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Title: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 07:57:14 AM
Here it is ...

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html (https://europe.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html)


On the main party it is written 1.4 but the link still leads to the old version 1.3 :o

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/downloads.html (https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/downloads.html)

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Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: frozzers on June 28, 2019, 07:59:55 AM
That links to v1.30 ....

Cheers

Chris

EDIT - Ah I see what happened. It must be imminent.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: loendersloot on June 28, 2019, 08:11:59 AM
Is now available. :)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Sokratis1974 on June 28, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
Its not available.... The link its from 1.30 and not working.... Only the Audio Phraser 1.0.1 is available...
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 08:21:42 AM
Now Yamaha will edit it, a little patience.  ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 08:24:58 AM
here it is finally
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html?fbclid=IwAR0KFruAhKoT8jQdRGqsvNOvthye0wP7bz1JBIZLG4frMRHgIOF4agx_7zs (https://uk.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html?fbclid=IwAR0KFruAhKoT8jQdRGqsvNOvthye0wP7bz1JBIZLG4frMRHgIOF4agx_7zs)

Quote
[V1.30 to V1.40]



-Some information displays have been added to the Home display.

-Many additional functions have been included for assignment to individual controllers on the Live Control display and the Assignable display.

-You can now see the result of operations of the ASSIGNABLE buttons via the pop-up window.

-It is now possible to output to an external display by connecting a commercially USB-display adapter. For details on the supported device list, download from the "Downloads" tab on the product site.

-You can now select the content displayed on the external display, from the Utility display.

-Changes: The maximum capacity per file of MIDI Song has been expanded to about 3 MB.

-Changes: Disabled switching between Dual Player mode and Song List mode during Song playback.

-Changes: Changed the buttons for display/operation on the Song List mode to the SONG B buttons instead of the SONG A buttons.

-Changes: The font settings on the Lyrics display and the Text display are backed up and retained even after the power is turned off.

-Changes: The "Song" item which can be selected on the Registration Memory window is divided into "MIDI Song" and "Audio Song."

-Changes: When operating the on-screen knobs and vertical sliders, the first touch will not change the value immediately, but only select (focus) it.

-Changes: The Voice Guide function supports display changes of this version. Please download the latest Voice Guide file from the product site for the additional sounds to work properly.

-Fixed a problem in which, under a certain situation, the Audio Section of Audio Style would not play back.

-Fixed a problem in which, under a certain situation, an Audio Song longer than 80 minutes would not play correctly.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would become unresponsive to operations when playing back a specific MIDI Song.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument response would slow down when certain Preset Wallpaper settings were selected.

-Fixed a problem in which Initial Touch On/Off settings would not function properly when calling up a specific Registration Memory.

-Fixed a problem in which, under a certain situation, the Registration Freeze function would not work properly.

-Fixed a problem in which certain Music Finder Record files of Tyros series could not be imported.

-Fixed a problem in which the Panel Sustain parameter seems to have an effect on the Left part because the Panel Sustain can be edited on the Voice Edit display for the Left part.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would occasionally become unresponsive to operations when executing Search.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would occasionally become unresponsive to operations when changing the mode of Wireless LAN.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would become unresponsive to operations when the pop-up window is closed in certain situations.

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would become unresponsive to operations when saving a file in certain situations.

-Fixed a problem in which characters would occasionally not be displayed correctly.

-Fixed other problems.

* The previous firmware version cannot be restored after updating the firmware to this version.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Snicker740 on June 28, 2019, 08:29:42 AM
Someone once said: No hope will not disappoint.
The 1.4 update does not bring much new, but just what should have been on Genos since its release.
What I most expect is YEM, there is no update.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: reya on June 28, 2019, 08:35:23 AM
Someone once said: No hope will not disappoint.
The 1.4 update does not bring much new, but just what should have been on Genos since its release.


Indeed!
That is exactly my feeling too!
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
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* The previous firmware version cannot be restored after updating the firmware to this version.

Seems I have to wait for users feedback... I have every weekend gigs, saturday and sunday. If something's happening with this OS, it may become unresponsive to and I "blow up" all the gigs I have...

PS: Could someone who updated it to tel us if Tempo Reset function is included in assignable functions to the buttons?! Tnx

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 09:21:19 AM
And I have the same problem with playing this weekend. However, I went to a small risk and made Update.  8)
Tempo Reset can be added to customizable buttons.
Now we have Style Tempo Lock / Reset, Style Tempo Hold / Reset.

https://youtu.be/5HVLrLvMQYo (https://youtu.be/5HVLrLvMQYo)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 09:48:00 AM
They really don't understand what means Tempo Reset function on other brands, implemented about 10 years ago!

Tempo reset does not mean to reset tempo to initial tempo of style, but to retrigger the first beat of the first measure when you press that button....

***, I don't believe they didn't understood that. I think they have to buy some other brands to understand how that function works ...

LOL...
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: pchan on June 28, 2019, 09:51:21 AM
With 1.40, I can't use Foot Pedal to switch On/Off my LEFT VOICE. Please let me know if I have missed something...
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: StuartR on June 28, 2019, 09:58:43 AM
Here's something we haven't seen before on Genos. Looks like this update is irreversible! Has this ever been the case on the Tyros updates?

"* The previous firmware version cannot be restored after updating the firmware to this version."
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: StuartR on June 28, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
I wonder if all changes made to multiple DSPs will now be saved in a registration rather than just the last change made?
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 10:13:32 AM
They really don't understand what means Tempo Reset function on other brands, implemented about 10 years ago!

Tempo reset does not mean to reset tempo to initial tempo of style, but to retrigger the first beat of the first measure when you press that button....

***, I don't believe they didn't understood that. I think they have to buy some other brands to understand how that function works ...

LOL...

A more proper name would be Measure reset because Tempo reset is what Yamaha already has. You can easily use SYNC START. Singers who do not know where their first time in the show is to go back to the music school.  ;)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Pianoman on June 28, 2019, 10:17:46 AM
I wrote on the 22nd of June on the other thread regarding the update,
" Expect nothing and you shall never be disappointed "

Best Regards,

Abby.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Dromeus on June 28, 2019, 10:18:46 AM
I wonder if all changes made to multiple DSPs will now be saved in a registration rather than just the last change made?

You think, this is what Yamaha meant by "-Fixed other problems." ?  ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: DerekA on June 28, 2019, 10:18:57 AM
Tempo reset does not mean to reset tempo to initial tempo of style, but to retrigger the first beat of the first measure when you press that button....

is there not already a 'style retrigger' function on the live control? (There was on S770 so I'd expect it on Genos)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 10:19:54 AM
I wonder if all changes made to multiple DSPs will now be saved in a registration rather than just the last change made?

