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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Pianoman on May 01, 2018, 10:06:56 PM
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Hello Everyone.
I know that the Genos has numerous qualities, but there is always that one single thing
that makes one reach for his/her wallet or purse.
When I first heard the T3, what blew me away was the Saxophones, especially the Growl Sax,
more than the SA Jazz Sax and Breathy Sax.
Having been a Saxophonist and playing Sax in bands till I was 32, that clinched the deal for me.
The second thing was the styles, as I had become bored with the styles on my previous keyboard,
a Roland G-800 that I had owned since 1998.
My request is:
Name only 1 or 2 things that made you buy a Genos.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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1. Its light weight.
2. I made a decision and don’t have to fret about it any more.
Fred
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1. Quality and expressiveness of the "acoustic" instrument emulations/articulations (SA2) especially woodwinds.
2. FSX keyboard and knobs/sliders for control.
Hope this helps -- pj
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Mono-Legato
Drum editor
1.8 gb .expansion memory
10 register memory buttons.
Regards.
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Hi Pianoman
Me!! "Got to keep up with technology or you will be left behind"
Don't be like an Elephants bum "All behind"!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
No good being a luddite
All the best
John
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Abby
I did not buy a GENOS because I moved away from portables to the Clavinova range, but I am chipping in here to just say that like everyone who makes a living from their tools and assets, you look at what value it might bring to your business. But the vast majority of people on this website who bought Genos are hobbyists, and like all hobbyists they don't really need much of a a reason beyond its new, I have the money, i want it. I buy new golf clubs all the time, knowing well that they probably will make little difference, new cars as a matter of routine every 2 or 3 years, just to have the latest. Of course a business would not do that, it would evaluate the best use of funds. But that's not what we are, for the most part.
Just saying that I am not sure that you will really get very useful information rom your question.
Mike
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I haven't bought one. But if I do it will be because of the nice big touch screen, the 76 keys, new drums, light weight, and many live controls. I KNOW that's more than one or two. :) But, I wouldn't change for one or two things; it's the whole package that must appeal to you.
P. S. I still use the Growl Sax from the legacy sounds!
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It was the overall quality of the sound of the Genos.
Gloria
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1. Because my wife told me to.
2. I agreed with her.
;) Stijn
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It makes my awful playing sound amazing!
If anything ever happens to me please dont let my wife sell my Genos for what she thinks I paid for it! lol
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Abby
- I am chipping in here to just say that like everyone who makes a living from their tools and assets, you look at what value it might bring to your business.
-hobbyists they don't really need much of a a reason beyond its new, I have the money, i want it.
-I buy new golf clubs all the time, knowing well that they probably will make little difference,
new cars as a matter of routine every 2 or 3 years, just to have the latest.
Just saying that I am not sure that you will really get very useful information from your question.
Mike
Mike,
THANKS , finally someone who is willing to say the politically incorrect truth. We have all become victims of this “consume-consume-consume” craze. Your examples are 100 % to the point. Nokia (not many people know that is a Finnish company, their world headquarters are just a mile from my house) had an ad,
"How to impress your friends ? Buy the new Nokia".
After reading your post I went out in the yard, looked at my 27 year old Mercedes 300 SL and 18 year old Range Rover Vogue and said to my wife,
"I am not one of those who buy a new car every 3 years”
She smiled “No, you have become reasonable, but did you really need to trade in your earlier Range Rover 18 years ago? It had only 55.000 km. And by the way you have spent more time on that ugly new black keyboard than on anything else during the last months so somehow you remind me of those ancient Pharisees .”
Cheers
Kaarlo
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We have all become victims of this “consume-consume-consume” craze.
I’ve never felt like a victim. It’s always been a voluntary decision.
And, any chance you could stick to the subject line on this thread, just this once?
Fred
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For me, it was:
Primary reasons
Piano voices much improved (finally) over the T series
Far better sound processing though the Revo drums
Secondary reasons
Lighter weight
Touch screen
Faster speed through an SSD versus a disk drive
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- Overall Sound Quality
Quality Of The Voices And Articulations
Quality Of The Styles
76 keys
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Hearing this ... and any other Demo by Peter Baartmans,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjlZQKBWO6o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjlZQKBWO6o)
plus what appears to be a fact that the articulations capable on the Genos, tells me that
the Hardware is catching up with the software.
I hate to be bothered by the need to update this VST and that VST ..... lots and lots of VSTs.
I like to be able to use the right side of my brain in creating music.... and not worry about
maintaining my music software.....
I just hope that the intrigue of hearing all of these wonderful sounds is not going to be overcome by,
for someone whose first Arranger keyboard will be the Genos, what appears to be a lot of complexity.
I hope there is an intuitiveness built into Genos.
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1. Large touchscreen and the new Playlist feature since it rivals Korg Songbook that I love
2. Plenty of live Controls and the sound.
I know you asked for 2 items there are actually 4 within my 1 & 2.
It was the right decision. I've posted it elsehwere on the forum my wife thinks I'm over the top when it comes buying keyboards in general. When she saw the Genos she said " it looks similar to your Korg Pa4x" But then I turned it on and played a few tunes, she then said, "this is the best sounding one yet."
I play an annual Christmas holiday open house, I used the Genos this year and got the best response from the audience/visitors I've ever had using any other arranger. I'm also getting positive responses in other venues too.
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Abby
I did not buy a GENOS because I moved away from portables to the Clavinova range, but I am chipping in here to just say that like everyone who makes a living from their tools and assets, you look at what value it might bring to your business. But the vast majority of people on this website who bought Genos are hobbyists, and like all hobbyists they don't really need much of a a reason beyond its new, I have the money, i want it. I buy new golf clubs all the time, knowing well that they probably will make little difference, new cars as a matter of routine every 2 or 3 years, just to have the latest. Of course a business would not do that, it would evaluate the best use of funds. But that's not what we are, for the most part.
Just saying that I am not sure that you will really get very useful information rom your question.
Mike
Mike with your CVP Clavinovas, Shigeru and Yamaha grands I don't think a Genos is going to enrich your life anymore than the other great instruments.
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1 I love its edit ability as most things can be done quickly and on the keyboard.
2 It is lite when taking out and the Audience love the sound quality.
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1. I anticipated and wanted one right from the first teaser video, knowing the next generation of yamahas TOTL arranger would be something special.
2. Mid April, my dealer quoted a price i could not resist a day longer...after that its just pure sonic bliss.
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1. It's a good looking keyboard
2. 76 keys
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NUMERO UNO: I went really crazy last fall and bought a new red Mustang and needed a new keyboard to put in it. (yes it will fit with the back seats down)
NUMERO DOS: Because I did not buy a boat.
P.S. Seriously....I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't bar-hop, I don't fish, I don't hunt, I don't buy expensive shoes or clothes, I don't play golf and I don't...................you get the picture. The great vehicle is for my daily commute to work and the great keyboards are for my only real passion: MUSIC.
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P.S. Seriously....I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't bar-hop, I don't fish, I don't hunt, I don't buy expensive shoes or clothes, I don't play golf and I don't...................you get the picture. The great vehicle is for my daily commute to work and the great keyboards are for my only real passion: MUSIC.
I like your style!! you remind me of me. 8) :) Got the collection of keyboards but no red Mustang I drive a minivan.
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In no particular order...
Styles.
Voices
Multipad DoWop and other voices
76 Keys
Lightweight
Extremely upgradeable
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Cars were invented in 1890, and they already allowed people to move easily.
So, why did cars evolve ?
Why do we buy new cars ?
From the user’s point of view, Genos is just an evolution of Tyros, ...
Drums are really far better
Sound quality is slightly smoother and better
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1. 76 keys.
2. Sound quality.
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The quality of the instruments that have been recorded on for the accordion sound ***.
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1, succesor of T5
2, sound quality
Soryt :)
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1. 76 keys and reduced dimension, compared to T5-76
2. Touch-Screen (I love it :D )
3. Playlist feature (which in my vision is far over to the old MF)
4. 10 Regs per bank
5. Joystick
6. Drum Setup
7. Sound quality
It has some "Chinese" hardware inside, and low quality, but we don't know when we buy :)
Regards,
Vali
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Per your request Abby:
1. Improved Sound quality - particularly, but not limited to, many of the acoustic sounds with their fantastic articulations
2. Improved Styles quality - not just the legacy ones but also the addition of more contemporary options.
I tried out every Tyros since T3, and every Pax since Pa2x Pro, and this is the first time I committed to buying one for keeps. Genos has the most impressive overall package so far, IMO. However, I acknowledge that some of the older brands/models I previously mentioned do have some features and benefits that the new Genos does not. That is probably the reason that there can be no consensus. For example I definitely prefer the button layout and additional fills buttons on the Pa4x. But, I'm willing to give that up for the overall sound palate which I prefer in the Genos. Different people have different needs and wants for different situations and preferences
Per my life philosophy, Vive La Différence!
Hal
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If I bought one, it would be primarily for the all the choral voices.
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.......It has some "Chinese" hardware inside, and low quality, but we don't know when we buy :)
Regards,
Vali
Hi Vali,
I would not be too worried about that, there is basically nothing electronic you can buy to-day if you want to avoid Chinese hardware.
My TYROS 5/6 was made in China - they use the word "assembled in" to scare you less. :) and as a fact after 5 software - not hardware - updates it has worked well for years. We use Chinese hardware in the military target drones we produce and have not had more problems than with German or Japanese hardware. I believe anyone who outsources production to China runs the risk of giving away his most valuable production know how and design secrets, but that is another story. BTW the Chinese - I have worked with them for many years - learned quickly the modern way of never admitting any bugs, which bugs me, (pun intended)
Cheers
Kaarlo
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I've been one of the first to purchase the Tyros 4, 5, and Genos.. Yamaha does not disappoint (me at least).. Their products have always have had a great sound, well constructed (perhaps manuals lacked more clarity).. But they are a great company.. I would have bought one anyways. Glad I did..
I love the sound, I understand the architecture of Genos, Tyros, so it is easy to keep up with the changes with minimal adjustment to a completely new design
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For me, Genos is, unfortunately, out of the equation, not because of the expense, but because I no longer spend 7 days a week on stage as an entertainer. If I could go back to work, I would have a Genos in a heartbeat. After working with many of the converted styles on my PSR-S950, I have really been impressed by not only the big improvement in drum and bass quality, but also many of the right hand voices. I just listened to a song performed by a forum member on another forum and it was absolutely outstanding, especially the sax voice. The style itself was superb and much better than the same style I had once heard on the T5. To me, it is the best sounding keyboard I have ever heard and I have tried, and owned nearly every arranger keyboard ever produced. (hope my wife doesn't read this!) ;)
Now, when many people upgrade, or update their arranger keyboards, and I too have been guilty of this, we tend to want the new keyboard to sound just like the old one did. Well, that's a big mistake! It's not the same keyboard, even though it was manufactured by the same manufacturer. It has all new sounds, new dynamics and lots of great, new features that need to be explored. This is a tough nut to crack for most of us that have been on stage for more years than some of younger forum members have been alive. I had the same problems when I performed with a guitar. When I upgraded to a Yamaha 12-string guitar, I couldn't understand why it didn't sound like my old 6-string Ibanez. I finally came to the stark realization that it sounded one **** of a lot better, and within a few months I became very comfortable performing in front of my old audiences with that 12-string.
Good luck,
Gary 8)
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Well put, Gary.
As for Now, when many people upgrade, or update their arranger keyboards, and I too have been guilty of this, we tend to want the new keyboard to sound just like the old one did.
I don't agree. If I'm trading an old keyboard for the newest one and spending a few thousand extra dollars, it better sound a helluva lot better than the old one :)!!
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Hi Gary, Good thoughts in your comments about the Genos.
Gloria
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Dang it Gary, just buy a Genos. You can afford, you will enjoy it and you can't take all that money with you when you leave! :)
Actually you can leave the Genos to me in your will , about year 2040. I'll be 97 then.
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Don, I would buy one for Christmas, but Carol might have something to say about that. Yes, I can afford it, but after what I went through today, I'm not sure that it would be a wise move, economically.
I ventured up to the boat today to finish up some work that needed to be done before it goes in the water. I worked on it for about 45 minutes to an hour, then, without warning, the lungs went out and this old codger had to get into the car, turn on the AC and fire up the oxygen generator. The earth was spinning a lot faster than I thought it should. The temperature in the sun, which is where I was working, was about 100, with 90 percent humidity - not good for an old codger with nasty lungs. O'm headed back tomorrow and hopefully will finish what I started, but if not, I don't care - it will just have to wait till the weather improves. Next week, the weather is supposed to be in the low 70s, which is far more tollerable.
