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Title: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on March 30, 2018, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from Synthzone
In a few weeks at musikmesse we will see a 61 version of the Genos..
Thats a rumour coming from Germany..


My dealer has said this all along

And why shouldn’t there be a 61

When Ford make a car they make a salon, a coupe, a hatchback
There have to modify some part but if there is a market then they
go for it. It’s about making money.

Pino
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: tyrosman on March 30, 2018, 12:49:41 AM
I Doubt this and this is never going to Happen
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on March 30, 2018, 12:53:31 AM
WHY?
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 30, 2018, 01:40:02 AM
If there is a G 61 on the way, there most be a reason, maybe lot lower sales than Yamaha expected?
I think if a 61 was planned, it would be released at the same time as 76, maybe even before, and I don't see any reason Yamaha should keep quiet about it.
Doubt the rumours is true, but if they are, there are some people getting the dreams come true.
Only time will tell, Musikmesse 2018 is 'just around the corner'.  :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on March 30, 2018, 01:45:00 AM
I suppose anything's possible, Pino. Logically, for Yamaha to produce a 61 key version, they would need to shorten the entire keyboard by about 9 inches or 23 centimeters. The button row occupies about 90 percent of the space over the keys. They would have to move several of those buttons. The Genos has very little wasted space - one of the delights over the T5, not to mention a drastic weight reduction. In short, they would need to do a complete body re-design.

Of course, they did build 88, 76, and 61 key versions of the Motif series, so like I said, anything's possible. My instincts tell me they will release a stripped down, 61 key version called the PSR Genos or some such name.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on March 30, 2018, 02:11:34 AM
Look at my other set-up, only 2.2 kilos
Touch screen, Sounds terrific
Why does the Genos need to be so big?
My iPhone and iPad does amazing things and yet so small

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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: tyrosman on March 30, 2018, 02:21:54 AM
WHY?
because it Never will and I'm not saying why :P
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: DrakeM on March 30, 2018, 03:03:50 AM
I think it is coming too. 76 keys are too many for an arranger.  ;)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on March 30, 2018, 03:15:48 AM
I had a T4 - 61 key. I bought the T5 - 76 keys and couldn't believe the difference the extra octave made. A lot less fussing with the octave button! For the many of us who came from the T5 - 76 keys to the Genos, the Genos seems very small in comparison. I had my T5 and Genos at the same time for about one week so I could transfer all my files. I actually got out a tape measure to make sure Yamaha had given me the same number of keys :) (LOL)!

The 76 keys comes in handy when you're playing professionally too.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on March 30, 2018, 03:17:02 AM
Very nice setup, Pino! Thanks for sharing. I always enjoy seeing pics of other peoples' setups.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: whataguy on March 30, 2018, 04:18:38 AM
Absolutely right Lee. Maybe we should have a special section for nice people like this who will share this type of information. Don in MI
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Fred Smith on March 30, 2018, 04:25:46 AM
WHY?

Yamaha makes a 61-key keyboard. It’s called a PSR.

They have settled on 61 for PSRs, 76 for Genos, and 88 for Clavinovas. I see no reason for them to change this lineup.

Fred
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: J. Larry on March 30, 2018, 05:37:57 AM
A 61-note Genos would get my attention.  I sold my 61-Tyros 5, expecting the same on the new Genos.  Didn’t happen, so I passed.  Don’t need a 76, since I concentrate primarily on making wav file backing tracks for performance purposes.  Got a 61 PSR and a new 61 Korg.  They do the trick just fine.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: guitpic1 on March 30, 2018, 05:54:33 AM
All the arrangers I owned were 61 key until Genos.  I’ve gigged twice now with Genos.  Takes some getting used to 76 Keys but I like it.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on March 30, 2018, 06:22:37 AM
I can certainly see where a 61 key is perfectly adequate, as in J. Larry's case. Anything more would be a waste :).

Aren't there similar keyboards with 49 keys or something like that? When you're not performing live stage, smaller key beds are fine - although back in my earlier days of owning the PSR 2000 and PSR 3000, I sure did a ton of gigs with those two puppies!
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on March 30, 2018, 07:10:10 AM
The 76 note Tyros 5 sold better than they thought but people said it was very large and heavy. Now we have a 76 note Genos which is not much longer than Tyros 5 and a lot lighter in weight. it is also selling very fast as such a lot of people I know have all got Genos and love the 76 note. The extra notes are ideal for using three way split now. I would be very surprised if there bought out a 61 note. I think this will now only be used on the S series.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: KeyboardByBiggs on March 30, 2018, 07:49:01 AM
I just saw a demo that referred to the specs showing Genos is only 3" longer than the 61-note T5.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: stephenm52 on March 30, 2018, 08:29:59 AM
Pino, I like that set up with the Ketron SD40 nice looking and compact.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: DrakeM on March 30, 2018, 11:47:42 AM
What Yamaha ought to do is ADD one more button and put over by my LEFT hand.

That button would flip you over to the RIGHT 2 (only when selected) and silence RIGHT 1. Then if you taped it again it should go back to RIGHT 1, that would be slick. ;)

There are a lot of times I would like to switch off while playing my lead as a guitar and flip it over to the Pedal Steel Guitar. I do it sometime by having the OTS set up but it is to tricky to get it right some times. Heck, I can't remember which OTS is the Pedal Steel  with all that is going on when performing.  ;D

Regards
Drake
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on March 30, 2018, 11:50:25 AM
I Doubt this and this is never going to Happen

I think it is silly that people cannot accept the idea of a 61 key Genos.  It might be called by another name and could be the PSR 975 follow-up.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Fred Smith on March 30, 2018, 12:30:22 PM
I think it is silly that people cannot accept the idea of a 61 key Genos.  It might be called by another name and could be the PSR 975 follow-up.

So you’re saying the same things as others — when a new 61-key keyboard comes out, it will have a different name, like PSR — but when other people say it, it’s “silly”?

I don’t understand how saying the same thing is silly for some, but not for others.

Fred
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on March 30, 2018, 01:13:24 PM
Fred, calm down, it’s not an attack towards you.
We’re only discussing keyboard size and weight

I think Genos is a great keyboard but we all have different needs

If you had to transport you keyboard and gear to gigs and have to sometimes carry upstairs or unload in rain or snow or sometimes late for a gig and have to rush around, it’s the last thing you want is an unmanageable bulk just for the sake of an octave more of which 90% of members here never touch anyway.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on March 30, 2018, 03:16:20 PM
So you’re saying the same things as others — when a new 61-key keyboard comes out, it will have a different name, like PSR — but when other people say it, it’s “silly”?

I don’t understand how saying the same thing is silly for some, but not for others.

Fred

Some people are too fixed in their thinking.  We are just discussing ideas here.  We all have a right to our opinions.

