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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Stijn on August 01, 2018, 10:24:27 AM
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After 1 1/2 years of work, the new Soundwonderland website is now ready for use.
https://soundwonderland.de/pages/en/home.php (https://soundwonderland.de/pages/en/home.php)
I enjoyed watching this clip on 'Lead instruments'. Really inspiring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcu02zLOrQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJcu02zLOrQ)
Oh yes, one more thing about the renewed website:
Another surprise:
We have some small bright red packets hidden on our new pages, the content of which will hopefully be fun?
The contents of some packages can also be used by those who do not play Yamaha keyboard.
Tip: you do not have to open the information of each sales product to check if there is something hidden.
Enjoy,
Stijn
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Hello Stijn,
this moment I discover that you have already been so kind to write about our new shop here.
Thank you very much!
A very interesting news might be (what could be important for English speaking musicians):
Our complete shop and all correspondation around is now also in English language.
So you don't have to fear not to understand something anymore.
And if there are questions, you know: I always try to answer as fast as possible!
Now we are looking forward to your visit, and we hope that you like our new pages.
Sincerely, Heidrun with her Soundwonderland team
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Thank you Heidrun and Soundwonderland team!
-- pj
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Great material, thank you Heidrun. Thanks for posting Sitjn very much appreciated. :)
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Hi folks, thanks for your reply and feedback!
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Congratulations to your new webshop!
Browsing there is really fun and reveals interesting products.
It's a pity that it is still buggy:
On one PC I was not able to start the payment process - the checkout button in the cart popup window always threw me back to the starting page.
On another PC (different browser, different windows version), although I AM LOGGED IN, the software does not allow me to go to the cart, it forces me to re-login. After doing this, it tells me that I am logged in, but continues to do so as I was not logged in.
So apparently I have to wait some time and try utilizing the benefits of this interesting webshop later.
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Hello tramano,
thank you very much for your feedback.
Most of the new orders are done without any problems.
Mostly it is up to the used browsers or browser configurations.
And ... did you already try, what I yesterday sent by newsletter?
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Should you get stuck during the ordering process, it could be that your browser uses data and cookies from our earlier Web site version. And that will feel like trying to put a square peg in a round hole! :-)
In that case, the following should do the trick:
Empty your browser cache and delete cookies.
Next close ALL browser pages and restart your browser.
If you don't know how to do that, just Google it.
If your browser is still giving you a difficult time, we recommend that you try with a different browser.
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Indeed some of our clients are surfing with Windows XP or earlier, using very old browsers.
No wonder that some functions of nowadays don't walk.
My webpage programmer Bernd often is very upset about the diifferent browser standards.
No chance to build websites with same functionality and optic!
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Hello Tramano, if the problem still lasts after the tips above:
Would it be ok that Bernd contacts you?
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Maybe this could help: First problem described I encountered on Win7/Firefox (latest version), second one on WIN10/Edge (both latest releases).
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Thanks - I will give this information to Bernd.
Did you already delete cookies and cache?
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I do not delete cookies and the cache, just because your shop is faulty!
All other webshops I use - and that's a lot - do NOT have these problems.
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Ok, tramano.
Your browser probably has stored ccokies and chache data of our old shop.
Without them it is not possible to buy something in online shops.
But! The shop has changed totally, and the old data don't fit to the new shop.
So I can't help you here.
By the way: Many orders came in while we have written here...
Best regards. Heidrun
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Don't worry. Iam not forced to buy in your shop.
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That's true! :-)
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Hello Heidrun,
Congrats on creating your new and updated website. I was surprised to see how much various content you have there for us Yamaha players. I saw two new free play styles on your website called "Serenade" and "Symphonic Flow". I would love to get these free play styles but I have a Tyros 4. Can you tell me if these two styles would play properly on my T4?
Thanks!
Tom G.
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Hello Heidrun,
Congrats on creating your new and updated website. I was surprised to see how much various content you have there for us Yamaha players. I saw two new free play styles on your website called "Serenade" and "Symphonic Flow". I would love to get these free play styles but I have a Tyros 4. Can you tell me if these two styles would play properly on my T4?
Thanks!
Tom G.
Free play styles work on a T4. In fact, there are several free play styles in your presets.
Fred
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Hello Tom,
maybe you didn't see that "Symphonic Flow" was also programmed for Tyros4?