No, only the last edited DSP is remembered.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Dromeus on June 28, 2019, 10:21:09 AM
I wrote on the 22nd of June on the other thread regarding the update,
" Expect nothing and you shall never be disappointed "

I wrote the same on 01-06-2019. Anyone else ?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 10:27:12 AM
A more proper name would be Measure reset because Tempo reset is what Yamaha already has. You can easily use SYNC START. Singers who do not know where their first time in the show is to go back to the music school.  ;)

This function is implemented on Tap Tempo/Reset button in Korg, I think from PA50/80, I don't know exactly... I didn't invented it, it already exists on the market!
Sync Start is very hard to use it on a high tempo style, so it's not a solution.
Yes, indeed, is a bad expression of me, because is "Tap Tempo" and "Reset"! So it is "Reset" button. My apologize!

It's not about only the singers, there are songs which have something like 5 or 6 beat in the last measure before fill. It's not only the singer. It's about entertaining, also, if someone came to us to speak with us in realtime playing, we have to reset the style to the first beat to be where it has to be at the moment which singer starts... Also, there are gigs where people came and sing with us, which are not musical prepared, and they don't really know how to keep the beat of style, so we need that Reset function.

But we have to live with that little changes one or two years more, didn't we?!  :-\

 :'(
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 10:34:08 AM
No, only the last edited DSP is remembered.

Sad... :-X
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 10:39:18 AM

But we have to live with that little changes one or two years more, didn't we?!  :-\

 :'(

I agree with you, the market is open. In the people we are told, if there is anything, it can do without it.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 10:41:19 AM
is there not already a 'style retrigger' function on the live control? (There was on S770 so I'd expect it on Genos)

Yes I think it is, but it is implemented to play like in the next beat, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 , 32 ... It splits style measure ... its hard to use it...
Really, its very simple a button to retriger first beat! What is so difficult?! Pfffffff

 :(
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: StuartR on June 28, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
I just noticed that the User and Reference manuals are available in text file format. I hadn't noticed that before. The manuals are broken up into files for each manual chapter. I wonder if these could be usefully displayed via the Genos text file display (although without any inherent search capability)?

In any event it appears the text file versions reflect the previous D0 manual revisions rather than the current E0 versions.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 10:49:24 AM
Yes, because I don't think they had time to reupload the new version of text files. Some couple of hours ago, the link of pdf version gives me d0 version, which BTW, was the version for 1.20 OS version!
You have to wait, and I'm sure they will post new e0 version in text format too. And yes, I think that is purpose of those txt files, to load on Genos, to be able to look for, even the search functionality is unavailable!

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Sokratis1974 on June 28, 2019, 11:19:23 AM
So.. The desynchronisation problem of the User Audio Styles (with Audio Phraser) has been corrected to a quite acceptable degree, but not quite fully because the fills and the break don't play in time quite yet.
Also It is still impossible edit another effect on the same channel in Assing Part Setting.
And of course not update in YEM...
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 11:24:28 AM
EVERYBODY HAPPY ?

I may hope so !

Babette
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: DerekA on June 28, 2019, 11:25:40 AM
wonder if these could be usefully displayed via the Genos text file display

I've not tried it, but lots of models can display text files on their screen (via text/lyrics button). Not sure if there's a limit on the file size though.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: pchan on June 28, 2019, 11:27:57 AM
I am not happy. With 1.40, I can't use Foot Pedal to switch On/Off my LEFT VOICE. Please let me know if I have missed something...
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 11:36:29 AM
EVERYBODY HAPPY ?

I may hope so !

Babette

NO Babette, because almost ALL important problems we complained here was NOT solved... "Good" to here that Voice Guide was updated! Come on Yamaha, it's a joke?!
Yes, they implement those labels and icons on home screen, we are pleased with this new interface. But the BIG important things they have to implement was not implemented.
That's my opinion!

Genos can, I really know it can, but they 1. don't know how to make it, or 2. don't want to implement them ;)  I, again, will choose second version ;)

Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
Can anyone make a list with category and functions in assignable?

Thank you!
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: StuartR on June 28, 2019, 11:47:25 AM
I've not tried it, but lots of models can display text files on their screen (via text/lyrics button). Not sure if there's a limit on the file size though.

I tried to use the Text file display on both the Tyros and Genos to display song tabs. It was a dismal failure due to lack of TAB support and font size limitations. And with the inherent screen glare possibilities of the fixed Genos display that screen would be unreadable in a lot of bright light situations.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 11:50:03 AM
I hear you are disappointed, am I right Vali ?

Does this 1.40 update not bring you what you have expected ?

If so, I feel very sorry. :'(


Babette
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: metcam on June 28, 2019, 12:00:40 PM


Genos can, I really know it can, but they 1. don't know how to make it, or 2. don't want to implement them ;)  I, again, will choose second version ;)

Of course they don't want. How than they will sale next keyboard?

Business  politics and not just Yamaha...everyone else.

So from my experience all that things will be in Genos2. That how was since psr-8000...……

Personally I didn't expect much with this update ...and GENERALY I am happy with my GENOS.

Regards
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ugawoga on June 28, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
AHHH!!! "I am so dissapointed. I was expecting £50 note to come out of the USB socket. ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: stephenm52 on June 28, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
 

Personally I didn't expect much with this update ...and GENERALY I am happy with my GENOS.

Regards



Plus one!  




 They should watch Korg and what Korg has done for a updates to the Pa4x.  Lots less hype from Korg but great upgrades.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 12:28:09 PM
I hear you are disappointed, am I right Vali ?

Does this 1.40 update not bring you what you have expected ?

If so, I feel very sorry. :'(


Babette

I'm not the only one, Babette... I'm disapointed because one of my friends, which is Yamaha demonstrator, told me some functions which I want (this Style reset function) will be available in this update as assignable function. He told me other things they are, but I don't see till now. I really need to install it and see with my eyes, but I cannot right now because if they made some changes in what already I have done with my work, I cannot sing tomorrow... The most worst thing is that this OS is not downgradable, you cannot downgrade if there are problems, you have to dig with them till next update, which I really cannot right now.

Yes, metcam, I'm "in generally" happy with my Genos, too. But some of missing functions it keeps me down, I cannot work as it has to be... I'm just sorry they don't give Genos the power it was born with ;)

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EB5AGV on June 28, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
I don't know if you have seen this page, explaining some details:

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html (https://europe.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html)

I can't wait to check the new external display options, I hope it works with my USB adapter!

Jose
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Pianoman on June 28, 2019, 12:42:29 PM
I'm not the only one, Babette... I'm disappointed

I really need to install it and see with my eyes, but I cannot right now because if they made some changes in what already I have done with my work, I cannot sing tomorrow... The most worst thing is that this OS is not downgradable, you cannot downgrade if there are problems, you have to dig with them till next update, which I really cannot right now.