Don't hold your breath for that Christmas present, Don, ;)
Gary :cool:
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Ditch the boat, stay at home in the AC and play your Genos! :) Use headphones so you won't hear Carol yelling at you.
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Hi Vali,
I would not be too worried about that, there is basically nothing electronic you can buy to-day if you want to avoid Chinese hardware.
My TYROS 5/6 was made in China - they use the word "assembled in" to scare you less. :) and as a fact after 5 software - not hardware - updates it has worked well for years. We use Chinese hardware in the military target drones we produce and have not had more problems than with German or Japanese hardware. I believe anyone who outsources production to China runs the risk of giving away his most valuable production know how and design secrets, but that is another story. BTW the Chinese - I have worked with them for many years - learned quickly the modern way of never admitting any bugs, which bugs me, (pun intended)
Cheers
Kaarlo
Hi Kaarlo.
When I said "Chinese", I was referring about low quality of new buttons's contacts (blue-orange buttons contacts), which are not anymore like T-T5 contacts. I was referring also about power supply inside, which is not anymore as it was in every Tyros (or I think every keyboard)... now it is like a external laptop power supply, which is bond inside keyboard's case with wires ??? This is not professional approach, IMO...
But it is good that till now I did not have ant hardware problem, and it's good I don't see what it is inside :D
Regards,
Vali
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Don, I would buy one for Christmas, but Carol might have something to say about that. Yes, I can afford it, but after what I went through today, I'm not sure that it would be a wise move, economically.
I ventured up to the boat today to finish up some work that needed to be done before it goes in the water. I worked on it for about 45 minutes to an hour, then, without warning, the lungs went out and this old codger had to get into the car, turn on the AC and fire up the oxygen generator. The earth was spinning a lot faster than I thought it should. The temperature in the sun, which is where I was working, was about 100, with 90 percent humidity - not good for an old codger with nasty lungs. O'm headed back tomorrow and hopefully will finish what I started, but if not, I don't care - it will just have to wait till the weather improves. Next week, the weather is supposed to be in the low 70s, which is far more tollerable.
Don't hold your breath for that Christmas present, Don, ;)
Gary :cool:
Gary, If I had been able to stop by with my Genos on the way back from Florida, you may have already purchased a Genos because you would have loved what you heard. :)
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@ valimaties ,
Did you opend the Genos ? and do you have made some pictures of it ?
btw , the T5 was also made in China , T4 was made in Japan .
do not forget that the time that poor quality was made in China is well over, there are many Premium brands that have their top products made in China
Soryt :)
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For me, some of the early things that swayed me to go ahead and jump from Tyros5 to Genos:
1) Somewhat smaller form factor for 76 key version
2) having 76 keys (I have T5-61)
3) Internal almost-2GB-expansion
4) No HD (spinning disk) to fail
5) lots of new sounds, styles
6) Revo drums seemed like a big step up
7) sliders and knobs
There were things I was "keen" about, but decided I could live with, adapt to:
1) touch screen (I like the old non-touch screen better, but touch has its pros and cons)
2) black/dark color (harder to see on dark stage, but I can adapt)
3) loss of lots of buttons (voice select, style select) but I'll adapt
These are just the first quick thoughts that occur to me on reading the question that titles this thread ...
Jim
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@ valimaties ,
Did you opend the Genos ? and do you have made some pictures of it ?
btw , the T5 was also made in China , T4 was made in Japan .
do not forget that the time that poor quality was made in China is well over, there are many Premium brands that have their top products made in China
Soryt :)
I have a friend who opened it, because his childes plays with his Genos, not in his presence, and pull up some of buttons. He had to opened it, and he told me what I tell you now... He had T2, T5, and now Genos, same as me.
BTW, on my ex T5 the post label its wrote Made in Japan, not in China!
Regards,
Vali
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Don't worry, be happy.
'Plastic Fantastic Genos' will last as long as it last, then we have to buy new ones.
We're living in the world of use and trash, cellphones, keyboards or whatever ..... 8)
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I have a friend who opened it, because his childes plays with his Genos, not in his presence, and pull up some of buttons. He had to opened it, and he told me what I tell you now... He had T2, T5, and now Genos, same as me.
BTW, on my ex T5 the post label its wrote Made in Japan, not in China!
Regards,
Vali
Hi Vali,
you are 100 % correct about the power supply. I posted somewhere here earlier about that strange feature. Cannot find it now. Having built Böhm and Wersi organs from kits in the 1980ies I can never resist opening a new keyboard even though YAMAHA keyboards need motored screwdrivers and a set of bits (Torx, Philips and then some) in case you do not want to spend the whole afternoon opening all the screws. The amount used to keep the housing together is impressive and the result is a keyboard that unlike cheap contraptions is ONE SOLID BLOCK. You can try to twist and bend it, it will not give one millimeter and the screws are a very good fit, they fall in place.
But as you state, the power supply is not a YAMAHA proprietary item. They quite obviously found out they could spare a dime buy using a standard laptop power supply. Cheaper than manufacture one themselves as they did on earlier models. And what surprises, the power supply is just strapped to the bottom and as the standard output cable was too long they just wound up the extra. So it is not an item made to their order but one off the shelf like they are produced in millions. People who have never been working on mass produced items construction cost reduction may not believe: every penny is scrutinized. That is OK, but is not very professional to wind up surplus wiring like we do it at home. They should have shortened it, but then they would have had to re-attach the connector. Why do I say "unprofessional" risking being reprimanded. I have been in target drone manufacturing since 1968 and in electronics one tries to avoid any wound up excess cable lengths because the cable might induce or absorb an electrical fields. The rule is, make any leads as short as possible. But I am convinced YAMAHA will have tested interference. In this case the cable is no problem. And as a fact i removed it in order to see whether the problems I had were somehow due to this wrap up. They were not.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Hello Everyone.
I want to express my thanks to all of you for your responses.
My intention was to find out if there was a commonality of one or two, perhaps even three things,
that were the deciding factor in buying a Genos. Not 10 or 15 things.
Just 1 to 2, and maybe 3.
Many people may buy a car that includes lane assist, automatic climate control, cruise control,
distance detection, leather, wood panelling, masaage seats and other assorted goodies.
But when you ask the car owner why he/she really bought the car, it may basically come down to
just the brand, engine power , and suspension or aerodynamics.
It shouldn't be that difficult to pinpoint just 1 to 3 things.
Anyway, I see that this thread is slowly drifting away from my original request, so I want to
express my gratitude already, before we drift any further.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Hi.
Why, I did not understand better. The best I think would have been that I had saved a lot of money if I did not buy Genos.
It's just as good with my T5 as it does with my Genos.
Now Genos is bought and T5 sold so now there is no return.
The audience does not experience any lift when they want music and there are so small differences between Tyros5 and Genos.
Sorry but that's the reality.
Tommy
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Hi.
Why, I did not understand better. The best I think would have been that I had saved a lot of money if I did not buy Genos.
It's just as good with my T5 as it does with my Genos.
Now Genos is bought and T5 sold so now there is no return.
The audience does not experience any lift when they want music and there are so small differences between Tyros5 and Genos.
Sorry but that's the reality.
Tommy
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Thank you Tommy for your honest assessment.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Tommy, it's only your opinion. ;)
IMO (and a lot of other Genos users), the sound is much better ;) The possibilities of inserting a bigger number of DSPs, between T5 and Genos, I think it makes the difference in sound quality. If you use The same settings in a style imported from T5 in Genos, yes you don't fell to much difference, but WHY NOT using more DSP if they give us this possibility? EQs, Compresssors, etc
Drum Setup from Style Creator makes a lot of work in "changing sound" of this keyboard, too ;)
This keyboard has to be explored and used as it has to be, not with the limitations that T5 had/has ;)
Why do you change your old car with a new one, more powerfully, if you drive with the same speed?! Maybe because is more luxury 8) , or it has more protection things?! ::)
The same thing is here ;)
Regards,
Vali
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Hello Abby :) The Genos is lighter then the T5, but it does not have a tilted screen. On the other hand, it has better sound. But the T5 is without toucan screen, have a tilted screen, and is familiar, it is a Tyros 3 in a more modern edition. So what to choce? It sounds to me as you like your T3 a lot, but that it is reaching the end of its days. So maybe a T5 would be a good choice for you. Good luck with your choosing of a new instrument. You can make a tin can sound like a grand piano, that is how talented you are. So whatever you choose, good music will come from it! I am hoping to see you in autumn when you come to Trondheim :)
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First Yamaha since PSR9000 in 2000. Trying something different!
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Hi.
Why, I did not understand better. The best I think would have been that I had saved a lot of money if I did not buy Genos.
It's just as good with my T5 as it does with my Genos.
Now Genos is bought and T5 sold so now there is no return.
The audience does not experience any lift when they want music and there are so small differences between Tyros5 and Genos.
Sorry but that's the reality.
Tommy
Hi Tommy
Its unfortunate that you feel this way after making a big decision on such an expensive purchase..its hard to let go of something when there isnt any wrong and youve gotten comfortable with it.
At the moment i still have the T5 beneath the Genos and have done enough comparisons to conclude that the technology given the 3/4 year gap has truly advanced bw the T5/Genos.. Not sure what speaker/PA systems people are listening to but i use a pair of Yamaha DSR112s and DXS12 Sub. When amplified I do hear the difference..and its huge
Most often the audience may not even tell the difference bw Karaoke or us sitting on the stage corner, but knowing you have access to the latest and greatest advancements in music making will give you that personal satisfaction.
Give it time Tommy, maybe you will hear the difference when the opportunity presents you with a chance to hear someone else play the T5.
All the best
Ky
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Tommy is expressing buyer's remorse, as is his right to do so.
He feels that the difference between his T5 and the Genos is small.
He knows what he's talking about, so let him have his say.
After all, he is an owner who has had the luxury of playing his Genos and trying
out all the possibilities, and has come to the conclusion that he could have saved
himself some money by just staying with his T5.
We all make mistakes, and there is nothing wrong with that.
There may probably also be other Genos owners who feel the same way
too, but are hesitant to come out and say so.
We are also straying away from the original intention of this thread.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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All the increments between keyboard generations are relatively small so there has always been these comments that it may not be worth changing if it is just a single generation ie T2 to T3 for example. If you have a perfectly good T5 or maybe even T4 or T3 there may be a legitimate argument that it’s nit worth the bother/cost of upgrading to Genos. But if you are in the market for a new keyboard because your current keyboard is old, or just in poor shape, why would you not buy the best available? Why would you buy the previous model? Even if it is just a little difference it’s still a difference. So unless the cost difference really matters, it seems s a no brainer.
Mike
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;) My 2c .....
Regarding the differences between Genos and other Y models, and about buyers feel comfortable use money at it, I think it's mostly about personal taste, use and needs.
Some users / performers mostly play GM midifiles and other playback files, and also do as best as they can to make the new keyboard sound and act like past models, well, then the differences most probably won't be worth the the change or the money spent.
I think each model has it's own signature, and when compare Genos to T4, to me it's a big difference. But, I do all settings from scratch by use of the capability of Genos sounds and styles.
A friend of mine that still gig at regular basis sold his T5 and now play Genos. He do pretty much the same way as me, rebuild his playlist to gain most possible from the Genos. As he say, it's a learning curve and a bit work to do, but it sounds amazing!
The HIGH pricelevel compared to some other brands TOTL series was far too big at the start, and maybe still is, but if anyone ask me, I will say the 'Plastic Fantastic' Genos is the best sounding Yammie arranger 'till now. Also the keyfeel, the new touch screen and OS is in my opinion a BIG step forward. 8)
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I needed another kb as I had to place my T5 in my summer apartment in Spain (I normally live in Denmark). That said I must say that the Genos, although it is a great instrument, really is no major upgrade from the T5. And even more complicated to use.
So if you have the choice I would suggest waiting a few years to upgrade ...
Kind greetings
Torben
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I must say that the Genos, although it is a great instrument, really is no major upgrade from the T5. And even more complicated to use.