So it is also available in our shop.
I just checked "Serenade" on my Tyros4.
Unfortunately it uses Mega Voices, which are missing in Tyros4 in comparison to Tyros5.
So I have no chance with revoicing, what I tried.
My result:
Symphonic Flow works well, Serenade not.
Yes, and Fred:
Surely Tyros4 has Free Play styles - but different ones to ours.
Have a nice day, all together!
Kind regards, Heidrun
P. S.: Although both styles are made for Tyros5, they work fine on Genos.
We only have no seperate Genos version, because the difference would only be .... the naming! :-)
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Hi, Heidrun and Stijn ;D
You have fantastic good styles for my compositions, but the price of a single style is too high for me. It amounts to 2% of my teacher's retirement in Poland.
10 styles is 120 Euro, or 1/5 of my pension.
I know that your styles are of the highest quality but I can not buy them yet.
For several years I have been visiting your website from time to time to "console your ears" with the sound of these styles.
Regards and I wish you a lot of customers.
Sincerely :)
Ryszard
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I'm really sorry to hear that, Ryszard.
Surely it is also a difference up to the country where you live how high a retirement is.
About the styles:
It is a difference to build styles with 2-bar-loops and only little differences in the mains - to 8-bar styles with very much variations in each Main and Fill in.
To program such styles you need much ambition and time.
Also, because they are not sold as often as many of you would probably think.
Not really easy to earn the daily bread from!
But our first aim is quality and we hope that the customers feel how much love we spend for each of our products.
And also in all information around them.
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Yes, Heidrun, it is not easy to make money for daily bread.
Regards and I wish you many new customers ;D
Ryszard 8)
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Hello Tom,
maybe you didn't see that "Symphonic Flow" was also programmed for Tyros4?
So it is also available in our shop.
I just checked "Serenade" on my Tyros4.
Unfortunately it uses Mega Voices, which are missing in Tyros4 in comparison to Tyros5.
So I have no chance with revoicing, what I tried.
My result:
Symphonic Flow works well, Serenade not.
Yes, and Fred:
Surely Tyros4 has Free Play styles - but different ones to ours.
Have a nice day, all together!
Kind regards, Heidrun
P. S.: Although both styles are made for Tyros5, they work fine on Genos.
We only have no separate Genos version, because the difference would only be .... the naming! :-)
Thank you, Heidrun. I appreciate your clarification. I will look forward to buying the Symphonic Flow style for my Tyros 4. I wish you guys could somehow convert the Serenade style to play on the Tyros 4 as well. I would love to have that one as well. I am especially fond of the free play styles. I will check your site for new items from time to time.
Tom G.
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Just a tip, Tom:
Take the Symphonic Flow style and revoice it in the Mixing Console (change the instruments) up to your taste.
Then enter the Style Creator, press one time "Exit" and save the style.
Probably you will be astonished what you can achive with these few steps.
Probably you have to take Megavoices if the original style track is recorded with a Megavoice.
But just try it!
Good luck!! :-)
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Yes, I suppose I could try that Heidrun.
But I much prefer to have the "style wizards" do it for me.
I am not one of those.
;)
Tom G.
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Good for us, Tom, a pity for you, because it is really easy and fast to do.
But although I can understand you.
Most of our clients probably have the opinion that they don't want to program but to play.
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Hi Heidrun
Can you do a mixing course for us numpties sometime as that would be a good seller, I think.
The trouble with all the things that go with the Genos ,not enough is said about EQing and effect editing tto get Genos to the best possible stage for mixing and gain staging.
It would be great to have tutorials on Mixing and mastering Inside Cubase.
Mixing is a headache for me and I would love a crash course on video.
I played a song and used the real pro song as a reference and could get no where near it >:( :-X :P ;D.
I am slowly getting my head around It ,but It gets tiring after a while when you meet dead ends.
I am ok with EQ ,but limiters ,compression etc is going to take time.
Personally I think if you can get a quality recording out of the Genos,not too much has to be done.
Now that I have got the Genos eq master right for me things will start to look up.
I wonder what your thoughts are on this type of subject as It is most important to save your own archive of songs
All the best
John :)
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Hello John,
to be honest: I am no pro with external software.
I use PSRUTI and XG Works to correct and adjust my live played an recorded Midi files.
And for my registrations I use my ears to find out authentical and good sounding voice combinations.