I personally would like to see a 61 note keyboard with some of the Genos features including no built-in speakers. Maybe it will be named something other than a PSR.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: ash1 on March 30, 2018, 07:45:59 PM
i think its all about choice if the sales of the Genos are as good as people say they are then why not throw a 61 key Genos into the mix
to cater for the people who have always used a 61 key arranger
and would then go out and buy a Genos it makes perfect sense
when all is said and done it doesnt matter if its a 76 or a 61 key Genos

the main thing is we enjoy our arrangers no matter what kind we have
life is to short to argue about such trivia  ;D

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on March 30, 2018, 07:52:20 PM
Well as I always say, time will tell. Up untill now I have always had 61 note keyboards and mainly for the reason that they were easier to carry around, but with Genos it is not a big brute and is lighter than Tyros also more slenda and not much longer than Tyros 5 so why not have the advantage of those extra keys.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: soryt on March 30, 2018, 08:10:08 PM
In the period that the genos was brought onto the market I was assured that absolutely no 61 keys would be made, therefore I sold my handmade flight case (very light weight) for the Tyros 5 (61). I am very satisfied With the sound of the Genos, I still preferred a keyboard with 61 keys, much more handy, lighter and easier to place. If Yamaha bring out a 61 keys version, they have deceived a lot of customers, and I can not see that happening.

Soryt  :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pianoman on March 30, 2018, 08:51:51 PM
It is very important when having a discussion, to know whether another member, when posting,
is standing in your corner, or Yamaha's corner.

It is not helpful that in many discussions, there are some (who may have a vested interest in
promoting the Genos in it's current form on Yamaha's behalf) that might try to stifle any
criticism about present Yamaha products, as well as speculation about future
Yamaha products.

While one may use discreet language in this endeavour, the other usually will react with the
subtlety of a sledgehammer. But the pattern, predictably, always remains the same.

It makes some responses appear suspect, because one doesn't know whether they're
posted in the spirit of good fellowship, or posted to promote the interests of Yamaha.

All in all, it makes open minded discussion somewhat difficult.

Best Regards.
Abby.

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mcbrown on March 30, 2018, 09:29:37 PM
I had a Tyros 5 76 which I loved for its 76 keys, but found it to be very heavy for transporting and trying to fit into my SUV. As I've got older I am very conscious of looking after my back, particularly as I have hurt myself several times in my profession as a nurse. When I saw the pending release of a new top of the line "name unknown" keyboard coming to replace the Tyros I thought I would go back to 61 keys just to cut down on the weight, although I would miss the 76 keys.

Then I heard the Genos was only going to be a 76 keys model. Feeling rather disappointed with Yamahas decision to do this I was considering trading my 76 for a 61 Tyros.

The Genos had finally arrived at my local Yamaha store in early November 2017 so I went in for a look and listen. I immediately loved the sound and feel of the keyboard. I asked the store owner if I could pick it up to test the weight and with his approval, I could feel a definite reduction in the weight and bulk feel of the Genos. I went back home and packed up the T5 76 and returned to claim my Genos.

This was my experience and I have no regrets regarding my purchase of the Genos. I am not a power player or professional keyboardist as I'm actually a guitar player for the last 50 yrs. I do appreciate fine quality sounding instruments whether they be guitars or keyboards etc.

Murray
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lloyd E on March 30, 2018, 09:52:16 PM

Genos will never make a 61 note keyboard. Other models have 6l note keyboards, buy one of them .   Lloyd
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on March 30, 2018, 11:31:51 PM
Well Abby,
   If you purchase a keyboard and you are very happy with it then I think most will mention the manufacturer
If you need to get in touch with the support team and they fall over backwards to help you, you are going to mention that to. Where is the problem in that. If you take an over all view Genos is by far the best keyboard from Yamaha so far and for that I give praise.
  I have been very dissapointed by the way some members have slated this keyboard without even owning it and insinuating we must have been mad to buy it but they were quick enough to ask us for the new styles and Multi pads off of it. 
  Every day you hear of people taking delivery of there's so they can't be that bad.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on March 31, 2018, 12:11:21 AM
Eileen,
I don’t think anyone has been slagging it off
I think Genos is a great keyboard

It just does not have some necessary tools like a real sequencer, chord sequencer, easy connection to Cubase or any DAW, midi to style, style editor etc. that we need.
We just think that Yamaha has had 15 to 20 years to sort these things out but alas only voice improvements and a touch screen in a different case.

Enjoy what your playing 🎹
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: tyrosman on March 31, 2018, 01:18:09 AM
Well as I always say, time will tell. Up untill now I have always had 61 note keyboards and mainly for the reason that they were easier to carry around, but with Genos it is not a big brute and is lighter than Tyros also more slenda and not much longer than Tyros 5 so why not have the advantage of those extra keys.
    well said Eileen I cant wait to get mine :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: tyrosman on March 31, 2018, 01:28:17 AM
Well Abby,
   If you purchase a keyboard and you are very happy with it then I think most will mention the manufacturer
If you need to get in touch with the support team and they fall over backwards to help you, you are going to mention that to. Where is the problem in that. If you take an over all view Genos is by far the best keyboard from Yamaha so far and for that I give praise.
  I have been very dissapointed by the way some members have slated this keyboard without even owning it and insinuating we must have been mad to buy it but they were quick enough to ask us for the new styles and Multi pads off of it. 
  Every day you hear of people taking delivery of there's so they can't be that bad.  very well said Eileen :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: valimaties on March 31, 2018, 01:29:16 AM
I think it is coming too. 76 keys are too many for an arranger.  ;)

No, are not, Drake ;) You can make a lot of things, in style creator, in Split Point options, etc... 76 definitely better that 61, ever.

And it is not a big keyboard, Pino
T5-61=1140 mm and Genos-76 = 1234 mm (G > 94 mm)
T5-76=1347 mm and Genos-76 = 1234 mm (G < 113 mm)

Regards,
Vali
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on March 31, 2018, 03:44:11 AM
So... we have different opinions, interests and likes/dislikes.  What else is new?

Let's still be friends!

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mikf on March 31, 2018, 04:04:15 AM
If Yanaha made a 61 key version of Tyros but the price was exactly the same as the 76 key version, how many people would choose it. Not many I suspect.
And I am not sure they could even do it now for the same price, it would probably cost more due to re-tooling for a much smaller production run. That would make no sense.
Mike
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Ingar on March 31, 2018, 04:04:50 AM
Quote from Synthzone
In a few weeks at musikmesse we will see a 61 version of the Genos..
Thats a rumour coming from Germany..


My dealer has said this all along

And why shouldn’t there be a 61

When Ford make a car they make a salon, a coupe, a hatchback
There have to modify some part but if there is a market then they
go for it. It’s about making money.

Pino

Well, if Genos is supposed to be a follow-up to Tyros 5, which is made in both 61 and 72 versions, I find it natural that Genos also comes in the same format.