Yes, metcam, I'm "in generally" happy with my Genos, too. But some of missing functions it keeps me down, I cannot work as it has to be... I'm just sorry they don't give Genos the power it was born with ;)

Regards,
Vali

I have to sing and play every day, so I think I'll wait at least a month before installing this
update. To see how others are getting along with their update.
I can't afford to have something weird happening during a gig.

Yamaha, The Journey Continues.

Best Regards.
Abby.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: PierreSW on June 28, 2019, 12:44:55 PM
Hey!
I am most disappointed in the way you handle MIDI files.
When editing, Genos loses the MIDI file and you have to find it again and load again when you are done editing and saving the MIDI file is gone again,
Then you have to find the MIDI file again, and load again, incredibly difficult procedure.
In Tyros, the MIDI file remains, you do not have to look for it every time you have to edit

// Pierre
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
Can anyone make a list with category and functions in assignable?

Thank you!

The list of those assignable function is in Reference Manual, Page 126 (https://europe.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/1131007/genos_en_rm_e0.pdf#page=126).

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: voodoo on June 28, 2019, 12:57:48 PM
Hey!
I am most disappointed in the way you handle MIDI files.
When editing, Genos loses the MIDI file and you have to find it again and load again when you are done editing and saving the MIDI file is gone again,
Then you have to find the MIDI file again, and load again, incredibly difficult procedure.
In Tyros, the MIDI file remains, you do not have to look for it every time you have to edit

// Pierre

I have to agree. Midi file handling is better even on PSR-S series. I hoped that this would be fixed.......
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: voodoo on June 28, 2019, 01:01:29 PM
I'm not the only one, Babette... I'm disapointed because one of my friends, which is Yamaha demonstrator, told me some functions which I want (this Style reset function) will be available in this update as assignable function. He told me other things they are, but I don't see till now.

Vali,

I have the same information that some changes more are planned, including changes for YEM. If not in June, they are expected to come in November.

Perhaps this was only a pre release for marketing reasons, and more is to come.

However, I am happy with the Genos as it as. Everything more would be a bonus for me. So I am still relaxed. ;)

Uli
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Snicker740 on June 28, 2019, 01:03:32 PM
Yamaha updates mainly fix issues that should not have been available at launch.
They hardly put any new features in (As Korg did with Pa4x).
I guess maybe they don't want to take time to re-compile all Manual if they add new features. Haha
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EB5AGV on June 28, 2019, 01:05:54 PM
Keep moaning, I will enjoy my updated Genos instead  ;)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: voodoo on June 28, 2019, 01:17:31 PM
With 1.40, I can't use Foot Pedal to switch On/Off my LEFT VOICE. Please let me know if I have missed something...

After comparing the reference manuals:

 * It seems to be possible with 1.30 (Right 1–3, Left Part On/Off, assignable to pedal and button),
 * but not with 1.40 (Part On/Off, assignable only to button).

So why do they do this?

Uli
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: metcam on June 28, 2019, 01:58:50 PM


Yes, metcam, I'm "in generally" happy with my Genos, too. But some of missing functions it keeps me down, I cannot work as it has to be... I'm just sorry they don't give Genos the power it was born with ;)

Regards,
Vali

I am with you Vali and I can understan you 100%. Just from my experience from past ......All this will happen on Genos2.  I am wish I am wrong.


Regards
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: elad770 on June 28, 2019, 02:08:08 PM
Ok! Wow, a lot to say

First, I will start by saying that I'm
Not updating my Genos now!
For starters,  it seems that few members are experiencing new features but with the cost of other features being removed ( like the foot pedal switch mentioned)

I need more time and research to see if this update
Is worth the update but most importantly if it doesn't have
A bug or a feature I don't like. REMEMBER!
As it stated here: this is not a Firmware type i can just reverse
So, why to take the chance.

Amazingly! One thing that was mentioned here is the most
Critical thing for me : to be able to reset the MEASURE
Not the tempo.

What I often love doing when I play a song is to download
The Acapella version with only the singer and accompanying
Him with my keyboard.  Often , the singer changes his measure for a slight second.  Since the Keyboard measure the bit like a Robot and not as an actual Band the Measure is
Off. The tempo is still correct but the measure and the timing
Of instruments played is off. So , as mentioned above
I found my self using Stop/sync button all the time
To adjust to the singer. This is ANNOYING!
Having a button that simply reset it is an absolute
Must for me at this point!
It seems that all the other stuff are things
That should have been there from day one
Korg came out with an update that truly added features
And fixed some things around but I'm not sure about
This one.......
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 02:10:52 PM
 :-*  ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: elad770 on June 28, 2019, 02:15:51 PM
:-*  ;D

And Yes! Thank you for reminding me that it was you who mention that!!
I care less about tempo reset.  I only care about measure reset! The only thing I need when it comes to tempo is the ability to program the tempo behavior in the middle of the song. Not by pressing a button and radically change the tempo but to gradually increase or decrease by predetermined set up. That's a feature!
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 02:16:35 PM
Hi Uli,

Sorry I am confused. :o

Do you mean the Genos2 will be launched in November 2019 ?
See : Tyros3 story.
The T3 arranger keyboard came in 2008 and has been upgraded in 2010 : Tyros4.

IMHO the S775 and S975 successors would come first, right ? ;)
These 2 new S-arrangers might be on the market as of November 2019, who knows ?

Best wishes, Babette


Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: GrantB on June 28, 2019, 02:17:45 PM
UNDERWHELMED AM I

Wow after all the hype including the video (which cost a few dollars) I am less than impress with the so called upgrade.

Yup, there are some corrections but very few and nothing for me to really shout about.

So I shall forget all about it and get on playing with what is still a great arranger.

Cheers all

Grant

Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: elad770 on June 28, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
I am with you Vali and I can understan you 100%. Just from my experience from past ......All this will happen on Genos2.  I am wish I am wrong.


Regards

I must say: Feature and Function are two different things!

From what I see all the members are talking about features that can be easily created by Software Code - That is, something you update through a firmware update.

A function is something that will require also a Hardware makeover or a change and I agree that this is where a new model will come in. I truly dont see Genos 2 anytime soon because its functioning is awsome and I dont think theres a justification for a new Genos. People are hardly discovering all its functionality. But again , certain features MUST be updated. In fact, I have and Idea ! A brilliant idea which I hope to get a positive response over. I will open a new thread
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 02:33:15 PM
Hi Uli,

Sorry I am confused. :o

Do you mean the Genos2 will be launched in November 2019 ?
See : Tyros3 story.
The T3 arranger keyboard came in 2008 and has been upgraded in 2010 : Tyros4.

