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Title: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: pjd on April 06, 2019, 06:43:24 PM
Attached is a snap from the Genos v1.40 pre-release announcement.

Please discuss.  :)

-- pj

P.S. This snap is copied from the Yamaha video announcement.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: pjd on April 06, 2019, 06:46:26 PM
Looks like Yamaha is finally using the narrow space at the top of the main screen. Is that a bar and beat indicator in the upper left corner?


-- pj


Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: soundphase on April 06, 2019, 06:51:39 PM
Right => transposition
Middle => 4 main pages perhaps (the bar with 4 parts )
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 06, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
Right => transposition
Middle => 4 main pages perhaps (the bar with 4 parts )

I think the middle is a beat indicator as PJ indicated...
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: jwyvern on April 06, 2019, 07:14:22 PM
Left= Tempo (duplicating existing in the style box).
Next = Bar and Beat counter (duplicate).
Middle = Beat display
Next= Keyboard Transpose
Next= Master or Song Transpose. (the icon is more like the Master)
Rightmost = Time as existing


John
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EB5AGV on April 06, 2019, 07:29:38 PM
I wonder what they mean exactly by EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT

Right now, using a USB video card, I was able to use an external monitor, which was just the same display on the Genos display, but it was slower to refresh... would that mean they have changed/updated the driver, so to say?

Jose
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ckobu on April 06, 2019, 07:40:45 PM
I think @jwyvern hit everything except Keyboard Transpose. I think it's split keyboards.
EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT = external display with a touch screen

But what about the measure of SkyPop style? The picture shows 1/8 while we now have 4/4. News in Style Editor?
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 06, 2019, 07:42:12 PM
I wonder what they mean exactly by EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT

Right now, using a USB video card, I was able to use an external monitor, which was just the same display on the Genos display, but it was slower to refresh... would that mean they have changed/updated the driver, so to say?

Jose

Would be nice to use an ipad as external screen...
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bill on April 06, 2019, 07:44:22 PM
Not to sure about the 2 right most Icons

Bill
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 06, 2019, 07:46:02 PM
I think @jwyvern hit everything except Keyboard Transpose. I think it's split keyboards.
EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT = external display with a touch screen

But what about the measure of SkyPop style? The picture shows 1/8 while we now have 4/4. News in Style Editor?

The 4/4 is still there, i think its another way of showing its currently in measure 1 of 8 in that variation..
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 06, 2019, 07:48:27 PM
Not to sure about the 2 right most Icons

Bill
The left one is + or - a full octave
The right one could me a simple transpose..
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: maartenb on April 06, 2019, 08:00:18 PM
Not to sure about the 2 right most Icons

As others have also said:

It's the same as for the shortcut buttons at the bottom of the screen. I removed the Demo shortcut and placed the transpose shortcut there, exactly for the reason of being able to see the transpose. With 1.4 it is shown at the top. Nice!


And, probably a red bouncing ball on the external display with 1.4!

I hope they add a Chord Sequencer, too...


Maarten
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ckobu on April 06, 2019, 08:03:41 PM
Bachus, I think you're right.
For now we have this situation.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: panos on April 06, 2019, 09:01:01 PM
I think also that 1/8 is the pattern length of the style part.
In the Skypop style main A,intro 3 & ending 3 they have 8 measures.
The picture from above is probably from main A.
May I ask something to Genos users?
Is it important and convinient for the voices icons to be that big?
Do they help you in live playing or something?
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 06, 2019, 09:39:21 PM

Transpose (in semitone steps)


Might also be in octaves, the symbol represents a full octave

Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 06, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
May I ask something to Genos users?
Is it important and convinient for the voices icons to be that big?
Do they help you in live playing or something?

Its a “touch” screen, and big icons are easy to touch..
For me personally its very convenient
Espescially when compared to the much smaller icons on the pa4x i used to own.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: rbackes on April 06, 2019, 10:46:08 PM
Its a “touch” screen, and big icons are easy to touch..
For me personally its very convenient
Espescially when compared to the much smaller icons on the pa4x i used to own.

yes, but I think those pictures are mostly 'eye-candy' and do not provide so much additional information compared to the size.
For me they could be shrunk to half of their height, leaving enough area even for really big fingers. The screen space won could be used e.g. for another row of menu-buttons at the bottom.