Regards Ingar
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mikf on March 31, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
Pino - that’s the point, it is about making money. When car companies make smaller selling variants on main models they often charge higher prices even where arguably you are actually getting ‘less car’. Yamaha have concluded that all other things being equal (including price) the vast majority of buyers will choose 76 keys over 61. So the only way to make money on a variant would be to charge more than the standard. If the 76 key was $4000 and the 61 key $5000, then who would buy it?
Mike
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on March 31, 2018, 07:08:11 AM
I don't think Genos is a follow up to any keyboard. It is a completely new concept. Out of the hundreds that have been sold most are happy with 76 notes.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on March 31, 2018, 08:27:17 AM
I don't think Genos is a follow up to any keyboard. It is a completely new concept...

Oh?... It's still an arranger with new features that Yamaha got its ideas for right here on this forum.  It's just a new an improved arranger that's all.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mcbrown on March 31, 2018, 05:36:37 PM
If you intend to buy a car, keyboard, boat, house or whatever, surely you do your research to see if the item meets your requirements. When outlaying a lot of money for something I spend several weeks and many hours per day researching my potential purchase by downloading spec sheets and any other information I could find on the net etc. Then again I'm the sort of person who reads the Owners Manuals from cover to cover when I buy new products. That's just who I am (my family and friends laugh at this).

To go out and buy something and then complain that it doesn't do what you want or in the way you think it should then you and you alone are responsible for your purchase and not the manufacturer. If the item doesn't meet your needs then keep looking. If you are looking for the keyboard that does everything you want in the way you want then good luck with that because it doesn't exist and probably never will. If the keyboard doesn't do what you want or the step process is not to your liking, yes there may be some software updates / bug fixes that may give you what you want and then again may be not. Do you take that risk?

There have been comments about the price of Genos on other posts and I myself payed $1000 more for the Genos than my T5 76 new. I still think I got good value for my money as things go up over time due to cost of living etc. I bought the Genos because it was lighter and less bulky than my T5 76 and the sounds I believed were a step or two up from the T5. I'm very happy with my new keyboard and will I upgrade to the G2 when it comes out in the future, I don't know. I'm just appreciating what I have and thank you Yamaha for producing this amazing instrument.

Murray
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on March 31, 2018, 07:25:04 PM
 :o ::) ??? :-[

Talking about prices .....
If price level mirror antyhing about the product, this should say something about it.
Snapshot of todays advert at one of the largest dealers in Norway 2018.03.31 :
Edit: 'Normal' price for Genos is now NOK 38.990,- at most all dealers that sell this brand.




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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on March 31, 2018, 08:11:00 PM
Well said Murray,
  I agree with every word. Personally I prefer to explore the keyboard and see what all the functions do rather than read manuals. I find that I remember things better this way. Genos is a fine keyboard and if I am still around will defiantly have Genos 2
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mcbrown on March 31, 2018, 08:44:35 PM
Yes Eileen, I did go and play it for a couple of hours to explore the menus and check out the touch screen. I also watched the dealer play as he is a far better player than myself. I then went home and packed up the T5 to pickup my new Genos.

Murray
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on March 31, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
Eileen,
I Wish you many more years of health and happy music

I have a question for you Eileen, Murray or anybody

I have many students of all ages

I have a 7 year old girl student
She’s learnt the chords of a song C F G
She’s learnt the right hand
Now she is so excited to record the song (Quick Record)
and put on Facebook and send to her friends.

Timing of Her left hand chords is not 100%

Can you quantise the chord track post recording on Genos?

Quantise (Genos Manual)
The Quantize function allows you to align the timing of all the notes in a channel. For example, if you record the musical phrase shown below, you may not play it with absolute precision, and your performance may have been slightly ahead of or behind the precise timing. Quantize is a convenient way of correcting for this.

It’s not very clear in the Genos manual

Can you quantise the chord track post recording on Genos?
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 06, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
......... but with Genos it is not a big brute and is lighter than Tyros also more slenda and not much longer than Tyros 5 so why not have the advantage of those extra keys.

Once again: THANKS.   If you and me - let me call us octogenarians, no insult intended, just the sad truth  -  can handle the Genos  I feel it is has a good format and weight.

We all have our preferences, I for instance dislike everything going black, be it PCs,  printers, or PC keyboards or music keyboards and would have preferred the Tyros finish which unexpectedly stood up for years without a visible scratch. But marketing MUST cater to the whims of the consumer fashion buffs.  We got rid of silly chrome reflecting the sun inside  our cars, now it is  back. Two color cars and white sided tyres will one day come back just like discontinued cabriolet did.
I am a little confused as to what to put into what thread. May I ask you just an easy question once I am writing ?   
You split the right hand keyboard, have piano on the lower and baritone sax on the upper half. The nice thing is yo can get the octave correct and everything saved in the registry.  If you activate voice harmony, it affects both so you have to use a foot switch to turn it off when going to the baritone, which is OK when you sit, but when you stand  and move while you play, you easily miss that foot switch especially if you have no feeling in your feet like me (polyneuropathy.)  Is there a way to make the vocal harmony "partition - or voice specific" ?  On Tyros the harmony was voice-specific  (sometimes annoying) but if I remember correctly I could also override the default for above splitting.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 06, 2018, 08:18:32 PM
Kaarlo
The good thing about Registration is that you can save the settings of your keyboard.
Go to the Mixer Console and edit the Vol/Voice - Filter - Tune - Effect - EQ’s - Harmony
Save your settings to Registration
Pino

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mikf on April 07, 2018, 05:51:40 AM
I think I am kind of the opposite of Murray, because the way I see it there is a pretty small list of realistic contenders for many things. Certainly true for TOTL arrangers where there is probably a realistic choice of two brands, and it would take an awful lot to persuade me to change brands. So I don't see a lot of point agonizing over every feature. Especially after its bought! Once I get it I make the best music I can on it rather than worry about whether it has more DSPs than anyone else or a bigger range of compressor settings. The last keyboard I bought was because I wanted an 88 key arranger, and that basically cut the real choices to one. :D
Mike 
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 07, 2018, 03:41:38 PM
Hi All,
     Let us not hijack this thread. "Come soon Genos 61 "I'm anxiously waiting to buy Genos 61 keyboard, as i never played any Tyros keyboard more than 61 note on the stage. The 61 note keyboard is convenient for me. If you have any news about upcoming Genos 61 keyboard.Please share.

Thanks,
Sunny
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 07, 2018, 04:34:29 PM
Hi Sunny
Someone said that there may be some new from Musikmesse next week

Let’s wait and see,

Pino
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 07, 2018, 04:37:21 PM
Hi Pino,
       The Musikmesse 2018 show is only 4 days ahead(11-14th April).

Sunny.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: ash1 on April 07, 2018, 08:37:22 PM
https://www.allegromusic.co.uk/yamaha-genos-61-note-version/
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on April 07, 2018, 09:06:45 PM
https://www.allegromusic.co.uk/yamaha-genos-61-note-version/

And here is whats written at the page:
"Take a look at our dimensions comparison chart and you will be pleasantly surprised to see that whilst there isn't a 61 note version of Genos, the 76 note is almost the same dimensions a Tyros 5 61, in old money just over 3 inches longer!"

