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Genos (12 Boards) => Genos - General => Topic started by: Pianoman on March 24, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
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A friend of mine, who also owns a Montage, invited me yesterday to play his Genos,
that he just imported from Germany.
My first focus was on styles that are not included on my T3.
There were many.
I counted at least 32 before I had to leave.
The styles that are also on my T3 appeared reworked and slightly
improved.
I then proceeded to the voices, which obviously were an improvement
on the voices of my T3, but not by too much.
My impression is that they were good, but could have done with a little less
Reverb and other effects.
The screen was impressive both in size and clarity, but I could already
foresee a future problem for me, since it cannot be tilted.
In some of the places I play, the stage or ceiling lights are very bright,
and the ability to tilt the screen to remove glare is a lifesaver, especially
when playing outdoors in midsummer afternoons.
I admit that 2 hours were probably too short, but that's all the time me and my friend
had available yesterday.
I may go back to test it for a longer period next week when I have more
time, and if my friend will be available.
I always look at the practical uses of any instrument I might consider buying,
My instrument is a Workhorse, no more, no less.
I have no emotional bond with any of my instruments.
I reserve that privilege for family, friends, and other living things.
Regarding instruments, it all comes down to numbers and how one uses them.
Is my instrument still delivering the goods?
Will buying another instrument increase my earnings? Or will they stay the same?
Or will they increase anyway, regardless whether I purchase said instrument or not?
The short time spent with the Genos was pleasant, but did not leave me
convinced that a Genos will answer these questions.
Is the Genos good? Yes it's ok.
Am I impressed? Yes, a little bit.
Should I go buy one? I'm not sure.
Maybe another, longer test will provide a different point of view, but for now,
I'm keeping my money.
Best Regards.
Pianoman.
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Pianoman, That was a very honest and candid review. With the way you play and sing I think you’d do justice with just about any arranger. You’re thinking shows you’re keeping the intellect over the emotion. I hope you get another opportunity to play the Genos.
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Hello Stephen.
Thanks, and good to hear from you. How is it going with the gigs?
Best Regards.
Abby.
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If you want your new keyboard to have the styles of your old keyboard, you’ll always be disappointed.
An easy workaround is to simply copy the old keyboard's styles for use on the new. That’s what I did when I moved from my T4 to a Genos.
Fred
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Is the Genos good? Yes it's ok.
Am I impressed? Yes, a little bit.
Should I go buy one? I'm not sure.
Maybe another, longer test will provide a different point of view, but for now,
I'm keeping my money.
When read your 'review' I got a feeling that if you should swap your T3, you would most likely be superhappy with T5 ... ;) ;D
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Glad you had the opportunity to test the Genos and I'm sure you will find more things that you will like with another test. I was very impressed with the drums and the live sounds it provided, which I gleaned from just hearing demos on you tube. I'm sure it would sound even better in your hands.
Gary 8)
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If you want your new keyboard to have the styles of your old keyboard, you’ll always be disappointed.
An easy workaround is to simply copy the old keyboard's styles for use on the new. That’s what I did when I moved from my T4 to a Genos.
Fred
I think you didn't read my post properly, or read it too hastily.
I was interested in styles that my keyboard does NOT have.
Best Regards.
Pianoman.
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Glad you had the opportunity to test the Genos and I'm sure you will find more things that you will like with another test. I was very impressed with the drums and the live sounds it provided, which I gleaned from just hearing demos on you tube. I'm sure it would sound even better in your hands.
Gary 8)
Hello Gary.
I hope you're keeping well.
I gave the keyboard a quick work over, but I had to go set up my gear
in a nearby hotel, so I left after a little less than 2 hours.
I've mentioned this friend before.
He's a hobby musician, with a ton of money and plenty of toys.
He usually gets bored with his musical purchases after a while.
Hopefully he'll tire of the Genos soon, then we can make a deal.
I've started gigging now.
It's a trickle that wil soon turn into a flood in another month or so.
I've also been insurance shopping.
Most venues require musicians to have a civil liability insurance now.
I'll try to give it another test in a week or so.
This was an unplanned test.
I'll go prepared, and give it a good thrashing.
I'm usually left to my own devices there, while the guy is busy inventing
ways to get richer.
Loved the videos you sent.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Two hours to test the Genos is certainly not really a test for the Genos. The menu on the Genos would take that long if you looked at all the features. Hope you go back and
have time to really test the Genos. You will find that the more you play the more you will begin to hear the superior sounds and styles. Lloyd
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Hello Stephen.
Thanks, and good to hear from you. How is it going with the gigs?