Rainer
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 07, 2019, 12:15:24 AM

..... May I ask something to Genos users?
Is it important and convinient for the voices icons to be that big?


THANKS Panos for bringing that up.  My answer is of course NO.  I have been asking myself what kind of people love all these  "wonderful pixel and design work and space wasting super large  but unclear icons. " The most extreme examples of good for nothing pop up when you go to demos.
Must be that YAMAHA vendors love them like some people seem to like "de - clarifying"  PC and phone desktops with good for nothing background photos of their dogs, wifes, granchildren and or cars. These icons servo no purpose just like we had flying papers when copying something in XP. 

What would serve a porpose was listing with what styles and settings you can duplicate the demos, but admittedly they are so complicated  and non- style based that that would not help but clarify:  "please undertand these demos are not what you will be able to do."   

Icon-related things seem to be difficult for the present developers.  I miss a lot of the Tyros Icons that we had earlier. Strangely if you had an icon transferred with a style or whatever   Genos reproduces them, but I can find them nowhere when programming somthing on Genos.  Please any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Stijn on April 07, 2019, 08:52:44 AM

Icon-related things seem to be difficult for the present developers.  I miss a lot of the Tyros Icons that we had earlier. Strangely if you had an icon transferred with a style or whatever   Genos reproduces them, but I can find them nowhere when programming somthing on Genos.  Please any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Kaarlo

Hello Kaarlo,
Tyros 3 had lots of icons to choose from, Tyros 4 and 5 had less icons. There are over 400 icons to choose from but Genos only shows 160 of them.
The thing is that you cannot select the other icons on the Genos or Tyros while saving Styles, Registrations and so on.

You need a PC to replace the reference at  the end of a file name. For instance the file name Johnny Guitar.S085.RGT; the S085 stands for a Guitar and if you want to change it to an icon showing 'Keys' you would change the reference to S792.

See the attached list.

Stijn

Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 07, 2019, 10:55:50 AM
yes, but I think those pictures are mostly 'eye-candy' and do not provide so much additional information compared to the size.
For me they could be shrunk to half of their height, leaving enough area even for really big fingers. The screen space won could be used e.g. for another row of menu-buttons at the bottom.

Rainer

I own both a modx and a Genos
modx has no icons
I can asure you these icons are more then just eye candy
To me they make things easy recognisable
Where on the modx i allways need to read small print

I think other modx owners now exactly where i cone from
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EB5AGV on April 07, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
In an ideal world they would be configurable in size and even display distribution... I find them a bit on the too large size, but for me it is not a big problem. If you use a larger external display, then, yes, they are huge  ;)

Jose
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: panos on April 07, 2019, 12:09:16 PM
The icons and the colours are nice I just wondered if by having a smaller size it could make space to enlarge the letters for all the other displayed informations you need when you look at the screen.
If a keyboardist having a problem to hit the right spot with his finger and needs such big icons,
I wonder how he deals with the style,reg,pad,OTS buttons.
Also for people that have visibility problems could be any useful? Or at least to some of them maybe?
I remember a lady having trouble to navigate to the menou with the voice help.
I wish they improve also this function or have an application or something to help these people to play music with keyboards.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kokoriz on April 07, 2019, 02:50:35 PM
I hope they add DAW remote control like on the MOXF for Cubase.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 07, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
I hope they add DAW remote control like on the MOXF for Cubase.

Would be nice, but i don’t think we will see this...

Personally i would love an option to load user created arps...
And an option to save them to a usb stick, the same way you save styles, songs, multipads etc...

But what really needs attention is the dsp interface and the way you can save all 28 edited dsp and their routing to a performance..

Other things like being able to edit and create sounds on board.. or have a piano roll for midi edditing, is something i don’t expect...
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: StuartR on April 07, 2019, 06:29:09 PM
Would be nice, but i don’t think we will see this...

Personally i would love an option to load user created arps...
And an option to save them to a usb stick, the same way you save styles, songs, multipads etc...

But what really needs attention is the dsp interface and the way you can save all 28 edited dsp and their routing to a performance..

