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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Lloyd E on November 24, 2018, 03:18:25 PM
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It's been a very long time since YAMAHA has updated the Genos. What should Yamaha release for updates? Lloyd
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I suspect they're done because they're too busy being nicer to the Montage owners :-\. There are a lot of good requests that seem to be easy for Yamaha to implement. Of course, I'm not a software developer and it may be more difficult than I think. They also may want to have us invest in Genos II to get those needed updates. That's how the marketing guys and bean counters operate.
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They cant solve the Monitor out problems , they cant make a decent page fore programming Mfc10 , they cant make a decent voice editor program on i pad or Pc for the Genos
But they can make this al working om a Modx ? , Why ??????
Soryt :-X
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They cant solve the Monitor out problems , they cant make a decent page fore programming Mfc10 , they cant make a decent voice editor program on i pad or Pc for the Genos. But they can make this al working om a Modx ? , Why ?????? Soryt :-X
Because they simply choose not to. Until Yamaha admits that the Genos is far more than a "sit down with friends around the keyboard and sing a few songs in the living room," diddly squat will be added for us players who bring it to the stage or studio.
They've created an exceptional monster, in a lot of ways better than the Montage and yet, they stifle so many neat things we could be doing. The answer: buy a Montage. Boy, are they smart ;)!
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Hello everybody,
In my opinion, they do not know where to start!
And if we made specific requests, what do you say ????
:D
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Because they simply choose not to. Until Yamaha admits that the Genos is far more than a "sit down with friends around the keyboard and sing a few songs in the living room," diddly squat will be added for us players who bring it to the stage or studio.
They've created an exceptional monster, in a lot of ways better than the Montage and yet, they stifle so many neat things we could be doing. The answer: buy a Montage. Boy, are they smart ;)!
On Yamaha's website, this is what follows:
Digital Workstations
Endless possibilities that give you an incredible collection of sounds, styles, effects and virtual voices.
Not correct according to me, as Yamaha has locked editing capabilities in its keyboards.
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Hi,
I agree with PierreSW. While the Genos is a very good instrument but it is not the monster we want us to believe it is! Its direct competitor, the Korg Pa4X offers much more openness to all levels. The Genos is not a real WorkStation but a big plug & play quick and easy to use. It is only that, even if it sounds good and satisfies those who do not want to go further, which is quite respectable. But as a professional musician, this is not for me a professional instrument as much as can be the model mentioned above which offers not only the plug & play but also all the tools of creation and customization of an instrument . At least we can stand out and be more original.
Regards
Seagull29
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Some Genos owners are not happy with the present updating situation.
Others are very pleased with the Genos as it is today.
Sorry I am confused. 🚦
Babette
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why oh why does Genos need an update when every thing is fine. Genos is a brand new system yous lot are all Making mountains out of mo hills on this forum and the way I see it this forum is flaming Joke you have all slate Genos from Day one on this forum >:(
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Tyrosman, I think everyone who owns a Genos is pretty happy with it. It’s perfectly fair to want certain “streamlining.” I don’t own the Korg, but if it can do as the previous posters say and it’s a much older design than the Genos, then it’s fair to ask Yamaha these questions. In some ways, Yamaha dropped the ball.
To generalize that feelings of condemnation exist on an entire forum is not accurate either. My Genos does everything I need, however, there are some minor improvements that would be very helpful. For example, the lists from which we can choose various items need to be in alphabetical order. The fact Yamaha won’t fix this is not for the lack of ability but just plain arrogance. They hate to admit they’re wrong. In my industry, information may be accurate, but if it’s difficult to retrieve, then it’s useless. Alphabetizing increases retrievabilty. Several convenient, dedicated buttons have been removed from the Genos that existed on the Tyros 5. They've been replaced with "drilling through menus." That is a huge step backward. Nobody who must use a computer or software enjoys drilling through endless menus or scrolling. Those activities are kept to a minimum in well-designed products.
A lot of product designers today have no concept of usability. I suspect it’s because they let the computers do all the designing for them and forget that humans use these products – not computers!! I recently bought a new car that has so many things that are just counter-intuitive and stupid. It's the same thing. The engineers let the computers do all the work without checking to see if the product actually works in the real world. As an aside, this car used to be designed and built in Japan. It was flawless. It is now designed and built in America. It has one issue after another. But I digress...;D
Yes, my friend, we have a few legitimate suggestions.
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I'd like to see a function to automatically alphabetized items in the playlist.
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Agreed, Steve. The Registration List function on the T5 had it. All they need to do is add a simple command button linked to some VERY basic code!! Why does Yamaha drag their feet on concepts that date back to the DOS days of 1980???!!! They are so brilliant in other ways but they (like so many other so-called "brilliant companies") miss the obvious basics.
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This is a small ask but, to speed up things, I'd like to see in the text entry function:
1. capitalization of the first letter, then automatically going to lower case. This seems to be the default option for mobiles, tablets etc nowadays.
2. the apostrophe moved to the main 'abc' screen.
Chris
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I'd like to see a function to automatically alphabetized items in the playlist.
I don't understand this. If you want it in alphabetical order, why wouldn't you create it that way?
Surely the function of a playlist is to specify the order in which you want to play the songs, which is unlikely to be alphabetical.
Cheers,
Fred
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Fred, we don't all use the playlist like a set list. As I mentioned before, the T5 showed all songs in the Registration file in List view or ten at a time. I prefer the List view. You're right that the Playlist default is alphabetically until you add a new song. Then you have to re-order it manually (just the one song) or create a new list. A dedicated command button would be very handy.
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Yes Fred,
I set playlist registrations up in the order I will play them and to match the order I have my music in.
When we buy these keyboards we expect to have to set them up as we want to use them and also know that some things will be different.
Updates will be issued if they are thought necessary and are faults on the machine, but because some things take a little longer or are different don't always call for updates.
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Eileen, you're correct but it is also true they shouldn't take away things that worked very well in past models ;). That seems to be one way companies these day claim they've "improved the new model." Not always a good thing.
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... they cant make a decent page fore programming Mfc10 ...
Hi Soryt,
what do you miss in "Menu - MIDI - External Controller" display (which IS the page to make the desired settings when using the MFC10 or another suitable MIDI Controller)?
Have you already looked into the Genos Reference Manual, pages 138 - 141 ("External Controller—MIDI Controller Setting")?