IMHO the S775 and S975 successors would come first, right ? ;)
These 2 new S-arrangers might be on the market as of November 2019, who knows ?

Best wishes, Babette

he was thinking about Korg PA5x ... if it happened then ...  ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Enildo on June 28, 2019, 02:40:01 PM
here it is finally
https://uk.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html?fbclid=IwAR0KFruAhKoT8jQdRGqsvNOvthye0wP7bz1JBIZLG4frMRHgIOF4agx_7zs (https://uk.yamaha.com/en/support/updates/firm_genos.html?fbclid=IwAR0KFruAhKoT8jQdRGqsvNOvthye0wP7bz1JBIZLG4frMRHgIOF4agx_7zs)

So many problems fixed, I'm worried about the new PSR line, when they say it will be a "Genos Jr."...
Will there be many problems to be corrected as well?
At the launch of Genos I alerted to this and I was misunderstood by some of the group's companions.
I do not want to be "ungrateful" with yamaha, congratulations to the new update, so I've seen a lot repaired.
I'm just disappointed that simple things will still continue to give you a headache.

Enildo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Tankdave on June 28, 2019, 02:42:37 PM
Very Sad with this, does nothing for me at all.

I was rather hoping they would fix the H/W sliders so when you touch them, they would NOT jump to the value they physically sitting at but adjust from the S/W value.

Sliders are just the same  :(
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 02:44:35 PM
Sliders are doing well now. The first touch only indicates the area, and the value is changed later.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Enildo on June 28, 2019, 02:46:37 PM
Very Sad with this, does nothing for me at all.

I was rather hoping they would fix the H/W sliders so when you touch them, they would NOT jump to the value they physically sitting at but adjust from the S/W value.

Sliders are just the same  :(

I thought they had sorted that out.

-Changes: When operating the on-screen knobs and vertical sliders, the first touch will not change the value immediately, but only select (focus) it.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
Hi Ckobu :

If the PA5X should be launched in November 2019, as you said ...
then a Genos2 might come much sooner than expected, I guess, to avoid Yamaha customers should run away, right ?
😰

Babette
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 03:03:41 PM
Hi Ckobu :

If the PA5X should be launched in November 2019, as you said ...
then a Genos2 might come much sooner than expected, I guess, to avoid Yamaha customers should run away, right ?
😰

Babette

You never know. Maybe Yamaha buyers will buy "old" Genos for 10 more years, but updates will get versions of Geons 2, Genos 3 ...


I thought they had sorted that out.

-Changes: When operating the on-screen knobs and vertical sliders, the first touch will not change the value immediately, but only select (focus) it.

This problem has been resolved, watch the video.

https://youtu.be/xUN6F1vN2L0 (https://youtu.be/xUN6F1vN2L0)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: pjd on June 28, 2019, 03:08:42 PM
Well, I can confirm that v1.4 did not kill my Genos!  :)

I like the additional information on the Home page and whatever assignable functions were added. No additional assignables really stand out, however.
I do like the change to slider behavior.

Overall, I'm looking forward to improved stability. Yeah, I can prattle on about DSP parameters, YEM, etc. Yet, I'm very glad that Yamaha has made the strategic decision to offer updates for its flagship products. Thank you, Yamaha.

I will certainly miss Genos while it's packed away in storage. Big move coming up! I will ship the MODX ahead as that is my gig machine.

All the best -- pj
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 03:35:17 PM
Good luck with your big move, PJ !✊

BTW, if one owns a Genos + MODX a huge Genos update is not necessary, only a bug-fixing, right ?😺

Take care, Babette
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: voodoo on June 28, 2019, 03:38:21 PM
Hi Uli,

Sorry I am confused. :o

Do you mean the Genos2 will be launched in November 2019 ?

No, no, no. We are talking about the next software update for Genos. Rumors say, that there will be another software update this year.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Lee Batchelor on June 28, 2019, 03:39:25 PM
Quote
This problem has been resolved, watch the video. https://youtu.be/xUN6F1vN2L0
Okay, I see the difference. The player can touch the slider portion anywhere on the screen but the value stays the same until he moves the rotary knob. What about the physical sliders!? I still wish they would just move when I move them!! How does this update address this issue?

On the whole, I don't see any value in Version 1.4 for the way I use my Genos. I won't bother with it - especially since you can't revert to Version 1.3. I've never heard of that in all the years I've been working with computers.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: voodoo on June 28, 2019, 03:40:33 PM
The list of those assignable function is in Reference Manual, Page 126 (https://europe.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/1131007/genos_en_rm_e0.pdf#page=126).

Regards,
Vali

Would be interesting, whether there are new assignable functions.

Uli
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 04:01:49 PM
Thanks, Uli, for your feedback.👍

I really wonder why Yamaha should announce a new Genos update for November 2019, the same day they are launching the newest update.
Hard to believe, I guess.😧

Yamaha are usually uploading updates for bug-fixing.
See history.
With the update of today it looks to be much larger than ever before.

Maybe most people were hoping the update of today should have looked like Korg's latest update but I would call that " a bridge too far " .

IMHO Yamaha have a complete different " Update Strategy ".

Kind regards, Babette
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Wim NL on June 28, 2019, 04:10:49 PM
With update 1.40
Still no acces to user styles in Song Record>Multi Record>Step Edit>Target

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,43412.0.html
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 04:21:58 PM
Okay, I see the difference. The player can touch the slider portion anywhere on the screen but the value stays the same until he moves the rotary knob. What about the physical sliders!? I still wish they would just move when I move them!! How does this update address this issue?

On the whole, I don't see any value in Version 1.4 for the way I use my Genos. I won't bother with it - especially since you can't revert to Version 1.3. I've never heard of that in all the years I've been working with computers.

Physical skaters continue to work old. This can only be solved by automated sliders, therefore, only hardware changes.

You are right, best not to be burdened with v 1.4.  ;)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Lee Batchelor on June 28, 2019, 04:27:45 PM
Thanks, ckobu. I wondered how they were going to handle that. Totally crappy design if you ask me! Once again, there is no thought put into this for the gig players. Sliders that work in this fashion are fine for home playing - not the live stage!
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 05:09:55 PM
The problem with on-screen sliders and knobs was on of the greatest bugs in operating touch screen, and has been told by me last year directly to Yamaha. I had an unlisted video sent to Yamaha (and, as a good story, after a week it has already 8 or 9 views, so I think Yamaha engineers looked at it) with the incorrect working objects. When you pressed on-screen knob or sliders, the first touch was not only focus, it changed the value also. This was very bad thing when you used Compressor insert effect on Bass channel or Drums Channel, and you would to press on Output knob, because you could blow up your woofers. Now it is THE CORRECT approach, first is focus  and the second touch will change the value.