Other things like being able to edit and create sounds on board.. or have a piano roll for midi edditing, is something i don’t expect...

I'd be happy to have the sliders not immediately jump to their current position if they get accidentally bumped. I think there's a software remediation possible there. Also the keyboard capitalization should return from upper to lower case after the first capital letter (as most other software keyboards do).
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 07, 2019, 07:37:32 PM
I'd be happy to have the sliders not immediately jump to their current position if they get accidentally bumped. I think there's a software remediation possible there.

Most keyboards, including my modx, allow you to choose from several different behaviors..
This is definately one of these updates i do expect
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Wil5560 on April 08, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
Truly hope that the bouncing ball with external monitor problem is solved with the new upcoming V1.4. Currently the bouncing ball when watching and wanting to play with the score is always behind and delayed which is extremely annoying. Previous Tyros 5 never showed this problem.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on April 08, 2019, 01:51:49 PM
Hi
Get rid of that bouncy ball  and have have a proper music score screen with chords showng.
That could be sent to monitor screen.
A slow scroll down ongoing so that you always stay in the middle of the music.
That is my take on it
Intelligent score reading would be great that  follows you  :)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: StuartR on April 08, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
Most keyboards, including my modx, allow you to choose from several different behaviors..
This is definately one of these updates i do expect

Ah- good news that the new MODX has that.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: AlBags on April 08, 2019, 05:19:16 PM

Quite WHY they had to nick the music from The Crystal Maze ... is anyones guess!

I'm sure there will be MANY updates in 1.4, not just the screen display.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EileenL on April 09, 2019, 12:19:28 PM
Well we shall soon know.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Joe H on April 09, 2019, 03:45:30 PM
This is interesting.  Yamaha is using the same marketing tactic with this new OS update as they did with the release of the Genos in the first place. IE; leak some info and get people to speculate about what's coming.  This must be a new generation marketing approach... and it's working!

 :)   ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: chony on April 09, 2019, 11:03:43 PM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks this going to be a great upgrade. In the programming world, when there's a major step up, new features, or anything beyond basic changes, the version number jumps. If Yamaha was releasing something special, it would go from 1.3 to 2.0. This is 1.3 to 1.4, so expect an upgrade along the lines of what we got from 1.0 to 1.1: Basically, bug fixes, OS improvements, ease of use improvements, GUI improvements, basic feature improvements.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: StuartR on April 10, 2019, 05:41:50 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks this going to be a great upgrade. In the programming world, when there's a major step up, new features, or anything beyond basic changes, the version number jumps. If Yamaha was releasing something special, it would go from 1.3 to 2.0. This is 1.3 to 1.4, so expect an upgrade along the lines of what we got from 1.0 to 1.1: Basically, bug fixes, OS improvements, ease of use improvements, GUI improvements, basic feature improvements.

I'm not sure we ever said it would  be a "great" update. Yamaha has stated that it would be an "extensive update". Quibbling over their choice of version number increments is, IMHO, just that.

To quote from their announcement:  "This extensive update brings new performance possibilities for Live Controls, new assignable options, enhancements of the user interface and the ability to connect an external screen."
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Dromeus on April 10, 2019, 08:49:42 AM
Well, whether "great" or "extensive", at the end of the day it's all subjective. Yamaha may call it "extensive", but the exact list of improvements remains to be seen. My experience of life is, that you should be sceptical towards announcements from marketing departments.

Again, when it comes to valueing the forthcomping update, it's all subjective. Of course we have to wait 'til June (at least) to have the facts straight. But, what is already known today is completely useless FOR ME. Of course, even at this stage your mileage may vary. This doesn't mean I do complain, after all the update will be free. Being a loyal Yamaha customer for 20 years I'd be very surprised if the June update will contain a (IMHO, subjective!) substantial improvement. E.g. let's say creating your own user arpeggios.

Bottom line, I don't expect anything from the update, so I won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: pjd on April 10, 2019, 02:33:58 PM
Bottom line, I don't expect anything from the update, so I won't be disappointed.

