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Title: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on August 07, 2019, 10:22:28 AM

HI everybody!

"GENOS2 "  probably will be lunched 2 years from now so probably 2021.


Please write here any your wish  and idea,sugestions.


As we know Yamaha read this forum and They already inplement a lot of wishes and ideas in past.

BEST REGARDS and Thank you YAMAHA.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on August 07, 2019, 12:42:48 PM
TERCA

Yamaha added to NEW SX-900/700  a Sub scale which is only HALF job done to have 100% perfect and accured "Terca"

To have Perfect options to have Terca this whats ned to be done in NEXT update for SX-900/700 and Next GENOS2:

1. Note shift to all individuals tones +/-12 separate for R1,R2,R3
2.Tuning scale individual for R1,R2,R3 (SUB scale in new SX-900/700)
3.Base note-which we already have
4. Posability to memorized in Reg.Memory all

Something as this picture show:
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ckobu on August 09, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
Thanks metcam. Great theme and even better suggestion for "terce". Adjusting tones using halftones is very similar to the HARMONY we already have in Genos. This way they could do their "own Harmony Duet" that is not in the factory settings.

I have a proposal related to the Playlist view. I have over 600 playlists and it is hard to make quick selections at a live performance. For example, when I am at number 105, I have to click many times to get to 420. Choosing a number from a list with a Data Dial circle is not precise enough and is not practical. I suggest the following solution. It would be great if the Playlists main screen on the right hand side has dialing. (picture) So we could instantly pick up the Playlist number we need. List edit (Add Record) can be in the drop-down menu because we use it when we're not in a live performance situation.

This is my small suggestion and suggestion for improvement. I believe other members of the forum will be involved with their suggestions. I am sure that Yamaha, as it has done so far, will upgrade the new models with options that customers need.

Best regards, ckobu
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: 3dc on August 09, 2019, 02:24:57 PM
I really hope they put "Make a hit song for me" button.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: beykock on August 09, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
The new Korg PA5X might be a very helpful and useful source of inspiration to make your Genos2 wish list. 🔔

But ... it might be possible the Genos2 will arrive earlier than the PA5X ... time will tell.

Babette
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ckobu on August 10, 2019, 12:41:33 AM
I really hope they put "Make a hit song for me" button.  ;D ;D

Good to introduce yourself and write "complete newbie in music scene" (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50899.0.html).  ;)
Everyone who has been following this forum for a long time knows that Yamaha is closely following everything written here. So it's funny when you say, "Make a hit song for me" button.

The Yamaha team has upgraded keyboards many times by reading suggestions from this forum. So thank you Yamaha. That's why we buy Yamaha, not Casio (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,51017.msg399049.html#msg399049).   :P

Just a month ago, @valimates wanted to have a Tempo Reset function (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50544.msg394973.html#msg394973). And the SX900 came with that feature.  8)
Some time ago @metcam requested the  PORTAMENTO (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,33627.0.html) function. Miracles, Genos has just that function, it's just called MONO LEGATO. There are many examples of this, from the 76-key keyboard (Tyros5), touch screen or Joystick (Genos, SX).
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on August 10, 2019, 10:43:01 AM



The Yamaha team has upgraded keyboards many times by reading suggestions from this forum. So thank you Yamaha. That's why we buy Yamaha, not Casio (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,51017.msg399049.html#msg399049).   :P

.


 BINGO!!!
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: EileenL on August 10, 2019, 11:34:03 AM
Why on earth would a Korg PAX5 be mentioned on a Genos2 wish list. Have you got shares in Korg  Babette.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: beykock on August 10, 2019, 12:52:02 PM
Hi Eileen :

Years ago Korg came with a touch screen and a joystick.
Even with a " tiltable " touch screen ...

In the past you NEVER liked arranger keyboards with touch screens. Remember ?

Apparently you changed your mind since Yamaha introduced their touch screen and their joystick ( instead of the
2 wheels ).🔔

It might be possible other Korg features will be installed ( like a " tiltable " touch screen e.g. ) in the next
 Yamaha arrangers, why not ?

Take care, Babette
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on August 10, 2019, 01:00:45 PM

 STYLE CREATOR:

 We need OCTAVE  -2/+2 posability for all channels in style creator.

 We have now OCTAVE trough High Key/Note Limit which is slow and complicated for many people.




Regards
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: EileenL on August 10, 2019, 01:39:49 PM
Years ago touch screens were very small and I did not like the idea of one on my Yamaha. But the genos screen is quite large and works very well so had to change my mind as I wanted all the rest of the goodies that comes with it. I don't think there would be an advantage to having it tilt though.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: beykock on August 10, 2019, 03:46:13 PM
Hi :

I should not be surprised the Yamaha touch screen will become tiltable in the near future. Never say never. We simply do not know ( yet ).

IMHO it might be useful if people want to play outside ?

Also another Korg feature ain't so bad : playing chords in intro's and endings. A nice feature, right ?

There is nothing better than the Yamaha Genos sound quality for the time being. Everybody does agree, I guess.

We recently have been told by a member called Qui, a Dutch Genos and PA4X owner and pro musician,  the sound of the latest Korg styles has been improved a lot.

One expects their sound quality might be much better in the near future ( PA5X ? ) than ever before. Just speculation or true ? Time will tell.

I think nobody will deny Korg are very serious competitors but up to now they do not produce plug-and-play arrangers like Yamaha.
It seems Korg players need a lot of time before they know all ins and outs of their arranger.

On the other hand all their updates and new styles are always free of charge.

Best regards, Babette
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ckobu on August 10, 2019, 06:52:08 PM
Babette, Eilen
Why do some topics completely lose their purpose?
It's simple, because the title of the topic does not read and follows its meaning.  ;)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: soryt on August 10, 2019, 08:21:45 PM
Wish list Genos
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: beykock on August 10, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
Hi Ckobu :

You are absolutely right. I fully agree.

Plse ask a moderator of this forum to remove my comments if you do not believe our main competitor might be a good source of inspiration to add some new features and/or improvements to the present Yamaha highend arranger.

Only a moderator can remove my comments.Not me, sorry.