Model   Width   Height   Depth
Genos   1234mm   138mm   456mm
Tyros 5 61   1140mm   142mm   450mm
Tyros 5 76   1347mm   142mm   450mm

Does this text say there is any 61 key on the way?
Nope, don't think so, it only say the 76 keys measurements is not much more than a 61.
I'm pretty sure there would be some leaks by now if a 61 keys G was on the way.........   8)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Fred Smith on April 07, 2018, 09:35:45 PM
Hi All,
     Let us not hijack this thread. "Come soon Genos 61 "I'm anxiously waiting to buy Genos 61 keyboard, as i never played any Tyros keyboard more than 61 note on the stage. The 61 note keyboard is convenient for me. If you have any news about upcoming Genos 61 keyboard.Please share.

There won’t ever be a 61-key a Genos, but there will be new keyboards is the PSR line with Genos features. You’ll just have to decide which is more important to you.

Fred
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 07, 2018, 10:38:04 PM
I am with Fred,
  I had never played a 76 note keyboard before Genos. Despite the extra keys it is not as large as you may think and it is lighter than Tyros.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mikf on April 07, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
It’s obvious that Yamaha have decided that the vast majority of buyers willing to shell out for their most expensive arranger prefer at least 76 keys as long as weight and size don’t get too bad. There may be some who prefer 61 keys, but insufficient to make it economic to offer a 61 key Genos. So the answer to this thread is - if 61 keys is your most important decision driver, your choice is not going to be the Genos.
Yamaha’s price driven arrangers will probably always offer the smaller keyboard, although with the success of 76 key arrangers my gues is they might be much more likely to offer a 76 key mid range arranger at some point than a 61 key TOTL arranger.
Mike
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mrdave on April 08, 2018, 12:36:56 AM
I always prefered 76 key keyboards, since my Roland G-800.... never bought Tyros models because they were only 61 key, when T5-76 arrived I was tempted to get it, but I had already changed my old Korg Pa2x for the Pa3x some months before... but when Pa4x came out, I prefered to wait for next Yamaha and got the Genos, which I like a lot.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 08, 2018, 01:27:42 AM
This topic of 61 vs. 76 keys has been hash over to death.  Isn't it just a matter of personal preference?  Can't we just let the issue rest? This forum is supposed to be about helping each other learn how to get the most out of our arrangers and not debating personal likes and dislikes or trying to convince others to accept our own personal preferences about what is useful and what is not so useful.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 08, 2018, 02:54:27 AM
   why shouldn’t there be a Genos 61 version ?

Sunny
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on April 08, 2018, 04:33:52 AM
I believe I can sum up all the theories:

The Genos will remain as a single issue at 76 keys. If a smaller version is produced (and it is likely), it will be 61 keys, have the same sound engine, less features (just like a full Tyros vs. its PSR equivalent), and be call the PSR...

Case closed? I agree with Joe. Let's move on to the stuff we can't figure out :).
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on April 08, 2018, 06:25:21 AM
This topic of 61 vs. 76 keys has been hash over to death.  Isn't it just a matter of personal preference?  Can't we just let the issue rest? This forum is supposed to be about helping each other learn how to get the most out of our arrangers and not debating personal likes and dislikes or trying to convince others to accept our own personal preferences about what is useful and what is not so useful.

Joe H

I think a quote from yourself in a post earlier in this very thread should be a good reply to this:

...... We are just discussing ideas here.  We all have a right to our opinions.

 :o
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: stephenm52 on April 08, 2018, 06:50:47 AM
I don't have a crystal ball so I won't predict 61 keys or not, but I've heard from a reliable source that he has sold more Genos than any other arranger keyboard that was marketed by any company.  I also understand a close 2nd could be the s970 but that's at a third of the price that would make sense.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 08, 2018, 07:05:35 AM
Sure there will be a Genos Baby Brother out in around eighteen months time. Possibly PSR1000
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: travlin-easy on April 08, 2018, 08:46:16 AM
Sure there will be a Genos Baby Brother out in around eighteen months time. Possibly PSR1000

They already have a PSR-1000, but not a PSR-S-1000, which would be the next logical step. ;)

All the best,

Gary 8)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 08, 2018, 09:28:08 AM
In order to have a 61 keys arranger with those 9 sliders and 6 knobs Yamaha would have to do away with the on-board speakers.  So it wouldn't be called a PSR but rather some new model.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 08, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
I’m sure some of Yamaha’s sales is due to the excellent after sales support from PSR Tutorials,

Maybe they should support us more directly here or pay some of the bills,

Pino
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: MarcusAhlback on April 08, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
Hi all,
Maybe we sould settle for that the next Genos will have (61+76)/2=68.5 keys?  8)
Kind regards Marcus
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 08, 2018, 08:04:08 PM
Well said Murray,
  I agree with every word. Personally I prefer to explore the keyboard and see what all the functions do rather than read manuals. I find that I remember things better this way. Genos is a fine keyboard and if I am still around will defiantly  :)have Genos 2
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Eileen,  I love reading your posts, they are just such nice reading. Maybe  being the same age has something to do with it.

By the way, did you get the registrations from me that you and Fred  requested me to send in order to be able to look into my reg memory problems ?

Enslosed in WAW part of what I always begin my gigs with.

Cheers

Kaarlo

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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 08, 2018, 08:14:32 PM
The sales of Genos have been so good because the product is so good and the after sales are always excellent
  Nothing at all to do with forums. If they had looked in on some of the threads on here they would not have taken kindly to all the Genos bashing that went on earlier. Yamaha will always respond to direct contact but not on forums. This is how it has always been.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 08, 2018, 08:19:16 PM
Yes Kaarlo, I did try your registration banks and reply on that thread. Without knowing exactly what you wanted set into each button I could not set anything up for you.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 08, 2018, 11:07:49 PM
I’m sure some of Yamaha’s sales is due to the excellent after sales support from PSR Tutorials,

Maybe they should support us more directly here or pay some of the bills,

Pino

That's not going to happen.  While Yamaha has a synth forum, I doubt that they will ever have something similar for arrangers.  They read this forum and get ideas (for free) on what features to include in the next arranger model.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Toril S on April 08, 2018, 11:52:18 PM
A 61 note Genos will be almost as light as the PSRs. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 09, 2018, 12:43:52 AM
Eileen, if you tell me that I do not need to use StyleMagic to edit the styles on Genos and I can have easy access to (Yamaha) Cubase then I will go out and buy a Genos tomorrow,
please confirm,
thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Fred Smith on April 09, 2018, 12:47:02 AM
A 61 note Genos will be almost as light as the PSRs. Fantastic.

It will be as light as a PSR because it will be a PSR.

Fred
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 09, 2018, 01:33:43 AM
StyleMagic is an excellent style editor that offers support for Genos. We don't need ANY software to edit any arranger files.