Thanks, Michael. What I need is an update to my playing skills and Yamaha isn't selling that!  :)

All the best -- pj
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Fred Smith on April 10, 2019, 03:06:23 PM

Bottom line, I don't expect anything from the update, so I won't be disappointed.

Here’s my speculation:  we’ll see a post from you about how disappointed you were with the update.

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Dromeus on April 10, 2019, 03:24:56 PM
What I need is an update to my playing skills and Yamaha isn't selling that!  :)

There's some advice from Don Airey, and it's free: "Practice, practice, practice!"  ;D

And another one from Malcom Gladwell: “Hard work is only a prison sentence when you lack motivation.”

HTH  ;)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on April 10, 2019, 03:27:07 PM
INFINITY!!! 8)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 10, 2019, 05:51:59 PM
..... My experience of life is, that you should be sceptical towards announcements from marketing departments.


THANKS DROMEUS.  I renounced my well paid board membership in a rather successful advertising agency some years ago for exactly the reason you state.

Cheers

Kaarlo

Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 11, 2019, 07:10:38 PM
This is interesting.  Yamaha is using the same marketing tactic with this new OS update as they did with the release of the Genos in the first place. IE; leak some info and get people to speculate about what's coming.  This must be a new generation marketing approach... and it's working!

 :)   ;)

Joe H
With everyone being dissapointed when the speculations are far from the truth?
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: mikf on April 11, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
There's some advice from Don Airey, and it's free: "Practice, practice, practice!"  ;D

And another one from Malcom Gladwell: “Hard work is only a prison sentence when you lack motivation.”

HTH  ;)
Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. This is why I no longer practice golf - I would only be perfecting my faults ;D
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on April 12, 2019, 01:19:50 AM
Don Airy is definitely 100% right 8)
In my view there is not much wrong with the Genos. Always a workaround.
I find practicing a lot gets you nowhere if you keep battling  constantly.
Walk away for a day and you will be surprised what sinks in when you come back.
For my experience there is a little gremlin that drip feeds me a little every week and only time gets me further along the road.
That gemlin will not let you run .You have to do a lots of walking!! 8) :P ;D
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 12, 2019, 10:20:23 AM
Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. This is why I no longer practice golf - I would only be perfecting my faults ;D

Also smart practice gives faster results, then just replaying the same parts time after time..

There is quite some good youtube tutorials on the art of practicing piano..
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 12, 2019, 05:22:29 PM
Hello Kaarlo,
....There are over 400 icons to choose from but Genos only shows 160 of them.
The thing is that you cannot select the other icons on the Genos or Tyros while saving Styles, Registrations and so on.

You need a PC to replace the reference at  the end of a file name. For instance the file name Johnny Guitar.S085.RGT; the S085 stands for a Guitar and if you want to change it to an icon showing 'Keys' you would change the reference to S792.

See the attached list.

Stijn

Thanks for your help: Strange that indeed   ....."you cannot select the other icons on the Genos  ......while saving Styles, Registrations and so on"  ....   The problem is   I do have a desk top PC,   but it is in the office and that is  a short  walk over the court yard.  For most things like clarinets and saxes the provided icons are clear enough, but for instance for muted trumpet I have not found a trumpet icon which you immediately recognize and for registration banks I also miss what was earlier available like the colorful man with sombrero.

So  it is what has been said so often here, we kind of expect and take for granted that the new top model incorporates everything we got used to and liked,  PLUS  things  we had never even thought about. The number of downloads of your attachement shows people are interested in having catchy icons.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Snicker740 on April 28, 2019, 10:59:34 AM
Through Korg firmware updates, it has expanded Expansion Voices memory for Pa4x.
- First upgrade to 800MB (or 1.5Gb when compressed).
- And when upgrading to OS 3.0, it is 1.5Gb (or 3Gb when compressed).
Will Yamaha's 1.4 upgrade improve Expansion Voices memory for Genos?
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: andyg on April 28, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
I'm not sure why everyone thinks this going to be a great upgrade. In the programming world, when there's a major step up, new features, or anything beyond basic changes, the version number jumps. If Yamaha was releasing something special, it would go from 1.3 to 2.0. This is 1.3 to 1.4, so expect an upgrade along the lines of what we got from 1.0 to 1.1: Basically, bug fixes, OS improvements, ease of use improvements, GUI improvements, basic feature improvements.