Great job for this bug-repair, Yamaha! One white ball from me! :D

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on June 28, 2019, 05:14:38 PM
Physical skaters continue to work old. This can only be solved by automated sliders, therefore, only hardware changes.

You are right, best not to be burdened with v 1.4.  ;)

As a programmer, I know it can be done with this non-motorized sliders. They can read the value listed before moving the slider, and after that making proportional value change for the movement of slider ;)

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 05:19:08 PM
Programmers are easy to do. But then the users would complain that they can not set the value to 0 or 127.  ;D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 28, 2019, 05:31:22 PM
Hey!
....I am most disappointed in the way you handle MIDI files....

// Pierre

Agreed.  The Genos has the nice feature that you can delete, copy, transpose and move midi channels. ( I have done that to dozens of the excellent YAMAHA Soft  midi files.)   - I do admire those who have gone to the trouble of creating midi files and offer them here for free, but they are mostly created  using styles, and that just makes the YAMAHA Soft (some are ridiculously cheap)  a littele better.

But the implementation of customizing midi files is a good example  of the many less than perfect implementations on the Genos. (Every now and then I get so frustrated I go back to the Midifile Optimizer)
 
I once posted about this,  got many readers but no-body posted about problems encountered or solutions.

Some posters on this site  - it seems to me - believe using polished styles with  midi file like fantastic intros and endings  as as  a back ground is ok, but  using polished midi files as background for your melody playing and singing just shows you are not a competent player. That may be so. I for one am not able to change the tempo by pushing buttons, altering volume  by moving a slider changing style and playing somewhat complicated chord progressions and the melody at the same time.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EB5AGV on June 28, 2019, 05:32:36 PM
As a programmer, I know it can be done with this non-motorized sliders. They can read the value listed before moving the slider, and after that making proportional value change for the movement of slider ;)

Regards,
Vali

Have you seen how sliders work on the Roland Fantom G series?. I got a G6 just last week and they have some interesting trick so you can't accidentally move them.

Jose
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: PierreSW on June 28, 2019, 05:44:15 PM

Some posters on this site  - it seems to me - believe using polished styles with  midi file like fantastic intros and endings  as as  a back ground is ok, but  using polished midi files as background for your melody playing and singing just shows you are not a competent player.
Cheers

Kaarlo

But I play guitar and pedal steel guitars with my midi files, can't be in two places at the same time.
What do I have for options other than playing with my midi files?

// Pierre
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 28, 2019, 06:06:43 PM

....On the whole, I don't see any value in Version 1.4 for the way I use my Genos.....

Dear Lee,  I am searching with a magnifying glass. :)  I will when the work is done list both improvements like the home page and what I believe still remains incredible (was listed here already),  you cannot put YOUR favorite styles into favorites, just the software programmers'  -  admittedly some are works of art -    styles. I have never understood how programming is done,  so maybe I am wrong, but it would seem that could not have been difficult to "repair"  which again makes you think (like Microsoft and so many others) YAMAHA does not care.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: jugge on June 28, 2019, 06:17:12 PM
No, no, no. We are talking about the next software update for Genos. Rumors say, that there will be another software update this year.

I wonder if they did plan to bring additional features in this update, but later figured out they needed more time to implement them and decided to add them in a later update. Just speculation from my side, but who knows.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EB5AGV on June 28, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
I wonder if they did plan to bring additional features in this update, but later figured out they needed more time to implement them and decided to add them in a later update. Just speculation from my side, but who knows.

I guess the key is that it is a x.1 update... Next will be a 1.x one and for sure will bring other features :)

Remember, 'the journey is not over for Genos' (Yamaha said)

Jose
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Seagull29 on June 28, 2019, 08:16:55 PM
Hello,
In fact, I ask myself a few questions:
1 / Does Yamaha listen to customers who buy their keyboard arrangers?
2 / Do they consider the owners of Genos as only amateurs or music players in their living room?
3 / will they do the same thing as with the Tyros 5, ie just minor changes pending the release of a new arranger keyboard, thus taking those who buy the latest version as "pigeons" "Even if the material is of quality?
4 / Finally, Genos will be the last arranger keyboard of the brand, either because the market is not what it was, either because they handle imagination in the face of competition, or because that the crenel is no longer carrier?
If there is an update in September, it will be interesting to be very important because the competition does not make a gift. It is only to see the last update of Pa4X Korg, otherwise more innovative and yet on a model that is already over 5 years!

Good luck for the Genos' owners !
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: corsaman on June 28, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
one but about this fix:
-Changes: When operating the on-screen knobs and vertical sliders, the first touch will not change the value immediately, but only select (focus) it.

what about midi and styles, by playing a midi file or a style i want to search for the next file for the next song but after doing this with the scroll wheel the stupid software is starting the file automatically  ... almost Tyros has this feature ! Yamaha come on!!! fix this ISSUE!!!! if is possible to fix the touch screen focus then i expect also for the scroll wheel

Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Eric, B on June 28, 2019, 09:33:36 PM
I am for one very happy with the update.  ;D
Like Abby said I did not expect anything.
Yamaha did exactly update what it said it would.
Nothing more nothing less.
It works as advertised.
All the speculations made people unhappy.
Yamaha did not make any promises beyond of what they say they would do.
I like the changes and are very happy with them.
First and foremost it still plays the same: Awesome styles and sounds.
Everything else is icing on the cake.
Could it be better? Of course. ...
Is there a perfect KB? No.
Perfect maybe for the individual. But not all.
I read many forums and the complainers are only a handful if you count them up.
I feel sorry for them, because no company will cater to the minorities.
Bugs need to be fixed. Of course.
I have been able to do gigs and awesome music since the PSR-8000.
No KB had it all, but I always found work arounds to do what I needed to do ...
Boy; have we come a long way ...  ;D
Who knows, maybe one day we will get all the features everybody wants ...
Ugawoga did not get 50 pounds, but mine makes a nice cup of espresso now (US Version  ;D ;D ;D)
Happy playing everybody. That's what I am going to do  ;D
Regards
Eric
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: StuartR on June 28, 2019, 10:25:35 PM
I wonder if they did plan to bring additional features in this update, but later figured out they needed more time to implement them and decided to add them in a later update. Just speculation from my side, but who knows.

Well it took Yamaha over a year to produce this update so I find it hard to believe that another significant one will be released in the next 6 months, unless if course it's already well into the works.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EileenL on June 28, 2019, 10:55:16 PM
Like you Eric I am very happy with the update and like the sliders now as they seem much better to use.
  I guess there is a perfect system out there I think it is called a CD player. ;) :D
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 28, 2019, 11:10:38 PM
The 1.4 Genos most comments are so different though.😋

Some people are pleased others are not.