Joe H

Joe, why would you be thinking that then?
We have to buy additional software to edit styles after paying $6000
If I want to change the volume 90 on the bass on VarA to 95 on VarB
Do I need to upload the style to an external app?
I thought this was an arranger keyboard?
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Fred Smith on April 09, 2018, 01:39:56 AM
If I want to change the volume 90 on the bass on VarA to 95 on VarB

You can do that on the keyboard itself. Just use Style Creator.

Fred
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 09, 2018, 03:08:22 AM
You can do that on the keyboard itself. Just use Style Creator.

Fred

Fred, I am an OTS User, my registrations hold 8 different songs
Press a Registrations and that gives me a new style and 4 OTS to my style
Saving style edits to Registrations is easier but I edit styles.

I normally use StyleMagic for all my style editing, it’s easier.
But on that occasion where I just need to tweak the volume of a track slightly
Then style creator would be easier, You can change a lot in style Creator
But where to change the volume of bass VarA 80 to Bass VarB to 90
I’m looking in the edit window and using the filter and I can only see
011 expression, where is the volume?

Can you run through it on your Genos.?
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Fred Smith on April 09, 2018, 03:49:07 AM
Can you run through it on your Genos.?

I wouldn't have a clue as to where to start to look, Pino. All I know is you can use Style Creator on the keyboard, which is what you asked about.

Fred
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 09, 2018, 03:58:53 AM
Joe, why would you be thinking that then?
We have to buy additional software to edit styles after paying $6000
If I want to change the volume 90 on the bass on VarA to 95 on VarB
Do I need to upload the style to an external app?
I thought this was an arranger keyboard?

It's not fare to edit the quote of someone to make an unreasonable argument.  You left out the "but" part in which I stated that you can do so much more with software on the computer.  You CAN edit any file on the keyboard (the simple stuff as you mention)... BUT we can do much more with PC-based software.

Do you understand?

 ;)

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 09, 2018, 05:03:29 AM
Fred, I am an OTS User, my registrations hold 8 different songs
Press a Registrations and that gives me a new style and 4 OTS to my style
Saving style edits to Registrations is easier but I edit styles.

I normally use StyleMagic for all my style editing, it’s easier.
But on that occasion where I just need to tweak the volume of a track slightly
Then style creator would be easier, You can change a lot in style Creator
But where to change the volume of bass VarA 80 to Bass VarB to 90
I’m looking in the edit window and using the filter and I can only see
011 expression, where is the volume?

Can you run through it on your Genos.?

If I understand your question right what you want to do is  edit styles like for instance make some instrument louder in variatio B compared to variation A.  I am doing that all the time in the style creator on my Genos. (I change volume and instruments in most every intro)  So  if I understood your problem correctly  (I am not sure I did) please just send me an e-mail to  v.freymann@welho.com saying yes and I will explain how to do it, or even better send your telephone number and I will lead you  step by step sitting at the Genos with you on the phone. It seems I have difficulty navigating on this huge site with so many threads. If you want me to do the explanation on this site, please mail me where I should go.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: jwyvern on April 09, 2018, 05:27:40 AM
Quoting Pino,
"But where to change the volume of bass VarA 80 to Bass VarB to 90
I’m looking in the edit window and using the filter and I can only see
011 expression, where is the volume?"
Filter? You seem to be looking in the wrong place. With  style creator loaded (from main menu) choose the Variation required then go to Mixer (direct access followed by Ending 1 or 2 button) and tap the Style1 page. Then if necessary at left choose Pan/volume. Change the volumes of chosen instruments then exit back to Style Creator, repeat for other Variations then touch Save.

John
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 09, 2018, 06:21:09 AM
Pino,

With StyleMagic I edit the Note Velocities to change the volumes on style Parts or whole Sections.  It can be done with Expression too, but if you want to increase the Volume and CC11 is at a value of 127, then the only way to get the part louder is to increase the Note Velocity of all notes.  Editing Note Velocity in StyleMagic is very easy to do.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: panos on April 09, 2018, 06:38:41 AM
Is n't this work like the other keyboards? First press play to hear the style in style creator and then go to mixer to change whatever you want to the specific variation you have choose. if you don't press the play button the changes will apply to all mains/fills/intros/endings.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 09, 2018, 08:58:33 AM
Is n't this work like the other keyboards? First press play to hear the style in style creator and then go to mixer to change whatever you want to the specific variation you have choose. if you don't press the play button the changes will apply to all mains/fills/intros/endings.

Yes that is correct.  If you want to edit a particular Section, you must select that Section using the Style Controls then edit the Section and SAVE.  The result will be that you changed the Volume on the specific Section ONLY.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 09, 2018, 11:51:54 AM
My preferred way to edit styles has been on StyleMagic,
Easy for swapping style parts around, deleting and editing instrument, vols, etc
The UI is nice to work with.

But there are occasions that I haven’t got my laptop with me
Then I’m back to Style Creator for a few tweaks here and there.

The question.
Why do we need to go back to the Mixer when we have a very easy edit window in Style Creator?

Pino


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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 09, 2018, 12:38:52 PM
I don't have a Genos so I can't address your question directly.  I don't see a CC07 but looks like you can Insert one if you wanted to.  The way to do that is select CC11 and then INSERT... then change the CC to 07.   I don't see any Note Data in the screen shot.

It's possible that you don't have to select the Section you wish to edit and then go to the Mixing Console to do the editing. That screen looks different than the PSRs and maybe the Tyros as well.

What have you tried to do so far?

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 09, 2018, 01:28:10 PM
I’ve done the ‘insert’ bit
You cannot enter CC7 for some reason
It jumps from 1 to 10
That’s ok, it’s an easy window if it would work,

I haven’t a Genos either, yet
It would be interesting to know if Yamaha has introduces a new style editing app for Genos
Or is it the same old 20 year old app with new colours?
Maybe a Genos owner can fill us in  :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: jwyvern on April 10, 2018, 01:46:38 AM
I’ve done the ‘insert’ bit
You cannot enter CC7 for some reason
It jumps from 1 to 10
That’s ok, it’s an easy window if it would work


Even the channels on existing styles I've looked at do not show controllers between 1 and 10 in the step record screens.
11 shows but on the ones I have seen it is at maximum, 127.  7 does not appear to be used (within those screens,  maybe it is a separate controller for each channel but set somewhere else?)
John
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: mikf on April 10, 2018, 04:00:10 AM
I need to look, but I would expect Genos to work similar to the recent Clavinova models.
Mike
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: panos on April 10, 2018, 04:40:56 AM
...............
The question.
Why do we need to go back to the Mixer when we have a very easy edit window in Style Creator?