When I was involved with programming, things went like this:

New O/S or version of the programme - that got an integer, so 1.0 to 2.0
Updates to the O/S or programme - they got a decimal point increase, so 2.0 to 2.1
Minor amendments to updates etc - they got a 1/100th increase, so 2.1 to 2.1.1

I wasn't alone. Major software houses did, and still do the same. I'm working with Sibelius right now. That went from 7.0 to 7.1 and then bug fixes etc took it to 7.1.3.

So I think 1.4 is right for the next update! Look forward to seeing it, as it fixes many of the niggles we had and adds some more goodies. Alas, as always, there are going to be voices crying that 'this is vital, it should have been done' etc. But it's the same old development story. Manufacturers put on what the vast majority of users want and need, not what the minority of users (and even what some of the designers - me included at times!) want and need. You can never have everything. :(
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: soryt on April 28, 2019, 12:24:48 PM

Don't expect too much, you can't be disappointed either  ;D

 8)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: DerekA on April 28, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
When I was involved with programming, things went like this:

New O/S or version of the programme - that got an integer, so 1.0 to 2.0
Updates to the O/S or programme - they got a decimal point increase, so 2.0 to 2.1
Minor amendments to updates etc - they got a 1/100th increase, so 2.1 to 2.1.1

I wasn't alone. Major software houses did, and still do the same. I'm working with Sibelius right now. That went from 7.0 to 7.1 and then bug fixes etc took it to 7.1.3.

This is known as semantic versioning : https://semver.org/
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 28, 2019, 06:25:21 PM
Through Korg firmware updates, it has expanded Expansion Voices memory for Pa4x.
- First upgrade to 800MB (or 1.5Gb when compressed).
- And when upgrading to OS 3.0, it is 1.5Gb (or 3Gb when compressed).
Will Yamaha's 1.4 upgrade improve Expansion Voices memory for Genos?

Not to be expected...

Korg could do this because they have a technollogy samplestreaming, from Kronos/Oasys..
So only the first part of a sample is in memmory, therest is loaded when needed from the hard disk.
The technollogy was allready in pa4x, but just for user samples.
What they did was add this technollogy to user sample memmory..

Yamaha does not have such a technollogy available (yet)
Altough its nothing special..
Many major pc samplers use this technollogy
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on April 28, 2019, 06:30:57 PM
Don't expect too much, you can't be disappointed either  ;D

 8)

Thats what i said 🤪
Don’t expect anything, and you will be possitively surprised
Expect to much or a specific thing, and you will get dissapointed.

No clue what to expect, there are so many new things and improvements they could add
So in the end all the guessing gets us nowhere..


I posted my long list with possible improvements the week after the introduction
That list still holds true, if it weren’t for someone deleting it...
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: islam01 on May 08, 2019, 06:12:43 PM
Will there be development for legato and portamento features in update 1.4?
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: soryt on May 08, 2019, 07:53:06 PM
Nobody knows  8)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Dromeus on May 09, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
... the trouble I've seen  ;D

(sorry, could not resist)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on May 09, 2019, 08:19:57 PM
Noboddy knows my sorrows 🎼
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on May 11, 2019, 02:50:45 PM
Its almost June..
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on June 01, 2019, 08:05:07 AM
More like July!! :)
Cruel devils that Yamaha marketing team!! ::) :o ;D

Time for better Cubase integration!! The best upgrade that they could make. Unlikely!! :-X
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ckobu on June 01, 2019, 08:14:12 AM
Genos version 1.4 Launching June 28

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50216.msg392404.html#msg392404 (http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50216.msg392404.html#msg392404)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Seagull29 on June 01, 2019, 10:38:54 AM
Hi,
As usual, Yamaha announces a "revolutionary" update and ..... gives birth to a mouse, as they say in France! Of course, it's mocking users!
Regards
Seagull29
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Dromeus on June 01, 2019, 03:40:29 PM
As I said months before (and some didn't like it): don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. If you find somethin' in that update that is useful to you, it's a bonus. Then smile...  ;D
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Fred Smith on June 01, 2019, 07:08:25 PM
As usual, Yamaha announces a "revolutionary" update and ..... gives birth to a mouse, as they say in France! Of course, it's mocking users!
Regards
Seagull29

How can providing a free update with additional features be "mocking" users?