Best regards,
Chris
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Fred, we don't all use the playlist like a set list. As I mentioned before, the T5 showed all songs in the Registration file in List view or ten at a time. I prefer the List view. You're right that the Playlist default is alphabetically until you add a new song. Then you have to re-order it manually (just the one song) or create a new list. A dedicated command button would be very handy.
Fair enough.
And I also miss the List View of the T4.
Cheers,
Fred
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the way I see this also is you all have to get used to this new instrument good thing,s will happen in good time and I think the best way is to make you own Registrations yes play list is good. every one should be enjoying Genos in stead of moaning about it I have enjoyed Genos since the day I got it yes ive had ups and down,s with it but it all soon fits in to place :)
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why oh why does Genos need an update when every thing is fine.
Everything is fine ? I can't agree… ???
There's a lot of discussion on this forum about bugs on the Genos…
See my post : https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47387.msg372061.html#msg372061 (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47387.msg372061.html#msg372061)
If you are happy with this on a +4000€ keyboard, that's fine, we are all using it in a different way, but the fact that everything is fine for you doesn't mean that it is fine for everyone. The fact that several people are not completely satisfied with their Genos is understandable, and not simply a 'hill vs mountain' problem…
A new Genos firmware is definitely needed to correct those bugs. Waiting for a Genos II is not an option, Yamaha's policy is really strange… As a customer I really wonder what are they thinking ??? :-X
Benoit
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I think what confuses some is that Genos is different to the Tyros series of keyboards and some things because of this can not always be done the same way. This dose not mean there are bugs every where.
Most things we did on Tyros can be done on Genos but may take a little more time. Once used to Genos it is quicker to operate with the touch screen and Gateway buttons.
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I don't understand why some people are not agree Genos has bugs and need a firmware update ! ??? :-\
Regards,
Vali
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Has Yamaha ever publicly committed to providing bugfixes for anything?
History on the arranger lines shows an initial flurry of fixes for real clangers, then nothing.
It works just fine for *most* people, so I wouldn't expect any further updates ...
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Hi Soryt,
what do you miss in "Menu - MIDI - External Controller" display (which IS the page to make the desired settings when using the MFC10 or another suitable MIDI Controller)?
Have you already looked into the Genos Reference Manual, pages 138 - 141 ("External Controller—MIDI Controller Setting")?
Best regards,
Chris
Chris,
If you did have the experience with the Tyros series you know that it had a specific MFC 10 page in the Midi Menu , i know the pedal and external pedal sttings of the Genos .
But it doesnt work so easy as it did on the Tyros series , and there are some functions you cant program anymore on the Mfc10 on the Genos ( DSP/rotary slow/fast) , it should
fore the Yamaha developers a easy job to solve this problem , But once a product is running for a Year they dont upgrade anymore and are making all there effort in the new model ( Genos2)
But that is the Yamaha way of working , still the Genos is the best sounding keyboard these days , but it isnt nice that Yamaha gives so less for the long existing customers in the
arranger market , if you look at the Synth division they make free nice software and sounds for product wich cost the half of a Genos .
Regards , Soryt :)
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Chris,
If you did have the experience with the Tyros series you know that it had a specific MFC 10 page in the Midi Menu , i know the pedal and external pedal sttings of the Genos .
But it doesnt work so easy as it did on the Tyros series , and there are some functions you cant program anymore on the Mfc10 on the Genos ( DSP/rotary slow/fast) , it should
fore the Yamaha developers a easy job to solve this problem , ...
Hi Soryt,
thank you for clarification! Yes, there are some differences here ...
P.S.
I expect the next Genos update in early 2019. Yamaha definitely has to do something in the near future, because Genos can NOT yet be called "finished".
Best regards,
Chris
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I don't understand why some people are not agree Genos has bugs and need a firmware update ! ??? :-\
Regards,
Vali
Because these persons are not professional and use Genos just for pleasure. Also they are not specialists of electronic instruments and find that is enough for them and for fun. Genos is an "old" concepted keyboard arranger even it has good sounds.
Regards
Seagull29
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“...use the keyboard just for pleasure and fun...” Isn’t that always the intention, regardless? ;D
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Hi,
I don't think so. I'm professional musician and arranger-keyboard are, for me, tools to compose or make pre-titles to show. And, also, with personal sounds. Yamaha said that Genos is a professional work station but you must have a computer to build sound with YEM, modify or build a special style is not easy. Where is pleasure and fun when you can't make all you want ?
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Has Yamaha ever publicly committed to providing bug fixes for anything?
History on the arranger lines shows an initial flurry of fixes for real clangers, then nothing.
It works just fine for *most* people, so I wouldn't expect any further updates ...
Well there is a glimmer of hope that maybe, just maybe, there will be an update on the horizon for the Genos. The reason I say this is because there is a new Genos Owner's Group on Facebook. Ben Harrison who is a Yamaha employee is the moderator of the group. When I received an invitation to join the Group here is part of the email message that was sent to me below.
"As a member of this community, you’ll have the opportunity to connect with other Genos owners, share tips and tricks, and showcase your performances and creations. You’ll be among the first to know about firmware updates, new content, clinics in your area and much more. You’ll also be treated to live interactive videos with Yamaha product specialists, through which you’ll learn more about this incredible instrument and have your questions answered by the experts. There will even be exclusive giveaways and special promotions only offered to members!"
I received the invitation less than a month ago. Unfortunately it is only available for Genos owners living in the USA. But the point I wanted to make are the words contained in the message. "You'll be among the first to know about firmware updates, new content, etc." So even though Yamaha usually just fixes the worst bugs and then moves on it might be different with the Genos. Although we're approaching almost eight months since the last update one way to look at it is perhaps Yamaha is in the process of making a monumental update that will add many goodies and also fix any potential bugs and/or glitches. For instance, Korg really came through big time with the Pa4x OS 2.0 update. It made the Pa4x seem like a new keyboard because of all the improvements. It would be nice if Yamaha supported the Genos in a similar fashion. But I am also a realist so even though I'm hopeful there will be more updates it wouldn't really surprise me if there weren't any more because of Yamaha's tendency to fix the worst bugs and then move on to the next task which in this case would be the Genos 2. :(
Mike
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I started using arrangers in the early 80's.
My first on was a technics, I think, that used little cartridges for the styles.
I eventually got a Lowery MX1, then many after that and eventually started using Yanaha arrangers.
Each one i bought was better than the last.
I currently own a Genos, after I sold my PSR S970.
Like anything I buy, whether it is a car, tv, or keyboard, I check it out.
I look at specifications, drive the car, look at the tv, watch videos on youtube at demos.