Pino
Pino,I use this method for some reasons.
a) Many times the parts of a style are locked so if you go to edit menu you can edit just rhythm1 & rhythm2 parts and not other parts.
(stylemagic can unlock all parts likely on a computer)
b) Too many code numbers on Edit menu that you have to know what all those codes mean before you edit the right one.
c) If there is a volume/equalization/effect thing to edit,I prefer to listen to the part of the style while I apply the changes to it.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on April 12, 2018, 07:35:37 AM
As many of us suspected, there is no Genos 61 in sight so far ......

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/contents/musikmesse/products.html#ArrangerWorkstation (https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/contents/musikmesse/products.html#ArrangerWorkstation)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 12, 2018, 11:41:20 AM
As many of us suspected, there is no Genos 61 in sight so far ......

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/contents/musikmesse/products.html#ArrangerWorkstation (https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/contents/musikmesse/products.html#ArrangerWorkstation)

It's way too early.  Yamaha just released the PSR S975.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: DerekA on April 12, 2018, 04:51:47 PM
It's way too early.  Yamaha just released the PSR S975.

Very true - but the OP said a he'd heard it would be unveiled at this weeks Musikmesse.

It wasn't.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 12, 2018, 05:25:46 PM
Quote from Synthzone
In a few weeks at musikmesse we will see a 61 version of the Genos..
Thats a rumour coming from Germany..

The Op said,   :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 12, 2018, 05:43:31 PM
No problem to wait, meanwhile, we have other great keyboards,

The Genos can be a killer keyboard in the right hands
But so is the S970.

I have been a Yamaha player since Technics stopped
Recently I have been using my other system on occasions.
I bought it to beef up the voices on the S970
It’s weighs 3 kilos and costs 30% less than a S975
It works great as an arranger and sounds really good.

Take a listen

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say


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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 12, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
Yes the 970 is a very good keyboard but the keybed is not good and can be noisy if playing quietly. 
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 13, 2018, 12:20:46 AM
But The buttons are very quiet on PSR
If I have an open microphone with Tyros then I have problems
Very noisy clicks, PSR so much better.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 13, 2018, 12:29:31 AM
Genos touch screen ever quieter.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 13, 2018, 12:39:21 AM
What other keyboard has hard noisy buttons
Korg - Ketron - Roland?
If I rehearsing late at night wakes my children up.

Yes, the touch screen is better
But I have touch screens for many years.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: hans1966 on April 13, 2018, 03:03:12 AM
No problem to wait, meanwhile, we have other great keyboards,

The Genos can be a killer keyboard in the right hands
But so is the S970.

I have been a Yamaha player since Technics stopped
Recently I have been using my other system on occasions.
I bought it to beef up the voices on the S970
It’s weighs 3 kilos and costs 30% less than a S975
It works great as an arranger and sounds really good.

Take a listen

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say

Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: KeyboardByBiggs on April 13, 2018, 08:44:21 AM
Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

Between $1800 and $2000 from what I see online.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: hans1966 on April 13, 2018, 11:51:29 AM
Hi KeyboardByBiggs, thanks for your answer. greetings Hans
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 14, 2018, 03:03:43 AM
Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say

WOW ! I am not sure I understood which instrument generated that fantastic sounding short audio. Was it the 970 or the Ketron ? Please specify.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: hans1966 on April 14, 2018, 07:58:23 AM
Hello Karlo, I think Pino refers to the Ketron / S970 combination, since he says he uses the Ketron Module to reinforce the voices of the S970. greetings Hans
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 14, 2018, 12:14:21 PM
That was the Ketron SD40 demo
It’s a full rich sound and the styles have a very ‘live sound’

Similar to the Technics sound of many years ago,

I love the Yamaha styles but some of the lead voices are on the thin side.
That’s the reason I bought the SD40 for the right hand voices

I’ve had so much fun with it as an arranger, easy to connet any controller from 49 to 88 piano. the touch screen works flawlessly and it’s only 2kilos.

I haven’t used it with my S970 yet
That’s my next project starting next week ‘ midi to S970’ time permitting.
I will report back on how it hooks up,

Pino

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: hans1966 on April 14, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
Thank you very much Pino, for clarifying that it was what we were listening to in your Demo. greetings Hans
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 14, 2018, 07:09:26 PM
That was the Ketron SD40 demo
It’s a full rich sound and the styles have a very ‘live sound’

Similar to the Technics sound of many years ago .......

I’ve had so much fun with it as an arranger, easy to connet any controller from 49 to 88 piano. the touch screen works flawlessly and it’s only 2kilos.....

I will report back on how it hooks up,

Pino

Hi Pino,
thanks for the "update" on the  Ketron SD40 demo    The  the sax was  so realistic  it made me feel it was not done just by playing  keyboard keys.  Having been a sax player for 20 years long ago I do appreciate the after-touch, the new possibilities with the Genos pitch bender and the 3 buttons. They do make saxes more realistic,  but what I heard on your SD40 demo ( 4 times !)  :) could only be a real sax or an expert manipulation on a PC by the creator just as on the Yamaha intros and endings.

I also loved the base. These are the moments you realize that in spite of all the great improvement in keyboards over the years  it is still easy to realize, what you are hearing is just a keyboard being played,  not the real thing.
Like you I feel there were things on the Technics 6000 that would have been worth copying like the "call up function" you could buy from a Swiss creator. You only had to write "In the.." and the midi file "In the mood"  was there. I also loved  the easy midi file tweaking and style creation. Genos has this nice  loop function, but now that the delete function in case you made a mistake has been removed (was there in 1.10)  I have had difficulties.  I do the prolonging on Midifile Optimizer, but that does not give you the option of using the loop or not which Genos gives you. But maybe there is a way to get the points correctly easily ans I just have not understood that.
On Yamaha models  the Intros and Endings have become so well done that you may for a moment be fooled. But then when you hear a style that is only 2 bars long you know what you are hearing.  :)  As I know absolutely nothing about to-day's  hip hop and heavy metal it might be that in that department it makes no difference, but in Jazz, be it combo or big band 2 bars are an insult to my old ears. Fortunately there are quite a few 4 bar long styles but already on the 5700 I still have there were 8 bar long styles. I believe there is a way to create such styles on the Genos from existing styles but so far I have not been able to do it. Am waiting for a thread in that direction. Or maybe better make a thread.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: arvacon on April 17, 2018, 10:32:43 PM
Possibly fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=696ib_zZqwg&feature=em-uploademail (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=696ib_zZqwg&feature=em-uploademail)

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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 17, 2018, 10:48:46 PM
If it’s a fake then it’s a well put together fake,

That would be perfect for my needs,

Anyone else in for a 61? 🤔
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: arvacon on April 17, 2018, 11:01:57 PM
If this is not fake, then Yamaha has to consider about firing the designer..
The left side looks like a mess!
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 17, 2018, 11:19:19 PM
It does look a little tight up to the left side   :o
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: pjd on April 18, 2018, 02:31:23 AM
It does look a little tight up to the left side   :o

And it has a two-tone color mismatch running down the left hand side. Genos-76 is seamless. Clearly, 'shopped.