Cheers,
Fred
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: rodrigo.b on June 01, 2019, 08:05:42 PM
How can providing a free update with additional features be "mocking" users?

Cheers,
Fred

Maybe he said that because the Genos is very expensive, and Yamaha still need to improved it with new technologies that now are only available on virtual instruments.

Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: soryt on June 01, 2019, 08:27:51 PM
https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html

It become a long month . . . . .

S,  >:(
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on June 01, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
How can providing a free update with additional features be "mocking" users?

Cheers,
Fred

Thats what i would have said 2 decades ago..

Things have changed since then, outside of the Yamaha Genos world people are used to get regular updates for  every electronics product the buy..  phones, tablets, pc, tv..  even my dishwasher got a software update that reduced water usage. 20%...

Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: acparker on June 02, 2019, 11:18:10 AM
Kinda reminds me of the Gaming Industry currently.

Rush it out the door, and if we sell enough copies, will fix/patch it later.

Hopefully, Yamaha doesn't figure out a way to put loot boxes in ...

Adam
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on June 02, 2019, 11:26:52 AM
Kinda reminds me of the Gaming Industry currently.

Rush it out the door, and if we sell enough copies, will fix/patch it later.

Hopefully, Yamaha doesn't figure out a way to put loot boxes in ...

Adam

I don’t agree with you, the Genos as released in 2017 was a rockstable product from the go...
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EileenL on June 02, 2019, 01:24:13 PM
Yes Bachus I have to agree. Great keyboard from the off.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: stephenm52 on June 02, 2019, 01:25:05 PM
I don’t agree with you, the Genos as released in 2017 was a rockstable product from the go...
Plus 1.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Seagull29 on June 02, 2019, 02:28:29 PM
Yes Bachus I have to agree. Great keyboard from the off.

Hi,
there were some bugs in the first OS. Yamaha has corrected them quickly but if we read what is announced in the next update, there is apparently nothing about the style creator, the possibility of using midi files to make styles, chords sequencer etc .. Only minor updates to the possibilities of the insrument. Unless they do like with the T5 and soon come out a new version of Genos because of competition that may be released at the end of the year an even more powerful model. To be continued....
Good Sunday
Seagull29
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EileenL on June 02, 2019, 02:59:58 PM
I think we are going to find New Pages and new assignable things but as always it is no good guessing we have to wait and see. Genos is a great keyboard as it is.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: PierreSW on June 02, 2019, 06:33:07 PM
Genos is a great keyboard as it is.

Yes Genos is good if you just sit down and play styles, but the rest can be improved masses. ex. midi, you have to load the file for every change you make, that's not the Way in Tyros where it is left in the memory all the time.
Styles are locked for editing, only the drum part can be changed
// Pierre
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on June 02, 2019, 07:44:14 PM
Hi,
there were some bugs in the first OS. Yamaha has corrected them quickly but if we read what is announced in the next update, there is apparently nothing about the style creator, the possibility of using midi files to make styles, chords sequencer etc .. Only minor updates to the possibilities of the insrument. Unless they do like with the T5 and soon come out a new version of Genos because of competition that may be released at the end of the year an even more powerful model. To be continued....
Good Sunday
Seagull29

I have posted a long list about possible Genos improvements,.. new features...
The problem is everyone wants something different
And there are only so many things Yamaha can/will do..


The biggest problem is Yamaha not discussing arranger keyboards with their customers
The big power of the Montage improvements was the fact that on the official yamaha synth forum, they discussed and listened to the Montage population.


I guess Yamah gets mostly fed theiribfo trough shop owners
From which most don’teven realize what the customer misses in their instruments..
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Seagull29 on June 02, 2019, 10:08:49 PM
Hi,
I think the big difference is that the Montage is a synth used mostly by pros, while the Genos, in their eyes, is used largely only by people who just want to have fun and who always according to them, they do not need advanced functions since in their mind they will not use them. The problem is the same as with the T5, updates gadgets!