If there is something that is not in the specs, that I need, I do not buy it.
I do not buy something and then complain about it because it does not have this or that.
I know up front what it has.
Yamaha has specifications posted, features listed, and 100's of videos available for one to see, watch and hear.
I am tired of reading about the Genos should have this or that.
For me, everything I have read, watched, or listened to help me make my decision to buy a Genos.
I did not buy it on the chance that some things would be added to it.
Some of you that bought a Genos want more out of it than what is in the specifications.
That is like buying a car and have expectations that it should have features or options that are not on the sticker.
You are buying what is on the sticker, no more, no less.
That is like buying a tv and expect it to be 4k resolution but the specs do not show it.
So, how can you buy something, after you read all the specs, and expect it to have more?
To those who do not own a Genos, and say it should have this or that, read the Specs, they tell you what it does have.
The manuals show you what you can and can not edit.
You can't get something that is not there.
IF you want something that is not there, get a different keyboard, or wait for the next Genos to come out.
IMHO, there is not another arranger keyboard that sounds and does what the Genos does.
I am not trying to offend anyone, I am just stating facts, IMHO.
Regards,
Gerard
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[/quote]Hi,
I agree with PierreSW. While the Genos is a very good instrument but it is not the monster we want us to believe it is! Its direct competitor, the Korg Pa4X offers much more openness to all levels. The Genos is not a real WorkStation but a big plug & play quick and easy to use. It is only that, even if it sounds good and satisfies those who do not want to go further, which is quite respectable. But as a professional musician, this is not for me a professional instrument as much as can be the model mentioned above which offers not only the plug & play but also all the tools of creation and customization of an instrument . At least we can stand out and be more original.
Regards
Seagull29
I totally agree with you. In some ways I find the Genos is very disappointing, for a professional or advanced lover
Regards
Antonio
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Hello Gerard,
At last someone I totally agree with. I love my genos and bought it to entertain myself and others which it dose beautifully. I have never mixed computers with keyboards or Daws as Genos gived me everything I need to create music.
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the way I see this also is you all have to get used to this new instrument good thing,s will happen in good time and I think the best way is to make you own Registrations yes play list is good. every one should be enjoying Genos in stead of moaning about it I have enjoyed Genos since the day I got it yes ive had ups and down,s with it but it all soon fits in to place :)
I usually set my playlists up by the order I'll most likely play the songs in. Having a button to alphabetize just comes in handy, it's by no means a show stopper.
I agree the the above post I love my Gneos and bought it both to entertain myself and audiences for the gigs I play. I don't mix my computers with my keyboards as a rule, the more time I spend trying to do that the less time I have to work on my playing.
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Excellent opinions, everyone. Here are some further ideas:
Yamaha has specifications posted, features listed, and 100's of videos available for one to see, watch and hear.
When hundreds of people first bought the Genos, the only videos available for weeks were some demos mainly about EDM. As for features and specs, we read that we could record, edit sounds, and a huge host of other things. None of those features or specs mean anything until we have the Genos in our hands. The question becomes, "How well and how easy can all these things be done?" For example, recording and editing is a HUGE part of what a lot of Genos players do beyond living room playing. The Genos manual (and virtually every arranger manual going back generations) ALL say you can use a DAW to record the Genos. If recording is possible but very difficult to do because of all the hoops and rings you must jump through to even get started, then the whole creative process goes right out the window. Recording and editing on board or with a DAW are clearly marked "on the sticker" but these functions are far from easy to use and are very cumbersome - next to impossible. The DAW connectivity is a huge barrier and on board editing of a recording is archaic. I know the Genos is not a DAW nor is it portrayed as one, but the manual promises it can be used with a DAW. Good luck with that!!
If the functions don't work as promised or are cumbersome, then there is room for improvement - and I don't mean by forking out another $6,000 for Genos II. Either the features work well or they don't. I agree that the Genos is perfect to play with at home or on a gig almost right out of the box, but there are a lot of promised features that are below par and could use some streamlining. To use my earlier car analogy, Honda now uses one AC evaporator on their Odyssey minivan. They used to put two evaporators in. For the most part, the AC works fine, except for the people who live in Florida or Arizona. The sticker reads, "AC" but it doesn't work that well in certain climates like the older Odysseys did.
The moral: we're all right in our own perception. I agree with Gerard that if the Genos doesn't have something you need or want, then buy a different keyboard. However, if the sticker says it does this or that, then it better do it perfectly for the money we pay! Several members are still dealing with advanced level functions that were listed on the sticker, that don't work as promised. It's time for Yamaha to step up to the plate, especially when they jump on fixes for the other upper level keyboards practically overnight.
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Hi,
I don't think so. I'm professional musician and arranger-keyboard are, for me, tools to compose or make pre-titles to show. And, also, with personal sounds. Yamaha said that Genos is a professional work station but you must have a computer to build sound with YEM, modify or build a special style is not easy. Where is pleasure and fun when you can't make all you want ?
I’m a semi-pro in the sense I’m retired and don’t try to earn a full time living with the Genos. I do however play a few gigs each month and the response to my programs has been outstanding since moving to the Genos. I sometimes us the Korg Pa4x at gigs and generally that gets good audience response too but at the moment I prefer the Genos does everything I need it too to earn my keep to pay for my keyboard toys.
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IMHO it is not easy to compare Yamaha's and Korg's arranger keyboards.
Both brands are manufactering pro highend arranger keyboards with their own typical features.
The choice depends on the needs and the applications of the enduser.
Some players have bought Yamaha and Korg.
Why not if their budget allows it and if the owners are willing to work with two complete different software structures.
In the past I also had a Tyros2 and a Pa2x.
I have sold the Korg and since a couple of years I prefer to play Yamaha only.
Yamaha's present arranger keyboards are plug-and-play arrangers with a very rich sound.
There is so much Yamaha software available on the market and second hand Yamaha keyboards are very easy to sell.
I like Korg but love Yamaha.
Babette
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Yamaha has specifications posted, features listed, and 100's of videos available for one to see, watch and hear.
I am tired of reading about the Genos should have this or that.
For me, everything I have read, watched, or listened to help me make my decision to buy a Genos.
I did not buy it on the chance that some things would be added to it.
Some of you that bought a Genos want more out of it than what is in the specifications.
That is like buying a car and have expectations that it should have features or options that are not on the sticker.