Best wishes, Babette

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: EileenL on August 10, 2019, 11:57:14 PM
Competitor keyboards should have no part in discussing what we want to see on the next update.
  Do not think Yamaha would want to hear about putting content on from them. We were asked what Yamaha additions we would like to see on the next flag ship. I would like to see Chord Looper and a little more memory.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ekurburski on August 11, 2019, 02:49:04 AM
I want integrated DAW ("Yamaha does own Cubase) with ability to add unlimited vsts.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on August 11, 2019, 12:34:56 PM
MIDI & STYLE play at same time:


Right now we have: MIDI play and style play at same time , MIDI stop style continue play, MIDI start again automaticly style STOP.

We need: MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.


Thank you Yamaha.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Enildo on August 11, 2019, 02:12:25 PM
Years ago touch screens were very small and I did not like the idea of one on my Yamaha. But the genos screen is quite large and works very well so had to change my mind as I wanted all the rest of the goodies that comes with it. I don't think there would be an advantage to having it tilt though.

Hello Eileen

When yamaha launches the tiltable display you will agree and say it is good.

Enildo
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Enildo on August 11, 2019, 02:24:18 PM
Competitor keyboards should have no part in discussing what we want to see on the next update.
  Do not think Yamaha would want to hear about putting content on from them. We were asked what Yamaha additions we would like to see on the next flag ship. I would like to see Chord Looper and a little more memory.

I think it's okay to cite model enhancements from other companies. The Joystick, chord looper and touch screen were launched by korg and yamaha had to surrender to these features otherwise it would be left behind in time. The forum is for yamaha keyboard discussions, of course, but there's no harm in quoting here Roland, Cassio, Korg, Ketron, etc. If we are only within our world and have no extra references, the tendency is to be left behind. Other companies also make improvements based on what yamaha owns.

Enildo
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: EileenL on August 11, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
At the moment Enildo I am quite happy with the screen being fixed. Whether it tilts or not you would still need shading in bright sunlight as we did with the Tyros 5.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Enildo on August 11, 2019, 03:30:16 PM
Eileen, our problem is that we are always running after the icing on the cake.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on August 15, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
SONG POSITIONS BOOTONS:

Since Yamaha rise song to 3MB now we need more "SONG POSITIONS markers"

It would be nice if Yamaha make in GENOS2 a minimum 8 or even better 12 of SONG POSITIONS markers:

Something like this:
Title: Controling the song/midi vs parts volume
Post by: latingate on September 01, 2019, 06:53:05 PM
Controling the balance between the volume of style/song and the parts played manually.
1) using the foot expression pedal
2) using a midi foot controller (with expression pedal)
3) using an on board fader
Title: PDF support
Post by: latingate on September 01, 2019, 07:00:16 PM
Possibility to connect pdf files in addition to txt files
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Jean-Pierre 33 on September 02, 2019, 02:56:24 PM
Hello everyone,

Many members here are not concerned but for the future Genos, i would like the screen of Genos offers two keyboard modes QZERTY and AZERTY so the user French or Belgian will be able to choose between these two modes. Windows does it well.
This could even be proposed in a future update of the current Genos.

Thank you in advance to Mr. Yamaha.

Best regards

Jean-Pierre 33
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on September 06, 2019, 01:05:34 PM
TERCA

Yamaha added to NEW SX-900/700  a Sub scale which is only HALF job done to have 100% perfect and accured "Terca"

To have Perfect options to have Terca this whats Ned to be done in NEXT update for SX-900/700 and Next GENOS2:

1. Note shift to all individuals tones +/-12 separate for R1,R2,R3
2.Tuning scale individual for R1,R2,R3 (SUB scale in new SX-900/700)
3.Base note-which we already have
4. Posability to memorized in Reg.Memory all

Something as this picture show:

A lot of my friend musicians agree with this topic that is key for GENOS2 or even GENOS1 with update or SX-900/700 to increase sale in Western Europe/Balkan and all around world …….
So really we expect Yamaha to go to next move...  :)

Thanks Yamaha.

Best regards to all musicians from everywere.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metsasarv on September 09, 2019, 08:28:12 PM
I would like better compatibility with the MPE midi standard to use  ROLI RISE49 as a second keyboard, but directly in  Yamaha midi,  without the need of a computer.
I would look forward to more open system  for new sounds, vst-s ex like SWAM-like editable sax, flute etc.
More simple ways to use other controllers, like breath controller to  play Yamahas new, fully editable, built-in  5D instruments :-)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: DerekA on September 10, 2019, 01:42:33 PM
Full onboard sound editing, as is currently done in YEM, but using a UI as per the montage/modx.

The structure is the same - 8 elements per voice/sound/part - it would relatively easy I reckon and be a strong feature.
Title: Dial up - USER setting
Post by: ckobu on September 11, 2019, 12:03:08 PM
When there is no function selected and when we turn the Dial up wheel, nothing happens. It would be useful if we could select one function that would be the basis for Dial up. I would definitely choose Tempo because I use it most often. If you then manually select another function such as sound, rhythm or volume, Dial up will change that value.
I believe that this option would not be a problem to incorporate into an existing OS in Genos.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Audrey Turner on October 06, 2019, 12:07:40 AM
Hello Everyone,

I've been following the discussion on the 'Tilt' screen and I think it is vital for people like myself who  play at Senior Homes because the Home I play at regularly, use their large conservatory which means most of the time the sun is shining on the area allocated to my keyboard and although I liked the Genos (particularly the R-n-R styles) I only kept it two weeks before trading it in for another Tyros 5 with it's lovely CLEAR TO READ 'TILTING SCREEN'  and I have no regrets at all.   However if Yamaha can see their way clear to putting a screen as good as the Tyros 5 on the Genos in the future, then I could possibly be persuaded to do another trade-in.   "Each to his own" as the saying goes. 

Audrey Turner

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Seagull29 on November 01, 2019, 08:30:56 PM
Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men ! On the Tyros 5, there were buttons to access the functions but I can not imagine how a blind man  can do with a touch screen!
Greetings and a good week end
Seagull29

PS/ and if possible, a REAL STYLE CREATOR !!!!!!
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Fred Smith on November 01, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men ! On the Tyros 5, there were buttons to access the functions but I can not imagine how a blind man  can do with a touch screen!