Recall that Pianoman would be upgrading from T3, not T5. I did upgrade from T3 to Genos and before doing so, I compiled a list of improvements I'd get when buying a Genos. I found 20 improvements over T3. Note that everybody may come up with a different list, because we all have different requirements depending on the way we use an arranger. So it is not possible for me to pick out 2 or 3 killer features that led me to open the check book. It was that massive progress in sound and features which results in pure fun using the Genos, and at the end of the day it's the fun that counts.
BTW I find the Genos easier to use. This was not on my list of improvements, it turned out after getting used to the new interface.
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I needed another kb as I had to place my T5 in my summer apartment in Spain (I normally live in Denmark). That said I must say that the Genos, although it is a great instrument, really is no major upgrade from the T5. And even more complicated to use.
So if you have the choice I would suggest waiting a few years to upgrade ...
Kind greetings
Torben
Hej Torben,
Du har rätt (you have right) as we say in Scandinavia. I envy you for being able to use two different keyboards. I am working so hard to get the Genos set up to be gig usable in every respect - see my rants - because I for one would not be able to USE both a Tyros and a Genos alternatively. My main reason for being in the process of trying to switch to Genos is not the sound - I believe like beauty is in the eye of the beholder , sound is in the ear of the listener - it is the weight and size. They make a "weightable" difference to me.
Jag lyfter hatten
Kaarlo
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Hi Tommy
.....Most often the audience may not even tell the difference bw Karaoke or us sitting on the stage corner, but knowing you have access to the latest and greatest advancements in music making will give you that personal satisfaction.
Give it time Tommy, maybe you will hear the difference when the opportunity presents you with a chance to hear someone else play the T5.
All the best
Ky
Ky,
thanks for a very good posting. We were talking about beauty the other day and some one quoted that old saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe we should not in the heat of the discussion whether the Genos sounds much better than the Tyros forget that "sound is in the ear of the listener" and as you point out, the satisfaction of "driving the latest model" ;)
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Hi Everyone
I love my Genos I have owned it since 20thNovember, I work on a 3 on 3 off rota and every day I spend at work I am thinking about the 3 days I am going to have giving my Genos some welly.
I previous to the Genos owned a PA4X and prior to that owned a PSRS900. I have never owned or had the opportunity to purchase a Tyros. As much as I wanted one I never could. So when the opportunity arose to allow me to buy a TOTL keyboard I was swayed towards the Korg 18 months ago over the tyros. However I found it highly frustrating , not user friendly and not quite the same user experience even as my old S900.
So having swapped in the PA4X a week or two after launch of Genos (with my local(ish) dealer who are amazing at what they do, and offer as much help as I need as and when required).
I brought the Genos home.
From the moment I turned it on to simply navigating the keyboard it was easy and a joy to use. It is simple and intuitive in its functions.
Now we get on to the sound of the machine, well as Im not privy to the actual sounds of functions of Tyros I am quoting this from a newbies point of view, I think its unbelievably amazing. From the nuances in the wood wind, dependant on the level of touch, to the outstanding Revo drums in the styles, it is truly an amazing keyboard with realism built in to the nth degree. Then we can move along to the Live controls well this can change the character of a voice in an instant and you have full access to any number of effects that again add charm and character to any music you play
If I was to pick one thing I love the most, and it is a close call between this and all the others I love equally its the flugelhorn. With the right amount of reverb it is a delight to play and listen to.
What I need is a week in a hall with a huge pa system....audience .....nah not bothered just a few pals to appreciate this fine amazing sounding keyboard
Hope you are all enjoying it as much as me :D :D :D
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Here's my 2 pennies worth. As Kaarlo wrote "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I had a T5-76 and a Pa4x at the same time, after playing the Pa4x which I still have I decided the T5 was no longer for me. I have purchased a Genos and am very happy with it not only for great how it sounds but with all the live controls for gigs and the playlist feature, it matches the Pa4x's live controls and Songbook. Both have their strong points and I don't really find for my use that there is anything I don't like. I like using the ice cream analogy somedays I like Vanilla other days I want something like Chocolate Chip Cookie dough ice cream.
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Hey all!
I maintain it's throwing money into a well if you change from Tyros 5 to Genos when it gets a far too high mid-price.
Sure, it's nice to buy a new instrument, but it's way too little to get for this money.
Is it then that you use your keyboard to play for audiences, then the first thing that has to be done is to change all the files used in their previous keyboard.
Here comes my sequel of what I have to do to use my previous files in Genos.
Now I only use my own midifiles for all public viewing.
The first thing I have to do to use for example the Playlist feature is that I have to sit and make about 800 Memory Banks, why?
Jo Genos is so constricted to use Playlist, so you have to make a Memory Bank for each title.
A bank for each title to make it easy to find titles without having to add 10 titles to each bank and then not easily see which titles are available in each bank.
It mentioned all the effects that can be added but who in the crowd takes advantage of these effects, no one likes to do well, so do not care.
Of the new sounds that came into Genos, are not all times better than the previous instrument sounds that have been found in previous models.
Some of the newer sounds are even worse than the ones before.
There has been a lot of straw noise, which in my ears is just too hard and not at all uncomfortable.
If we then go into the flood, then it is clearly deteriorated, it is down.
Earlier to my Tyros, I and my fellow musician used an extra display to display text, notes, chords for him.
Now we forgot this and use the karaoke feature that only shows text.
In the past we could both see exactly the same on our diplomas, but now it's only the karaoke feature for him.
For example, if I wanted to show a playlist to select a title, I have to enter submenus to change and then change back.
Minus for us!
If I want to use something that's much easier to make playlists, it's up to me to play all files without starting the next one.
If you forget to stop after each played midifile, the next one automatically starts.
Style is style and many are exactly the same as found in former Tyros.
In all of my previous Tyros, I've experienced that the sounds are embedded and it's the same here Geno sounds do not think I'm better!
Now I have just written negative so it will cause anxiety, which I understand.
But ... it can be difficult to admit that everything is not as perfect as salesmen want to demonstrate.
Tommy
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....I maintain it's throwing money into a well if you change from Tyros 5 to Genos ....
....it's way too little to get for this money.
....then the first thing that has to be done is to change all the files used in their previous keyboard.
....I have to sit and make about 800 Memory Banks, why?
....you have to make a Memory Bank for each title.
....without having to add 10 titles to each bank and then not easily see which titles are available in each bank.
....Of the new sounds that came into Genos, are not all times better than the previous instrument sounds
....Some of the newer sounds are even worse than the ones before.
....If I want to use something that's much easier to make playlists, it's up to me to play all files without starting the next one.
....If you forget to stop after each played midifile, the next one automatically starts.
....Style is style and many are exactly the same as found in former Tyros.
... it can be difficult to admit that everything is not as perfect as salesmen want to demonstrate.
Tommy
Tommy, maybe we Scandinavians are not used to having our legs pulled = At bli dragen vid näsan in Swedish. I feel exactly like you, and more and more so the further I get into preparing the Genos for gigs.
If things do not work as stated in both manual and reference manual we call that a bug, not something the buyer should find a way around, like the Parameter Lock that does not lock what is ticked, which you can get around by putting everything into every reg.bank.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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If things do not work as stated in both manual and reference manual we call that a bug, not something the buyer should find a way around, like the Parameter Lock that does not lock what is ticked, which you can get around by putting everything into every reg.bank.
Kaarlo,
Please don't spread these falsehoods. You're not helping the readers, and, more importantly, you're not helping yourself.
Parameter Lock works exactly as outlined in the manual, and is unchanged in its operation from the Tyros series.
It would take you less than a minute to test to verify its operation.
Fred
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You can buy a decent grand piano for $15k but a Bosendorfer costs about 5 times that. Does that mean it has to be 5 times better? Of course not, it just has to be what you want to be worth it. Same for a Merc versus a Ford or even a first class seat on a transatlantic flight versus a coach class seat. It’s not up to Tommy to decide what is and isn’t worth it for anyone except himself.
Mike
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Kaarlo,
Please don't spread these falsehoods. You're not helping the readers, and, more importantly, you're not helping yourself.
Parameter Lock works exactly as outlined in the manual, and is unchanged in its operation from the Tyros series.
It would take you less than a minute to test to verify its operation.
Fred
Fred,
I am sorry. If that is not geneally so there is a defect in both specimens we have here. "It would take you less than a minute to test to verify its operation." I know unfortunately you are convinced I am both unwilling and incapable of doing anything right. I may not be smart but please trust me, I will not claim anything without having thoroughly checked it. On the Genos in front of me the mic/voc.harmony is clicked on the parameter lock page and thus if I and the YAMAHA rep have understood the manual and reference manual correctly it should remain what it was set to unless changed via the panel buttons.
"This function is used to “lock” specific parameters (effect, split point, etc.) to make them selectable only via the panel
control—in other words, instead of being changed via Registration Memory, One Touch Setting, Playlist, or Song and
sequence data"
We have interpreted this text meaning shutting down the Genos (though that is a button) the chosen and parameter locked setting of the mic/vocal harmony will stay like it was set. Sorry to say, it will revert to 3 part harmony. We have interpreted the manual that it should not do that even in case one would call up a registration in which it was set to something else. But it reverts to the 3 part harmony even without pressing anything else then just the on /off button. And it cannot be anything else than reverting to default as I never use the 3 part harmony so it cannot even be on any reg bank.
The genos has update 1.3. and has been factory reset.
I there anything else I should or could do ? I remember being told there are no global settings, the system is designed to have everything put into the registry, but I believe that was before 1.3.
respectfully
Kaarlo
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"This function is used to “lock” specific parameters (effect, split point, etc.) to make them selectable only via the panel
control—in other words, instead of being changed via Registration Memory, One Touch Setting, Playlist, or Song and
sequence data"
We have interpreted this text meaning shutting down the Genos (though that is a button) the chosen and parameter locked setting of the mic/vocal harmony will stay like it was set. Sorry to say, it will revert to 3 part harmony. We have interpreted the manual that it should not do that even in case one would call up a registration in which it was set to something else. But it reverts to the 3 part harmony even without pressing anything else then just the on /off button. And it cannot be anything else than reverting to default as I never use the 3 part harmony so it cannot even be on any reg bank.
Kaarlo,
As you state in your first paragraph (in color, no less), Parameter Lock stops a registration from changing the setting that's locked. There's nothing in any manual anywhere that leads to the interpretation this has any impact on the on/off button. And by the way, this operation is unchanged from Tyros keyboards.
So, what you need to remember is:
1. The on/off button is not a registration.
2. Parameter Lock applies only to registrations.
3. Rather than wishful interpretation, you're betting off asking the forum.
Fred
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Kaarlo, this has been a problem with Yamaha's operating system for more than a decade.
Once you turn the keyboard off, then fire it up again, everything in parameter lock goes to factory defaults. Consequently, the factory default vocal harmony and effects comes into play, and if you have the parameter lock for vocal harmony checked, then your setup registration cannot change it to the values you wish. Therefore, if you have created a startup registration, which I highly recommend, including all of your vocal settings and pedal settings, the simple solution is to uncheck parameter lock, select your setup registration, then re-check the vocal harmony in parameter lock and it will be locked in place until you turn off the keyboard. It's something that I have done for more than a decade and for me it's just a simple step in setting up the keyboard for a performance.
Hope this helps,
Gary 8)
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It's a simple step but one that should be entirely unnecessary. Surely Yamaha could make some Global settings to be saved, like ALL THE OTHER COMPANIES DO.
Sorry for shouting. This has irked me for many years.
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Kaarlo, this has been a problem with Yamaha's operating system for more than a decade.
Once you turn the keyboard off, then fire it up again, everything in parameter lock goes to factory defaults. Consequently, the factory default vocal harmony and effects comes into play ...... select your setup registration, then re-check the vocal harmony in parameter lock and it will be locked in place until you turn off the keyboard.
Hope this helps,
Gary 8)
Gary,
Sincere thanks, it sure does. and I am very relieved. I seems I am not as completely over the hill as my wife has been claiming for the last 20 years. ;) You understood exactly what I meant and what to me and the YAMAHA importer's rep seems a crazy implementation, e.g. so it it is not me omitting to check "things that take just a minute to check" like has been claimed. It was the presumption that the Parameter Lock mic/vocal harmony functions like it does on split point (which does not revert to default) that was our error - whether understandable or not depends on the attitude of the adviser.
