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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Snicker740 on July 27, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
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The shortened version of Genos has appeared.
Yamaha PSR-SX900 (It is a compact version of Genos but possesses more advanced features than Genos such as Bluetooth, Loop Chord ...)
- Touch screen, interface like genos. (smaller size)
- Two front USB ports
- 3 voices for the right hand
- Loop chord mode (Same as previous korg)
- No after touch
- Keyboard type is still light and shallow like S975 with 61 keys
- There is DEC - INC button under the data wheel
- 1400 Voices, 500 Styles.
- 1Gb memory Sample
- Bluetooth Audio
- 15W + 10W x2 Amps
- Sub Woofer Output
- 4Gb memory User
- Weight 11.5Kg (25 lbs)
- Price about $2100 USD
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Looks to be a nice, pro kb.
Same Genos multipads ?
When available ?
Plse advise. Thanks, Babette
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Am I right in that the rubber buttons are gone, and that there is smooth plastic buttons instead? Hope so!
And I hope it can be fittet with VoiceGuide! Interesting, but I am not jumping out of my chair in joy. If it had choir and scat voices I would consider giving it a chance though.....
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There are two style categories missing, Country and Ballad,both of which I use a lot. I'm sure they are still in the keyboard, but buried in other categories.
Gary 8)
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Hi Toril :
Apparently there are no built-in vocal mps like in your T5.😰
S970/S975 owners were asking for that feature,
right ?
I wonder what the BT connection will bring.
BT headphones, speakers, smartphone etc ?
Babette
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$2000 for it seems a bit too much.
Also why would they make a Genos Mini.
Genos demand would drop
Edit ( I saw the assignable button ) 😌
I'm quite happy with my PSR 770.
I believe if you're good at playing you can make a cheap Keyboard sound good.
The only disappointed with my keyboard is
Extreme low Memory for Packs :(
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THe KORG PA700 & PA1000 have been taking a lot of this below £2000 sales so this is no doubt Yamaha response.
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Those who would buy a Tyros or a Genos, they will still continue to buy the best keyboard out there Norman (better keybed+aftertouch=better voices and better stuff in everything else).
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The SX series will not be a threat to Genos any more than the S Series was a threat to Tyros Norman.
Some people just require a smaller keyboard and don't particularly want all the vocal voices and extra's you get with the flagship.
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I would love to have the vocal voices in a smaller package. But that will unfortunately not happen.
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There are two style categories missing, Country and Ballad,both of which I use a lot. I'm sure they are still in the keyboard, but buried in other categories.
Gary 8)
Well those styles are available on the main PSR Tutorial website for download.
:)
Joe H
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Plus, I have thousands of 3rd party Country Styles on my USB drive. Surely will not miss anything with the lack of those categories under buttons, but I would love to see the style list when it becomes available for the SX900 - should be interesting.
All the best,
Gary 8)
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Guys, nothing is missing, it’s all there in different boxes, this started with the S975 when the Latin & Ballroom where put together
Why the need for all these buttons when we have a touch screen, my Ketron SD40 works flawlessly with just the on-screen style and voice categories and I think the Genos also.
Pino
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Hi all, it's a big yes for me! i'll change for this new KB; i just hope the migration from my S970 will be easy! have a nice Sunday; all the best Patrick
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Those photos don't show the Multi Pad buttons or OTS buttons. Should I assume they are there?
Joe H
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Those photos don't show the Multi Pad buttons or OTS buttons. Should I assume they are there?
Yes. OTS buttons are placed to the right of the registration buttons (you can see that for a short time in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8HZh0MfTZI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8HZh0MfTZI) where the pics above have obviously been copied). You don't see the multipad buttons but they should be found right to the OTS buttons.
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From what I see I expect the price to be higher than previous psrs.
As for the style category buttons,I am mostly used to hit just the expansion pack category and then move to usb stick where the "saved" styles are.
I wouldn't expect also the OTS and pad buttons to be anywhere else Joe,as long as their position with the Genos the s950-970-975 is the same.
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The 7"display, flimsy 975 keys, no aftertouch , 1gb sample memory and a lot more features missing, it is stil no comparison with the Genos .
Nice upgrade fore the 975 owners .
Soryt 8)
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Well at half the price you would not expect it to be a Genos would you. As is always said "You gets what you pays for" ;)
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So far looks very good to me...
I hope there will be also A-3000 successor with all new "TERCA" in it... :)
I hope...