You need to check out Toril’s posts. She had the same concerns as she has only 5% vision. But after getting a good deal on a Genos, and giving it a try, she loves the touchscreen.

Actual experience is much better than conjecture
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ckobu on November 03, 2019, 08:13:08 AM
I think this is a bug that Yamaha should fix. This is a problem when activating VH always shuts off the microphone DSP insert.
I have described it in this thread,
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52379.0.html (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52379.0.html)

and I will enclose a video showing it here.
https://youtu.be/wwWbcfvUITA (https://youtu.be/wwWbcfvUITA)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on November 03, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
Hi,
just a suggestion but of importance: that the designers of the next Genos think of the blind men !  ......

The Voice Guide feature for Genos may be for a great help.

Quote from the info:

When Voice Guide is active, the instrument gives audible information on the current display or operation being executed, allowing those who have visual impairments to enjoy playing and using the instrument. The following information can be heard when using the Voice Guide function.

- You can operate the instrument while hearing the information shown in the display.
- You can recognize the display called up, the function being executed, and the parameter value you’ve set.
- You can recognize the preset Voice names, preset Style names, preset Song names, and preset Registration Bank names, etc.
- You can recognize display messages.
- You can recognize the button names on the control panel.


https://europe.yamaha.com/files/download/software/8/1178118/genos_voice_guide_en_tu_b0_text.zip

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: bernamato on November 07, 2019, 04:41:49 PM
The arranger plays mechanical due to pattern based.
I imagine an improvement on this matter. It could be useful to play the style in which, for example, the bass part play, every bar, a little different, with a different pattern in the same tonality/chord. A kind of "round Robin" applied to the pattern and not to a velocity.
bets regards,
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: bernamato on November 07, 2019, 04:47:08 PM
Another improvement could be a sync style/midi/song at our choice.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: pjd on November 08, 2019, 12:38:37 AM
How about the euphonium from Montage? It's sweet for New Orleans-style jazz.

-- pj
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on November 08, 2019, 03:18:20 AM
Just a month ago, @valimates wanted to have a Tempo Reset function (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50544.msg394973.html#msg394973). And the SX900 came with that feature.  8)
Some time ago @metcam requested the  PORTAMENTO (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,33627.0.html) function. Miracles, Genos has just that function, it's just called MONO LEGATO. There are many examples of this, from the 76-key keyboard (Tyros5), touch screen or Joystick (Genos, SX).

I suggested to Yamaha that the Live Control settings and the specific values of the Live Control parameters be saved in a registration.. Yamaha had to re-write the OS to do that... and that's what they did... and added a touch screen too (which many users wanted)  Now it's possible for Yamaha to add new features with the new OS.

I also suggested here on the forum that the Multi Pads be added to the Mixing Console, and include all the parameters that are available for the style Parts and Song Parts. That's coming with the v2.0 update for Genos.

I think the old OS made it impossible for Yamaha to respond to many of our requests.

 8)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: overover on November 11, 2019, 10:47:10 AM
How about the euphonium from Montage? It's sweet for New Orleans-style jazz. ...

Hi pj,

since a Euphonium is similar to a Baritone Horn:

Did you already try those Voices on Genos, for example "BaritoneHornLong", "BaritoneHorn Ten" (Tenuto) and maybe "BassTromboneTenuto" (all in Brass category) as well as "BaritoneHorn" in the Legacy Brass category?

(There is also a "BassTromboneTenuto" in EnsemblePart Brass category.)


Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: pjd on November 11, 2019, 06:50:58 PM
Since a Euphonium is similar to a Baritone Horn:

Did you already try those Voices on Genos, for example "BaritoneHornLong", "BaritoneHorn Ten" (Tenuto) and maybe "BassTromboneTenuto" (all in Brass category) as well as "BaritoneHorn" in the Legacy Brass category?

(There is also a "BassTromboneTenuto" in EnsemblePart Brass category.)

Hi Chris --

Yep, I tried those Genos voices. I have the MODX and Genos side-by-side. The Montage/MODX euphonium is pretty darned good! Other Genos players would surely benefit if Yamaha added it to Genos. Shucks, they already have the samples and the voice programming...

BTW, I gig with the MODX. Although it's got the euphonium, the Genos clarinets beat the MODX hands down. You can't always get what you want.  :)

All the best -- pj

P.S. More about this at: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/just-like-starting-over/
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metcam on December 08, 2019, 10:43:50 PM
MIDI & STYLE play at same time:


Right now we have: MIDI play and style play at same time , MIDI stop style continue play, MIDI start again automaticly style STOP.

We need: MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.


Thank you Yamaha.

Song Syncro Start Off/On realy neded for all players who use MIDI songs and style together for play. At this moment on Genos and SX is almost perfect ,just need a little  to complete that functions:

MIDI play and style play at same time,MIDI stop style continue play,Midi start again style ""CONTINUE"" play.

Here is video how  to use MIDI + style .:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKMvv2Gz6ng&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2QLA5bxFzJUG5p5LRl_GRA0GXPh8FP5SyMdPuJp6Gd0Ld9s0XCk0of5Zc

Regards

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: soundphase on December 23, 2019, 09:03:14 AM
Arpeggios are rich for EDM music.

I understand there's no meaning for Harmony feature. But I would like the arpeggio feature to be extended for the left voice to become a target for arpeggios (Assign = left).

Soundphase.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Linson on January 13, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
I would like to have 6 or 8 multi pads instead of 4 of them.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Enildo on January 13, 2020, 06:30:53 PM
I would like to have 6 or 8 multi pads instead of 4 of them.

This subject has already been discussed here. What I understand is that the keyboard has 16 midis channels (between style tracks, voices, pads, etc) and each pad consumes one channel. 4 Pads = 4 Midi trails.
The solution would be to increase the number of midi channels from 16 to 24. Even this increase in channels would solve other problems with Midi as well.

Enildo
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: soundphase on January 14, 2020, 06:13:47 AM
AWM3 sound engine, with the same kind of algorithm than the one used for new drums on Genos 1, allowing the sound to be slightly different even if velocity and after touch parameters are identical.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Luluc on February 04, 2020, 06:53:13 PM
GENOS AUDIO RECORDING MONITOR OPTION

For a same song, when you do several takes of audio recording, it should be fine to have an option to keep the setting of the level of Input Monitor.