Regards
Seagull29
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: acparker on June 03, 2019, 11:39:28 AM
I don’t agree with you, the Genos as released in 2017 was a rockstable product from the go...

Fair enough.  I didn't buy one until late 2108, Ver 1.3.  I assumed (never a good idea, really,) that they started at V1.0, and brought out three updates in less than a year.  I further assumed they were bug fixes.

But hey,  don't get me wrong, I love my Genos.  I play it for Church every week, and I have now accompanied a musical with 22 songs! 

Adam
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: jugge on June 03, 2019, 02:26:46 PM
The Genos is an amazing Keyboard. My only wish would be a better built in sequencer that  - if possible - have mouse support.
It doesn't need to an advance sequencer like Cubase, but something that would make editing a bit easier. I am not a fan of using step record for editing and export the file to to cubase first feels a bit contra productive.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: CindyG on June 04, 2019, 01:27:22 AM
The Genos is an amazing Keyboard. My only wish would be a better built in sequencer that  - if possible - have mouse support.
It doesn't need to an advance sequencer like Cubase, but something that would make editing a bit easier. I am not a fan of using step record for editing and export the file to to cubase first feels a bit contra productive.

It would be nice to have a piano roll for midi editing. The Genos has this nice big screen - it would be a shame not to take advantage of that!
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 05, 2019, 10:21:19 PM
Hi,
As usual, Yamaha announces a "revolutionary" update and ..... gives birth to a mouse, as they say in France! Of course, it's mocking users!
Regards
Seagull29

Well, let us first see the mouse, according to the net,  there are many species  called mice which may or may not be closely related to each other and differ vastly in size: house mice, field mice, deer mice, smoky mice, spiny mice, and dormice are all called mice.

Let's hope what we will get is not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOemkE-YAKA

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EileenL on June 06, 2019, 10:59:14 AM
Well said Kaarlo,
  I really don't understand some people. They are complaining about the update before it is even released. I think we are going to be very pleased with it and I am sure no one is mocking anyone.
  Please people stop trying to make Genos owners look like fools. We are not!.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: valimaties on June 06, 2019, 12:24:48 PM
Hi Eileen.
I don't think someone is trying to make Genos owners look like fools... Almost all on this part of forum (Genos forum) are Genos owners. That means they are trying to make themselves fools :o ;D
About how much pleased we will be, we have to wait and see what's going to be in this update. Till now and what I saw in the presentation video, at least display will show REAL needed information, so I'm pleased, not 100%, because I have to see it first. One of my friends, which has a bond with Yamaha's staff, told me that also Tempo Reset function (which most of gigs players missed it) will be available as a assignable function. I'm anxious to see what other news brings this update.

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: beykock on June 06, 2019, 01:13:44 PM

Hi,

It might also be possible the Genos update of June 28, 2019 will be much more important, different and even more useful than ever before.

I think all Genos owners need to be patient and forget all those ( negative ) speculations.
A waste of time and useless frustration, IMO.

Only after installation of this update and several serious tests, the truth will come out, not earlier.

I am almost sure most people will not be disappointed.

Take care, Babette
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: elad770 on June 06, 2019, 03:45:24 PM
I agree!

All this talking and complaining comes from people who will NEVER be satisfied with anything! It's a personality issue and not a feature/Model/Update issue

To date!  i haven't heard any arranger that will even get closer to the Genos in terms of sound quality and sophistication vs User-friendly interface - Best possible of both worlds

I'm a Genos owner but I'm familiar with the market EXTREMELY well

Besides, I hear people play on "Simple" PSR and it sounds amazing! in other words, a talented musician can make a simple keyboard sounds much better than an average Genos owner

It's all about your approach. A positive approach will also affect your music sounding and depth. Those people who complain, I doubt if they are at the level I described. In fact, they are complaining in order to achieve perfection from their arranger. They want the Genos to be EVERYTHING! and the reason for that is for them the instrument is compensating for their lacking rather than complementing and completing them as musicians

Eileen will be a great example to mention because he obviously had older keyboards. Without knowing him i can tell that he was not complaining over every instrument he had to find its flaws rather he's' appreciative that over the years he's allowed to upgrade keyboards to allow him to express his talent in a more profound was. Simple as that!
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Bachus on June 06, 2019, 07:13:44 PM
It would be nice to have a piano roll for midi editing. The Genos has this nice big screen - it would be a shame not to take advantage of that!