The main EQ I only use if I play on gigs with a bad room frequency.
I don't use the compressor because I have to have a neutral sound when I am programming new software.
Because I cannot know which such functions are used by the customers.
I know that there are lots of mixing and mastering workshops, courses and tutorials to be found in the internet, and Steinberg offers also live workshops etc.
Nothing for me - my day has already 26 hours... :-))
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Hi Heidrun,
I really like your software.
However, I feel a little overwhelmed at times with all the possibilities the Genos has to offer in the guitar department.
You guitar registration are great, however I am still looking for an authentic Santana guitar: a la "Smooth" and Pink Floyd guitar: a la "Another Brick in the Wall"
Thanks
Eric
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Hello Eric,
I did my best to reach this original Santana sound with two of my packs (the new "Lead Instruments" and the "Famous Rock Ballads").
But ... beside of all sound tunings and effects I am always related to the samples that are stored in our keyboards.
The better and authentic these basic sounds the better are the chances to reach original sounds!
Kind regards, Heidrun
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...and: Don't forget the playing abilities of the keyboard player...
For example a very good e-organ player will make also a bontempi organ well sounding... ;-)
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Hello Heidrun,
I visited your new website a couple of weeks ago & it is just fantastic! Congratulations!
I've been a follower of your wonderful tutorials, demos of playing etc. for many years & have always admired your professionalism in everything you do! ;
Kinds regards,
Gloria
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Thank you for your reply Heidrun.
The Europe and Samba Pa Ti sounds are great. No doubt.
Santana played a Gibson Les Paul on these tracks. He switched to PRS guitars with Smooth.
There are setting for guitar amps and effects on YouTube to get that sound.
I have seen the effects even with a Fender Strat and it works great.
Just a bit over my head ;)
I thought with all the DSP power in the Genos it should be possible ...
Thanks again.
Great work.
Eric
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Hello Gloria,
thank you for your kind words!
I try to make my work as professional as possible, but surely also I have my personal limits.
Since I started with Soundwonderland I learned lots of new musical and graphical things, and every futher year was very valuable and important.
Both topics are wonderful creative, and surely I will never reach the point to know all around them.
So Eric, perhaps there is a better Santana sound in our keyboards as I achieved.
It is my knowledge and ability of today, what I reached - but I continue learning every day! :-)
Kind regards, Heidrun
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...and: I am no guitar player to know all about the finesse of a Santana guitar - I have only my ears! :-)
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Hello Eric,
You can pack as many DSP's in a keyboard as you like; to a guitarist it will still sound like a keyboard and to a keyboard player it will still sound like a guitar ;D
Paul Drongowski on his site has a great article about this - see http://sandsoftwaresound.net/which-guitar-is-which/
Just reading through the guitar pickup types - you can already tell that there is so much more to this. And yes, you will find lots of suggestions about settings, but can you imagine what it takes for every great guitar solo and sound to research the history of it, their original set-up, what makes them unique, and what it is that took them to their "signature sound" - in order to produce the appropriate samples and settings on a keyboard?
I too am a crazily huge fan of the Santana, Pink Floyd, Alan Parson's, Natharez, **** even Uriah Heep, etc. sounds - and I really wish I had at least a VSTi or something I could use "out-of-the-box" - but to find the one that "nails it" - has in most cases still eluded me :-) And in my thinking, it's not that the Yamaha sound engineers don't want to produce them - it's more like "where do you even start with all that variety?"
So thank you for input, because that is exactly what is needed so the guys at Yamaha can get a feel for what sounds folks are after.
Cheers, Roland
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Aaaah... thank you so much for this link, Roland.
As one can see: The guitar world is a completely different world, and to get the most authentic sound in our keyboards you need more knowledge that most of us probably have - me included.
I think, most important is the result of a sound: What sounds good and which voice combinations go together well.
But it is a really interesting discussion here!
:D
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Hello Eric,
You can pack as many DSP's in a keyboard as you like; to a guitarist it will still sound like a keyboard and to a keyboard player it will still sound like a guitar ;D
Paul Drongowski on his site has a great article about this - see http://sandsoftwaresound.net/which-guitar-is-which/
Just reading through the guitar pickup types - you can already tell that there is so much more to this. And yes, you will find lots of suggestions about settings, but can you imagine what it takes for every great guitar solo and sound to research the history of it, their original set-up, what makes them unique, and what it is that took them to their "signature sound" - in order to produce the appropriate samples and settings on a keyboard?
