND device is Open NAND Flash Interface (ONFI) 1.0 compliant. The S34ML08G2 device is a dual-die stack of two S34ML04G2 die.
I can see hoe non techheads have a hard time what the quoted information from PJ’s site actually means..
So basically we are back again where we started.
There is 2GB physicall memmory in the Genos..
Meaning that to get 3GB of memmory, it requires (lossless compression)
We also know that Yamaha’s packs allready came in a lossless compression format
So this would probably mean that in Genos 2.0 yamaha’s own packs will be 50% bigger in size..
Which as Eilleen indicated makes this something that is good for people that use big 3rd party expansion packs,
like the CMS grand piano packs, or the incredible KApro packs
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Hi folks,
here is some clarification about the size of the physical Wave Flash memory inside the Genos:
There is 2 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of the Factory Voices (the two ICs 607 and 610, 1 GB each) at the Master Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 400).
And there is 4 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of Expansion Voices (the four ICs 601, 603, 605 and 606, 1 GB each) at the Slave Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 600).
Unfortunately, I do not know why yamaha does not make the full 4 GB available for Expansion Wave data with the Genos Update 2.0 (but only 3 GB) ...
Best regards,
Chris
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Unfortunately, I do not know why yamaha does not make the full 4 GB available for Expansion Wave Data with the Genos Update 2.0 (but only 3 GB) ...
Best regards,
Chris
They are probably saving it for the next GENOS 2 keyboard.
Joe H
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Thanks Bachus for clarifying ... I quite read it in a fast way and I said a wrong thing about it.... sorry for that! :) I saw "8" and I did not take care about bit and not byte ;)
Best regards,
Vali
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They are probably saving it for the next GENOS 2 keyboard.
Joe H
Perhaps for V 3.0 for this Genos ..... :)
Regards
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Perhaps for V 3.0 for this Genos ..... :)
Regards
New Korg aranger....?
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Folks, the discussion of expansion memory is getting on the nerves of other Forum members.
So, I'm starting a thread in the Yamaha General,section of the Forum. I also posted internal design info on my site http://sandsoftwaresound.net/
The discussion here really should focus on new features in V2.0 of interest to the broader member community.
Thanks -- pj
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Hi folks,
here is some clarification about the size of the physical Wave Flash memory inside the Genos:
There is 2 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of the Factory Voices (the two ICs 607 and 610, 1 GB each) at the Master Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 400).
And there is 4 GB "NAND Flash" for the Wave data of Expansion Voices (the four ICs 601, 603, 605 and 606, 1 GB each) at the Slave Tone Generator SWP70 (IC 600).
Unfortunately, I do not know why yamaha does not make the full 4 GB available for Expansion Wave data with the Genos Update 2.0 (but only 3 GB) ...
Best regards,
Chris
Maybe they are allready using this for other things?
Interesting information. I allways asumed both these where 2GB in size..
On the montage there is 8GB available.. which holds both the factory as well as the user sounds..
They have the same structure, but the seccond engine is used for FMX only..
The restrictions on the modx are only software..
Which brings me to my next question?
Why does Yamaha limit things by software at all?
But again, great info, seems we dont have to rely on compression if this is true..
To me this was new info, may i ask for a resource?
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It's a shame Yamaha canned it's Modular Synthesis Plug-In System. It would be great to install these boards in an arranger keyboard to add the VL, AN and FM synthesizers, or new drum kits... or just more polyphony (add additional 128 notes). I would think that Yamaha could design a generic (memory) plug-in card that we could load more expansion packs.
Joe H
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It's a shame Yamaha canned it's Modular Synthesis Plug-In System. It would be great to install these boards in an arranger keyboard to add the VL, AN and FM synthesizers, or new drum kits... or just more polyphony (add additional 128 notes). I would think that Yamaha could design a generic (memory) plug-in card that we could load more expansion packs.
Joe H
They should be recreating that in software.. there allready is an ipad FM app..
A good host with support for AUv3.. and the yamaha synth engines..
And then implementing them in the same way as the yammex..
Audio over usb would be perfect for a solution like this
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Dexed is a free get that runs on the cheapest laptops.it would not be difficult or expensive to add something to genos to run vst. Imagine how good that would be!
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They should be recreating that in software..
The problem I see with that is there is a limit to the hardware memory. Where as adding hardware cards would expand the capability or capacity of the keyboard existing hardware.
I guess the other option is creating a keyboard with really HUGE memory; then they could offer soft-synths as add-ons. Even if we had to pay for those soft synths it would be worth it.
How about adding a Breath Controller input as well like on the DX7 and VL keyboards and sound module.
Joe H
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The problem I see with that is there is a limit to the hardware memory. Where as adding hardware cards would expand the capability or capacity of the keyboard existing hardware.
I guess the other option is creating a keyboard with really HUGE memory; then they could offer soft-synths as add-ons. Even if we had to pay for those soft synths it would be worth it.
How about adding a Breath Controller input as well like on the DX7 and VL keyboards and sound module.
Joe H
Every investment in hardware is a costdriver which could rocket the price into the sky..
Memmory espescially huge amounts, is allready themost expensive part of these keyboards..
And i don’t expect any huge steps or pricedrops any time soon..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jmNfEX0rX8
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Found a couple of more videos about the upcoming 2.0 release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeG5ZHsdH94&t=32s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeG5ZHsdH94&t=32s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCwpXF14k0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCwpXF14k0)
/Jugge