Whether the fact that Parameter Lock is just temporal is seen as proof of the superiority of YAMAHA software creators or as crazy is of course like everything a matter of opinion. That it is temporal is not expressly stated in the manuals, (did I oversee something ?) If it were this thread had been unnecessary.
"Once you turn the keyboard off, then fire it up again, everything in parameter lock goes to factory defaults."
On our two specimens split point does not revert to default, which is a blessing but may indicate not everything does. This inconsistency in implementation is what easily makes one suspect there is a bug. Which of course is a malicious interpretation as we are dealing with "the best keyboard" ever.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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"Once you turn the keyboard off, then fire it up again, everything in parameter lock goes to factory defaults."
This is not correct. Please stop posting these falsehoods.
Fred
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I don't like this kind of posting... It becomes like "feature bugs or not" thread, and please stop this thing!
If you think it is a bug, start a thread with what you think, but I see other title here!
Tommy (@Oymmot)... if you think Genos is not so far away from Tyros 5, please go and play a little bit with DSP possibilities in Genos vs Tyros5 ;) How many DSPs can you use in Tyros5 in styles?! BTW, this is one of the best improvement which made me buy Genos. The second (which contains two :D ) , its dimension (regarding of number of keys) and touch screen...
Regards,
Vali
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Lighten up, Fred. Sure, there are a couple things that do not, but VH and Pedals, which are two of the most important parameters, especially for entertainers, does revert. The split point stays where it is set, which is the case with a couple other items that are rarely used, but by and large the parameter lock can be a real PITA because of a minor programming issue that Yamaha has never addressed, though it has been pointed out to them by me and many other entertainers.
All the best,
Gary 8)
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Parameter Lock stops a registration from changing the setting that's locked. There's nothing in any manual anywhere that leads to the interpretation this has any impact on the on/off button. And by the way, this operation is unchanged from Tyros keyboards.
Amen. Fred is absolutely right. Parameters that survive a shutdown and subsequent restart of the Genos are exactly those that are stored automatically (no user action required) in the system memory. These parameters are clearly documented in the data list, see section Parameter Chart, column "System". The Parameter Lock has absolutely no influence on which parameter will be read from the system setup. Parameter Lock only applies to registrations, as Fred pointed out correctly.
It is true, that VH parameters will revert, simply because they are NOT stored in system memory.
It WAS true, the pedal parameters did revert in the Tyros series, because they were NOT stored in system memory. This has been changed with Genos. Pedal setup will now survive a shutdown and restart of Genos.
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Good to know about the pedal setting, Dromeus. Glad Yamaha finally addressed that feature.
All the best,
Gary 8)
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Good to know about the pedal setting, Dromeus. Glad Yamaha finally addressed that feature.
All the best,
Gary 8)
Gary, ironic that we were just discussing this problem this weekend by phone!
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hi
Just go forward and do not look back, because one day It will not matter.
Experience the living now!! 8)
Looking at the sound of the Genos and making a decision is a no brainer.
My older sounds still come out the same as the T5 and to me It is necessary to have some older raw sounds at your disposal.
The sounds you have In the Genos are far superior and the effects and manipulation of everything.
I would also say ditch the speakers that go with the Genos as You have a Rolls Royce with a mini engine metaphorically speaking.
Spend some of that cash and get decent speaker system it will pay dividends.
Buy an expensive pair of powered speakers and that will last through quite a few keyboard changeovers and therefore will be much cheaper than those boxy satallite speakers with a boom box evey four years.
You always get what you pay for.
What is the point In having a £4500 keyboard with a cheap set of speakers.
It defeats Itself.
John
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Hi John,
I know you love your speakers but for many myself included when you are sitting at home in a small music room the Genos speakers are just fine. We have just had our forum meeting and Steve from Yamaha came along with his Genos and a set of Stage Pass 600 speakers. Wow what a sound. Members learnt lots of tips to.
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1. The quality and variety of acoustic instrument based sounds
2. The user interface (ability to control these sounds easily) compared to say the Montage synthesiser which I previously owned
I've owned many top end synth workstations, I never expected an arranger to beat any of them on sound quality but Genos definitely does at least regarding expressive acoustic based instruments.... and it doesn't do too badly with its pallette of synth sounds, especially when you start exploring expansion packs (and there are many free sounds out there!).
Simon
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You always get what you pay for.
Well, at general terms I have to disagree to the statement in that line. :o
Too often I have a oposite feeling, we get much less than what we pay for. ::)
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Hi Eileen
At the end of the day it Is all down to what we are happy with.
I did not like the Tyros speaker system at all.
Boxy and boomy sounding to me and battery wires for connecting. What a mess of wiring It was also.
All our ears are different and It Is down to personal choice.
For me, I like the sound to equal my Marantz hi fi system at least.
Now we must get out In that sunshine while it lasts!! 8)
Any good tips from the man that came down from Yamaha??
All the best
John :)
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Yes John,
Lots. What ever people wanted to know he answered it.
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Hello Everyone,
I bought the Genos for several reasons 1) As a pianist the 76-note version is perfect, 2) I could immediately hear the difference in the pianos, strings, orchestra, vibes and most of the rhythms, particularly the live drum accompaniment but most of all, as it's now digital (similar to my PCs) there is a lot less button pushing and the overall 'light touch' isn't so demanding on my poor old hands. However, I am still very much in the experimenting stage, so am not able to give an honest opinion yet, but I'll keep in touch.
Audrey Turner
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Hello Audrey.
Please allow me to be one of the first to congratulate you and welcome you to the forum.
There are some good and helpful folks here, and I'm confident that you will enjoy this
forum very much.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Abby, I did a review of my audition of the Genos if you are interested.
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Hello Don.
I read your review a few days back, and it was a very good and honest review.
I've been out gigging intensively for the past 2 weeks and haven't had time to scribble.
My gigs start again tomorrow, for the next 7 days, then I'll have another day to rest.
I'm not working today, that's why you see me scribbling again.
I was on the verge of looking your post again right now, before I saw your post.
As you already know, I am also very interested to hear about your experiences with the Korg,
as I am fascinated by the different styles, and especially the drums and basses.
I feel that perhaps having a Yamaha instrument on one hand, and the Pa4X on the other,
would not be a bad idea.
As a Pro, you understand that even though the styles on the Genos may have been reworked,
you will still have 90% of the styles that existed in previous models.
I need a completely new sound for my gigs, to sort of reinvent myself in a way.
The Genos styles, as good as they may be, are mostly styles from previous keyboards.
People like you, Gary and me, as well as some others, probably do not care too much
about the hundreds of wonderful RH and LH voices on these keyboards,
and may not be as excited about them as others seem to be.
People who gig for a living usually place more emphasis on the styles.
Usually I have about 10 favourite voices that I use in practically every song.
The rest of my work involves my Stage Piano.
One thing that has surprised me, and others can look it up, is that the Korg prices
have been holding steady since I started looking them up a few months ago.
The Pa4X and Kronos 88 prices haven't dropped at all, in contrast to the Genos and
Montage prices which are almost 25% cheaper now than in December.
Please keep posting your opinions. I do read them.
It's just a bit hectic now with the gigs, and will continue to be so until November.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Hello Audrey,
Its been a long time since we spoke. I am sure you will soon get used to your Genos. Hope you have downloaded the extra Playlist and the latest OS which is 1.30.
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Abby, I replied to your PM. Very few here want to hear about Korg. :)
And that's o.k., it's a Yamaha forum.
When you go to the Korg forum it's about the same, except you CAN be critical about the keyboards as long as you are truthful and objective.
I am happy right now with both PSR S970 and Korg PA4X! I leave the Korg set up where I work, and use the 970 for learning songs or the occasional private party.
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Re: Korg vs Yamaha(or even Ketron) thing.
Both are excellent. I gigged with the PA4X before switching back to Yamaha via Genos. I think I just bonded with my Genos.
Discussions about what Korg/Yamaha can/can’t do can go on ad infinitum and still leave folks scratching their heads. Trying to come up with the three reasons you buy what works for you may be interesting...but not particularly useful in my mind.
Buy a Korg, Yammie, Ketron or whatever. Gig with it or play it for fun. At some point you will discover what’s right for you.
:)
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Re: Korg vs Yamaha(or even Ketron) thing.
.........Buy a Korg, Yammie, Ketron or whatever. Gig with it or play it for fun. At some point you will discover what’s right for you.
:)
One cannot argue with that statement, but I in may naivety thought this site was supposed to help us avoid (costly) mistakes. I must have been wrong. :(
Cheers
Kaarlo
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It is only us that can determine if we have made a costly mistake. That is why I always advise to try things out before you buy. It is only us ourselves that know what we are looking for and what we feel comfortable with and will be able to manage.
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One cannot argue with that statement, but I in may naivety thought this site was supposed to help us avoid (costly) mistakes. I must have been wrong. :(
Cheers
Kaarlo
The purpose of this forum is as follows, Kaarlo.
This forum is devoted to music news and issues relating to Yamaha Arranger keyboards (Genos/Tyros, PSR-S/PSR-E/PSR). It is intended for owners (or potential owners) of these keyboard and is dedicated to helping owners understand how their keyboards work and how to get the most out of their Yamaha keyboards. Information or questions relating to other keyboards are permitted if they are of reasonable interest to this forum’s members, are done in moderation and do not either heavily promote other brands or infer that Yamaha keyboards are a poor choice.
That statement is a part of the following link, which was updated by Joe Waters on October 28, 2017:
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,40714.0.html
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This forum is devoted to music news and issues relating to Yamaha Arranger keyboards (Genos/Tyros, PSR-S/PSR-E/PSR). It is intended for owners (or potential owners) of these keyboard and is dedicated to helping owners understand how their keyboards work and how to get the most out of their Yamaha keyboards. Information or questions relating to other keyboards are permitted if they are of reasonable interest to this forum’s members, are done in moderation and do not either heavily promote other brands or infer that Yamaha keyboards are a poor choice.
voilá !
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One of the biggest improvements for me moving from the Tyros 5 is the time that takes to install all my packs on the internal memory. I remember that on the Tyros it took me a very long time to get my 2gb stuff installed: I'd just leave the house and return cause it just took so long! but now on the Genos it's WAY faster and that is a major plus for me.
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The biggest thing is that you have to go forward.
You only have one life as far as I can see :)
The Genos is far better than the Tyros, but you have to keep up with the tech.
It also keeps the brain alive ::)]
Explore the voice editing and you will be surprised like I was.
You do not need voice packs for piano as a little tweaking In the voice edit is second to none. Extra voice packs are probably tweaked factory sounds anyway.
The Genos effect section is a must to study and can make big differences.
You have to learn what each part does and if you mess It up ,don't save it .Start again and experiment, google things that you do not understand. I am still bashing my head against the wall learning. It Is not easy getting the sounds you want when imagining the sound .
Even cars now are all electronic.
I suppose the next thing will be an Deluxe electric chair!!! :-[ :o ;D "make your hair or what's left of It stand up"!!!! :P :'(
The Genos is a no brainer :-X
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Hello Eileen, Yes it has been too long, mainly due to not being able to use the Internet on a regular basis. I am one of the many who cannot access or send out emails through the BT system. However I am about to change my Server. I've been told it'll probably take 10 days and when the job's done, I'd like to join your website again if you'll agree. Thank you, and all our other friends on this site for the constant help given.
Audrey T
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Yes Audrey,
That will be fine.
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Hello Everyone.
Just an update.
Though I'm playing 26 gigs per month, I took some time to go play the Genos
again when I was in town and near the music store this last Friday.
There were a couple of new styles that I hadn't heard before that were nice.
But I think that if I ever were to buy this keyboard, it would take a lot of weeks
of work, sweat and tears to make it sound as good as my Tyros.
I also found that the screen often required a couple of taps before anything opened.
Since I have very little time now, I try to listen to at least half a style bank for every
visit that I make to the dealer.
I have hardly dug into the voices yet, as I'm mostly interested in the styles.
But I'm going to visit the store again on Thursday the 21st.
I've got to run now, gigging in 55 minutes.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Hi Abby,
Great to hear from you.
Have you had a chance to audition the PA4X as well?
All the best
Eric
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You need to calibrate the screen for your own use. We all have different ways of touching screens ie. side of finger or full on or at an angle. Once you calibrate for your use it will work all the time with no problems. Genos is a very clever keyboard in many ways.
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Hi Abby,
Great to hear from you.
Have you had a chance to audition the PA4X as well?
All the best
Eric
Hello Eric.