I too am a crazily huge fan of the Santana, Pink Floyd, Alan Parson's, Natharez, **** even Uriah Heep, etc. sounds - and I really wish I had at least a VSTi or something I could use "out-of-the-box" - but to find the one that "nails it" - has in most cases still eluded me :-) And in my thinking, it's not that the Yamaha sound engineers don't want to produce them - it's more like "where do you even start with all that variety?"
So thank you for input, because that is exactly what is needed so the guys at Yamaha can get a feel for what sounds folks are after.
Cheers, Roland
Thank you for the article Roland.
I remember reading it before.
Great job.
There are some great YouTube videos of guys playing distorted guitar solos on a KB.
Given, that it can never be the same as the real instrument, it can be pretty darn close.
After all we are not trying to be the instrument (which of course does not work) but create an illusion and try our best to emulate certain characteristics.
The SA and SA2 voices are of great help and a great starting point.
One guitar I always wanted was a screaming Wah distorted guitar.
The S-970 has a guitar for a great foundation.
After experimenting with the effects I got pretty close and are very happy.
The great thing is, that it works in my Genos .... ;D ;D 8)
The closest to a Santana guitar is the Guitar Hero From the T2, 3, 4
It lives in the legacy folder.
I usually use this one with another guitar to get close to the sound. ...
Santana uses humbucker type guitars like Gibson Les Paul and PRS.
However, nowadays effects, stomper and amps can almost make any guitar sound like anything.
Look at the Taylor T5 ...
There are Stomp boxes to make your electric sound like an acoustic and vice versa.
That being said I saw a guy playing a very convincing Santana sound on a Fender Strat.
That's why I have hope, that even with the samples in the Genos we should be able to make it happen ...
Maybe Yamaha will listen and release a sound pack ...
Or Heidrun gets all inspired, or ... ;) ;D
Best regards
Eric
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What about Steve Hillage Glissando guitar!!! 8)
SAUCER SURFING!!! 8)
I also love that warm distortion guitar on Klaatu's album -- Lonliest of all Creatures in the Univese, when It gets to the orchestral journey through different styles of music
Hope by Klatuu Is a gem of an album
Long live 70s prog rock and obscurities Black sabbath Tony Iomi's guitar!! "YES"!!!
Also give me a Jon Lord organ anyday, The one you can rock back and forward with the rotary going like mad. "Oh the mental days of Deep Purple" Great era.
Nothing like Organic rock!!
All the best
John :)
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I saw Deep Purple in concert last year.
They still rocked it. 8)
Great stuff.
Eric
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Regarding the Pink Floyd guitars ..
Try Solid Guitar and Vintage Open (from Legacy sounds) as mixed R1 & R2, add reverb and effect, pan up to get depth to taste.
Thats what I use for Another Brick In The Wall.
The Soundwonderland styles should be good, as they are twice cost of Yamaha's own (at 15 Euro rather that around 7 Euro each. If I could understand any justification, I'd be there every week. I sympathise with Ryszard and Erbis.
Another option are Soundpacks UK registrations.
Al.
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Hello Al,
justification?
1. Yamaha has his style producers in countries where they can produce cheaper.
2. The effort difference between styles that have only little differences in the mains
3. Difference between 2 bar style loops and 8 bar style loops
4. Free Video tutorials, pdf tutorials, repertoire lists, very good and direct support
5. Fair payment to the style programmers
6. No only a hobby beside a profession - but our daily bread
7. No mainstream products that are sold hundreds of times
8. Do you know what it means to have an own little company?
With all the laws, taxes, costs around?
9. .... did you ever programme a professional style from scratch for a Yamaha keyboard?
If no, you would NEVER ask such questions again...
They really make angry because nearly nobody knows what effort is behind.
Seven days a week, 14 hours per day!!!!
Regards, Heidrun
P. S.: By the way: How long do you have to work for 15 Euros????
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P. S.: Cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.... is the best way to get monpols and worser quality!
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Hi ..
OK ... But CHILL 👍😊
SongWRITERS also get the crap end of the stick.
I DO think you should put these justifications on your website though. Be straight up with prospective customers maybe?