Best Regards.
Abby.
Abby, Good to see you posting here. Below is a reply I wrote in another thread when Guitpic said he was lovin' his Genos:
NO, I don't like mine at all I think I'm going to sell it.............on April Fools Day.
Of course I say that in jest, I'm lovin my Genos too. I had it out for another gig this week not only is the sound great but as a live performers arranger it's proving at least in my eyes to be the best of Yamaha arrangers. I've said this many times the playlist feature is the "goose that laid the golden egg." I choose a playlist usually about 35 to 40 songs for my 1 hour gigs with that limited number I don't have to scroll too far in the list to pick a tune to play during the hour. What's great is I pick the tune load it and have the Genos pull up the corresponding lead sheet on the iPad or if I happen to use a midi file, I set the Genos screen to pull up lyrics. As much as I love the Pa4x for live playing Yamaha has stepped up to the plate and has given we senior venue players some great tools.
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Two hours to test the Genos is certainly not really a test for the Genos. The menu on the Genos would take that long if you looked at all the features. Hope you go back and
have time to really test the Genos. You will find that the more you play the more you will begin to hear the superior sounds and styles. Lloyd
Hello Lloyd.
What you say is true, that 2 hours were not enough.
I'll try and make some more time next week.
On another note.
In June 2010, I wandered into a music store for cables, and they had a Tyros 3,
a keyboard I had never heard of until that moment.
I tested the Tyros for a Full 20 MINUTES, walked over to the dealer, and
bought it on the spot.
This was a demo keyboard that must have been in the shop for God
knows how long.
I didn't care, I bought it on the spot.
The dealer was so astonished, he even threw in the speakers for free.
It has been reliable and trustworthy for all these years.
Not once did it freeze up and embarrass me in front of a crowd.
This is the keyboard that I'm still using, that has helped me keep my family
cared for and well fed for the last 10 years.
I seek different things in a keyboard than most other users here.
While many will be content to have this thing sit in their living room for months
or years, mine will be on the road 28 days per month.
I look at practicality, reliability, ease of setting up and manipulation first.
Followed by whether it would involve extra costs, such as a new stand, case,
pedals, cables (some keyboards have outputs on a different side) etc.
The fact that the screen cannot be tilted is already a small negative for me.
I play both a Stage Piano and an Arranger, sitting down.
Thus I cannot shift position as easily as someone who plays standing up,
when being blinded by stage lights.
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Though great voices may be useful, I am not as enamored by these things as
some others appear to be.
As i have said in my original post above, I have no emotional attachment
to keyboards.
They are tools, serving a different purpose according to each user.
Most keyboards have reasonably good sounding voices anyway, even my T3.
The styles would be more important for me than the voices.
As much as we may love the voices, we must be honest with ourselves,
and admit that the biggest reason that we buy arrangers is for the styles.
That is why they are called Arrangers, for the styles and arrangements.
I have neither opened, nor shut the door on this keyboard.
My friend called to say he has one, and I went to see what the
Hullabaloo was all about.
I couldn't stay long, because work called, but I'll try to dedicate at least half a day
on my next test.
Time and my friend permitting.
Best Regards.
Pianoman.
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Hi Abby,
One thing I noticed with myself and others is that we get used to a certain sound and use that as a measure for others.
When you turn on the Genos you hear a familiar Yamaha sound and the brain says it's the same.
Many members here stated that only after a week or two with the instrument in their hands they could hear the difference which was quite a step up.
I am curious to what sound system you listened to?
To Me the T3 compared to the Genos is like listening to an MP3 vs HD sound.
Yes it sounds the same. But it doesn't. Does that make sense?
Quite a few people here and on other forums stated that their audiences could hear a difference in sound.
I had the T3 and it is certainly a fantastic board. I always make every KB my own by EQing it etc.
However, like you I like to play high energy dance music.
For that you need good drums, good bass and a good groove.
Now I am not saying that the T3 does not have that.
But for me the Genos for the first time sounds like a real live band.
Besides playing I also like to go out and listen to bands play.
The Genos for the first time gives me that feel.
The Revo drums alone kick *** ... ;)
As you said: maybe your friend will get tiered of it . Win, win...
To me the Genos is very inspiring. Once you get used to those amazing SA2 voices you can't go back.
They are so intuitive and realistic ...
Everything sounds so vibrant and alive compared to older models.
The live controls, 76 keys, etc, etc.
There is so much improvement, but it takes time to figure it all out and appreciate it.
Either way I know you'll do the right thing that will suit your needs.
Just my observations.