Unfortunately the Pa4X is harder to find than Bigfoot.
Even on the second hand market.
A lot of T5s are being sold though.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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NUMERO UNO: I went really crazy last fall and bought a new red Mustang and needed a new keyboard to put in it. (yes it will fit with the back seats down)
NUMERO DOS: Because I did not buy a boat.
P.S. Seriously....I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't bar-hop, I don't fish, I don't hunt, I don't buy expensive shoes or clothes, I don't play golf and I don't...................you get the picture. The great vehicle is for my daily commute to work and the great keyboards are for my only real passion: MUSIC.
What engine in Mustang? mpg a concern?
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Hello Eric.
Unfortunately the Pa4X is harder to find than Bigfoot.
Even on the second hand market.
A lot of T5s are being sold though.
Best Regards.
Abby.
http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/451468/gonew/1/Korg_Pa4x_For_Sale#UNREAD
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Abby, sorry I have not been able to keep in touch as much as I should, but I have been spending as much time as possible on my boat, mainly fixing things and a couple weeks sailing with all my medical equipment.
I am happy to read that you are booked solid and staying busy, though a person with as much talent as you I would anticipate this would be the norm. I hope your health problems are in the past and that you are able to perform on stage pain free, or at least with as little pain as possible.
Keep in touch, old friend,
Gary 8)
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NUMERO UNO: I went really crazy last fall and bought a new red Mustang and needed a new keyboard to put in it. (yes it will fit with the back seats down)
NUMERO DOS: Because I did not buy a boat.
P.S. Seriously....I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't bar-hop, I don't fish, I don't hunt, I don't buy expensive shoes or clothes, I don't play golf and I don't...................you get the picture. The great vehicle is for my daily commute to work and the great keyboards are for my only real passion: MUSIC.
Don't do any of that stuff either... but don't have much as well. I love my PSR S970... it gives me much JOY to just sit and tinker with it.
:) :) :) 8) 8) 8)
Joe H
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Abby, sorry I have not been able to keep in touch as much as I should, but I have been spending as much time as possible on my boat, mainly fixing things and a couple weeks sailing with all my medical equipment.
I am happy to read that you are booked solid and staying busy, though a person with as much talent as you I would anticipate this would be the norm. I hope your health problems are in the past and that you are able to perform on stage pain free, or at least with as little pain as possible.
Keep in touch, old friend,
Gary 8)
Hello Gary.
Yes, the gigs are keeping me really busy right now. The swelling of the fingers and pain
has almost disappeared,
I cover a lot of distances and shift a lot of gear at the moment, plus the hours of the
actual gigging itself.
I called up an old friend here to see if he has time to come down and record some
new videos of my gigs.
He's in the Canary Islands for the next couple of weeks, but will come and record me
once he's back.
I understand that you've been to the Canary Islands. You've been everywhere Gary.
I assumed that you would be out sailing, especially with the great summer weather.
I hope your that you're enjoying yourself and your health is holding well.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Abby, glad to hear you are doing well, and I'm looking forward to seeing some new and exciting videos of your performances.
All the best,
Gary 8)
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Hello Gary.
Yes, the gigs are keeping me really busy right now. The swelling of the fingers and pain
has almost disappeared,
I cover a lot of distances and shift a lot of gear at the moment, plus the hours of the
actual gigging itself.
I called up an old friend here to see if he has time to come down and record some
new videos of my gigs.
He's in the Canary Islands for the next couple of weeks, but will come and record me
once he's back.
I understand that you've been to the Canary Islands. You've been everywhere Gary.
I assumed that you would be out sailing, especially with the great summer weather.
I hope your that you're enjoying yourself and your health is holding well.
Best Regards.
Abby.
Hi Abby,
Small world.
We were in the Canary Islands last year. Forte Ventura.
Funny thing : I live in Ventura. ... ;)
Have fun with your gigs.
All the best
Eric
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Hi.
Why, I did not understand better. The best I think would have been that I had saved a lot of money if I did not buy Genos.
It's just as good with my T5 as it does with my Genos.
Now Genos is bought and T5 sold so now there is no return.
The audience does not experience any lift when they want music and there are so small differences between Tyros5 and Genos.
Sorry but that's the reality.
Tommy
While I respect your opinion, its clearly in the minority when you look at other opinions of other people and users. As with computer syths, sounds and many other things, the user is primary reason for the pluses and minuses associated with quality. The Genos itself has been used in blind tests against other keyboards and has been picked out as the most favorable in blind sound tests of hardware keyboards. Sound on Sound, Korg, Roland and East West are all companies I know who have done these tests. The Genos continues to score the highest when sampling sound quality. My cousin was actually part of a focus group which compared several piano, electric piano, strings and brass samples. He was told he was comparing them for which sounded the best or favorable to him based upon the sounds. He said the played the same song or riff 5 times and each sounded a bit different. He had to rate them and give some comments about each one. He found out this was conducted by Korg and they used a computer to play back the same song using the different sounds from different keyboards. The Genos, Korg Kronos, Korg PA4X, Roland FA8 and Nord Stage2 were the keyboards he heard. Does this mean anything, no because sound quality is subjective to each person. There is not a definitive way to state which is better or worse, only opinions and ratios of people who prefer one sound set to others. In this case, the Genos is shining according to the results.
Lastly, Yamaha's own marketing reports show an overwhelming amount of people were able to pick out the differences between the Tyros 5 and Genos's sound sets and the preference of the Genos sounds over the Tyros 5 was about 87% overall in favor of the Genos. They found the same results when met with many different demoers and store experts who told them the same thing. The sales may be the biggest indicator as people speak with their wallet and this is where the Genos is proving it.
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Hello,
As many well know have been a fence sitter since Genos was announced . Decided to order a Genos last month, but here in
Israel cannot expect it perhaps until later in July. Have since sold my Tyros 5.
The 2 things that made me get off fence was reading all the wonderful comments about the machine and of course
my wonderful and handy women's intuition.
cheers
elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Me too. I also had serious reservations about getting the Genos. Wouldn't I miss some of the buttons that are on the Tyros but not on the Genos, and some other worries...
At first there were some issues but they got solved by the update 1.30.
There are still a couple of things to be solved. For instance, I miss the Upper Octave indication on the display, but I guess in time it will all be sorted out.
The touch screen is a joy to work with and with the assignable buttons there’s a lot to be done.
Now, after 4 months, all my registrations are updated and fine-tuned. And they sound wonderful.
The touch screen needs some getting used to but you will learn quickly and editing text is now so much easier with the virtual keyboard.
One thing annoyed me from the beginning however; the fingerprints on the display!!!! But, I made a screen protector and it works just fine.
I tried several plastic sheets and I got the best result with Transparency sheets. The ones that are used in Ink Jet Printers. They are firm, don't wrinkle, are very clear and they don't show fingerprints at all! The response of the touch screen is not affected.
When it gets 'dirty' you just throw it away and replace it with another one. You can cut 2 protectors out of 1 sheet. Don't clean the Transparency with water because you'll get stains on it.
Size: 20.2 x 11.6 cm / 7.95 x 4.56 inches
Regards,
Stijn
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Thanks Stijn.
Appreciate the transparency sheet tip and hopefully can get it translated into hebrew so can go to the computer store and
ask for it. Also would like to know if there are other methods to clean that screen. Certainly will have to be more conscientous
about cleaning hands after pizza.
Although there are serveral threads pertaining to some of the problems experienced on the Genos, the positives outnumber
the negatives... All machines have the capacity for the agony and ecstasy, so am not expecting to be completely under
its spell whenever it arrives. There is so much help and advice on the forum to overcome most if not all technical aspects.
What i am waiting for is the Liberace fairy dust file.
cheers
elaine
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Hi Elaine,
I always just wipe my screen with and micro fibre cloth when I switch off. Just as I do with my I pad. No problems at all.
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Was this question supposed to be worded:
"What's 1 or 2 Reasons that Made You Return Your Genos?"
Just kidding - BUT, I have a couple already..... although I haven't returned it ..... YET.
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Was this question supposed to be worded:
"What's 1 or 2 Reasons that Made You Return Your Genos?"
Just kidding - BUT, I have a couple already..... although I haven't returned it ..... YET.
Ok. What are they. Would be interested to know.
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Mixing multiple time signatures within a single song...
Can't advance through a playlist using a pedal OR any of the buttons on the screen - You have to tap and load ...
For the purposes of illustration ... I've attached 3 songs that contain multiple time signatures ... THIS is what would really sell me on this keyboard.... I can deal with the playlist, and just use registrations ... Matter of fact, I think it was Fred who gave me this idea .... that was also a big help.... but ... mixed time signatures probably requires a custom style, is my guess....
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Mixing multiple time signatures within a single song...
Can't advance through a playlist using a pedal OR any of the buttons on the screen - You have to tap and load ...
For the purposes of illustration ... I've attached 3 songs that contain multiple time signatures ... THIS is what would really sell me on this keyboard.... I can deal with the playlist, and just use registrations ... Matter of fact, I think it was Fred who gave me this idea .... that was also a big help.... but ... mixed time signatures probably requires a custom style, is my guess....
I just use a registration when I have different time signatures. I change from a 4/4 style to a 3/4 style, for example.
Fred
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Okay, Fred! I will try that... I am not giving up, that's for sure ... NEVER! and I'm NOT taking my Genos back... I actually love it.... I just need to get used to how to take advantage of it with workarounds ...
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Mixing multiple time signatures within a single song...
Can't advance through a playlist using a pedal OR any of the buttons on the screen - You have to tap and load ...
For the purposes of illustration ... I've attached 3 songs that contain multiple time signatures ... THIS is what would really sell me on this keyboard.... I can deal with the playlist, and just use registrations ... Matter of fact, I think it was Fred who gave me this idea .... that was also a big help.... but ... mixed time signatures probably requires a custom style, is my guess....
I have come across the same issue many times with mixed time signatures within a song. I have found two solutions, just in case the registration idea doesn't work out properly.
Actually our fellow forum member (Jørgen Sørensen) who developed a lot of our custom software that we use on our Yamaha keyboards has created a program that does exactly that, place a different time signature with a different style Main Variation. I have the program and fooled around with it a while back, however I ended up using my second solution that I will explain later.
The program is called, Style Time Editor. Check link below. Jorgen even has a sample style to download from this page.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stytime/index.htm
You can try it, but I ended up using a second method. Even if I managed to create such a style with different time signatures, it would be too taxing for me to press the correct style variation at the exact time without error. Maybe not such a disaster between a 4/4 or a 2/4 timing, but your song would come to a crash if you mixed up a 4/4 with a 3/4 or in one of your hymn examples, a 5/4 with a 3/4 timing mix-up. If you are precise, then maybe a great solution to create a variable time signature style.
What is unique to Yamaha is their Free Play styles. Meaning, no strict tempo is required. I created several modified variations that I use for the exact purpose you described. Some sustained Multipads work well with a Free Play style as well. Even a guitar strumming pattern Multipad that cycles very two beats can work with both a combination of a 4/4 and 2/4 song. A suitable Free Play style or tweaked one within Style Creator can work no problem with that 5/4 and 3/4 song. You can get nice fills and style breaks manually at the correct times or trigger a one shot Multipad fill at the correct time. Several Free Play styles in the Genos or available from YamahaMusicSoft.
If I find time this weekend, I'll take a stab at one of your PDF songs and post a MP3 of my results using one of my Free Play styles.
Regards, Marcus
Edit: Forgot, Jorgen's Style Half Bar Fill Creator could work for your 4/4 and 2/4 timing song by pressing a 2/4 style fill at the correct measure to keep the timing correct in your song with this combination of time signatures. Here is that link.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/filledit/index.htm
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Marcus .... great ... so what is your 2nd method/solution? The Freestyle????
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Also would like to know if there are other methods to clean that screen.
cheers
elaine
I use a natural cleaning solution called Ecomoist Natural Screen Cleaner. You spray a couple three sprays on the microfiber towel and then wipe the Genos LCD screen until the marks are gone. It works great. I purchased a 50ml bottle back in November of 2017 and the bottle is still more than 3/4 full. Just make sure the keyboard is off before cleaning the screen. That's according to the instructions on the bottle by the way.
Here is the U.K. Amazon website link for the product in case you are interested.