Anyway Since GENOS produced I like directions that YAMAHA goes....
I think is time again to say : THANK YOU YAMAHA
Best regards
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Thanks Snicker 740 for sharing with us on the Yamaha PSR - SX900.
Here is the 12 min. youtube video clip, thanks to Jeremy See, with additional info.
https://youtu.be/O8HZh0MfTZI
Have a great day every one!
David
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Well I see only 8 registrations and not 10 as on the Genos keyboard. That's a looser for me to jump. Gotta have 10 if we lose the MF and have to use Registrations only for setting up a custom song style. :P
My S950 listed for $2499 and this is priced at $2100. That is a winner, the computer parts must be getting cheaper these days. ;D
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I watched dtah80 video link and the USD price is said to be $2700+. That makes more sense.
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In David's YouTube link (thanks for that David!), I take exception to this guy calling me a fool for buying a Genos because he thinks this new PSR-SX900 will do the same thing. Listen from 30 secs to 43 secs and tell me you don't feel insulted. Who the h*** does he think he is? He knows what he can do with that comment!!
Plus, we are being told about the PSR-SX900 through some "friend" whose source material comes from a USB stick??? Where did this friend get the info? If I were Yamaha, I'd be dancing on somebody's head!!
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I don't think anyone can reasonably expect that the PSR-SX900 and 700 will be equal to the Genos. They're more likely to be like the PSR-S975 and PSR-S775 were in comparison to the Tyros5, or like the MODX is in comparison to the Montage.
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In David's YouTube link (thanks for that David!)
You're welcome, but my name is Michael :)
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He is not calling you a fool,Lee.
He just emphasize a bit to sound more "dramatic" like the journalists do.
In other videos he asked why to spend so much money to buy an expensive keyboard while the psr E 463 sounds nice and is cheap or that the s670 is much cheaper than the s975,the Tyros and the Genos and has got a great sound and many functions.
Either we like it or not,new potential buyers prefer to watch reviews of any product from youtubers and not just watch a company's advertisement where everything is..."fantastic" about their product.
A keyboardist who have spent time with arranger keyboards can understand better the differences between each series.If he cannot, that's a problem. :)
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Sorry about that, Michael. Here is what I saw on my side of the forum. All I saw was the name David :).
Thanks Snicker 740 for sharing with us on the Yamaha PSR - SX900.
Here is the 12 min. youtube video clip, thanks to Jeremy See, with additional info.
https://youtu.be/O8HZh0MfTZI
Have a great day every one!
David
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Hi,
Also, it should be emphasised that Jeremy See is a keyboard teacher and he has been trying for a long time to find the best “value for money” keyboard for his students, so in this perspective the PSR SX900/700, or even a PSR S670 or PSR E463 might be better value for money for his students than a Genos. A music teacher certainly is bound to have another opinion on that matter than a professional entertainer or than a retiree playing the keyboard for her/his personal enjoyment.
Just my 2 cents,
Vinciane
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Panos, there is no excuse for his comment, even if it's meant in a journalisitc tone. He is very condescending. How about this:
"For those who have always wanted to own a Genos but have a different budget in mind, there is a very good alternative, the PSR-SX900."
No sir, I spent the better part of 30 years in business and know when I've been insulted for making a buying decision. If I had spoken to my customers like this dude, I would have been told to get lost.
Of course, virtually everyone on this forum knew on the day they walked out of the store with there new Genos, there would be a stripped-down version released someday. This guy makes it sound like we were all fools for not waiting for the SX-900.
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Agreed, Vinciane but being a teacher or so-called "professional," he should know better how to express himself. If he would like a lesson on the topic, I'd be glad to coach him - for a fee of course! My opinion stands.
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Panos, there is no excuse for his comment, even if it's meant in a journalisitc tone. He is very condescending. How about this:
"For those who have always wanted to own a Genos but have a different budget in mind, there is a very good alternative, the PSR-SX900."
No sir, I spent the better part of 30 years in business and know when I've been insulted for making a buying decision. If I had spoken to my customers like this dude, I would have been told to get lost.
Of course, virtually everyone on this forum knew on the day they walked out of the store with there new Genos, there would be a stripped-down version released someday. This guy makes it sound like we were all fools for not waiting for the SX-900.
You need to let it go before you give yourself a heart attack (or at least hyper tension). He's just expressing his opinion... same as you are expressing your opinion. It's not worth loosing your health over.