-- pj
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: arvacon on April 18, 2018, 03:17:56 AM
And it has a two-tone color mismatch running down the left hand side. Genos-76 is seamless. Clearly, 'shopped.

-- pj

That two tone color mismatch was my fault, as I took the screenshot during the next image transition at the YouTube video. Here it is a better one.

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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Bernie9 on April 19, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
Just to add one more vote for the 76 keys.  I have been a gigging musician for fifty years, and up until a few years ago always used a 61.  I am not a piano player, so don't have to have a larger keybed, but the extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back.  I am 77 and set in my ways, but this was a very easy change.  For what it's worth.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 19, 2018, 07:01:29 PM
Hi Bernie,
  Like you I am set in my ways but at 82 next week I am loving having those extra notes and I am not a pianist but like using three way split at times and now have more notes to do it with. weight is also not a problem as the keyboard is not as heavy as Tyros range.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: terryB on April 19, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
Hi Eileen, what is your split points for a 3 way keyboard split ?

Cheers
Terry
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 19, 2018, 08:30:55 PM
I use mine F#2 F#2 F5. I have the voice I want to solo set to right three and adjust the octave.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 20, 2018, 02:22:34 AM
Hi friends,
            Is this video real about Genos 61 ? If yes,i am ready to buy one.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06R6am4g0Q

Sunny
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 20, 2018, 02:29:07 AM
Just to add one more vote for the 76 keys.  I have been a gigging musician for fifty years, and up until a few years ago always used a 61.  I am not a piano player, so don't have to have a larger keybed, but the extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back.  I am 77 and set in my ways, but this was a very easy change.  For what it's worth.

How right you are.  I realize there seem to be a lot of   senior  players  on this site.  I switched to T5/6 I believe at 77 and felt just like you. "The extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back." And being able to split, being able to have piano with harmony on the lower end and sax without it on the upper end reminds me of the time when we used electronic organs with 2 keyboards.  (some even preferred to play the base themselves instead of the automatic base)  I will never forget the moment I unpacked the Lowrey MX1 in the eighties. But you needed  4 people and a lift to get into a van.  And more gigs than I got to recoup the hefty price. In to-days money over 60.000 $.  Genos of course does not have 12 speakers and the cabinet, but still at less than 1/10 of the price it is a bargain. And as a fact the material for example of the keys i excellent. I know because whenever I bought the next Tyros  I removed the keys from the previous model and inserted them into the new one because I weighted them due to arthritis in my hands.  Fortunately YAMAHA has not changed the keys, they are now on the Genos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWCDk2ZygQc    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeuLD-yHjJ4

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on April 20, 2018, 02:37:46 AM
Hi friends,
            Is this video real about Genos 61 ? If yes,i am ready to buy one.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06R6am4g0Q

Sunny

Fake news if anybody ask me, but it collect cliks to the posted video.  ???
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: tyrosman on April 20, 2018, 03:22:47 AM
very Fake news it will Never Happen >:(
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: panos on April 20, 2018, 05:03:02 AM
I would add some graphics to the beginning of that video the way Genos is moving around.
Maybe a sea,some waves,followed by smaller pictures of s775/975 and EW410...
The new flagship of Yamaha keyboards is coming! ;D
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Toril S on April 20, 2018, 06:19:21 AM
Why not? They made a Tyros 61, so why not a Genos 61 as well? Time will tell :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 20, 2018, 11:12:46 AM
Eventhough I prefere the buttons on the PSR’s
I probably would buy one for the improvement in the sound department.

To me, an arranger keyboard is about styles, period.
If I was into playing/editing midi files then I would choose totally different equipment.

Most of the style editing stuff on the Genos is the same as all the other Yamaha keyboards from the past 20 years, I wouldn’t be buying for that reason, we still cannot easily import a ‘song intro’,  style editing on board is clumbersome, connecting to a DAW is not easy and even though it’s an ‘arranger keyboard’ Yamaha does not want to give us the tools to edit our styles, Yamaha Musicsoft has put a stop to that cos they want to make money from us also, but it’s a fresh new keyboard.

Yamaha could have done a much better job in the editing department for this new range of keyboards that will probably be around for the next 15 years, but it is what it is.

If Yamaha would make a 61 then I probably would go for it.  :)

Pino
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 21, 2018, 12:13:46 AM
Ok Guys
Just to show you that it’s not just
"talk the talk" sometimes we have to "walk the walk"

I’ve picked the hardest style that you would ever play on the keyboard
No timing, no chord track, no sheets, no edits, just sit down and play.
It’s a one shot take so the balance is way out.
an a 10 year old PSR.
How much better would the Drums be on Genos?

Pino

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Aukmf6F7rNaZmGh2hIBoNBO9ZBkL

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 21, 2018, 01:13:19 AM
Hi Friends,
           Whether this picture real or fake, but wan't to buy Genos 61-note keyboard.

Sunny

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Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on April 21, 2018, 01:35:40 AM
Very nicely played, Pino! To answer your question, sit down and play the exact same tune on a Genos. You'll be blown away - especially when you play that well :)! The older PSRs sound great until you hear the Genos.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 21, 2018, 01:38:08 AM
It's fake for sure.  That guy does this all the time.  He is very good at graphics manipulation.  He had created a Tyros 6 a couple of years ago with some of his own add-ons...  He's just trying to get some attention and maybe make a few dollars at the same time.

Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Joe H on April 21, 2018, 01:42:50 AM
Pino.

You demonstrate..."It's not what you got, but how you use it"

Very nice playing.  A good musician can make even an el cheapo keyboard sound good.  You get five smiles from me!


 :)    :)    :)    :)    :)

Cheers,
Joe H
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Linson on April 22, 2018, 02:15:56 AM
Hi Pino.. Fanstastic Play and sound.. Curious  which is that 10 year old PSR that makes such a nice sound? Please share more.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 22, 2018, 12:29:39 PM
Hi Linson

It was the S910, could be played on the 910, 950, or 970, you wouldn’t notice much of a difference, styles are just a group of small midi files put in order so that the keyboard understands when to play them, in this case the midi part would be called a style part or a style variation,
 I have some  Genos styles playing on my S910 without any problems, you just have to tune the style, eg, save new ‘on board’ instruments to the rhy1-rhy2-bass-chord-pad-ph1-ph2.   
Takes a little time till you get used to the work flow.

Sometimes people will buy a new keyboard without understanding the one they already got.

The S970 is better with guitars and modern music and the S910 is better with Big Band, orchestra and ballads, has a sweeter sound, IMHO

Here is a Big Band medley, nothing special, just a ‘one take’ using OTS as I would play on a gig, not that I play much Big Band.

https://app.box.com/s/fxftc5xfx5srhmt7m6v38ndk6ar53weg

Pino



Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 22, 2018, 12:41:52 PM
Thank you Joe for your king words

I promise not to mention a 6 and 1 in any posts on this forum for evermore.

Best wishes

Pino
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pianoman on April 22, 2018, 08:06:04 PM
Pino.