Ecomoist Natural Screen Cleaner 50ml with Fine Microfiber Towel (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00846UAZM?aaxitk=3Hkrjdee9S0t3bI07yhwvA&pd_rd_i=B00846UAZM&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_p=5525970907818403459&pf_rd_s=desktop-sx-top-slot&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=eco+natural+screen+cleaner&hsa_cr_id=9826168580702)
Mike
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All I ever use is a dampened cloth to wipe over and polish it with a micro fibre cloth to polish. Do the same with my I Pad.
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Marcus .... great ... so what is your 2nd method/solution? The Freestyle????
Yes. So basically you play the song with piano, organ, Ensemble or whatever right hand voices you want and the free play styles mainly give you a sustained chordal type background track. Pressing the fill/break buttons could give you orchestral breaks you can activate when switching back and forth from the 4/4 measure and 2/4 measures for example.
In addition multipads can be added, like guitar patterns that would fit both the time signatures being used. Sometimes I would modify a free style adding a basic drum track, not to overwhelm the song, but to keep timing. Again, a drum track that has a short pattern that would fit within two beats for the 2/4 measure or would simply play through twice for the 4/4 measure. Pressing a suitable style break fill at the beginning of the time signature change gets you back at the beginning of the measure or bar again.
Hopefully this helps and makes some sense. You have to be creative and practice when to use the fills and breaks when using some of the free play styles.
Marcus
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I have come across the same issue many times with mixed time signatures within a song. I have found two solutions, just in case the registration idea doesn't work out properly.
Actually our fellow forum member (Jørgen Sørensen) who developed a lot of our custom software that we use on our Yamaha keyboards has created a program that does exactly that, place a different time signature with a different style Main Variation. I have the program and fooled around with it a while back, however I ended up using my second solution that I will explain later.
The program is called, Style Time Editor. Check link below. Jorgen even has a sample style to download from this page.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stytime/index.htm
You can try it, but I ended up using a second method. Even if I managed to create such a style with different time signatures, it would be too taxing for me to press the correct style variation at the exact time without error. Maybe not such a disaster between a 4/4 or a 2/4 timing, but your song would come to a crash if you mixed up a 4/4 with a 3/4 or in one of your hymn examples, a 5/4 with a 3/4 timing mix-up. If you are precise, then maybe a great solution to create a variable time signature style.
What is unique to Yamaha is their Free Play styles. Meaning, no strict tempo is required. I created several modified variations that I use for the exact purpose you described. Some sustained Multipads work well with a Free Play style as well. Even a guitar strumming pattern Multipad that cycles very two beats can work with both a combination of a 4/4 and 2/4 song. A suitable Free Play style or tweaked one within Style Creator can work no problem with that 5/4 and 3/4 song. You can get nice fills and style breaks manually at the correct times or trigger a one shot Multipad fill at the correct time. Several Free Play styles in the Genos or available from YamahaMusicSoft.
If I find time this weekend, I'll take a stab at one of your PDF songs and post a MP3 of my results using one of my Free Play styles.
Regards, Marcus
Edit: Forgot, Jorgen's Style Half Bar Fill Creator could work for your 4/4 and 2/4 timing song by pressing a 2/4 style fill at the correct measure to keep the timing correct in your song with this combination of time signatures. Here is that link.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/filledit/index.htm
I didn't find time last weekend to create an audio demo of my Free Play style solution, but fooled around a bit during this week to make a few audio demo examples on how I would deal with mixed time signatures within a single song. I chose to try the "10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)" song because the PDF had the lead line, chords and Lyrics and both the 4/4 and 2/4 time signatures. That's pretty much all one needs to work the magic of these modern day arrangers, especially the new Genos.
Never hearing the song before, I found a piano part that helped me flesh out some arrangement ideas and to integrate a customized style(s) to suit. A Praise song is in my wheel house, so quite easy rearranging and recording with the Genos. I found my Right Hand piano parts from the link below.
https://musescore.com/user/94620/scores/124550
At any rate, my first demo (10000Reasons(PowerPopBallad+vocal).mp3) is perhaps my choice on how I would perform this Praise type song. This rough idea was recorded me playing live to a custom style, OTS and multipads. The Multipads have two beat guitar patterns that would fit for both the mixed 2/4 and 4/4 time signatures. A style "Break" can help with the transition between the timing events. I added a little VH in the choruses and recorded a couple of verses.
10000Reasons(PowerPopBallad+vocal).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/8v9s33bmtl654oysteuohzi7n8zij89j
This second demo is just showing another style choice that works with the song.
10000Reasons(PowerBallad2).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/c5l3csb4mtmm6lxzxpqbjbadwnzjrgz7
The third demo is my concept of creating a Classical type version of the song. I am using the Genos "String Adagio" style, custom Ensemble voices, and choir Multipads. All my songs are arranged to play live and are called up through Performance Registrations on my Genos.
10000Reasons(StringAdagio).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/iwdwbtptf0l7u9pgg5w8ysdb8zp0s6df
A Free Play style can work with this song, but not my first choice. However, an interesting version can be created in this demo. I chose the xt5_FreeEvolution Free Play style I purchased from YamahaMusicSoft a while back. Sort of a contemporary twist to the song using this style. I customized it in Style Creator and saved it with the 73 Tempo. Reason being, although the style can play without a strict tempo, the rhythm type Multipads are slave or clocked to the style. So by setting the Free Play style at a strict tempo, the Multipads are at the correct tempo. Multipads "OrientalPerc4" are linked to the style. You will notice the drum beats appearing during parts of the song. Since the drum patterns run every two beats, they fit within both the 2/4 and 4/4 sections of the song. Again, I use the style "Break" for the smoother transition between the two time signatures.
10000Reasons(Freeplay).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/ffua8dpeq9pdlmkc3k6dod3kgtyz59v1
Hope the above helps in addressing different time signatures within a song.
Lastly, here is a list of a few things that made me buy a Genos.
-The best sound quality ever on any Digital Arranger Workstation.
-CFX piano voices, the lush Kino Strings or the punchy Revo!Drums.
-AEM (Articulation Element Modeling)
-C7 Grand Piano (Perfect for production piano with my custom arrangements.)
-Genos features a diverse range of content library, including 1,710 instrument sound, 550 backing patterns, 216 arpeggios, lots of new Multipads containing exclusive Genos Voices and DSPs.
-Genos boasts unprecedented DSP power.(Love adding individual channel insertion DSP effects to my MIDI songs.)
-Using the same VCM technology as Yamaha’s professional high-end mixing consoles with the tools to create the perfect sound.
-1.8GB of user flash memory with high speed reading/writing for your own Voices.
-Select and change parameters directly with the new 9" colour touch screen.
-10 Registration Memory buttons.
-New S/PDIF Digital output without any loss in audio quality.
-New 32bit Digital Audio Converter (DAC) provides high quality defined sound across a wide frequency range, ensuring Genos always cuts through the mix. (A Toronto sound engineer once told me that the (DAC) in the Tyros series was highest quality amongst the competing brands. The Genos take sound quality to yet another level.)
-The FSX keyboard features a premium action with aftertouch. (Such a pleasure to play and add feel and expression through aftertouch action.)
-Four Sub line-out connections.
-Yamaha Expansion Manager (YEM) with support for WAV, AIFF, SoundFont and REX formats.
-Genos, super light at 13.0 kg (28 lb, 11 oz).
-Polyphony at 256 (max.) (128 for Preset Voice + 128 for Expansion Voice). (Have not yet experienced any note drop-off even with my most complex 26 track arrangements.)
-491 Pro, 39 Session, 10 Free Play, 10 DJ styles.
-Audio Phraser software is amazing. Create your own Audio Styles.
-Added a new function: Voice Guide.
-Play multiple Audio Link Multi Pads simultaneously.
-Play an Audio Style file on the USB flash drive directly.
-Edit Audio Styles with the Style Creator function.
-Select the Drum Kit of the "Expansion" folder on the Drum Setup window of the Style Creator.
-Record the sound of Audio Style and Audio Link Multi Pad playback with the Audio Multi Recording function.
-You can now select whether playback of a Multi Pad stops in the following cases, on the Style Setting display:
・When Style playback is stopped.
・When the Ending section of Style is played back.
-Select whether playback of Style and Multi Pad stops when MIDI Song playback stops, on the Song Setting display.
Perhaps I could go on to over 10,000 reasons why I bought a Genos.
Regards, Marcus
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I didn't find time last weekend to create an audio demo of my Free Play style solution, but fooled around a bit during this week to make a few audio demo examples on how I would deal with mixed time signatures within a single song. I chose to try the "10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)" song because the PDF had the lead line, chords and Lyrics and both the 4/4 and 2/4 time signatures. That's pretty much all one needs to work the magic of these modern day arrangers, especially the new Genos.
Never hearing the song before, I found a piano part that helped me flesh out some arrangement ideas and to integrate a customized style(s) to suit. A Praise song is in my wheel house, so quite easy rearranging and recording with the Genos. I found my Right Hand piano parts from the link below.
https://musescore.com/user/94620/scores/124550
At any rate, my first demo (10000Reasons(PowerPopBallad+vocal).mp3) is perhaps my choice on how I would perform this Praise type song. This rough idea was recorded me playing live to a custom style, OTS and multipads. The Multipads have two beat guitar patterns that would fit for both the mixed 2/4 and 4/4 time signatures. A style "Break" can help with the transition between the timing events. I added a little VH in the choruses and recorded a couple of verses.
10000Reasons(PowerPopBallad+vocal).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/8v9s33bmtl654oysteuohzi7n8zij89j
This second demo is just showing another style choice that works with the song.
10000Reasons(PowerBallad2).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/c5l3csb4mtmm6lxzxpqbjbadwnzjrgz7
The third demo is my concept of creating a Classical type version of the song. I am using the Genos "String Adagio" style, custom Ensemble voices, and choir Multipads. All my songs are arranged to play live and are called up through Performance Registrations on my Genos.
10000Reasons(StringAdagio).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/iwdwbtptf0l7u9pgg5w8ysdb8zp0s6df
A Free Play style can work with this song, but not my first choice. However, an interesting version can be created in this demo. I chose the xt5_FreeEvolution Free Play style I purchased from YamahaMusicSoft a while back. Sort of a contemporary twist to the song using this style. I customized it in Style Creator and saved it with the 73 Tempo. Reason being, although the style can play without a strict tempo, the rhythm type Multipads are slave or clocked to the style. So by setting the Free Play style at a strict tempo, the Multipads are at the correct tempo. Multipads "OrientalPerc4" are linked to the style. You will notice the drum beats appearing during parts of the song. Since the drum patterns run every two beats, they fit within both the 2/4 and 4/4 sections of the song. Again, I use the style "Break" for the smoother transition between the two time signatures.
10000Reasons(Freeplay).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/ffua8dpeq9pdlmkc3k6dod3kgtyz59v1
Hope the above helps in addressing different time signatures within a song.
Lastly, here is a list of a few things that made me buy a Genos.
-The best sound quality ever on any Digital Arranger Workstation.
-CFX piano voices, the lush Kino Strings or the punchy Revo!Drums.
-AEM (Articulation Element Modeling)
-C7 Grand Piano (Perfect for production piano with my custom arrangements.)
-Genos features a diverse range of content library, including 1,710 instrument sound, 550 backing patterns, 216 arpeggios, lots of new Multipads containing exclusive Genos Voices and DSPs.
-Genos boasts unprecedented DSP power.(Love adding individual channel insertion DSP effects to my MIDI songs.)
-Using the same VCM technology as Yamaha’s professional high-end mixing consoles with the tools to create the perfect sound.
-1.8GB of user flash memory with high speed reading/writing for your own Voices.
-Select and change parameters directly with the new 9" colour touch screen.
-10 Registration Memory buttons.
-New S/PDIF Digital output without any loss in audio quality.
-New 32bit Digital Audio Converter (DAC) provides high quality defined sound across a wide frequency range, ensuring Genos always cuts through the mix. (A Toronto sound engineer once told me that the (DAC) in the Tyros series was highest quality amongst the competing brands. The Genos take sound quality to yet another level.)
-The FSX keyboard features a premium action with aftertouch. (Such a pleasure to play and add feel and expression through aftertouch action.)
-Four Sub line-out connections.
-Yamaha Expansion Manager (YEM) with support for WAV, AIFF, SoundFont and REX formats.
-Genos, super light at 13.0 kg (28 lb, 11 oz).
-Polyphony at 256 (max.) (128 for Preset Voice + 128 for Expansion Voice). (Have not yet experienced any note drop-off even with my most complex 26 track arrangements.)