Kind Regards
Eric
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Why should you shoot a winning horse like your T3 ?
Your customers will not offer you a better price for playing a newer keyboard model, I guess.
They are only interested in hearing good music, dancing and having fun.
IMHO, Babette
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Abby, one of the things that really helped me while performing was a special stool that I purchased locally. While it was designed for guitar players, it worked perfectly for playing the keyboard, even when I was performing with two, stacked keyboards. Everything is adjustable, seat height, backrest, footrest, which allowed my to be positioned higher than I would have been with a normal chair or piano stool, thereby providing me better eye contact with the audience. Additionally, it also provided me with a better view of the keyboard screen and pretty much eliminated any glare from overhead lighting.
(http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/files/D-749_m.jpg)
Not sure if they have this in your part of the world, and if it were not cost prohibitive to ship it to you, I would gladly send you mine as I no longer have a need for it. It is a Quicklok D-749. Sells for about $150 US here.
All the best,
Gary 8)
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Hello Eric.
I listened to the Genos through a good pair of Sennheiser Headphones.
I am not comparing the Genos to my T3.
They are two entirely different keyboards, yet some things remained
strangely familiar.
I think that everyone will interpret my comments the way it suits them.
Like interpreting THE BOOK, a speech or a sermon.
One Gentleman thought that I want the Genos to have the styles of the T3.
I was looking for styles that are NOT in the T3.
New styles give birth to new ideas, inspiration for different songs,
which in turn foster creativity.
I think I counted up to 32 before I had to leave to set up my gear in a nearby venue.
I am sure that there are many more.
I have tested this keyboard through very good headphones, and have
noted a bit of improvement over the T3 sounds.
The reworked styles that I'm familiar with from the T3 also sounded
slightly improved.
As for audiences, I work with audiences everyday, they will answer appropriately
when you ask them a leading question, or make a leading comment.
With the background racket in venues, waiters serving, people dancing,
laughter, conversation, screaming, glasses tinkling, doors opening and closing,
people coming and going, and all other kinds of distractions,
Audiences will notice nothing, no matter what people may want to believe.
I recommend a book called "The Emperor's New Clothes" where everybody
applauded the Emperor's new clothes, when in fact he was wearing nothing,
they were too scared to tell him.
There's no doubt that the Genos is a good Arranger, but it's important to
keep things real,and not go overboard with the praise.
Let's save a bit for the next keyboard..
I have read a comment, which I believe to be true, that technology has reached
such high levels in recent years , that it is almost impossible to make a huge
technological leap anymore.
Instead, you have incremental improvements, and that's what we're looking at here.
All PSRs, Tyroses, and other keyboards manufactured over the last 9 years or so, have
a highly sophisticated sound, that is more than sufficient for most listeners.
Every successor will bring improvements, not dramatic, but improvements nevertheless.
Like I said in my original post, my focus is more on practicality and reliability than
the shiny bells and whistles that may attract others.
A careful read of it will make things a bit more clear.
I will ask my friend if he can let me try his Genos for at least half a day next week.
And I'll have to make time for it myself as well.
And yes, I also hope that my friend will tire of his Genos soon.
He sold a 50,000 € BMW X5 for 9000€ in 2016.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Abby, one of the things that really helped me while performing was a special stool that I purchased locally. While it was designed for guitar players, it worked perfectly for playing the keyboard, even when I was performing with two, stacked keyboards. Everything is adjustable, seat height, backrest, footrest, which allowed my to be positioned higher than I would have been with a normal chair or piano stool, thereby providing me better eye contact with the audience. Additionally, it also provided me with a better view of the keyboard screen and pretty much eliminated any glare from overhead lighting.
(http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/files/D-749_m.jpg)
Not sure if they have this in your part of the world, and if it were not cost prohibitive to ship it to you, I would gladly send you mine as I no longer have a need for it. It is a Quicklok D-749. Sells for about $150 US here.
All the best,
Gary 8)
Looks very interesting Gary.
I'll check with Thomann, I'm almost certainly that they will have it.
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A great suggestion.
Thanks
Best Regards.
Abby.
PS: This is the closest to your stool that I could find. In the 150€ range.
https://m.thomann.de/gb/mey_chair_systems_afsrklah_bk.htm?o=71&search=1521928266
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................ "I have no emotional bond with any of my instruments."