Regards,
Gerard
Tell us how you really feel Gerard. ;) Opinions are nice and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people on the forum have expressed a desire for future updates and I think that's a positive not a negative. To improve upon an already great keyboard is something to be hopeful about not frustrated about in my opinion. But of course to each his own. I like the Genos for what it is but I don't mind if Yamaha sees fit to add additional things that could potentially create even greater user satisfaction. But it is Yamaha's choice and decision whether or not to do so of course. If they don't provide anymore updates I am still happy but like almost everyone else I would greatly appreciate it if Yamaha provided additional updates to improve upon things that might still need improving, such as potential glitches and/or bugs that have been discussed previously and perhaps even feature enhancements that could prove useful to one and all. As far as the car analogy goes it's like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. The Genos has the ability to update its software and that's all we're really asking. If we want something hardware related we'll have to wait for Genos 2. Happy Holidays!
Mike
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As far as the car analogy goes it's like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.
Not quite, Mike. You would be shocked at how many transmission problems (and several other problems) are fixed by simple software updates. Cars these days are primarily computers on wheels just like the Genos is a computer with a sound engine and keys attached :). Definitely apples to apples.
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Wow, what a lot of responses to my post. As always we get both sides of the fence and that's good. Glad it was shared by many with some good opinions. Thanks, Lloyd
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I suspect they're done because they're too busy being nicer to the Montage owners :-\. There are a lot of good requests that seem to be easy for Yamaha to implement. Of course, I'm not a software developer and it may be more difficult than I think. They also may want to have us invest in Genos II to get those needed updates. That's how the marketing guys and bean counters operate.
The montage is done by a whole different team..
The montage team has done huge improvements over time..
The Genos team could learn a lot from the US based montage team..
Not just where updates are regarded..
But also how they atleast communicate openly with the users on an official yamahA SYNTH forum.
Yet 95% of all Genos owners does not seem to care, and so Yamaha europe does not feel any urge to follow the example of the US based team.
I for one love the support i find on the online yamaha synth forums for my modx. Where members of the synth content development team like badmister (phil) and blake openly communicate with the customers
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That's all true, Bachus. However, doesn't the ultimate decision for sending updates and fixes to the Genos owners lie with Yamaha Corp and not some country based development team? Won't the European guys ultimately do as they are told by Yamaha Corp? Same with the U.S. teams. They aren't going to spend thousands of Yamaha Corp dollars, (Yen, Euros, Beans...whatever) without approval. It's Yamaha Corp who must issue the orders to upgrade or fix things. I'd like to know if they are listening. I suggest not, since there's been no action for several months - unless they are true believers in Santa Claus :).
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Hi Lloyd,
If Yamaha are not uploading any new Genos updates, I am afraid there is no alternative than to wait for the Genos2.
Time will tell.
Babette
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I'm very happy with my Genos I, save for a few minor annoyances. As for:
If Yamaha are not uploading any new Genos updates, I am afraid there is no alternative than to wait for the Genos2.
Translation: for updates to your Genos I, you will need to fork out another $6,000.
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Hi,
here is the answer of Yamaha Europe about a problem with use of User Voices and Personnal voices in styles. In fact, theffects are not included in modified voices when you use them in styles.
Hello Mr. S........,
I forward your eMail directly to our product management. Maybe there will be a change for the Genos. The Tyros 5 is actually out there.
Nevertheless, many thanks for your involvement in this matter.
Yours sincerely
Your Yamaha Service Team
Andreas Läu
What do you think about this answer ? Update or not Update, that is the question !
Regards
Seagull29
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Based on the language and grammar, I see this as probably the stupidest and unclear response I've read in years. It says nothing! Is it possible it was a decent response but the translation software ruined it??
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Based on the language and grammar, I see this as probably the stupidest and unclear response I've read in years. It says nothing! Is it possible it was a decent response but the translation software ruined it??
Its the German team..
On average many Germans English sadly is below average..
Which probably is what distracts you in the response..
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That's all true, Bachus. However, doesn't the ultimate decision for sending updates and fixes to the Genos owners lie with Yamaha Corp and not some country based development team? Won't the European guys ultimately do as they are told by Yamaha Corp? Same with the U.S. teams. They aren't going to spend thousands of Yamaha Corp dollars, (Yen, Euros, Beans...whatever) without approval. It's Yamaha Corp who must issue the orders to upgrade or fix things. I'd like to know if they are listening. I suggest not, since there's been no action for several months - unless they are true believers in Santa Claus :).
I think the teams have a huge say in what changes and happens..
Because Yamaha works with these imternational teams, because they are meant to uphold the contacts with the customers to know what customers worldwide want..
Its obvious Montage is more aimed at the US market
Where Genos is more a european thing..
These teams are Yamaha’s ears and eyes, and important part of the brain..
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Based on the language and grammar, I see this as probably the stupidest and unclear response I've read in years. It says nothing! Is it possible it was a decent response but the translation software ruined it??
Hi,
Here is the explaination: I sent some mails to Yamaha about the problem I had with User Voices and built voices by YEM in Styles. After 2 or 3 mails, they seems to say that they have sent my last mail higher and they apparently don't know if it will be some update on Genos which will resolve this disadvantage. But for Tyros 5, it's apparently over, this model is out of list so, no new update.
At least they responded, not like in France where they direct you to an obscure demonstrator who will not know more ! And the answer come after a very long time ! In France, we said:" Botter en touche". It means that the problem is given to another who will have to get by with ! I'm not sure that it's a priority for Yamaha !
Regards
Seagull29
PS/ Sorry for using translator but my english is not enough good to translate directly from german to english ! ;) ;) ;)
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No worries, Seagull29. I understand your message. Thanks ;).
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Its obvious Montage is more aimed at the US market. Where Genos is more a European thing..
Agreed, Bachus. That explains why our Montage players in Canada get there's almost the same day the Montage is released, whereas, our Genos players wait for ages to receive even a few into the country. I won't comment on how rude the Yamaha rep was with me on the phone when I simply asked what the delay was... >:(.
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"I won't comment on how rude the Yamaha rep was with me on the phone when I simply asked what the delay was... >:(."
Hi Lee,
is it not strange how things have changed. I very much miss the time when I taught my salesmen our company rules.
Rule 1 The Customer is always right
Rule 2 In Case the Customer is Wrong rule 1 applies
The YAMAHA importer for Finland is the exception that proves the rule. During the painful 6 months we were sorting out the problems with my Genos (thanks Lee for the help you gave me) they never claimed there were no problems. And except a few minor ones they were solved. They exchanges my Genos. Which incidentally was your recommendation :)
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Glad to have been of help, Kaarlo. I agree about the business attitude these days. Gone are the days when companies worked with clients. Today the attitude is, "We have your money, so put up with our substandard garbage."