I agree with the notion it's not really a baby Genos after all... it's just a supped-up PSR S975 with more of everything and some new features which is very typical of what Yamaha does with the release of the next generation keyboard. This is true for both Yamaha synths and arrangers.
::)
Joe H
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C'mon Lee don't take it so personal.Cheer up my friend.You still got the best arranger in your hands. ;)
There is a difference between the Genos and the "alternative".I would like myself a Tyros 5 but I bought the.... "alternative" s750.
I don't think that anybody expects the new psr to sound as good as the Genos or a Tyros 4 & 5 anyway (different keybed,no aftertouch,probably not all the effects,not choir voices,half polyphony of Genos,lesser keys etc.And those are just the differences in sound)
But maybe it will sound a little(or more) better than the s975 or maybe for some the s950 will still sound better.
Joe is making jokes.You are a spammer Joe! ;D
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IMHO :
If someone is buying a new SX arranger keyboard, he
( or she ) wants a comparable sound quality of the high end model but does not need/want 76 keys and the weight nor all the extra features of the high end arranger.
Of course a budget is a very serious issue.
The ( new ) owner can also buy a perfect second hand high end arranger at the same price of a new SX900 e.g.
All depends on the personal needs and wishes of the owner.
Babette
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My opinion about his comments stand - and my health is fine. Thanks for asking :). At least I can honestly say I never insulted anyone about their buying decision the way this very rude man has. I'll let it rest now.
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We now have two threads going on this keyboard can they not be merged.
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50909.msg398501.html#new
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Thanks for the post, Eileen.
I would like to see the official Yamaha release video instead of some anecdotal interpretation based on questionable thumb drive information. I somehow doubt Yamaha wants another flagship PSR keyboard introduced in this fashion :)!
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Yes Lee,
It is far to early to start guessing what may or not be on this model. All will be known in time and lets us hope it is not pulled to pieces like Genos was before people realised what a good keyboard they had.
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I vote to keep both threads, it gives us more to read in the morning. ;)
All these keyboards sound the same since the S950 to the average listeners it came out with the new guitar sounds.
The DJ knobs and sounds are the only advance added and older more mature folks don't use them anyway. ;D
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I totally agree with Drake
I do keyboard lessons and have the 3000, 910, 950 & 975 side by side in my studio.
If I had to go for Big Band/orchestra songs, I’d probably pick the 910 or 950
For EDM then sure the S975,
I do like everything I’ve seen about the new keyboard, but this time, I will not listen to any Yamaha demos, I will go to the music shop, I will play and record 5 songs on the USB recorder and I will take to my studio and I will compare the songs to my other recordings from my other keyboards, if there is a noticeable difference then I may go for it.
If the samples are the same as S975 and not much difference in the recordings then I will stick to what I already have and spend more time on making my own WAV voices.
Pino
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I could not disagree more! If I convert my new styles to the 950, it does not sound even close to the original anymore. The new model WILL have many of the new Genos voices. Did any of you listen to the "My life" mp3 from Francesco? I am awestruck by those guitars and I bet the new model will have those too.
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All these keyboards sound the same since the S950 to the average listeners it came out with the new guitar sounds.
Drake,
my personal opinion is, you are totally right.
I used S950, S970 and now Genos. I think they share the same sample base and the same sound engine. The main differences are feature wise (better keybed, touch display, SA2, Ensemble, more voices, more DSP). But when I use the same voices on different keyboards, they sound identical.
But this is based on judging the quality of voices. It may be the case, that the quality of of styles may differ, when they make use of the new voices and the many DSPs.
Uli
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I'm what is called a "Power User". I take advantage of most of the features. Probably more than others do. One of the gripes for those who don't use many of the features is why should they pay for features they don't use. But as I have said before, from a marketing standpoint, manufacturers have to make "one-size-fits-all" keyboards to make any money.
Joe H
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IMHO there might be much more " Power Users " here than we might think.
Step be step this group is growing every day.
Everybody in his own way.
The features of the modern arranger keyboards are inviting players to do a lot more than just playing a " simple " song.
Thanks to the software and the technique of today many members are using the features of their keyboard to do much more with their kbs than ever before.
Babette
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As always with these arranger keyboards the choice is yours. You may choose just to sit and select a style and voices then play or you may want to set up and use some of the effects and re-voice certain parts or even build new styles using Style Assembly. What ever you do the important part is that you enjoy it.
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I am a bit surprised to see physical buttons for the voice and style categories combined with the new touch screen.