You demonstrate..."It's not what you got, but how you use it"

Very nice playing.  A good musician can make even an el cheapo keyboard sound good.  You get five smiles from me!


 :)    :)    :)    :)    :)

Cheers,
Joe H

Hello Pino.

I will echo what Joe H has said here.

Very nice playing on both songs.

Best Regards.
Abby.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Bachus on April 22, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
The 61 key rumor comes from an April fools joke from a German dealer...

Misleading and not even funny, i must say, it also cought me on the wrong leg...

Makes me wonder how many people never bought the Genos because there is no 61 key version? Indon’t think anyone that really wants/needs a Genos was kept away from it by the extra 15 keys...
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 23, 2018, 07:33:08 PM
Hi Linson


..... I have some  Genos styles playing on my S910 without any problems, you just have to tune the style, eg, save new ‘on board’ instruments to the rhy1-rhy2-bass-chord-pad-ph1-ph2.   
Takes a little time till you get used to the work flow........

Here is a Big Band medley, nothing special,  just a ‘one take’ using OTS as I would play on a gig, not that I play much Big Band.

https://app.box.com/s/fxftc5xfx5srhmt7m6v38ndk6ar53weg

Pino

Thanks Pino, I enjoyed your BB medley, nothing special was an understatement. What one likes and what not is of course very dependent on what was played when you were under 30. So no heavy metal for me :)  Bu I believe what separates good from less good  is timing and phrasing.   The idea of using a program to put the timing 100 %  on spot is what destroys most any genre and some  people do that on their midi files whereas the real professionals that work for YAMAHA Soft do not commit that error. Some arrangers and some performers  were masters in this respect, Nat King Cole and Nelson Riddle immediately come to mind.

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 23, 2018, 07:54:51 PM
Thank you kaarlo and Abby

I haven’t played any midi files for many years

I call playing an arranger keyboard in public ‘stand up and fight’
Yes, fighting with the keyboard, styles, timing, chords notes,
In a 3 hour gig I will probably do about 10 minor mistakes

Now I have come to accept his,
it’s not the mistakes that count but how quickly you can recover from a mistake.
Practice makes masters

Regards

Pino
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Linson on April 24, 2018, 12:30:07 AM


it’s not the mistakes that count but how quickly you can recover from a mistake.
Practice makes masters
--------------------------------------------
Well said, Pino

What is your thoughts on new PSR s975? Any chance to look into it more? Do you think it's worth waiting for Genos 61 key version or Go with s975? I have a 950 now

Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 24, 2018, 12:42:13 AM
There won't be a 61 note Genos but probably an S Series will come along in about a year or so.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: arvacon on April 24, 2018, 01:06:33 AM
The wiser choice for now it would be to go for the s970, as its price has drop alot right now and also there are tiny differences with the s975. In case you don't care about the prices, then go for the genos.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pianoman on April 24, 2018, 05:46:43 AM
Thank you kaarlo and Abby

I call playing an arranger keyboard in public ‘stand up and fight’
Yes, fighting with the keyboard, styles, timing, chords notes,
In a 3 hour gig I will probably do about 10 minor mistakes

Now I have come to accept his,
it’s not the mistakes that count but how quickly you can recover from a mistake.
Practice makes masters

Regards

Pino

Well said. I know how it feels.

Best Regards.
Abby.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: DonM on April 24, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
What Yamaha ought to do is ADD one more button and put over by my LEFT hand.

That button would flip you over to the RIGHT 2 (only when selected) and silence RIGHT 1. Then if you taped it again it should go back to RIGHT 1, that would be slick. ;)

There are a lot of times I would like to switch off while playing my lead as a guitar and flip it over to the Pedal Steel Guitar. I do it sometime by having the OTS set up but it is to tricky to get it right some times. Heck, I can't remember which OTS is the Pedal Steel  with all that is going on when performing.  ;D

Regards
Drake
Drake, Ketron has had that function a long time.  On Roland you can do it with the Volume pedal.  For example all the way down is one sound, all the way up is the second sound, in the middle they are mixed.  I had a G800 YEARS ago that did that.
I think Ketron even has the ability to bring in the second sound by touch sensitivity, but I don't remember for sure.
Korg has programmable buttons that will do it.
Yamaha could easily do this!
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Lee Batchelor on April 24, 2018, 11:03:56 AM
Is it my imagination, or has this discussion gone way off topic :)?
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: DonM on April 24, 2018, 12:46:41 PM
Pretty much ot for the last couple of pages!  :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 24, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
There won't be a 61 note Genos but probably an S Series will come along in about a year or so.

Hi Eileen,
 Yamaha made a Tyros 61, so why not a Genos 61 as well?

Sunny
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: EileenL on April 24, 2018, 08:29:17 PM
The Genos has been a great success as a 76 note keyboard and still lighter in weight than Tyros 5 and not much bigger than Tyros 5. I think they will concentrate on producing 61 note S Series. 
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 25, 2018, 06:37:51 AM
Well said. I know how it feels.

Best Regards.
Abby.

Definitely off topic, but let me just say how i envy anyone who makes so few mistakes.

BTW Oscar Peterson visited my university in the 1950ies  and we bloody amateurs had a chance to talk to our idol after his concert. He said: "Whenever you make a mistake, repeat it several times and people will think it was an intentional improvisation." I said, "Sir, I have a lot of your records, have not noticed one mistake."  The great master smiled, "Which proves my advice was correct".

Cheers

Kaarlo
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Pino on April 25, 2018, 01:41:20 PM
Mistakes are distractions

Sometimes when I’m playing in the restaurant in the evening, when a beautiful blonde walks across the dance floor carrying them big jugs of drinks in front of her,
That’s one real distraction  :)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: sunny on April 26, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
The Genos has been a great success as a 76 note keyboard and still lighter in weight than Tyros 5 and not much bigger than Tyros 5. I think they will concentrate on producing 61 note S Series.

If Genos 61 is produced, it will be still lighter than Genos 76 and same size of Tyros61.
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on April 26, 2018, 08:21:47 PM
Most likely the Genos II - 76 is allready under work at the drawing and developement board, and new features and possabilities will be added.  8)
Those who want a 61 key arranger will probably have to look at the new PSR series that will be some sort of Genos little brothers.......   ;)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Kaarlo von Freymann on April 26, 2018, 09:08:29 PM
Mistakes are distractions. Sometimes when I’m playing in the restaurant in the evening, when a beautiful blonde walks across the dance floor carrying them big jugs of drinks in front of her,
That’s one real distraction  :)

Agreed Pino and she need not even be blond, and even jug size is not important  ;D Beauty like keyboards comes in many sizes.

Cheers

Kaarlo  (I believe I am not off topic as this thread is about SIZE)
Title: Re: Sooner than later - Genos 61-
Post by: Gunnar Jonny on April 26, 2018, 10:18:01 PM
...  (I believe I am not off topic as this thread is about SIZE)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  8)