Yamaha of course doesn't fall into that category at all. I've had very positive dealings with their head office. It's really only been the one rude person who I think should NOT work for Yamaha.
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It's been a very long time since YAMAHA has updated the Genos. What should Yamaha release for updates? Lloyd
I do not think there will be an update unless an error is detected, or something is not working properly.
Ingar
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Yes Ingar you are probably right as updates are to put faults right and not to add things that are not there to start with.
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Yes Ingar you are probably right as updates are to put faults right and not to add things that are not there to start with.
So you state that the Montage that gets continous updates all the time is still full of faults? And mus have been the worst product ever released with all those major updates and new features it got?
If there is another explanation for all those Montage updates over time, please tell me..
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Hi,
In my opinion, the Genos does not sell as expected after some madness due to the expectation of this so-called revolutionary model at the beginning, so Yamaha may not be wanting to go further for the moment on this model. In any case, the Yamaha updates have never brought new features, at least on the keyboards arranger!
Regards
Seagull29
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Bachus makes an interesting point. Montage updates can't be all bug fixes. Yamaha is giving Montage users extra tools and features, I'm sure. I used to own a Motif ES7 and there were plenty of neat tools developed for it - all free of charge.
Yamaha still treats us arranger folks as a bunch of rank amateurs who play with a leisurely style, despite the fact it's a great keyboard and very stage worthy. If I were disappointed in anything with my Genos, it's the repetitive styles from the Tyros series. I was hoping for more uniqueness in this area - not just a bunch of re-worked styles that I have been using since my Tyros 2 days. Yes, the sound is better, but the styles haven't changed all that much. More emphasis has been placed on electronic and dance styles - something I could care less about. Time to start creating my own, but that's no easy task!!
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We are not talking about Montage which probably dose
not sell as well as Genos so is given little sweeteners and is an entirely different animal. I believe Genos has been the best selling keyboard so far and I don't know many people that have not changed there Tyros keyboards for it. It is great for gigging or just sitting at home playing.
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Hello,
when is the update for genos with additional functions? In my genos I miss: more memory for expansion pack and creator song, full edition of drums in midi-song, such edition is in korgu pa4x, yamaha, why is there no such edition? can we count on more memory for expansion pack as well as edits of the drums?
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when is the update for genos with additional functions? In my genos I miss: more memory for expansion pack and creator song, full edition of drums in midi-song, such edition is in korgu pa4x, yamaha, why is there no such edition? can we count on more memory for expansion pack as well as edits of the drums?
When? You need to ask Yamaha.
What will be included? You need to ask Yamaha.
Your best plan: Assume none of your requested improvements will ever be made available.
Cheers,
Fred
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Hello,
when is the update for genos with additional functions? In my genos I miss: more memory for expansion pack and creator song, full edition of drums in midi-song, such edition is in korgu pa4x, yamaha, why is there no such edition? can we count on more memory for expansion pack as well as edits of the drums?
They can add only functions in software
Adding more memmory for expansions would be a hardware change..
More onboard edditing is allways a good thing.
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There is a preliminary date already given, with limit on Musikmesse 2019
Let's see what they offer!
Jose
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Hello everyone,
According to a Yamaha distributor, a major update of Genos would be announced for February 2019.
Best regards
Jean-Pierre 33
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Hi,
If it is the same ilk that the so-called revolution was to be the Genos, we can doubt the importance of updating! And it is not a basic distributor who is in the secret of the gods!
Regards
Seagull29
EDIT: Here is what Yamaha said about T5:
" The Power of Reality
Superb sound and powerful functionality provide performance you can believe in.
In Tyros5 Yamaha has created the ultimate performance keyboard, with outstanding sounds, enhanced DSP effects, and accompaniment Styles so real it's like being backed by the world’s finest musicians. The Tyros5 brings a level of authenticity like no instrument before it. "
Just a question: Where is reality in Genos ? 8) 8) 8) 8) ???
As we say in France: "Bla ! Bla ! Bla ! "
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The quality of the sound, styles and operation of Genos is greatly improved from the tyros 5.
Take note I am not saying that Tyros 5 is not a very good keyboard because it is.
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Hi,
If it is the same ilk that the so-called revolution was to be the Genos, we can doubt the importance of updating! And it is not a basic distributor who is in the secret of the gods!
Regards
Seagull29
EDIT: Here is what Yamaha said about T5:
" The Power of Reality
Superb sound and powerful functionality provide performance you can believe in.
In Tyros5 Yamaha has created the ultimate performance keyboard, with outstanding sounds, enhanced DSP effects, and accompaniment Styles so real it's like being backed by the world’s finest musicians. The Tyros5 brings a level of authenticity like no instrument before it. "
Just a question: Where is reality in Genos ? 8) 8) 8) 8) ???
As we say in France: "Bla ! Bla ! Bla ! "
What’s your point?
In its day, the T5 was Yamaha's best keyboard, but it has been superseded by the Genos, just as the T5 superseded the T4.
I don’t see Yamaha doing anything differently from what they did before.
Cheers,
Fred
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Hi,
In my opinion, the Genos does not sell as expected .......
Based on what?? Yamaha keeps this kind of information pretty tight, but anything I have seen indicated it sold very well.
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Hello,
The content of the supposed update is not clearly known, but if the dealer says true there may be a function "chord sequence" and more.
To be continued...
Best regards
Jean-Pierre 33
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Hello,
The content of the supposed update is not clearly known, but if the dealer says true there may be a function "chord sequence" and more.
To be continued...
Best regards
Jean-Pierre 33
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I agree with Fred.
It's something normal that every keyboard manufacturer to tell about its last model of keyboard that is the best, because he put in it new hardware, new software (DSPs, VH, voices, styles, etc).
Technology itself increase year by year, its normal that every manufacturer to use hardware newer than previews release.
We all know what happens from Tyros to Tyros2, from Tyros 2 to Tyros3, T3 to T4 and so on...
Genos has its new features, new look, new hardware, new SOUND. Its normal that Genos is over Tyros 5, by all features they released in this model.
In my opinion, Genos is the best from Yamaha's arrangers.
(Genos 2 will be, of course, better than Genos ;D )
Regards,
Vali
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Hello,
The content of the supposed update is not clearly known, but if the dealer says true there may be a function "chord sequence" and more.
To be continued...