Personally, although I have the technical ability, and the patience, I could never do it, sat there 24/7. I appreciate long hours spent.. Yes I run my own business, work hard, and can make that amount in 40 seconds, that's not the point ... I pitch to just ONE person, you potentially pitch to thousands worldwide 😊
It's not obvious on the website, what all the advantages of membership are.
And maybe you might consider optimising a mobile website version?
The layout is very peculiar and wide using mobile/smartphone.
Maybe I'll try a couple of styles 😉😊👍 Any style you do suitable for Brothers in Arms?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=jhdFe3evXpk
Cheers! Al
Now .. back to my Pink Floyd Great Gig in the Sky, Barclay James Harvest, and Baker Street!
Now .. This IS talent ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eci4nqyGUu0
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Hi Heidrun
The sound quality of the Acoustic Guitars are great and so are the Electric Guitars and Strings. I purchased them.
I shall look over some more later
I realize it does take a lot of work to get sounds right and people must realize It saves them time and are able to play straight out of the box.
All the Best
John :)
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Hi ..
OK ... But CHILL 👍😊
SongWRITERS also get the crap end of the stick.
I DO think you should put these justifications on your website though. Be straight up with prospective customers maybe?
Personally, although I have the technical ability, and the patience, I could never do it, sat there 24/7. I appreciate long hours spent.. Yes I run my own business, work hard, and can make that amount in 40 seconds, that's not the point ... I pitch to just ONE person, you potentially pitch to thousands worldwide 😊
It's not obvious on the website, what all the advantages of membership are.
And maybe you might consider optimising a mobile website version?
The layout is very peculiar and wide using mobile/smartphone.
Maybe I'll try a couple of styles 😉😊👍 Any style you do suitable for Brothers in Arms?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=jhdFe3evXpk
Cheers! Al
Now .. back to my Pink Floyd Great Gig in the Sky, Barclay James Harvest, and Baker Street!
Now .. This IS talent ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eci4nqyGUu0
IMO____
Cannot stand that moo moo singer, absolutely dreadful and that keyboard sounding like a kids wind up toy.
Sort of mooooo MOO and rap rubbish. These women all sound the same today like a cats mewing. I call It dumbed down music.
Modern music Is getting into a rut and the same old rubbish is churned out week after week
Thank God for the Rolling Stones that bring class to Gladstonbury and showmanship.
Ozric Tentacles produce great new music that does not get recognized
I am still In love with Hawkwinds Silver machine
Bring on Pink Floyd , that is class and Camel!! . Now, that woman In Berlin can sing Terry Nunn!! and the lead singer of Heart
I am so glad I lived through the great era of music Rock, prog, Soul, Stax, Mowtown, Atlantic,
Maybe I am getting old and grumpy!!! :o
All the Best
John :) 8)
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Each to their own, I spose.
Now Camel .. Used to listen to their stuff all the time.Heart 👍👍 Alone.
I even have the rare Snow Goose album tucked away. 👍😊
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Hi Al
My mate Dave says I am stuck In the 70s and have not moved on
If you find a Time machine ,I am off!! 8)
Try the best of Tony Joe white
Also a band called Snowy White ---- Bird of paradise, lost gem
All the best
John
All the best
John
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@ Al
Our clients know why they buy our products - without justification! ;-)
We have a mobile version, you can find the switch on the bottom left.
Did you ever try to turn your smartphone into landscape format?
As you can see,
our pages have
much more pictures
than any others
of keyboard
software
companies.
There is no
chance to show
them together
with our lots
of information
in upright format,
if you don't want
to have a result
as you can read
in this last
two sentences!!!
:-)
@ John
Is is not only that one can play out of a box.
Sometimes I have the chance to listen to self-made registrations of our customers.
.... no wonder they search for alternatives, to say it shortly.
By the way: These days we are building a new time machine.
Interested? ;-)
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P. S. Al:
Yes, thousands of persons are able to hear our products wordwide.
But one doesn't get rich from them.
Your imagination of sale numbers are far far far away from reality.
As I wrote bevor: We don't sell mainstream products.
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... nearly nobody knows what effort is behind.
Seven days a week, 14 hours per day!!!!
Amen! I made styles from Motif/MOX performances. Each style took a day. And that was starting from finished musical material -- mostly the technics of translation, mixing and effect programming. Then there is testing on different arranger keyboards for compatibility.
A good quality style is labor intensive.