Well, haven’t we been asking for this for years..
With the touchscreen it certainly comes close
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on June 07, 2019, 11:26:59 AM
Cubase has great piano roll and a few glitches on the sys ex side
Once that is sorted, then we have a great daw for the Genos :)
It is simple as that.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: panos on June 07, 2019, 01:38:40 PM
Yes Genos is good if you just sit down and play styles, but the rest can be improved masses. ex. midi, you have to load the file for every change you make, that's not the Way in Tyros where it is left in the memory all the time.
Styles are locked for editing, only the drum part can be changed
// Pierre

I believe Jørgen Sørensen's Style Unlocker can also unlock Genos' style parts for furthermore editing.
Maybe you can give it a try to see if it works.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stun/index.htm (http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stun/index.htm)

I cannot understand what do you mean by re-uploading a midi file.
For a change to be applied to a midi file, the modified midi file must be saved firstly to apply the changes(execute and save).Then you can continue the modifications.
If you don't press the "execute" button all changes are just temporary saved but when you exit to another midi file none of them is really saved.

Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on June 07, 2019, 03:06:40 PM
Style unlocker works a treat Panos.

All the best
john :)
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: EileenL on June 07, 2019, 03:18:27 PM
Thank you elad770 for your kind remarks but must tell you I am not a He. I am an 83 year old She.
  I have many keyboards over my time including Korg and Technics but have always come back to  Yamaha as for me they are the best. I have always played live and when out gigging found the OS system so easy to set things up. Genos is definitely at the top of the ladder for me and am looking forward to the new update what ever it brings because they will be improvements. I am not playing a guessing game because that dose not do any good.
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: elad770 on June 07, 2019, 06:55:07 PM
Thank you elad770 for your kind remarks but must tell you I am not a He. I am an 83 year old She.
  I have many keyboards over my time including Korg and Technics but have always come back to  Yamaha as for me they are the best. I have always played live and when out gigging found the OS system so easy to set things up. Genos is definitely at the top of the ladder for me and am looking forward to the new update whatever it brings because they will be improvements. I am not playing a guessing game because that dose not do any good.

Sorry about that! The picture is not clear to me. I'm so blessed that you are active in this forum. I always read your posts and they are very welcoming, positive and constructive!
83?  WOW!! I wish for my self to be involved in music and to contribute to others at this age the same way you are doing!

Good for you.............. ma'am ;D
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: emmaco on June 11, 2019, 04:20:43 PM
I’d like Sync Stop function in Full Keyboard mode…
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 12, 2019, 08:54:13 PM

....forget all ...speculations. A waste of time and useless ....Only after installation of this update and ....the truth will come out...

Thankyou Babette.
  You could not have put it better. I have been wondering what drives people to waste their time speculating just 2 weeks before the update will hopefully be available  ::) ::) ::)

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on June 12, 2019, 09:06:01 PM
I don’t agree with you, the Genos as released in 2017 was a rockstable product from the go...

I respectfully disagree. OS 1.1. was an excellent example of a product put on the market before it was ready. And IMHO anyone who has read this site and your postings knows that.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: ugawoga on June 12, 2019, 11:37:36 PM
It needs a big update like a great leather strap around your neck so you can use the Genos as a Keytar. Also a free weeks weight training course and a brand new hair style to look cool ;D :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Genos v1.4 speculation thread
Post by: Snicker740 on June 15, 2019, 12:46:41 AM
I hope that Yamaha will upgrade and improve STYLE CREATOR. This feature has hardly changed since Tyros 2 so far. It only changes the layout on the Genos touch screen and adds DRUM SETUP from S970.

It still doesn't allow you to edit Velocity a series of notes of the same name, or change a series of notes with the same name. It takes time when you have to move each note in turn.

Etc: It will save a lot of time if you can move all Kick notes at B0 to C1 or Snare D1 to E1 at the same time.