At present time, each time to hit REC, you have to set the level of Input monitoring. That is boring and not ergonomic at all.
For people do not wanting that, the option could be unticked.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: metsasarv on February 04, 2020, 07:48:08 PM
I miss the possibility to play the keyboard without unnecessarily tiring my eyes. The instrument should have a so-called Dark Mode, Dark Theme. Possibility of both the screen and the lights on the buttons dimmed out with fine-tuning until completely off. For example, this would allow me to play the piano in a darker room without tiring my eyes with LEDs. Currently I sometimes use a towel placed on the instrument. Of course, this mode should not be saved for the next time you turn it on, so as not to cause confusion.
In addition -
  Please dont judge me if this already works, but I would like to know the easiest way to split the upper part as three separate instrument zones - and save it to the registration memory.
In addition, a couple of former wishes - easier integration with MPE midi to plug in direct  Seabord Rise49
In addition, the ability to use various vst plugins, such as SWAM cellos and so on
Thank You ..
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST GENOS - CUBASE - tighter fit.
Post by: markstyles on February 17, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
If you would like a feature, that a competing Keyboard has (like Korg)  I think it's ok to mention it.  Especially if you can think of a enhancement to it. This let's let's Yamaha know, that former Korg users, might 'migrate' over to Yamaha.

For instance I had a Korg a while ago, with a decently large screen, and found it much more useful, then Yamaha's buttons. Yamaha needed to 'catch up with the Jones'

Another example is Yamaha's DAW - Cubase (they bought it up a while ago)  uses a 'chord' track. Something which Apple in it's ultimate arrogance, refuses to think is helpful. 

My wish is that Yamaha does what Apple did with Logic Pro.  Make Yamaha arrangers, fit hand in glove with Cubase.  AND GIVE GENOS owners a 'cross grade' price to upgrade to top of the Cubase line.  That's one reason why Apple customers put up with the higher price.   Anything Apple is going to work perfectly with anything else by Apple.   
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Fred Smith on February 17, 2020, 03:59:28 PM
  Please dont judge me if this already works, but I would like to know the easiest way to split the upper part as three separate instrument zones - and save it to the registration memory.

This is done by setting the proper split points (Left, R1+R2, R3). To save in a registration, the Style group must be checked.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: markstyles on February 18, 2020, 04:27:17 PM
I would really like to see the ability to edit the drum sounds on the Genos itself. If I'm in a recording session, and I need to tune, shorten the drums, it is much too awkward to pull out a computer, set up and go thru the ritual.  Need to edit drums in the Genos.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: markstyles on February 18, 2020, 04:30:14 PM
I would really like to see the ability to edit the drum sounds on the Genos itself. If I'm in a recording session, and I need to tune, shorten the drums, it is much too awkward to pull out a computer, set up and go thru the ritual.  Need to edit drums in the Genos.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: DerekA on February 18, 2020, 04:55:43 PM
? Have you tried the 'drum setup' feature in the Style Creator?
Title: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Brnjeuska74 on February 25, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
hello, for those of us who travel by plane …. beside all of the above.... size matter …. I simply don't understand why we have that extra body (like a handle) on Genos. It could be cut right to the key's on each side. That my friends is a problem for me and others who have to travel by plane. Size and weight is a problem ( I am aware of the light case for Genos)

Someone has mention Korg products (Pa4... etc) for those who can see bigger picture and ideas ...it's like never wanted to try different food or go to school to learn more. I do believe Yamaha is company that wants to be recognized and have markets everywhere, that being said … reality is that it is not always the most practical product to chose. I just had to get that off of my chest. Thank you all and especially metcam [/b]for being the progressive.   
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 10, 2020, 04:44:16 AM
Someone deleted my post about this topic quite some time ago..

But here we go again...

All the features of the modx..which would allow you to create nultiple splits with multiple layers.. with multiple arps and even have FM sounds... and make the bosendorfer a standard sound..  also FM sounds.. basically, this would be the advanced option, normal mode would still be 123R and 1L

Normal key with, still dont get it why Yamaha keys are smaller then all other brands,..

The reface CS synth engine...

The Organ engines of the reface YC and the new YC61

The Piano VCM engine of the CP series

The launchpad feature of Ketron

Onboard sound edditing and creation, also on board package management.. 

An ipad app, for edditing styles and songs, including piano roll

Other features of the ipad app, host for AUv3 sounds, sheetmusic reader build and much much more,,..

Audio over USB feature

The DAW integration of the Montage..

More onboard memory for samples..

Even more dsp power.. atleast 2 effects/sounds

Improved vocal harmony..

Improved style engine supporting true audio tracks and guitars like ketron does..
Being able to add more then 8+1 tracks to a style
Advanced AI features that make the accompaniments more dynamic..
Being able to convert songs/midi files to styles(korg pa4x)
True orchestral styles..  with multiple violins and cellos’ and such

8 multipads, so you could have 2 banks loaded at the same time
Dsp power (effects) for the multipads

Being able to load and create arps... onboard .. with sepperate arps/track

An orchestral mode... which would work much like the ensembles... (multi division) you would have like 16 violins spreading over the played notes.. and 8 cello’s...   

Being able to save OTS as sepperate iitems in a searchable database... so basically you would have all your OTS settings of all your styles archieved in one place...  its what korg calls keyboard sets on pa4x

A 12” tiltable screen..

A modulation wheel and a touchstrip next to the joystick..

Being able to connect 2 expression pedals..  and a 3 part piano pedal..

Full onboard support for a lower manual..  including sepperate voices to assign to a lower manual..
Even better would be an optional lower manual and pedals to turn Genos is a true organ..



And the list goes on..



And even tough i truely enjoy my Genos..
There is so much room for improvement..
And yes, i realise yamaha cant implement all these..
But it gives them a list to pick from..


I also think we will not see a Genos before end 2022 maybe even 2023
5 or 6 years between instruments seems to become the standard..



Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: DerekA on March 10, 2020, 02:07:02 PM
Just throwing you a crumb, Bachus - if you are missing the mod wheel, the modulation +/- can be assigned to one of the 6 knobs. Not quite the same as a wheel, but a little easier to use than the joystick + hold button.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Toril S on March 10, 2020, 02:09:51 PM
No need for a Genos 2, just update what we have. Much better for the environment, - and for the pocket book! :)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on March 10, 2020, 03:06:30 PM
... And the list goes on...

I doubt we will see many (if any) of those upgrades in a Yamaha arranger. What is probably possible with a firmware update is... expanded  capabilities with Live Control, expanded options for the foot pedal (live control) more arpeggios and even an arp editor to create your own user arps. Sounds like you should buy a Yamaha synth like the Montage or MODX to go with your Genos.

We have talked about the hypothetical synth-arranger before.  I'm satisfied with my FM, AN and VL plug-in synths, Motif Rack XS, Proteus 1000 upgraded to the 2.26 firmware with 16 live arpeggiators with User Arps (and software to edit and create new arps). The Peavey PC1600x hardware MIDI controller with 16 programmable faders is an awesome tool that enhances my sound modules capabilities with remote sysex control.

I've also purchased the Phat Analog, Magic Dance, Analog Xperience and Dreamscapes expansion packs from Easy Sounds. These packs give me some great synth Voices, drum kits, new styles and hundreds of new Multi Pads. Maybe one day I will upgrade to the sx900... that would be the icing on the cake (for me anyway)

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 10, 2020, 04:11:28 PM
I doubt we will see many (if any) of those upgrades in a Yamaha arranger. What is probably possible with a firmware update is... expanded  capabilities with Live Control, expanded options for the foot pedal (live control) more arpeggios and even an arp editor to create your own user arps. Sounds like you should buy a Yamaha synth like the Montage or MODX to go with your Genos.

We have talked about the hypothetical synth-arranger before.  I'm satisfied with my FM, AN and VL plug-in synths, Motif Rack XS, Proteus 1000 upgraded to the 2.26 firmware with 16 live arpeggiators with User Arps (and software to edit and create new arps). The Peavey PC1600x hardware MIDI controller with 16 programmable faders is an awesome tool that enhances my sound modules capabilities with remote sysex control.

I've also purchased the Phat Analog, Magic Dance, Analog Xperience and Dreamscapes expansion packs from Easy Sounds. These packs give me some great synth Voices, drum kits, new styles and hundreds of new Multi Pads. Maybe one day I will upgrade to the sx900... that would be the icing on the cake (for me anyway)

 ;)

Joe H

Currently i get all my synth needs from my ipad..
To bad Yamaha does not invest in an app that allows the Genos to integrate with DAW or IPAD..
This could add so much to the Genos..


Where it comes to Genos firmware updates.
I agree with you
- more controlls..also for external instruments
- full access to all msb/lsb banks for external use with synth hardware
- an option to just add ban and program changes (midi out) instead of an internal sound (or both)
- more asignable functions
- more arps, including an editor, or atleast an option to load montage arps
- onboard editor and sound creation tools, access to edit and create sa sounds and open up the indepth features of the AWM2 engine
- savable OTS sets
- better access to dsp management
- making the bosendorfer samples available
- also adding the organs of the YC reface, as they are AWM based(farfisa/church/combo/japanese home, including an interface like the 3 current drawbar instrument)
- an expansion pack with synth sounds

Lots of room for improvements of the current genos firmware..


Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: EileenL on March 10, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
My with all this stuff added when do you get time just to sit down and play the instrument and even record a song we can all enjoy.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on March 10, 2020, 05:32:40 PM
My with all this stuff added when do you get time just to sit down and play the instrument and even record a song we can all enjoy.

We all use our keyboard in a different way.  I play all the time, but it's my original music.  I don't play other peoples' music. I like lots of different sounds and the added expressiveness of being able to manipulate the sounds as well. It's a matter of whatever brings us pleasure.

"To each his own"

 :)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 10, 2020, 10:33:06 PM
My with all this stuff added when do you get time just to sit down and play the instrument and even record a song we can all enjoy.

Probably never..

I play only with my headset on..
For my own enjoyment, and stress relieve..

As soon as i need to play for others (which i tried many time sin the past)
I get extremely nervous..
So i decided its not worth the fuzz and a nervbreak to play for others or record myself
I play music as a stressreleive from the office, and not as something that causes me stress

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on March 10, 2020, 11:09:31 PM
... full access to all msb/lsb banks for external use with synth hardware...

Yes, currently Yamaha arrangers only support the MSB/LSB used by the keyboard... including the MSB 063 for expansion Voices. 

I bought a midi solutions "Event Processor" which allows you to remap the MSB to different MSB. I did this for my Analog plug-in card which uses the MSB 036.  I created a "dummy pack" for 2 AN card Voice Banks.  When I select the (dummy pack) Voices from my S970, the keyboard transmits MSB 063 and the Event Processor changes that to 036.  It works great.  I haven't tried it yet, but if you choose LSB for your dummy pack different than your regular expansion packs , then I think it is possible to remap both the MSB and LSB to match any external instrument. You can program the Event Processor to remap up to 16 MIDI messages for different external instruments. The programming is done in the Rich Text Format (RTF).

Event Processor for 16 MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm (http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm)

There is also the Event Processor Plus - processes 32 differnt MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm (http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 11, 2020, 06:39:02 AM
Yes, currently Yamaha arrangers only support the MSB/LSB used by the keyboard... including the MSB 063 for expansion Voices. 

I bought a midi solutions "Event Processor" which allows you to remap the MSB to different MSB. I did this for my Analog plug-in card which uses the MSB 036.  I created a "dummy pack" for 2 AN card Voice Banks.  When I select the (dummy pack) Voices from my S970, the keyboard transmits MSB 063 and the Event Processor changes that to 036.  It works great.  I haven't tried it yet, but if you choose LSB for your dummy pack different than your regular expansion packs , then I think it is possible to remap both the MSB and LSB to match any external instrument. You can program the Event Processor to remap up to 16 MIDI messages for different external instruments. The programming is done in the Rich Text Format (RTF).

Event Processor for 16 MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm (http://www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm)

There is also the Event Processor Plus - processes 32 differnt MIDI events

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm (http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm)

Joe H

Thanks, good tip looks like a usefull workaround..