Keep up the good work, Heidrun -- pj
P.S. If anyone is interested in those styles, you'll find them here:
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/motif-styles-for-your-arranger/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/perf-styles-e443/
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JOHN!
One of my old faves here .. remember it?! BJH.
Newer arrangement, but some good keys stuff in this live arrangement!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxhan1BhVg
Al.
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P. S. Al:
Yes, thousands of persons are able to hear our products wordwide.
But one doesn't get rich from them.
Your imagination of sale numbers are far far far away from reality.
As I wrote bevor: We don't sell mainstream products.
Hi
Well, I tried to register, but I cant.
Using the mobile browser version, after entering details, pressing submit button does nothing. Just sits there.
The Orchestral Freeplay style shows up under T5 filter, but not under Genos .. Why?
\When will you have demo sound up inside those style selections?
Thx... Al
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Hello Al,
perhaps your browser does not show the spam protection?
(https://soundwonderland.de/media/pics/bilder/Spam-Protection.PNG)
Without that it is not possible to finish a new customer's registration.
One browser shows it, the other doesn't?
I can register you if you mail your registration data to me:
https://soundwonderland.de/pages/en/customer-area/registration.php (https://soundwonderland.de/pages/en/customer-area/registration.php)
For the registering you can tell me a temporary username and password.
You can change them after registrering in your customer account.
And about our styles.
It is up to the programmer if he builds also a Genos version.
Sometimes it makes no sense because the onliest difference would be the name.
The Tyros5 version of our both freeplay styles (Symphnoic Flow and Serenade) work fine also for Genos.
So take these versions, please.
Kind regards, Heidrun
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I had to open another browser to register, because Chrome (my standard browser) did not show the 3 'agree markers' above the spam protect field that has to be ticked to register. ???
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Thank you for this information, GJ.
Here again my offer to send me your registration data per mail, so I'll do it for you.
Here the data we need from you:
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Username: (Take a temporary one)
Password: (Take a temporary one)
First name:
Name:
Street:
Country:
ZIP/Postal Code:
City:
Phone: (If you want, but you never get advertising calls. It is only in the case you need help somedays.)
E-Mail:
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By the way:
We don't give your customer data and tracking info to Google & co.
For more detailed information, please see our "Legal Info".
Kind regards, Heidrun
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GJ/ H
Ah! Mine didn't either (check boxes) Spam entry fine. I have Chrome, Firefox and Dolphin on my device, normally use Dolphin.
(I'll check and let you know which shows, and which not, Heidrun) IT issue.
Al.
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Dolphin ...
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Chrome ...
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Firefox is good ..
These are maybe the three best mobile browsers around at the moment.
Al.
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That means, only Firefox works, Al?
I know about the troubles my webpage programmer has got with all the different browser standards.
It is impossible to hit them all!
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... an important question:
Which OS and which browser versions do you use?
Thanks for your kind help!
:-)
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Back shortly! With more info.
A
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Hello Heidrun,
I use Microsoft Edge and have no problems at all.
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At SW site, Firefox and Edge both works fine with Win10-64bit.
Compability issues at some sites at the web are the reason that I have several browswers installed.
There has also been some issues with Edge that Chrome solved nicely, so if problems show up, just try another browser.
But as we can see at SW site, it's not always easy to see what keep you away from register, specially when tickboxes don't show up. ;)
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Again thank you for your help!
What is always interesting to see:
It seems that no one has the idea to keep his smartphone in landscape format.
It makes no sense to use portrait format with such a lot of pictures as we have.
But to do it without them and only to use text information would be too less for my taste... ;-)
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Also the Internet Explorer works.
Safari 11.4.1 only shows mini-dots instead of the checkboxes.
But these dots may be "switched" on and off.
With both browsers the spam protection works.
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Only to give you some ideas that it is not possible to have only one standard for all browsers, here a list of browser apps.
Each of them has its versions - and each version has its own problems!
Amaya
Android Browser
Arora
BlackBerry Browser
BonEcho
Camino
Chrome
Comodo Dragon
CoolNovo (ChromePlus)
Debian-Browser
ELinks
Edge
Epiphany
Firefox
Firefox iOS
Flock
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Portable devices are the future. Auto landscaping is here anyway, but mobile/tablet browsers zoom a page accordingly (whatever the page layout) IF you use a decent browser.
Heres a portrait view on my smartphone of the site, followed by a landscape version.