Best regards
Jean-Pierre 33
I hope "Audio Chord Sequence"... ..... :)
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Why would we need that. You can sequence in midi and then play into the audio recorder now.
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Why would we need that. You can sequence in midi and then play into the audio recorder now.
Hi,
because you can make it with real time and do not have to prepare it before ! The Pa4X can do it and it's really handy for the inspiration of the moment. Just a question of reactivity and spontaneity!
Regards
Seagull29
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Why would we need that. You can sequence in midi and then play into the audio recorder now.
Dear EileenL
first of all I need to make it clear that we are talking about guesses not facts,you might not have realised what I meant.
If something like what I said were to become reality which I cannot predict,we are talking available audio tracks in styles/audio styles which means that we can have real audio tracks with audio guitars and all that can think of inside of the style following the chord changes.
I repeat it's just a thought I had.
However these Yamaha campaign videos before the release of Genos get my my imagination running.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJhKv1ZGIk
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdbmEGyyNg
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWLkgGZpJWE
And more....
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Hi,
because you can make it with real time and do not have to prepare it before ! The Pa4X can do it and it's really handy for the inspiration of the moment. Just a question of reactivity and spontaneity!
Regards
Seagull29
Yes, indeed. Korg PA4X (and PA3X, also) has a real-time chord sequence. How can you use this feature?! Simple: Imagine you have to play a song repeatedly, for some reasons. It is easily to press record button (Korg has two buttons combination) and all you sing from that moment, all your chord progression is recorded until you press play button. When you press play button, the recording process will stop and automatically will start playing your chord progression. It is easy for you to make some things more, as long as you don't care at that time too much about chord progression... All those things are happening in real-time.
There are a lot of things that happening in realtime on Korg: Style settings can be stored/saved in the same time you sing, also voice settings, performances (our registrations) etc. There are a lot of parameters that Korg saves them in realtime, no mather what you do in that time.
I think Korg uses some of snapshots of the files used (voice parameters, style, performance parameters, etc). As when you modify the parameters, you modify to the snapshot which you are able to save to original file, because original file is not in use. As a programmer, this is the way I should make it!
Or, there might be another way, of saving all modified parameters to a temporary path, and when you change the style, or voices, or anything else which is right now in use, those files could be replaced by the modified ones by a background process. This is another approach, but the first I think is more reliable!
Regards,
Vali
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Yes, indeed. Korg PA4X (and PA3X, also) has a real-time chord sequence. How can you use this feature?! Simple: Imagine you have to play a song repeatedly, for some reasons. It is easily to press record button (Korg has two buttons combination) and all you sing from that moment, all your chord progression is recorded until you press play button. When you press play button, the recording process will stop and automatically will start playing your chord progression. It is easy for you to make some things more, as long as you don't care at that time too much about chord progression... All those things are happening in real-time.
There are a lot of things that happening in realtime on Korg: Style settings can be stored/saved in the same time you sing, also voice settings, performances (our registrations) etc. There are a lot of parameters that Korg saves them in realtime, no mather what you do in that time.
I think Korg uses some of snapshots of the files used (voice parameters, style, performance parameters, etc). As when you modify the parameters, you modify to the snapshot which you are able to save to original file, because original file is not in use. As a programmer, this is the way I should make it!
Or, there might be another way, of saving all modified parameters to a temporary path, and when you change the style, or voices, or anything else which is right now in use, those files could be replaced by the modified ones by a background process. This is another approach, but the first I think is more reliable!
Regards,
Vali
There are a lot of things Korg does better...
But here we are at a Genos Forum, indicating we have at least an interest in the Genos.
And thats because we tend to forget that Genos also does a huge amount of things very good, and many of them better then on a pa4x..
I have written a long list of things that could or actually should have been part of the Genos in the first place espescially since the Genos is marketed as a workstation. But i don't think the European team has any intention of adding new major features. They will probably save them vor Genos2 in about 4 years or even Genos 3 in 10 years.
If you want to use a chord sequence inside the Genos thats possible, just record a single track, set markers in the midi file and loop it, while using it as input for the chords detection of the arranger.. less traightforward then on the pa4x, but it works just as well.. i dont think many people record these in real time, and prefer before using
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Bachus, I wrote about some things Korg does them in REAL TIME. I know I can do this at home, to PC, etc, but I speak about some things that should be done in real time, without recording home, without stopping playback of a style, without stopping midi playback, etc... There could be settings that you could reach in real time, that make sound amazing (DSPs, for example). You cannot save the registration, because when you change the bank (if you want to load a record from playlist, or simply want to change the registration bank) the keyboard ask you if you really want to save the registration bank (which, although, is a good job) but in my opinion, saving in realtime, without stopping playback process of style, is the most beautiful thing that might happening with our workstation.
But, as you said, European guys from Yamaha Team, I also thing they will reserve these "next features" for the next release of Genos, as New features of a new keyboard. Which is not a good thing for us.
I know these are discussions which start polemics , so I will stop here.
I know what I want to view on Genos next firmware update, IF it will be one. In the same time, I know that will be 1% of reality, because Yamaha is very "greedy" in new "really and helpful" features :D
Best regards,
Vali
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I sent an email to Yamaha with the audio example below of the glitch I was experiencing with a Genos preset Country style. Yamaha wrote back after I emailed them again asking why they hadn't responded to my original email. Yamaha support said they didn't receive the attachment audio example which I did in fact attach to the email I sent them. So I went ahead and sent the attachment again this time as an .mp3 file. I still haven't heard back from Yamaha so here is my theory as to why Yamaha is ignoring the problem. >>> NO MORE OS UPDATES FOR GENOS >>> PERIOD! Yamaha Japan perhaps has instructed tech support personnel that Genos support has officially ended and whatever bugs or glitches remain, will unfortunately remain indefinitely?? I realize that Genos bugs and glitches have been mostly solved but I have proof that at least one still remains.
Yamaha got the audio example I attached to the email I sent to them no doubt. I sent it twice. Once as a .wav file and the second time as an .mp3 file. So why no follow up from Yamaha? I realize this is the holiday season and they are likely very busy preparing for winter NAMM, etc. But it's been close to three weeks and not a peep. Perhaps I am being too cynical but I can't think of any good reason why Yamaha is shining me on other than the glitch I am experiencing will never be looked at or solved? I've had my Genos for over a year now so it's out of warranty by the manufacturer and perhaps that's the reason they no longer respond to my emails? That doesn't inspire very much confidence in Yamaha as a company if indeed that is the reason they don't respond i.e. because the warranty has expired on my Genos.