On the ipad i am using camelot pro as a work around...
It works kind of like a middleman..
On the mac, mainstage kind of solved this for me..

But it would be nice if yamaha started opening up Genos a little more..
Its still build very much build around the stand alone mentality..
It misses quite a lot of things to be considered a true master controller.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on March 11, 2020, 04:37:10 PM
... It misses quite a lot of things to be considered a true master controller.

I agree completely. The Genos has great potential to be a master controller keyboard.  Yamaha just has to take the next step. Slowly the buyers of arranger keyboards are changing and demanding more capabilities and features. When there is enough of us... Yamaha will respond to the market.

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 11, 2020, 10:19:06 PM
I agree completely. The Genos has great potential to be a master controller keyboard.  Yamaha just has to take the next step. Slowly the buyers of arranger keyboards are changing and demanding more capabilities and features. When there is enough of us... Yamaha will respond to the market.

Joe H

Actually they have moving in that direction..
But sadly with the speed of an old snail..
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on March 11, 2020, 11:21:29 PM
 ;D   :)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Zaurafon on March 11, 2020, 11:54:17 PM
Yamaha Genos V2.0.1 Bugs & Problems And some shortcomings

1. If you drop all the sliders down and restart the button you will see that all the parameters will be 100 except for Song A.

2. If you put two or three Insert effects in one voice and change a parameter to all effects and save it to the registration memory, you will see that it will save only the parameters from the last effect you have selected will reset to default Mode. That is, 40 as it originally was. This problem is valid from version 1.40 onwards. That is, the sound I saved before version 1.40 Everything works fine.

3. Does not store sounds in OTS with two or three Insert effects. That is, do I have to select a sound that does not have more than one effect to put it in OTS? I don't think that makes sense.

4. Drum Setup at Style Creator No more than 70 Drum Kits from Expansion. And what he brings out is in order. I have my own packages, I have purchased packages, and I have a lot of REX Files and I can't use them in Drum Setup. and it would be a good idea to put together a list search like the previous models. Imagine turning the washer until you find what you want.

5. I would like to create a style and use a mega voice bass to be able to write on a channel and Play and Slide Gliss And Noise which is in the upper octave after the C6 note. That is to say, if I write on one channel all that changing chord will change the top notes C6 And up While this should be a fix. As in the factory. The factory rhythms are so written while not allowing us to do so why?

6. We'd like to add us to Style Creator Different Signatures in any Variations. Or at least in Fills We can write at least 2 Measure.

7. To the style creator In the Assembly option We can copy Rhythm1-2 paste to any other bank of the same type and upside down.

8. Please add CASM Editor to Style Creator. Why not have the option of writing as factory rates are written?

9. The MP3 player from the first version to this day has problems. Example if I have say 100 songs in the stick from the 100 to 70 and they will appear in the Playlist And from those 70 again it will bug me in some songs.

10. We would like to add the Link Volume Level feature to the mixer. This would help us to mix the rhythms and songs quickly and correctly. That is, they happen to give me a rhythm that is written much louder than the factory rhythm; this would help to lower the sound quickly and efficiently.

11. In Scale Tune we would like Cent to go + -99. So that we can make sounds like Terca, for example. As it is now + -64 Except for the Arabic ladder it doesn't help us in anything.

12. Add to the MultiPad Creator, the Quantize option. As it would be great for Style Creator to add the export To MultiPad option to one of the channels.

13. We can set the Volume on each Pad separately in MultiPads. As is the case with Audio Link MultiPad. In MultiPads Change EQ parameters. The Insert effects feature. And the option in the settings can work as a start stop on the Pads. That is, the first push plays the Pad, the second push stops the Pad.

14. We'd like to voice in Legato Portamento in Poly Mode. This helps in the Reality of the violin. As an example of Oriental Strings.
And Fix Portamento Time In Crossfade Mode. That is when you have Portamento Time Indicator 0 There is a great Timing Between the two notes, While it should normally pass faster and sharply.

15. Make editing option among Insert effects. That is, if I have put in two or three effects in a sound and want to change parameters in one of the effects, I first have to close the effect and reopen it so that I can select it. Otherwise I can only tease out the last effect I have added to Echo. In a nutshell if I want to go back to the first effect I've added and edit a parameter I need to get Mixer, effects, Assign Part Settings, find the effect I want to edit, close it and reopen it so I can tease after the parameters)))

16. Add the option when in home mode We can set the washer where we want it. Example BPM tempo shift. Why do I press the tempo button first and then turn the washer?

Yamaha Expansion Manager

17. Add Element Copy Paste From Another Voice. That is, I have a sound ready and I want to get an Element And put it in another sound that I make to not load the samples again An One.

18. Why can't I edit Rom Sounds? Example to Change Note Range Ή to Change Velocity Range? That I could tease up to PSR 9000, Tyros1-2-4 Here's why I can't do these things?

19. And I would add Sample Edit, Loop Edit. Just examples I have some sounds that have not been set Right or Loops, How can I fix if I don't have the original samples In SF2 format or Wave, AIFF?))) In Motif and Montage Again there is good John Melas. Who will help us here?)))
Let's add at least export In SF2 format So we can do something.

20. I would like to add the Note Relase feature. That is, letting the note reproduce the sound. This exists in factory sounds because it doesn't exist in users?

21. We want to define the Elements The Art 1-2-3 buttons. Why Do I Have Three Useless Buttons When Using User Sounds?
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 12, 2020, 06:40:20 AM
Yamaha Genos V2.0.1 Bugs & Problems And some shortcomings

1. If you drop all the sliders down and restart the button you will see that all the parameters will be 100 except for Song A.

2. If you put two or three Insert effects in one voice and change a parameter to all effects and save it to the registration memory, you will see that it will save only the parameters from the last effect you have selected will reset to default Mode. That is, 40 as it originally was. This problem is valid from version 1.40 onwards. That is, the sound I saved before version 1.40 Everything works fine.

3. Does not store sounds in OTS with two or three Insert effects. That is, do I have to select a sound that does not have more than one effect to put it in OTS? I don't think that makes sense.