Portrait .. then Landscape .. so in landscape you see larger but less of the page .. got it?
More to follow.
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PS. This website chopped off RH side of pic, but you can download pic to view proper.
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Ok Al,
you probably have a full HD or 4K screen.
Here also portrait is ok!
But there are also folks that visit us in portrait and 340px width...
What shall we do with them?
;-)
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Decent mobile browsers have a 'Desktop View' setting, which uses the websites desktop display. I use sometimes, as some websites' components do not work properly on the mobile browsers setting.
Unless you wish to go along with what Microsoft or Google almost forces upon us, ask developer to test in Firefox Desktop and Mobile browsers, and also Internet Explorer & Edge. Edge is the new thing in W10. It is a long way from perfect. Many PC users like the fexibility of Browser addons to do different things (A biggie with Firefox) Probably the most universal browser all round at the moment.
I have the best of both worls, as my Android phone connects to a Dell 27" widescreen and dispays in HD exactly as phone screen, portrait or landscape.
I just use PC or laptop for YEM, etc.
Al 😊👍
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Hi
Best practise is using adaptive or responsive web design...
These methods simply rearrange the page components according to the actual screen width: No small screen text, no horisontal scrolling etc.
SAME CODE FOR ALL LAYOUTS
Check my site!!!
Jørgen
check 1 col and 2 col layout for smartphone
and 3 col and 4 col for pc
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Everyone will HAVE to have HD screens in the end .. they will be forced to by either 1) Old one broken, or 2) minimum requirement to display anything!
That is what will put DVi and especially VGA connections out of business.
In the interim ... Edge browser by Microsoft replaces Internet Explorer, but there are many problems with it. If you have one working long-term, you are lucky.
Many just switch to Firefox or Chrome. Both have matching mobile app versions.
Al
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Yes, Jorgen's perfectly correct.
It depends on the software package being used to create the website.
Many are loathe to change from what they know though.
For now, stay away from too much 'Flash' content, as most mobiles cant/wont use it.
Java .. ok (it can be switched off easily, anyway)
A
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Ok Al,
you probably have a full HD or 4K screen.
Here also portrait is ok!
But there are also folks that visit us in portrait and 340px width...
What shall we do with them?
;-)
Are you going to stay in the past with them ... or help them realise the future?
😊👍
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Jørgen,
Responsive design can only work properly if you work with no pictures - or much less as we do.
Allthough we have a mobile version that re-arranges parts of our pages - it is a kind of responsive design, but not for all screen withs.
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Are you going to stay in the past with them ... or help them realise the future?
Ok, Al, probably we should collect for them that they also have a (minimum) Full HD screen... ;-)))
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Jørgen,
Responsive design can only work properly if you work with no pictures - or much less as we do.
Allthough we have a mobile version that re-arranges parts of our pages - it is a kind of responsive design, but not for all screen withs.
Heidrun
???
Well I have pictures at most pages at my site...
e.g. http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/fileorg/index.htm
and http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/midi_12.htm
and http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/otseditor/index.htm
...
Jørgen
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It was surely not simple to get all responsive, Jørgen...
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Hi Heidrun
I read somewhere that you should start the design with the smallest screen - vertical smartphone. And then expand to the horizontal smartphone.
Many problems arise if you start with a very wide dsign and then make it narrower ...
Works for me... ;)
Jørgen
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Yes, Jørgen.
But to have both: Pages that pleases the eyes and offer 100% functionality are hardly to reach.
It is similar with our keyboards and programming software for them.
If you always have to take into account the smallest and oldest keyboard model, you will never have a chance to programme also software that shows the sounds and functions of a Genos.
It will always be a compromise!
Kind regards, Heidrun
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Heidrun
???
Well I have pictures at most pages at my site...
e.g. http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/fileorg/index.htm
and http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/midi_12.htm
and http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/otseditor/index.htm
...
Jørgen
Good fast site Jorg..
Interesting ad showing there .. 'Mature Women like to say yes'
😂😂 Do they?
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YES.
.... but hmmmm....
NO!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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She pays some expenses without saying anything. ..
What more can a man want? ;)
Jørgen
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YES.
.... but hmmmm....
NO!!!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just saying! 😂😂
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She pays some expenses without saying anything. ..
What more can a man want? ;)
Jørgen
Ah! ... That's OK then 👌😂