Okay, so I have officially resigned myself that there will be no more OS updates for the Genos. Now if Yamaha comes out with a new OS update I will be just as thrilled as everyone else but as of now I am accepting the overwhelming probability there won't be any more updates. Be that as it may I still enjoy my Genos for what it is and we'll just have to wait for Genos 2 to see what it has to offer... in about 3 or 4 years. ;)
PS: I attached the audio example below of the glitch I experience with one of the preset Country styles. I posted it previously but I thought I would post it again in case some of you haven't heard it.
Mike
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I sent an email to Yamaha with the audio example below of the glitch I was experiencing with a Genos preset Country style. Yamaha wrote back after I emailed them again asking why they hadn't responded to my original email. Yamaha support said they didn't receive the attachment audio example which I did in fact attach to the email I sent them. So I went ahead and sent the attachment again this time as an .mp3 file. I still haven't heard back from Yamaha so here is my theory as to why Yamaha is ignoring the problem. >>> NO MORE OS UPDATES FOR GENOS >>> PERIOD! Yamaha Japan perhaps has instructed tech support personnel that Genos support has officially ended and whatever bugs or glitches remain, will unfortunately remain indefinitely?? I realize that Genos bugs and glitches have been mostly solved but I have proof that at least one still remains.
Yamaha got the audio example I attached to the email I sent to them no doubt. I sent it twice. Once as a .wav file and the second time as an .mp3 file. So why no follow up from Yamaha? I realize this is the holiday season and they are likely very busy preparing for winter NAMM, etc. But it's been close to three weeks and not a peep. Perhaps I am being too cynical but I can't think of any good reason why Yamaha is shining me on other than the glitch I am experiencing will never be looked at or solved? I've had my Genos for over a year now so it's out of warranty by the manufacturer and perhaps that's the reason they no longer respond to my emails? That doesn't inspire very much confidence in Yamaha as a company if indeed that is the reason they don't respond i.e. because the warranty has expired on my Genos.
Okay, so I have officially resigned myself that there will be no more OS updates for the Genos. Now if Yamaha comes out with a new OS update I will be just as thrilled as everyone else but as of now I am accepting the overwhelming probability there won't be any more updates. Be that as it may I still enjoy my Genos for what it is and we'll just have to wait for Genos 2 to see what it has to offer... in about 3 or 4 years. ;)
PS: I attached the audio example below of the glitch I experience with one of the preset Country styles. I posted it previously but I thought I would post it again in case some of you haven't heard it.
Mike
I think you might be jumping to the wrong conclusions..
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Mike a heard that odd sound at 45 seconds. You should be able to isolate it in the Mixer. Please do so and tell us what instrument is creating that odd flute sound. Meanwhile, I'll play that style on my Genos with the exact chord progression and see if it happens on mine. If not, it isn't likely an OS issue. Later...
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Hi
I would like to see which is a must .Yamaha to get the saving of mixer settings expanded.
You cannot save mixer settings if you have ran out of slider moves, so more complex songs are harder to get around as you have to do things manually.
Well Lee ,I am still mixing and going over it a 1000 times and getting there little by little each day.
Even with Yamaha sounds , you have to eq them separately to stop bass clashing with drums ,especially the modern stuff where there are bass kicks.
I have been referencing Jarre's sounds and getting pretty close. I like Hornet's Auto gain staging plugin which you send to all group channels. Makes a great start and saves loads of time.
It is just a matter of getting all those eq's right and slight compression, then the sky is on the limiter!! ;D
The pray it sounds good on all speaker systems.
Oh No!! I have got to learn mastering next!!! :-\ :)
All the best
John :) 8)
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John, one idea is to post what you have so far. By doing so, a lot of people could give you constructive feedback on how your recordings sound on literally dozens of systems. All you need to do is look for common denominators that people think don't work and those that do work. Post the wave forms you have so far.
A good friend of mine is a retired speaker designer. He has won awards for his creations. He uses a computer for modeling his speaker designs, but sometimes the designs that look perfect on the computer prediction model, sound like crap in the real world! The computer algorithm has yet to be written that can replace the human ear. In other words, the human ear is the REAL test. I think its valuable to use the computer for the raw editing, and then use the human ear for the final copy :).
Are we off topic here?
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Are we off topic here?
I've start reading the last topics and I had the feeling I am on another thread. And I looked again to the title, and I am on the right thread, only posts goes to other discussion ;D ;D
Regards,
Vali
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I've start reading the last topics and I had the feeling I am on another thread. And I looked again to the title, and I am on the right thread, only posts goes to other discussion ;D ;D
Regards,
Vali
Then back on track....
When will the next upgrade be?
Will it contain new content/functionallity or just bug fixes?
I think that rounds up the realistic questions.
On a deeper level, what functionallity is desperately missing to make Genos your perfect arranger.
Assuming, you allready think the Genos is allready todays best option.
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Usually Yamaha will correct any function that is not working correctly or had something left of. For instance when grooving a style there is no select All there and this may possibly mean adding a new page.
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Usually Yamaha will correct any function that is not working correctly or had something left of. For instance when grooving a style there is no select All there and this may possibly mean adding a new page.
Same goes for Boost/Cut, All is missing in that part too, and many other things that were found in tyros 5.
The midi part: that you have to load the file every single time when editing, that's crazy. is it user-friendly?
No way according to me. reprogram and do it right.
Merry Christmas everyone.
// Pierre
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Everything is fine ? I can't agree… ???
There's a lot of discussion on this forum about bugs on the Genos…
See my post : https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47387.msg372061.html#msg372061 (https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47387.msg372061.html#msg372061)
If you are happy with this on a +4000€ keyboard, that's fine, we are all using it in a different way, but the fact that everything is fine for you doesn't mean that it is fine for everyone. The fact that several people are not completely satisfied with their Genos is understandable, and not simply a 'hill vs mountain' problem…
A new Genos firmware is definitely needed to correct those bugs. Waiting for a Genos II is not an option, Yamaha's policy is really strange… As a customer I really wonder what are they thinking ??? :-X
Benoit
They aren't thinking anything. It's become the Yamaha Achilles Heel.
Bring out an instrument at a high price with as much hype as possible, and then dump all support for it almost overnight.
It's overpriced and overhyped for use as an arranger. It's not an arranger, just a fancy keyboard. My Tyros 1 knocks the spots off it.
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Well after having my Genos for over a year I would certainly never want to go back to my Tyros 1. Things have moved on a lot since those days.