4. Drum Setup at Style Creator No more than 70 Drum Kits from Expansion. And what he brings out is in order. I have my own packages, I have purchased packages, and I have a lot of REX Files and I can't use them in Drum Setup. and it would be a good idea to put together a list search like the previous models. Imagine turning the washer until you find what you want.

5. I would like to create a style and use a mega voice bass to be able to write on a channel and Play and Slide Gliss And Noise which is in the upper octave after the C6 note. That is to say, if I write on one channel all that changing chord will change the top notes C6 And up While this should be a fix. As in the factory. The factory rhythms are so written while not allowing us to do so why?

6. We'd like to add us to Style Creator Different Signatures in any Variations. Or at least in Fills We can write at least 2 Measure.

7. To the style creator In the Assembly option We can copy Rhythm1-2 paste to any other bank of the same type and upside down.

8. Please add CASM Editor to Style Creator. Why not have the option of writing as factory rates are written?

9. The MP3 player from the first version to this day has problems. Example if I have say 100 songs in the stick from the 100 to 70 and they will appear in the Playlist And from those 70 again it will bug me in some songs.

10. We would like to add the Link Volume Level feature to the mixer. This would help us to mix the rhythms and songs quickly and correctly. That is, they happen to give me a rhythm that is written much louder than the factory rhythm; this would help to lower the sound quickly and efficiently.

11. In Scale Tune we would like Cent to go + -99. So that we can make sounds like Terca, for example. As it is now + -64 Except for the Arabic ladder it doesn't help us in anything.

12. Add to the MultiPad Creator, the Quantize option. As it would be great for Style Creator to add the export To MultiPad option to one of the channels.

13. We can set the Volume on each Pad separately in MultiPads. As is the case with Audio Link MultiPad. In MultiPads Change EQ parameters. The Insert effects feature. And the option in the settings can work as a start stop on the Pads. That is, the first push plays the Pad, the second push stops the Pad.

14. We'd like to voice in Legato Portamento in Poly Mode. This helps in the Reality of the violin. As an example of Oriental Strings.
And Fix Portamento Time In Crossfade Mode. That is when you have Portamento Time Indicator 0 There is a great Timing Between the two notes, While it should normally pass faster and sharply.

15. Make editing option among Insert effects. That is, if I have put in two or three effects in a sound and want to change parameters in one of the effects, I first have to close the effect and reopen it so that I can select it. Otherwise I can only tease out the last effect I have added to Echo. In a nutshell if I want to go back to the first effect I've added and edit a parameter I need to get Mixer, effects, Assign Part Settings, find the effect I want to edit, close it and reopen it so I can tease after the parameters)))

16. Add the option when in home mode We can set the washer where we want it. Example BPM tempo shift. Why do I press the tempo button first and then turn the washer?

Yamaha Expansion Manager

17. Add Element Copy Paste From Another Voice. That is, I have a sound ready and I want to get an Element And put it in another sound that I make to not load the samples again An One.

18. Why can't I edit Rom Sounds? Example to Change Note Range Ή to Change Velocity Range? That I could tease up to PSR 9000, Tyros1-2-4 Here's why I can't do these things?

19. And I would add Sample Edit, Loop Edit. Just examples I have some sounds that have not been set Right or Loops, How can I fix if I don't have the original samples In SF2 format or Wave, AIFF?))) In Motif and Montage Again there is good John Melas. Who will help us here?)))
Let's add at least export In SF2 format So we can do something.

20. I would like to add the Note Relase feature. That is, letting the note reproduce the sound. This exists in factory sounds because it doesn't exist in users?

21. We want to define the Elements The Art 1-2-3 buttons. Why Do I Have Three Useless Buttons When Using User Sounds?

May i ask, whats the reason you want to keep Yem? And not put all those features inside the Genos?
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Zaurafon on March 12, 2020, 09:20:25 AM
May i ask, whats the reason you want to keep Yem? And not put all those features inside the Genos?

There is no reason. The only reason they can leave YEM simply as an additional program to create sounds without Genos itself. Using any MIDI keyboard. What I wrote can be added and corrected with one version update.
If you notice there are several errors that are present in version 1.40
I wrote to them several times but they never
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: AndyT on March 13, 2020, 03:26:07 PM
One of the things I would really like is a well written manual. All to often I have to revert to forums and youtube. That wouldn't necessarily stop other people writing books :)
Just my 2 pence worth
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Luluc on March 16, 2020, 06:58:26 PM
Hello all Genosphils,

My Genos is my first arranger keyboard.
So , I was wondering if each Genos owner was ready, probably in 2021, to buy a Genos2 keyboard and to shell out 4000 or 4500 bucks ?

I hope we can also consider an update, to move to software version 3.0 ? Many features requests can be implemented in the present Genos, but some requests need to redesign the user interface keyboard, adding here some new switches, or reducing the size of the keyboard, etc...

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Toril S on March 16, 2020, 11:06:30 PM
No, I have had my Genos in just 4 months, so I can't see myself buying another one in a year! Instead I have kept my Tyros5, and I have an S975 too. If I buy a new keyboard now, it will be another PSR. Am tempted to get the XS900, but I have just two hands anyway, so I have to be satisfied with what I have now :)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Bachus on March 19, 2020, 08:52:07 PM
Hello all Genosphils,

My Genos is my first arranger keyboard.
So , I was wondering if each Genos owner was ready, probably in 2021, to buy a Genos2 keyboard and to shell out 4000 or 4500 bucks ?

I hope we can also consider an update, to move to software version 3.0 ? Many features requests can be implemented in the present Genos, but some requests need to redesign the user interface keyboard, adding here some new switches, or reducing the size of the keyboard, etc...

Once you have a Genos, you will learn that a Genos 2 will cost you like half
Because of good trade in prices..
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Luluc on March 31, 2020, 06:55:37 PM
Once you have a Genos, you will learn that a Genos 2 will cost you like half
Because of good trade in prices..

Not so sure to get a new Genos 2 in 2021 at 2500$ or 3000$ ! Yamaha will need to consider this fact.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: soundphase on April 02, 2020, 05:48:23 PM
I agree with Bacchus. It will be easy to sell our Genos at a good price when Genos 2 will appear. If a Genos 2 is 4200 and you sell Genos at 2400, your Genos 2 will cost you 1800... for around 4 years so, 37.5 by month, 1.25 by day...
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Gleston on April 05, 2020, 06:49:57 PM
Hi
I´m new in this forum but a long time yamaha user.
There´s a feature that I always wanted in this kind of keyboard and never saw.