Finally, many Genos owners, who sent their reaction today, are confirming they like their newest high end arranger - with or without the latest update 1.4 -.

Hopefully in 3 - 4 weeks from now, when all emotions are gone and people had the time to test the update 1.4 well, I would be grateful to hear if this update has brought what Yamaha have promised.

Herewith I'd like to thank all Genos owners for their comments of today.

Best wishes,
Babette
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Eric, B on June 28, 2019, 11:13:43 PM
Like you Eric I am very happy with the update and like the sliders now as they seem much better to use.
  I guess there is a perfect system out there I think it is called a CD player. ;) :D

Good one Eileen  ;D
It gave me a good chuckle  ;D
Thanks
Eric
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ckobu on June 28, 2019, 11:20:54 PM
I wonder if they did plan to bring additional features in this update, but later figured out they needed more time to implement them and decided to add them in a later update. Just speculation from my side, but who knows.

I think they had enough time. The last update to the PRG file was 11. 06.

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Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 28, 2019, 11:21:53 PM

....It seems that all the other stuff are things that should have been there from day one......

I remember posters here claiming the Genos was perfect already when it  IMHO was unusable for gigging. 

I installed 1.4.  not understanding that unlike previous updates it was not reversible.  As a fact I like the new home page features and I  do not use pedals as I stand and have so far not found changes that would make me want to go back. But   

I repectfully claim removing features irreversibly  is  disrespectful to put it mildly.

and cannot help feeling that way just as I felt removing features when bringing to market a new top-model is not what one expects  (completely different animal).

I am looking forward to reading what excuses posters will come up with for inexcusable irreversible feature removal on a product you have paid for. Will it be, "Genos is the best keyboard ever created, if you do not like what they did to you,  sell it " ?

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EileenL on June 28, 2019, 11:36:18 PM
When Genos first came out I was still gigging and used all my set ups I had on my Tyros 5. All went very well and I had no problems taking it out. Slowly I have changed some of the voices to the newer ones and changed a few styles but still use a few set ups from my Tyros 5. I have never had a problem and still enjoy my Genos. I am pleased with the update and find the sliders are working much better now and am pleased we can make the keyboard more into what we want with the addition of more assignable choices.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: ugawoga on June 28, 2019, 11:37:50 PM
Hi
I cannot see how updating the Genos affects the use .
Updates are always for the better, but you have to adapt to a different way of thinking sometimes with updates
Having that extra memory for midi setups is great , because when i did a song and made a few movements and saved the to Genos, it ran out of memory, so i had to keep adjusting the mixer everytime i played the song. For recording to the Genos sequencer wave file, it was tricky before. You had to keep manually mixing. Now the extra memory and Cubase helps a lot.
The front screen is good and the programming of sliders cannot be bad.
It does not affect the previous use.
With the Genos for gigging i would think that you would have to pre plan everything as there is so much to consder.

All the Best
John  :)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Eric, B on June 28, 2019, 11:47:14 PM
I don't know any KB on the market that is perfect or ever will be as our needs change.
However, a good friend of mine is still gigging with his trusted PSR-3000 full time.
I have never heard him complain.
He just makes music, puts on a killer show and supports his family.
I have gigged with many KB's. All have given me tremendous joy.
Sorry you find the Genos unusable for gigging.
Maybe you should look into other options as there are many out there.
Nobody can tell us what to buy or play.
Hopefully we make the best educated decision and go with it ....
At least it works for me.
Keep writing to Yamaha. They might listen.
They had meetings in Germany with users and listened.
Many things were implemented.
Who knows. Don't give up.  ;)
Regards
Eric
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Fred Smith on June 28, 2019, 11:58:41 PM

I installed 1.4.  not understanding that unlike previous updates it was not reversible. 


All you had to do was read the warning on the download page. That's why they put it there.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: augere50@gmail.com on June 29, 2019, 12:25:43 AM
Hi Ladies and Gents,
     Hate to sound like an ingrate---but--Yamaha could have thrown in a couple of new styles and Registrations
Thanks Frank
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 29, 2019, 12:35:21 AM
All you had to do was read the warning on the download page. That's why they put it there.

Cheers,
Fred

Yes Fred, you are right, I goofed,   :o  I overlooked the warning,  which did not cause me any problems in this case as for me 1.4. was an improvement. and what was removed did not matter to me.

I will have to be more careful and check there is not a sign at my  gas station saying

"Warning,  we will remove your battery  when you bring your car for the free oil change we offer"   ;) ;) ;)

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Eric, B on June 29, 2019, 01:02:13 AM
That's why you always carry a spare battery ...  ;D
Or was it a tire ...
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: franksboard on June 29, 2019, 02:00:23 AM
Firmware upgrade will not go past step one.waited 30 minutes and only thing on screen is program installer
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: beykock on June 29, 2019, 06:25:49 AM
Hi Abby :

It looks like you must have no fear to install the new update 1.4.

According to our experts like Eileen and others the update only makes your Genos a lot better than it ever was before.

Plse read their comments and you might be convinced.

Good luck !
Babette

Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EileenL on June 29, 2019, 11:42:20 AM
Hi franksboard,
  I would download the update again to your computer just incase the first download got corrupted. Once on your computer click to open folder and then you will see the file. Just highlight this and copy and then paste it to your USB. Of course make sure the USB stick you are using is good quality and has enough space on it to take the update.
  It must work because a lot of us have updated with no problems.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Pianoman on June 29, 2019, 12:15:33 PM
I have to sing and play every day, so I think I'll wait at least a month before installing this
update. To see how others are getting along with their update.
I can't afford to have something weird happening during a gig.

Yamaha, The Journey Continues.

Best Regards.
Abby.

The "Yamaha, The Journey Continues " statement above  was of course sarcasm.

Yesterday, at the last minute, I said to myself what the **** and installed the update
anyway.

The gig went without a hitch but now there is a huge kind of beat or tempo bar at the
top of the screen goingr from left to right that I find ugly and can't remove it.

I had already assigned a small discreet tempo display at the bottom of my screen.
The huge bar makes one look very amateur.

I appreciate that one can now touch the on screen buttons without making people jump
in fright or blowing ip your speakers.
The slider manipulation seems to have been improved too.

From what I have read, It seems a lot of the other stuff is related to Midi and Midifile users,
which is really not for me, as I never use Midifiles and never will.

Ibiza is full of Midifile users faking that they are actually playing, and I find that disgusting,
as it takes work away from real musicians who have spent decades, if not a lifetime,
training and perfecting their playing.

I don't understand why any self respecting musician would want to use these things
anyway.