-491 Pro, 39 Session, 10 Free Play, 10 DJ styles.
-Audio Phraser software is amazing. Create your own Audio Styles.
-Added a new function: Voice Guide.
-Play multiple Audio Link Multi Pads simultaneously.
-Play an Audio Style file on the USB flash drive directly.
-Edit Audio Styles with the Style Creator function.
-Select the Drum Kit of the "Expansion" folder on the Drum Setup window of the Style Creator.
-Record the sound of Audio Style and Audio Link Multi Pad playback with the Audio Multi Recording function.
-You can now select whether playback of a Multi Pad stops in the following cases, on the Style Setting display:
・When Style playback is stopped.
・When the Ending section of Style is played back.
-Select whether playback of Style and Multi Pad stops when MIDI Song playback stops, on the Song Setting display.
Perhaps I could go on to over 10,000 reasons why I bought a Genos.
Regards, Marcus
Right on!!
I can give one final reason, now that I've been gigging with the Genos the audience reaction has been best ever using any arranger. I'm a little surprised at that since I know it's the musician not the keyboard but the Genos is proving to be a real winner.
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Mixing multiple time signatures within a single song...
My approach is to use midi-song for this. I make registrations like this: the first bank starts the midi(sync-start as soon as I hit a key) and the other 7 give me different flavors and settings for the channels and R+L voices. Of course, it is very hard to make changes in a live performance (repeat a verse, insert a break/bridge/solo, etc...)
To be on the topic, the 2 reasons I would buy a Genos:
1. I don't have one
2. my wife is forcing me to (to prove that I'm a rich guy, which obviously I'm not)
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Hi Marcus --
Thanks for "10,000 Reasons." We do this tune with our congregation and it was fun to hear you interpretation. Our take is kind of gospel/country and I'm usually playing some kind of mellow B-3 (channeling Danny Federici :) ). No arranger, all live, 12-string guitar + piano + synth (me).
New 32bit Digital Audio Converter (DAC) provides high quality defined sound across a wide frequency range, ensuring Genos always cuts through the mix. (A Toronto sound engineer once told me that the (DAC) in the Tyros series was highest quality amongst the competing brands. The Genos take sound quality to yet another level.)
For the nerds...
The Genos MAIN OUT DAC is the Asahi Kasei Microdevices AK4490EQ. SUB 1, 2, 3, and 4 are the AK4396 DAC.
The Tyros 5 uses the AK4396 for MAIN OUT, SUB 1, 2, 3, and 4.
All the best -- pj
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Sounds and sounds. 8)
The best I ever heard.
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My approach is to use midi-song for this. I make registrations like this: the first bank starts the midi(sync-start as soon as I hit a key) and the other 7 give me different flavors and settings for the channels and R+L voices. Of course, it is very hard to make changes in a live performance (repeat a verse, insert a break/bridge/solo, etc...)
To be on the topic, the 2 reasons I would buy a Genos:
1. I don't have one
2. my wife is forcing me to (to prove that I'm a rich guy, which obviously I'm not)
Not sure if your PSR-S770 has Song Position, Loop or Repeat functions in the Song Player, however with the Genos one can also Sync/Start a suitable style along with the MIDI Song file. This way, the user is in control of the fills, breaks etc. Also while a style is synced to the MIDI Song File, the MIDI can be prepared with time markers throughout for repeating a verse or a chorus etc. (see photo below)
(https://i.imgur.com/hTsVyU1.jpg)
Also within your registration, the custom style used can have OTS voice setting memorized to each variation main part. On top of that, each OTS memory save can have a different Multipad Bank linked and memorized to it. So not only does the User have manual control of the Song Repeats and Loops, a synced style with 4x4 Voice OTS saves (16 different voice combinations) along with 4x4 Multipads (16 selectable Multipad combinations), one or more Multipads can run from a Multiupad bank linked to an OTS save, and a Multipad selection from the next linked Multipad bank can be selected and activated while another Multipad is still playing from the first Multipad bank or an entirely different Multipad category bank. This is huge creative control over a live performance plus no worry sucking up too much polyphony notes. I have never yet experienced note drop-off with the Genos with the available 256 (128+128) stereo note polyphony.
You don't have to be rich to own a Genos. I am on a fixed income and pension, however my playing with my Genos easily pays for my musical equipment. I paid over $800 CAD in the 70s for my first mono synthesizer or several thousand for a console organ back in the day. In today's dollars (8 to10x) 2018, same synthesizer comparably would cost more than a Genos and a similar console organ would cost me well over $20,000 CAD. I realize that each circumstance or area of the world can be vastly different or not equal opportunities, but still amazing where technology has taking us.
Marcus
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At any rate, my first demo (10000Reasons(PowerPopBallad+vocal).mp3) is perhaps my choice on how I would perform this Praise type song. This rough idea was recorded me playing live to a custom style, OTS and multipads. The Multipads have two beat guitar patterns that would fit for both the mixed 2/4 and 4/4 time signatures. A style "Break" can help with the transition between the timing events. I added a little VH in the choruses and recorded a couple of verses.
10000Reasons(PowerPopBallad+vocal).mp3
https://app.box.com/s/8v9s33bmtl654oysteuohzi7n8zij89j
Perhaps I could go on to over 10,000 reasons why I bought a Genos.
Regards, Marcus
Marcus!!!
I'm JUST seeing this and didn't want you to think you went through all of that effort per niente!
In any event - GREAT voice! And what you did was PERFECT! PERFETTO!
It makes sense, and encourages me to simply seek, and ye shall find!
You guys - ALL of you, are amazing!
Thanks so much for the work you put into describing and further demonstrating the capability of how to deal with multiple time signatures ...
TRULY priceless info on this site!
Timbo
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SOUND! SOUND! SOUND! There is a huge difference between the T5 and the Genos. I have owned all the Tyros models except the very first one and the Genos is by far the best. Audiences love it and I am getting a very positive response when I play. I get an amazing number of seniors up dancing at gigs. Lighter weight to carry and superb sounds. What's not to like!
Graeme
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After listening to many demos by very great players I read the specs.I was surprised this keyboard had more keys and was lighter then my Tyros 3. I had the Tyros 1 and 3, decided not to buy the following Tyros because I didn't think there was much of a change. I switched to Ketron Audya 4 modula Arranger and midied it with a Yamaha keyboard, they were light easy to carry but took longer to set-up, the quality was good. I decided to try the new Genos, it took me a while to understand the filing system on this keyboard, once I understood it everithing became easier. After 3 months I am still setting it up for live performance, I only use Registrations and name them after a song I think the keyboard sounds great! I did a little sample using an old style, I think even old styles sound different in this keyboard. In this video I am also using the harmonizer on my vocals, I am experimenting with a few styles and voices.
you will find the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y0pS7-a7Ac
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..... I decided to try the new Genos, it took me a while to understand the filing system on this keyboard, once I understood it everything became easier.
...... I did a little sample using an old style, I think even old styles sound different in this keyboard. In this video I am also using the harmonizer on my vocals....
Fantastico signor dinapoli :) But is Napoli not Naples ? I cannot remember seeing the Golden Gate Bridge or the Manhattan skyline when visiting Naples. So how did you accomplish that ?
Alternative truth ? The only thing I trust to be non-trumpish in this video is YOU playing your Genos and using 2 mics like I do, one with harmony and one without. Alternative mics, not alternative truth.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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It is called green screen! If you look at the weathercast on your TV they use the same system. If you look at other videos that I posted on YOUTUBE you will see Napoli Ischia Capri etc. The music or the vocals are always live!
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My request is:
Name only 1 or 2 things that made you buy a Genos.
Best Regards.
Abby.
88 high quallity keys with aftertouch...
And guess what?
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"Aah" - - We are now back on track with the original question - "Name only 1 or 2 things that made you buy a Genos." ;) My answer is: "its beautiful sound." :)
Gloria
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88 high quallity keys with aftertouch.....
Unlike the following poster who feels we are right back on track I am more bewildered than ever. ::) Can find only 76 keys with after touch on my Genos. And fortunately they are the same after touch keys (same spare parts number) as the keys on Tyros 1 launched 16 years ago. Hard to believe, some things are so good they cannot be improved upon.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Kaarlos, Bachus is just expressing his desire for an 88 key arranger, which will not likely happen because it looses it's portability, which is what makes an arranger keyboard a desirable instrument for OMB entertainers throughout the world.
Gary 8)
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I guess it's about time I answer the question about why I bought the Genos. I bought the Genos because of the increased polyphony, 76 keys, excellent drums, portability, higher quality DAC, large touch screen, built in phantom power (nice feature), amazing sounds and speedier data transfers. I'm sorry I couldn't limit it to one or two things but I think you get the idea. The Genos is such a fabulous keyboard there are so many things that make it a truly outstanding arranger. The price of the Genos is the only real negative in my opinion. For that very reason I think some people chose the Pa4x instead of the Genos. But in my opinion I think the Genos is the better of the two keyboards and that's one more reason why I went for the Genos. 8)
Mike
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I am finding my audiences respond really well to the Genos - better than with the T5. I am having a great time with the Genos and loving it totally, and this is coming from T2, T3, T4 and T5. Take the time to tweak it and you will love it too!
Graeme
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Because of a back problem, I switched to Ketron Audya 4, I midied the Audya 4 with a Mof the sound is good lighter to carry but more to assemble.
I noticed the Genos is a little lighter than the Tyros and has more keys. Some of the styles are the same or similar to my Tyros1 and Tyros 3.
I just recorded a song with one of the movies styles, I recall using this styles in the Tyros 1 and 3. The orchestral sound are great on this keyboard. You will find my demo here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3I4Wag46g
This was done live in one take, turn the speakers up and enjoy the music.
This keyboard is a keeper, my Audya4 is for sale!
Happy New Year!
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Lots of improvements over my old T3 ... but Ensemble Voices. That's what got me to pull the trigger.
Adam
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Lots of improvements over my old T3 ... but Ensemble Voices. That's what got me to pull the trigger.
Adam
Could have bought a T5 for that...
But i agree its the Ensemble voices that make these 2 keyboards unique in keyboardland.
The only other key that had some of these where the Roland Fantom arx brass expansion as well as the jp80.. but far less advanced then the Genos..
But there ismuch more to be liked about Genos..
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I bought the Genos because I have owned Yamaha keyboards in the past and enjoy the sounds and styles. Could name other things that I bought it for but this answers your
question on 2 things i bought it for.
I have to say this: i bought my Yamaha keyboards from Frank Ventresca in Milford Ct. Without Franks prices i would not have been able to elsewhere. Service: Unbeatable !
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A used Tyros 5 is a good alternative. Half the pricw, and almost all the features of the Genos. I love my T5😀
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A used Tyros 5 is a good alternative. Half the pricw, and almost all the features of the Genos. I love my T5😀
And almost impossible to find nearby in Canada, at least through Kijiji. It would have required a 8+ hour round trip to buy the nearest one, and their price wasn't that much cheaper than a new Genos, all told.
Adam
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I guess I was extremely lucky then!😀
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I just recorded this old Italian song, using the GENOS keyboard, this keyboard has a very nice E Piano, the harmony I used is also from this keyboard, when used at low volume it adds to the voice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMMHxBI5WCo
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I just recorded this old Italian song, using the GENOS keyboard....
I did not understand a word of the lyrics, but it's a beautiful song, real nice performance and video!
Thanks for sharing. :)
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Dinapoli, thanks for sharing your video, this is a beautiful song & beautiful scenery! Your voice is great and the sounds you are getting with your new Genos are beautiful! :)
Gloria
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Hello,
After nearly 45 years of playing guitar, I had a desire of an arranger. I went to a shop, the best of all was the genos. So I bough it.
Regards,
Pfeuh
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Thank you Gloria, The Genos is a great keyboard. It is a great tool to experiment, to change old songs and write new songs.
I am taking the liberty to post one more. This is an improvisation around "The good the bad and the ugly"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3I4Wag46g&t=43s
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Because Technics didn't make the KN8000 ;)
Sorry but at the time I thought Technics had a better sound quality than the Yamaha equivalent. I only bucked up courage a couple of months ago to part exchange my KN7000 for a Genos as the KN was showing its age. It would have been interesting to have compared the Genos to the latest Technics keyboard offering if they had stayed in the Musical Instrument market.