The style creator is a good tool for expand your presetations,but it could more automated and fast:

1) it can have a RANDOM button that takes parts of other styles and mount them in the one you are working. Maybe you could put some parameters , like choosing 5/10/20 styles from where the AI will pick the parts. Even from style in the USB drive.

2) I can see many parameters that you can program the AI to choose the parts.

3) The AI algorhytms like K.A.R.M.A  software that it´s uses in some high end yamaha keyboard could be used to create new styles. Once you like, after testing it, you save and uses in your presentation.

Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on April 05, 2020, 07:32:39 PM
My experience in building styles is to use Style Creator Assembly.  I have to try different style Parts to hear how they will blend with the other style Parts and often changing the Voices and other parameters of the mix. Software with a RANDOM feature is highly unlikely to produce good final results. Dumb software will never achieve the creativity of the human mind or spirit. You would still have to do a lot of MAJOR editing of the style to get it to sound good.

The best you can hope for is the Style Factory software which has a built-in data base of thousands style Parts and you can add you own, and still requires the process of editing for good final results.

http://www.emc-musicsoftware.de/eng-shop/eng-dscstf.htm#Top (http://www.emc-musicsoftware.de/eng-shop/eng-dscstf.htm#Top)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: mikey4u100 on April 21, 2020, 08:45:55 PM
Genos2 Wish List.

I am a novis player with a Genos having owned a Tyros 5. Please, Please bring back the tilting screen!

If it’s not reflecting the ceiling light it reflects daylight coming through the window. No problem for a Tyros 5 as you just angled the screen, no problem.

Regards Mike (Sheffield)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Toril S on April 21, 2020, 10:51:41 PM
Amen to that, Mike! The screen of the Genos is actually tilting a little towards the player, but not enough. I want bigger fonts on style names as well!
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: danand on May 29, 2020, 06:51:28 PM
Since I'm on the market for "Genos 2" and I'm sure that even a "Genos 2" without all the suggested additions will be a huge update from my current set up, to be honest I don't have something to ask for.
The only one I have to ask is to get it in the market ASAP !!!
But it looks that after the COVID-19 shutdown even the most optimistic expectations for a release on Nov-Dec 2020 are now impossible to hit...
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Fred Smith on May 29, 2020, 11:13:04 PM
Since I'm on the market for "Genos 2" and I'm sure that even a "Genos 2" without all the suggested additions will be a huge update from my current set up, to be honest I don't have something to ask for.
The only one I have to ask is to get it in the market ASAP !!!
But it looks that after the COVID-19 shutdown even the most optimistic expectations for a release on Nov-Dec 2020 are now impossible to hit...

Here's my prognostication. There won't be a Genos 2 before 2022.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Oxford1035 on May 30, 2020, 02:07:33 AM
Here's my prognostication. There won't be a Genos 2 before 2022.

Cheers,
Fred

+1 l think the fact Yamaha released the new version 2 update hints it will be a while before they're ready to release a new model. l think the hit everyone is taking financially due to Covid will have a big bearing on a future release too.

Kind regards,

Russ
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ton37 on May 30, 2020, 07:46:39 PM
I wonder where (the shareholders of) Yamaha should make their money from?
Yamaha will not get rich from an free update / upgrade.

Marketing-wise I guess that about autumn of this year Yamaha will have to announce something new (on their usual mystic way  ;)) to put a new line on the market in spring 2021. The Yamaha Music division must generate income in order to survive. For sure, starting at 2017, The Genos (1) has had its longest time now . ;)

Besides: it is not that difficult (it is not a Spacex  ;)). Many forummers have already indicated what can be improved about the current Genos. Technically not that complicated to upgrade the firmware/software. Just rearrange some buttons, put a larger tiltable display on it and there is the Genos 2. Done  ;D ...

(I will wait for the PSR-SX1000 end 2021)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Toril S on May 30, 2020, 09:14:09 PM
The prices will go up. How many of us will afford a Genos 2?.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: ton37 on May 30, 2020, 10:09:51 PM
 Worldwide: lets say10.000 x 7000 =  $70.000.000,- , not bad at all  ;)
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: hans1966 on May 31, 2020, 01:46:12 AM
I would like to see in the new Genos a piano roll editor in Song Creator and Style Creator mode, this would be very useful.

It would also be good to have the possibility of direct sampling with all its editing parameters, without the need to resort to external software.

And last but not least. Include the possibility of a 16-track Audio sequencer with all waveform editing parameters included.

Regards. Hans
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on May 31, 2020, 03:22:45 AM
I would like to see in the new Genos a piano roll editor in Song Creator and Style Creator mode, this would be very useful.

It would also be good to have the possibility of direct sampling with all its editing parameters, without the need to resort to external software.

And last but not least. Include the possibility of a 16-track Audio sequencer with all waveform editing parameters included.

Regards. Hans

It sounds like you looking for a hardware DAW.  Maybe one day we will see that offered.  I think as more people are using DAWs, they would like to see all those features on-board in a keyboard.  Many of those features are available in synth keyboards already, but I suspect it be awhile before we see them ported over to the arranger keyboard

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: EileenL on May 31, 2020, 01:15:30 PM
I don't think we will see Genos 2 for some time.
I think that most people that buy these keyboards just want to play them as they are, as for live playing they have everything you would want. During the Corvid lock down we have seen so many lovely concerts given on Genos which has proved to many just how good this keyboard is without any additions.
I personally would hate to see DAW''s being added and would not want to pay the extra price involved
for a lot of fancy things being added that a lot would never use. In fact I don't think a lot of people use what is on the present Genos.
Title: Re: Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)
Post by: Joe H on May 31, 2020, 02:10:13 PM
EileenL,

Hopefully, if a hardware DAW is released it will be a separate model from Genos. I agree that the arranger as it is now is quite adequate in its features.  We have plenty of computer software thanks to the programmers here to do major editing of our files on a big monitor screen.

Joe H