I won't have time to look at whatever other features are there till next Wednesday when I
will have the evening off, so I can't comment on things that I haven't looked at yet.

My Genos and all my other gear stays in my car in the garage all week, except on my day
off, when I bring it inside.

Best Regards.
Abby.

Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: reya on June 29, 2019, 01:25:56 PM
.... - especially since you can't revert to Version 1.3. I've never heard of that in all the years I've been working with computers.

Well, in my IT career, I did come across situations where reverting to earlier software releases was not possible. It mainly had to do with changes beeing implemented in internal file or data structures of the O.S.
When installing the release that introduced those changes, a conversion process took place to change the structures from the old format to the new one.
If afterwards an older software version was installed again, then this old release was not able to read the new data structure format, causing it to fail to run.

Now I am wondering if maybe, just maybe Yamaha introduced changes in their internal file structures in this 1.4 update because they are needed for other, bigger functionality changes that will come in the next (rumoured) release of later this year....
They could of course have introduced the file structure changes and the functionality changes in one and the same software release, but maybe they decided to split it up into two updates in order to reduce complexity ....
I have seen that happen for this reason before ...

Rudy
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: frozzers on June 29, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
Abby

One big plus from the update is there are a number of bug fixes around the Genos freezing.

From the Yamaha firmware update page, Version History:

-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would occasionally become unresponsive to operations when executing Search.
-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would occasionally become unresponsive to operations when changing the mode of Wireless LAN.
-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would become unresponsive to operations when the pop-up window is closed in certain situations.
-Fixed a problem in which the instrument would become unresponsive to operations when saving a file in certain situations.

Perhaps one of these actions led to your previous Genos freeze?

We may never know but hopefully no more freezes from now on.  :)

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Fred Smith on June 29, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Now I am wondering if maybe, just maybe Yamaha introduced changes in their internal file structures in this 1.4 update because they are needed for other, bigger functionality changes that will come in the next (rumoured) release of later this year....
They could of course have introduced the file structure changes and the functionality changes in one and the same software release, but maybe they decided to split it up into two updates in order to reduce complexity ....
I have seen that happen for this reason before ...

I agree, Rudy. I've seen lots of cases where you couldn't revert because of a file structure change.

In the case of 1.4, I suspect it's because the registration file changed to accommodate the splitting of Song into Midi Song and Audio Song. When new registrations are created with this structure, the old OS would not be able to handle them and would fail.

Those clamoring for improvements to the Genos will have to accept that fact that to move forward, you can't go backward.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: panos on June 29, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
.....there is a huge kind of beat or tempo bar at the top of the screen going from left to right that I find ugly and can't remove it.....

....Ibiza is full of Midifile users faking that they are actually playing....
Abby.

Abby,
from the movement you are describing I tend to believe it is the old time Classic Atari ping pong.
Usefull for the user to have fun until the midi file is over maybe! :)
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Carlos84 on June 30, 2019, 08:39:23 AM
i have a I mac how can i open this file EXEC? 
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Fred Smith on June 30, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
i have a I mac how can i open this file EXEC?

You don’t open it. You just follow the instructions.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 30, 2019, 12:23:49 PM

I had already assigned a small discreet tempo display at the bottom of my screen.The huge bar makes one look very amateur.


Dear highly appreciated Abby,

here the difference between  a highly accomplished professional younger performer and the old color  blind amateur gigger  manifests itself; I was very happy to finally have a  big "walking" beat indicator.
BTW I remember how happy I was to upgrade to a new Tyros when YAMAHA finally after many years realized some 6 % of the world population cannot see the difference between green and  red and did replacee green by blue. The Genos buttons are very much to my liking.
It has been said they will not stand up in professional use. I believe they will just as the excellent keys. My Genos keys are from Tyros I and have stood up for would you believe it 17 years of use.
(I added a little bit of extra weight to them due to arthritis in my fingers, a work so time consuming I have always transferred the keys to the next model) 
Knowing they were exactly the same I could not help smiling  when Genophones claimed the new keys on Genos were one of the many improvements. ;)

MIDI FILE PLAYER.
an implementation you Abby will never use but some do use. I do for backing up my singing and melody improvising.  I need to concentrate on using  both hands  for that, which I cannot do using styles. Second truth, YES, definitly, but so are styles ;)  Where is the drummer ? He lost his job just like the switchboard operator. (I never went to a disco, wonder whther at the Walldorf they still have a lady playing a harp ?)

Genos still lacks a " move a track to another midichannel" feature which  I have been griping about. (many readers, no replies).
You may have a piano on several  tracks if the creator was professional like  the excellent programmers at YAMAHA Soft who also never change the instrument on a track like some others do,  but add a track in case it is needed. Right hand piano and left hand piano always have their own track. But even they have only standardized the drums to always be on ch 10, bass may be on any channel so you have to put it in"your standard place". Mine is 8 so I see it on the first mixer page.
But Genos shows a piano icon on the tracks you have deleted instead of something indicating it is empty. "Genophones" will advise you there is a Work Around, e.g. go to mixer page and you will see some pianos do not play.   Best possible implementation of the best top keyboard ever ?  ::)

I for one never did run out of  "length" so that did not matter to me, but I am happy those who did have a problem now have been helped.
Like our friend from Rumania feels:  Genos fortunately for YAMAHA appeals to different users and unfortunately that means YAMAHA  will be requested to take care of a lot of different requirements.

The  posters insisting "if you bought it and don't like,  it sell it or shut up" are not only not nice to fellow buyers,  :( to me it seems manufacturers' who in the past subscribed to that idea are gone. I remember quite a few.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: jwyvern on June 30, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
Quoting Kaarlo,
"Genos still lacks a " move a track to another midichannel" feature which  I have been griping about. (many readers, no replies). "
I'm not sure it does (lack it). Tyros had a merge feature in midi which let you do it. This now metamorphoses into a Mix  feature in the Multi recorder screen of Genos. You can select up to 2 source channels and merge or transfer them into a destination channel. I rarely use midi nowadays, preferring audio at present, but it might be worth you checking it out to see if Mix will do what you want.

John
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EileenL on June 30, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Yes John,
This I think is what Kaarlo is wanting to take two piano tracks and merge them into one. You can then just delete the track you have moved and free it up for further use.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 30, 2019, 02:47:47 PM
Yes John,
This I think is what Kaarlo is wanting to take two piano tracks and merge them into one. You can then just delete the track you have moved and free it up for further use.


Thanks Eileen,
Sorry, once again as so often I was not able to put in English what the issue is . I am not trying to merge anything.  With 16 ch available that need is very rare and in that case I will rather delete a less imortant channel than merge anything to free up a channel. 16 channels  already sound like "a recording" not someone playing.