Glen
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(https://i.postimg.cc/j5qWrBmv/E3-ABA3-D4-2303-4186-8-CA0-2-ADD27107109.jpg)
One picture says more the 10.000 words
But sound speaks for itselves.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/j5qWrBmv/E3-ABA3-D4-2303-4186-8-CA0-2-ADD27107109.jpg)
One picture says more the 10.000 words
But sound speaks for itselves.
looking good Bachus... I think it is becoming aprrant the strengths of the Genos sound engine compared to the PA4X, what I am also interested to know bachus how would you compare the over all fidelity coming from the Genos (DAC & preamp etc) compared to your old Pa4x in your sitting through you monitoring system... as I was blown away by the Montage fidelity compared to the PA4X which made life tricky for me to make them fit together (PA4X & Montage) in the same mix landscape.... incidentally what are you using for your monitoring system + any outboards ?
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One picture says more the 10.000 words
YeeeeeeaaaaHHHHHHH! :)
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Nice setup, Bachus! What stand are you using?
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Nice setup, Bachus! What stand are you using?
Its a K&M table stand.
They have 2 different ones on offer, with a huge amount of accesoires.
Both would work well for double and tripple setups..
I also have an ipad stand, sheetmusic stand as well as a laptop stand for this stand..
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looking good Bachus... I think it is becoming aprrant the strengths of the Genos sound engine compared to the PA4X, what I am also interested to know bachus how would you compare the over all fidelity coming from the Genos (DAC & preamp etc) compared to your old Pa4x in your sitting through you monitoring system
Genos and my modx are where it comes to fidellity on a whole different level as the pa4x. Only Kronos and Kurzweil Forte come close.. its much more about the small little details in the Genos sounds.. pa4x sounds are much more straightforward... they still sound good but somehow miss the little intrigues and details of the Yamaha sounds.. the strength of the yamaha sound is not as much in the engine but in how the preset voices are programmed. Thats where Yamaha is unparralelled.
... as I was blown away by the Montage fidelity compared to the PA4X which made life tricky for me to make them fit together (PA4X & Montage) in the same mix landscape.... incidentally what are you using for your monitoring system + any outboards ?
I have some new monitors on back order, sold my yamaha hs8.. only using a high quallity sennheiser studio headset..
There is another thing, i want to share with you..
My opinion about the sound difference between Genos and MODX..
They are essentially 2 whole different beasts..
While sonnically they are on the same level..
The soundcharacteristics of the instruments are different..
Not (again) because of the engine, there are differneces, but they are not the main reason
Its because of how the voices are programmed..
The Genos is programmed to use single voices that sound as realistic as possible..
The modx is programmed to sound wide and majestic, for multiple layer sounds..
With a superknob structure that can slowly or on a whimp change the whole soundspectrum..
To be creative and createyour own music..
Both these things require different setups and presets..
So you basically need to filter this out when comparing the pa4x to the montage/modx.
Its a different sound at its core. Same goes for the Genos..
To my ears and liking, the Genos outperforms the pa4x in pretty much all aspects..
Except the acoustic piano sounds, and the synth capabilities for programming your own sounds..
But then, for acoustic piano, i use the modx.
I prefer them even above the kronos.. both the CFF as well as the Imperial..
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Thanks Bachus for your input there... i do follow your analysis on all things keyboard relateded over the years here and on other forums and have found great value in your writings... so when you moved to the Genos I did take "Note"... i have had some down time with Genos in a shop (Which is a 6 hrs round trip for me) but the only real way to compare with what i am use to would be to try Genos at home in a familiar set up... so interestingly the other day a dealer here in the UK started advertising a 10 day home trial with Genos (free of charge) with no obligation to buy (only carriage needs to be covered) which I am very tempted to do and of course included in my thoughts has been your move to Genos from the PA4X which I still have (value noted above) so why I think this home trial with Genos will happen very soon I am holding back for the recently talked about OS update for Genos (if this materializes) which will help in my decision which way I choose to go.
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People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.
Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.
IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a good singer and a great entertainer.
The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.
We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.
The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸
Babette
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People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.
Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.
IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a good singer and a great entertainer.
The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.
We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.
The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸
Babette
Why defend your choice here?
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1. Because my wife told me to.
2. I agreed with her.
;) Stijn
Love it Stijn! ;D
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Love it Stijn! ;D
Me too..
My wife has no opinion on this as long as i pay it from my monthly allowance...
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Me too..
My wife has no opinion on this as long as i pay it from my monthly allowance...
Bachus! Your monthly allowance? Good one mate ;D
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What's Monthly Allowance lol :P ;D
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I am not defending my choice since I am not a gigger, Bachus.😉
The original question of this thread came from Pianoman.
Pianoman is a great pro gigger in Spain.
As far as I am informed Pianoman is a Tyros3 player and maybe, I am not sure, he has the intention to order a Genos.
Only Pianoman can give you the answer.
Babette
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I know an entertainer who still gigs with Tyros 2. He had Tyros 1 many years. He is very popular here!
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What's Monthly Allowance lol :P ;D
Thats whats left after i hand my monthly salary to my wife..
I get an allowance, like kids get pocket money..
But its essentially the same.. its the money i can spend on anything i want...
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LOL Bachus I knew what it was really, I was just trying to be funny it's non existent here lol
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LOL Bachus I knew what it was really, I was just trying to be funny it's non existent here lol
Well to be honest..
My wife runs the household..
And she has got her own allowance for personall pleasures..
And then there is our savings, about which we decide together..
We are pretty emancipated,..
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1. Acoustic guitar sounds (all the voices, to be honest);
2. Quality of sound out-of-the-box.
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People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.
Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.
IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a good singer and a great entertainer.
The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.
We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.
The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸
Babette
« Last Edit: February 10, 2019, 06:48:52 AM by beykock »
Yes, the audience come for the Show but the Entertainer needs good tools, but most of all, the performer has to feel comfortable in using the tools.
These days many great midi files and karaoke files are available, what makes one stand out?
I am old enough, to have owned a DX7 and a Farfisa. Those days we made music with those keyboard and a little drum machine. The DJ came out we lost ground. The advance of the Arrangers technology leveled the field a little. All this technology created a greater competition. These days and as usual, the people come because they like you, for what you do! As you say they couldn't care less what you use, yes it's true but I will choose a GENOS over the old DX7 anytime!
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Friend
I also had G800, then G1000, I remember the G1000 timbres and styles were fantastic, then came the G70 that at the time here in Brazil was more famous than the yamaha, today I have a Genos, which is a very advanced technology and in the moment exceeds the current Roland models
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The Roland EA-7 is quite good, but more of a middle-line unit.
I have Korg PA4X, Roland EA-7 in addition to the Yammy.
PA4X is by far my favorite, but they all are fantastic!
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Hello, I have posted quite a few times on forums; there is absolutely nothing I like about the Genos! I have had three tablets and two phones and the touch screens are abominable. I found the same on the Genos when I played them. Live Knobs? I only have two hands and those are needed to play. The knobs on my S770 never return to the start position. The sliders on my T4 are jumpy so OK for getting within range then resort to the buttons for fine tuning.
Finally, for this post, sound is a matter of opinion. I play my T4 and I play with my T4 and the sounds are great. No one in my audiences would be able to tell the difference between a Genos, Tyros or, sad to say, a top of the range Casio. It is my playing and my settings that people listen to. I set up my registrations BEFORE I go out so no need to wiggle knobs or push sliders on the fly.
Having tried the Genos a few times I am still of the opinion that if it came on the market at $100 I still would not buy one. I love my T4. ;D
Regards,Den.
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And I agree fully!
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I am one happy Genos owner. I am a convert from Korg and previously Roland.
One thing I noticed that the Tyros owners try really hard to convince themselves that Tyros is as good as Genos; they say the audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference blah blah....
No! Genos is much better! ;D
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But the touch screen interface is not for everyone.
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Being a T5 lover, it has never been my intention to say the Tyros is better than the Genos.
Both highend arranger keyboars are made by the same manufacturer and have very good features and a great sound ... but both of them are different " beasts ".
All depends on the applications and the needs of the player.
Babette
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Excactly Babette!
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Hello, I have posted quite a few times on forums; there is absolutely nothing I like about the Genos! I have had three tablets and two phones and the touch screens are abominable. I found the same on the Genos when I played them. Live Knobs? I only have two hands and those are needed to play. The knobs on my S770 never return to the start position. The sliders on my T4 are jumpy so OK for getting within range then resort to the buttons for fine tuning.
Finally, for this post, sound is a matter of opinion. I play my T4 and I play with my T4 and the sounds are great. No one in my audiences would be able to tell the difference between a Genos, Tyros or, sad to say, a top of the range Casio. It is my playing and my settings that people listen to. I set up my registrations BEFORE I go out so no need to wiggle knobs or push sliders on the fly.
Having tried the Genos a few times I am still of the opinion that if it came on the market at $100 I still would not buy one. I love my T4. ;D
Regards,Den.
Isn't it great that no one's forcing you to buy one?
Cheers,
Fred
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I bought mine out of curiosity. Kept it about 3 weeks before selling it.
Went back to my Ketron SD7.
Deane
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The Genos is a fantastic keyboard, but the Tyros is more practical for me. And we can get a little emotional about our keyboards. That is all right, music is about emotions😀
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Played a Classical musical instrument professionally, back in my teens and early 20's, then life got in the way(along with supporting a family). At one point around my 55th year, I bought a Yamaha CVP 405. This to me, was like a regular piano which I could practice on, but also had these(new to me) things called styles, different voices, registrations, etc.etc. It give me my first taste of what arranger type keyboards can do. Now, at my 70th year and retired, I bought a Genos about 6 months ago, and since I am now retired, I have lots of time on my hands to learn and play it.
Coming from a Classical background in my earlier years, with a BM and MA in music degrees from Juilliard in NYC, (not in piano), most of my friends that do not understand an arranger, think of these as toys. (A perception I had too, up until I bought the CVP).
For me, it took a bit of getting used to, having come from weighted keyboards to the Genos. Compared to a weighted keyboard, it seems too easy to hit wrong or adjacent keys. Really had to focus on(and practice on) hitting the right keys, squarely on top, without catching the adjacent keys, which will depress very easily if my fingers are slightly off.
But having said that, and realizing what a true arranger could do, I was hooked and since I could afford it, and after much research, I went with what I thought was the best available at this time(the Genos). So I did not come the usual way of working my way up through the Tyros series, to the Genos.
So after this very wordy explanation, the two things that made me buy a Genos, was, buying a CVP a number of years ago, and then, when I retired and having done lots of research, the Genos seemed to have the best reviews, so I went for it. And I am VERY happy I did.
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People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.
Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.
IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a good singer and a great entertainer.
The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.
We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.
The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸
Babette
How right you are.The public is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.Only the owner and other keyboard players are But people who have shelled out a lot of money want to believe the audience will rewad them for their outlay. In 4 decades of ever better instruments I have never met a normal audience member appreciating the advancement of keyboard techonology, if they say "I like your music " it, is usually because they know the tune and like your singing, That is why I always ask the folks on the floor what tune they would like me to play.
Cheers
Kaarlo
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Well I for one have been told what a lovely sound is coming from the keyboard and people come up to have a closer look as they are really impressed.
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I have always liked Yamaha keyboards. The Tyros and now the Genos.. Each is a level better than it's predecessor. The SA2 voices, although not new anymore blow people away who are not aware of them. I have a lot of Kontakt Libraries, some great.. But Genos (because of hardware and software) has a move 'alive' sound. Don't know how else to describe it. Also Yamaha pays the most attention to the 'homogenous blending of their sounds'. That is The piano may not knock you out as the best piano you have heard. But when you use the Genos/Tyros line to create a 'live band sound'. The individual instruments, have been sampled, EQ'd to fit together really well..
I've used every brand of keyboard out there. and while some have truly killer sounds, when you stack 4 - 8 tracks of them together, they sometimes 'fight' with each other.
The fact you can create a live 9 track piece of music in real time, and it sounds so professional, is at least 10 years of studio engineering experience.
That's why I love 'Genos'
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One of the many reasons which made me buy a Genos is the feature that plays a little Demo for each sound. Although I don't use it very often, it is very inspirational.
Another reason is how easily customisable the control panel, knobs and sliders are.
And the fact that the Genos looks like the spaceship Galactica! Or a futuristic keyboard a Klingon would play! ;D