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Well after having my Genos for over a year I would certainly never want to go back to my Tyros 1. Things have moved on a lot since those days.
Same in my case ;D ;D ;D
The comparison which was unintentional made between Genos and Tyros 1 made me laugh... ;D You cannot do that comparison ever. Tyros 1 sound great for its level, but even newer PSR S keyboards are over the T1 :)
Now, I expect Yamaha will not use feedback for Genos from users to create a stronger Genos 2... This will be a selfish approach, and I expect they will resolve those missing features we spoke a lot of times here, I hope they will solve touch controls issue, registration issues about DSPs, and to make that StepEdit page to be "touchable", not using arrows buttons :D This is a big LOL screen (for me as a programmer)...
Regards,
Vali
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Bouncingogre, the Genos runs circles around the Tyros 5 in terms of sound and ease of use, much less a Tyros 1!! And yes, there are things the Tyros series does far better, but overall the Genos is a major upgrade. The musicians on this forum likely agree with me on this point.
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Well after having my Genos for over a year I would certainly never want to go back to my Tyros 1. Things have moved on a lot since those days.
Definately true..
And yet there is still so much room for upgrades..
May i ask you a question, what features of the Genos are you not or barely using?
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Mike a heard that odd sound at 45 seconds. You should be able to isolate it in the Mixer. Please do so and tell us what instrument is creating that odd flute sound. Meanwhile, I'll play that style on my Genos with the exact chord progression and see if it happens on mine. If not, it isn't likely an OS issue. Later...
Hi Lee,
Sorry for the late reply. The glitch only happens when you use the preset Style multi-pad #1 when playing the style i.e. The CountryFolkBallad style. Now what is interesting is if you use #3 preset multi-pad when playing the style no glitch happens. It is a high pitched Choir sound and that sound should not occur but it seems to occur on a semi regular basis from what I've discovered. I guess Yamaha can't be bothered although it is a rather annoying glitch. It would be interesting to know if you experience the same glitch on your Genos Lee. I can't imagine it would be an isolated case but stranger things have happened I reckon. At least Yamaha is aware of the problem.
Mike
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Keynote, I played that style for about 10 minutes straight and nothing happened. Looks like we may a mystery on our hands with this one :(.
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Dear EileenL
first of all I need to make it clear that we are talking about guesses not facts,you might not have realised what I meant.
If something like what I said were to become reality which I cannot predict,we are talking available audio tracks in styles/audio styles which means that we can have real audio tracks with audio guitars and all that can think of inside of the style following the chord changes.
I repeat it's just a thought I had.
However these Yamaha campaign videos before the release of Genos get my my imagination running.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJhKv1ZGIk
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdbmEGyyNg
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWLkgGZpJWE
And more....
first video NOT AS GOOD AS GURU JOSH sax version 1990
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Bachus makes an interesting point. Montage updates can't be all bug fixes. Yamaha is giving Montage users extra tools and features, I'm sure. I used to own a Motif ES7 and there were plenty of neat tools developed for it - all free of charge.
....... but the styles haven't changed all that much. More emphasis has been placed on electronic and dance styles - something I could care less about. Time to start creating my own, but that's no easy task!!
Dear Lee,
"....dance styles - something I could care less about." Maybe you and me do not belong to the type of buyers Yamaha wants to atract. :(
"...the styles on Genos haven't changed all that much." True, but Yamaha has done a great job over the recent years creating fantastic intros and endings, some 8 bars long. :)
Where they really - was it dropped the ball ? - is that so many styles are just 2 bars long. Even my 30 years old Yamaha 5700 has many styles that are 4 and 8 bars long plus the fantastic solos that I could call up if someone came to talk to me while I was playing a complicated tune.
But then again, Yamaha may rightly think, who needs more than 1 bar long styles for to-day's "music" ?
There seem to be quite a few on this forum that like Gerard and me were crazy enough to shell out 12.000 $ for the MX 1 which in to-day's money would be 36.000 $, for which you can now get 9 Genos. It weighed over 350 pounds so you needed a lot of helpers to take it to a gig. It had 7 built in speakers but if you wanted to sing you needed an external sound system just as with the Genos.
The MX 1 had a rather limited number of styles - but back in the 1980 they were just out of this world - The MX1 styles had one feature I have missed ever since. The intro and style was different depending on in what key you played in.
In case anyone creates 8 bar Jazz type styles, please let me buy them.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Keynote, I played that style for about 10 minutes straight and nothing happened. Looks like we may a mystery on our hands with this one :(.
I played the same style again yesterday for several minutes and the glitch did not occur this time. It is a mystery and it would be very interesting if the Genos somehow corrected itself although I haven't initiated a factory reset so it would have to be something else if indeed the problem has been rectified. Further investigation is needed and so I'll keep checking it periodically. Thanks for giving it a spin Lee. I'm glad yours is working properly or so it seems. As I stated previously the glitch only occurred after enabling the #1 preset multi-pad which is a mega voice from what I understand.
Mike
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I'm not sure, but I think I understood the problem. The glitch is just a very fast high pitch-bending that may occur when you have a style part that use a sostenuto note or chord (typical of the "PAD" voice) and you have not pressed the chord notes with perfect accuracy. For example, if you are in Main C part, listen to the PAD part (I suggest to put it in Solo mode). Then try to change various chords: the voice doesn't retrigger the notes, but it just perform a pitch-bending, good solution for a legato sound on synth and bass, but bad solution for an inaccurate chord change, due to the fast pitch change speed. I suggest you to follow this way and retry:
- Open the style creator
- On the SFF Edit tab, select the Pad voice
- On the RTR option, change the behaviour from "Pitch Bend" to "Retrigger"
Retry now, I hope this could solve the problem
Francesco
Francesco, it was about Multi-Pad not Pad channel from style!
Regards,
Vali
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Seams that the Multi pad is the trouble and not the style.
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I played the same style again yesterday for several minutes and the glitch did not occur this time. It is a mystery and it would be very interesting if the Genos somehow corrected itself although I haven't initiated a factory reset so it would have to be something else if indeed the problem has been rectified. Further investigation is needed and so I'll keep checking it periodically. Thanks for giving it a spin Lee. I'm glad yours is working properly or so it seems. As I stated previously the glitch only occurred after enabling the #1 preset multi-pad which is a mega voice from what I understand.
How do you use a mega voice in a multipad? Aren’t those voices only for styles?
Cheers,
Fred
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They will be used on some of the onboard programmed by manufacturer.
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a new update when for genos?