I am trying to put tracks in the standard order I have them in, in order to be able to use the mixer intuitively during playback. The base might have sounded ok at home but needs volume adjustment in a"boomy" gig environment. If channel order is not stadardized in the heat of the moment I will not move the right slider.   I have done this reordering for decades on Midifile Optimizer.  E.g.  Melody on  ch/track1, second voice on ch/track 2  rhythm guitar on 3  ..... base on 8 and of course leave drums on ch 10.

Genos relieves me of going to my PC to do that with a well laid our page.  There is a copy, there is a transpose, there is a delete function. Even a very good "undo" button. All very necessary as you may want to transpose the file to suit your voice which may make a track sound too low or high.
But there is no  "move ch X to ch Y" function. You can copy channel X to channel Y in case Y is empty (and it will not copy if  X to Y if Y is not empty, (but does not tell you why it did not) 
Then after the first operation you have to delete X  as the function is COPY not move,  but the icon will change to piano, which is confusing to me as there is no piano in the empty ch and on other channels having the piano icon there is for instance  left hand and right hand piano. 
I trust a professonal programmer (that is what separates them from the mateurs, I do not say that to bash them, I am hard pressed even to record a chord progression, which btw was extremely easy on Technics) never to put left hand and right hand on the same channel as you might fot instance if you sing to the file want to change the boogiewoogie left hand piano to bass. It would be nice ito have a move function but more imortant  an emptied channel  show it is empty, NOT carrying the piano icon. A deleted bass turning into piano confuses me. 

Additionally on my Genos it is often from the very beginning in the copying procedure  impossible to chose  "source" and "destination" track, no amounta of clicking will let you override what the software has decided is "source" and what is "destination". Only power cycling will help.


Hope I was this time able to explain what I mean. 

Thanks for any help.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EileenL on June 30, 2019, 04:38:29 PM
 Hi Kaarlo,
  This is easily done. Select your midi file in song creator. firstly make sure track eight is empty. Find the track with the bass on Let us say it is eleven. At the bottom of the screen you will see Copy. Press this and you will now see at the right of the screen source and destination. Press the source track which will be eleven Press this and you will now see source under the track. You want the destination to be track eight so press eight and you will see destination under the track. Now press Execute. Your bass will now be on track eight. Remember to save the song again.
  I have just sat and done it so I know it works fine.



Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Bud2 on June 30, 2019, 09:09:14 PM
I have just thought of one thing which I definitely thought they would address, that is the keyboard still does not go to lower case after you have selected upper case and typed that first letter, like it does on every electronic keyboard I have used. I would have thought this was a quick and easy fix seeing as all electronic keybords do it. Shame on you Yamaha.
Bill
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: elad770 on June 30, 2019, 09:18:35 PM
I have just thought of one thing which I definitely thought they would address, that is the keyboard still does not go to lower case after you have selected upper case and typed that first letter, like it does on every electronic keyboard I have used. I would have thought this was a quick and easy fix seeing as all electronic keybords do it. Shame on you Yamaha.
Bill

Never thought about it but i think this will actually be useful!
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 30, 2019, 11:41:02 PM
Dear Eileen,
as always your immediate answer is something we all VERY much appreciate. Thanks!

" Select your midi file in song creator.  done   firstly make sure track eight is empty. done   Find the track with the bass on. Let us say it is eleven. I am not sure I understand what you mean by find, am I correct that does not mean you have to do anything before pressing COPY  after which you choose source  11 and destination 8  ?At the bottom of the screen you will see Copy.  seen    Press this (COPY) and you will now see at the right of the screen source and destination.   seen   Press the source track which will be eleven    done   Press this (11) and you will now see source under the track.   seen  You want the destination to be track eight so press eight and you will see destination under the track.  seen Now press Execute. Your bass will now be on track eight.  it is Remember to save the song again"    done

I am afraid I am aware that is the way to do it, and I believe that is exactly the way I go about it. That it functions 2/3 of the time seems to confirm that.  I just did it again  4 times, but again I had one time when the software would not let me choose the source and the destination after pressing COPY, the software had already made the (wrong) decision for me and no amount of pushing anything made it change its mind e.g. the Song Creator once again stalled.  As earlier it let me do  my choices  after repowering  Genos.  And again during the proceeding the
 
1
deleted channel on my Genos still shows the icon of what was on the channel before the delete operation, so I always feel unsure whether I successfully deleted the track and

2
after saving and reloading the file I have the piano icon on the deleted channel though there is no piano on it. I must check that in the mixer. (If I remember correctly that actually was the same on T5. Empty channes misleadingly carry the piano icon instead of something explanatory ) 

(The whole process is a prime example of an implementation being vastly more complicated and less intuitive than it was on the previous top model, which some of us do not expect when we "upgrade" May be we live in times gone bye).

Dear Eileen, I hate to bother you, but could you please just confirm   1  and  2  is how it is  on Genos.

The need to repower  1/3  of the times I do not ask you to confirm, as that might be a bug in the software that has not been taken care of since os 1.1.

Once more thanks for your time.

Cheers

Kaarlo   


     
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: EileenL on July 01, 2019, 12:29:26 AM
The piano icon will always be shown on an empty track the same as most Yamaha keyboards.
  You can always check if a track is empty by starting the song playing and watching the red indicator
 light on the channels that have data in them.
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: frozzers on July 01, 2019, 06:21:37 AM
I have just thought of one thing which I definitely thought they would address, that is the keyboard still does not go to lower case after you have selected upper case and typed that first letter, like it does on every electronic keyboard I have used. I would have thought this was a quick and easy fix seeing as all electronic keybords do it. Shame on you Yamaha.
Bill

I brought this up a while back:

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47621.msg373037.html#msg373037

And I repeat, moving the apostrophe to the first page would be great!

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Carlos84 on July 01, 2019, 07:58:48 AM
You don’t open it. You just follow the instructions.
but i read this  C it say Extract the prg  file but how can i extract it if i not can open it?

1) Download the firmware
 a) Download the Zip file to the computer.
 b) Connect the USB flash drive to your computer.
 c) Extract the *.prg file and copy it to the root directory of your USB flash drive.
Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: valimaties on July 01, 2019, 08:40:02 AM
but i read this  C it say Extract the prg  file but how can i extract it if i not can open it?

If you cannot open ZIP file ( ??? ...  ) you must install 7-zip, or any archive software . But, I recommend 7-zip. 64 or 32 bit, depending on your OS version.

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: A new update 1.4 has arrived
Post by: Lee Batchelor on July 01, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
Quote
And I repeat, moving the apostrophe to the first page would be great!
Yes!! The period or inner and outer brackets could be replaced with the apostrophe!! Obviously, the designer of this QWERTY keyboard languages is NOT well versed in English.