In Genos the introduction of the touch screen did away with those physical category buttons and I have not missed them one second
Physical buttons do cost money to the manufacturer so I would have expected them to dissapear in the PSR SXxxx models with touch screen as well.
Makes me wonder if the PSR SX screen shots are real .....
Unless of course there is another reason for Yamaha to keep them ???
I guess time will tell ....
Rudy
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Maybe they think the screen will be to small to have the lists down the side as we do. Time will tell.
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I am thankful for every button!
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Guys, please do not forget that visually impaired musicians would be lost without physical buttons. An arranger which relies too much on a touchscreen is wasted for visually impaired musicians. Besides, many of these persons are musicians because this is the one activity where they can shine and where their handicap won’t hinder them too much. :o
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I'm sure Yamaha engineers put a lot of thought into designing their keyboards. There is a conscious "intent" with every element of the final design and functionality.
Joe H
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I need buttons! My fat fingers do not do well on touch screens and like Toril I have very poor eyesight!
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Well, maybe that's the feedback Yamaha got after launching Genos... that quite a number of people actually need those physical buttons.
Maybe we 'll see them reintroduced on Genos 2.
Lets hope so for all of those people.
Rudy
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Don't forget with Genos you do have the voice guide application which tells you what you are touching on the screen and works very well.
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Guys, please do not forget that visually impaired musicians would be lost without physical buttons. An arranger which relies too much on a touchscreen is wasted for visually impaired musicians. Besides, many of these persons are musicians because this is the one activity where they can shine and where their handicap won’t hinder them too much. :o
I’m a little puzzled as to how having voice category selection buttons will aid visually impaired users, given that it will still be necessary to use the touchscreen to select the actual voice.
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Whether the SX 900 is a supped-up S975 or a baby Genos, it doesn’t matter to me. I ordered it yesterday with no regrets. Keeping the S975 as a backup. Traded a PA 1000 that I never liked, nor could learn the operating system. Happy to be stuck with Yamaha.
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On my Ketron SD40 touch screen the instrument icons are 10 times bigger than any button on the keyboard, has a photo of the instrument.
The SX has the same screen layout. +++
Pino
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Traded a PA 1000 that I never liked, nor could learn the operating system. Happy to be stuck with Yamaha.
Hey,
this is very interesting. I think that the PA1000 has its strengths as well, for example chord sequencer. ;) Can you say, what you didn't like about it?
Uli
P.S.: I tested PA900 and PSR-S950, and decided for PSR. Possibly for the same reasons as you. ;)
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Voodoo:
I probably didn’t give the PA 1000 enough time. I liked the overall sound, many of the styles and voices. I thought the build was somewhat better than the S975, as well as the keybed. However, as a long time Yamaha owner, I prefer the way Yamaha does things. I just prefer the Yamaha sound, especially on particular instrument voices. With the Korg, I constantly struggled with trying to recall where everything was and how to get there----how to store, save, edit, EQ, adjust parameters, vocal harmonizer, and all the rest. Spent more time on that than playing music. It just wasn’t a good fit. Looking forward to the SX 900.
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Chord Looper and Revo Drums appeared in CVP 800, too... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNz81hQi48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnNz81hQi48)
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The shortened version of Genos has appeared.
Yamaha PSR-SX900 (It is a compact version of Genos but possesses more advanced features than Genos such as Bluetooth, Loop Chord ...)
- Touch screen, interface like genos. (smaller size)
- Two front USB ports
- 3 voices for the right hand
- Loop chord mode (Same as previous korg)
- No after touch
- Keyboard type is still light and shallow like S975 with 61 keys
- There is DEC - INC button under the data wheel
- 1400 Voices, 500 Styles.
- 1Gb memory Sample
- Bluetooth Audio
- 15W + 10W x2 Amps
- Sub Woofer Output
- 4Gb memory User
- Weight 11.5Kg (25 lbs)
- Price about $2100 USD
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,m using psr s 950 it's good one.. after coming new psr s 975. I didn't purchased because in that same old rubber buttons used.. after long time Yamaha announced sx900 model.. it's good one. As I checked vedio.. only cost is so high. So i wrote.. about reducing cost it needed..touch screen is costlier.. so in psr 3000 buttons are plastic and it was good one I used long time..So we need reasonable cost this is my intention... If genos is good not all can purchase it because of cost price.. same case in sx900.... It's my request to Yamaha co.... Clifford Leo dsouz