Really? I've always considered any instrument I have played as an extension of myself. There is some kind of emotional attachment when I get all teary eyed when I play or listen to someone else play. Sometimes the most beautiful music flows from me and my instrument. Last week I heard someone playing an old bass accordion. The way the lower registers harmonics pumped out chords gave me goose bumps. Things were "just the right amount" out of tune for a hauntingingly beautiful performance. The look on this musicians face was pure emotion and it radiated outward from his performance. If that ain't emotion I will eat my hat!! Best wishes! Glad you got to try a Genos. -charley
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Hi Abby,
I do respect your view of course ;)
I also belief I read your post carefully. ;)
That's why I said at the end that it was just my observation that I wanted to share.
Isn't that why we are on this forum?
To share our opinions? Which of course differ from one another.
That doesn't mean that we don't understand were you are coming from.
I agree with you that each new KB had in some way small changes.
That's why I usually skip a generation or two.
I did not go for the T5 for that reason.
However if your theory is true that each KB has incremental changes which are small then going from T3 to Genos should be a little bigger then just small as they are 3 generations up.
I find for myself that even a good pair of headphones can never give me the same sound impression as a good PA.
For that reason I do hope that your friend lets you try the KB through your PA.
I also agree with you that in a noisy place things get drowned.
It would be interesting to see whether the Genos with it's Revo drums and better base cuts through the noise better.
I am sure you'll keep us posted. ;)
You said that the KB is just a tool for you. Would an improved sound and newer better styles give you more joy playing or wouldn't it matter that much to you?
Just trying to see were you are coming from. ;)
Somehow I sort of have the feeling that you already have made up your mind.
It kind of shows in some of your previous posts which weren't in favor of the Genos.
As long as you are happy with what you have there is no reason to change.
And your joy comes certainly through every YouTube video. :)
Either way, good luck whatever you decide.
You are doing what you love to do: entertain.
That's what it's all about.
Kind Regards
Eric
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C'mon Charley.
The instrument may be an extension of you or me when we play it.
I totally agree with that.
I still have no emotional attachment to an instrument. It is two different things.
You know exactly what I'm trying to say.
Some people talk about their Genos like it's a new girlfriend or a family member.
One even claimed that it's a gift from God.
That's not normal man. In fact it's outright weird.
I have an emotional attachment to my parents, family and friends.
Not a keyboard.
I have been a professional musician since the age of 16.
It's what I do, I know nothing else, and have done nothing else.
Most evenings when many people here may be peacefully resting at home,
I'll probably be somewhere entertaining people, with vigour and passion.
My passion for what I do is second to none, and has allowed me to travel across half
the world.
I have lived and worked in many European capitals and places like Dubai.
As a result of having lived and worked in many European capitals,
I am absolutely fluent in 6 European languages.
My passion shows in my playing, and that has carried me to most corners of the world
for all these years.
And I will still say that I have no emotional attachment to an instrument.
It is a tool that I use to earn a living.
And while doing that, I thoroughly enjoy myself.
I do not whisper endearments to it, or celebrate it's birthday though.
Best Regards.
Pianoman.
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Perhaps folks are over thinking Genos.
Genos is a keyboard. Works great for some(like me), works o.k. for others, some are not sure and others, for whatever reason want something else.
Make it simple.
If it works great for you, and you can afford it, buy it.
If it’s only o.k, or you aren’t sure...don’t buy it or wait till you have enough time on it to decide.
If you don’t like it...don’t buy it.
Just a thought. :)
By the way, I’m one who thinks Music is a gift and an instrument is a way to both enjoy and share that gift.
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Hello again Eric.
I hear you and respect your opinion and your wisdom too.
I have already noticed from a while back that you are a very well informed man.
My respect.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Hello again Eric.
I hear you and respect your opinion and your wisdom too.
I have already noticed from a while back that you are a very well informed man.
My respect.
Best Regards.
Abby.
Hi Abby,
Thank you for your kind words.
I feel the same about you.
And respect you as well.
Anybody who lived in more than one country has a different world view.
You have experienced a lot of different things.
So far I count two under my belt ...
But who knows there is hope ... ;)
All the best
Eric
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Hello Guitpic.
Thanks for your reply.
I gave a brief assessment of the Genos based on an unplanned occasion to try
it out at a friend's house, with his assistance on the board's workings.
I have stressed several times that 2 hours was not enough to give a full assessment
of this keyboard, and will try, time permitting, to have it for at least half a day,
if not for a full day.
It depends too on the owner of the keyboard, whether he will have the time.
My friend's house is also a more relaxed place for testing than at the music store,
which still doesn't have a Genos anyway.
I did say that I'm not sure about the Genos at this point, and that further testing is
needed.
I did not say anywhere in this thread however, that I like or dislike the instrument.
I did talk about emotional attachment to an instrument, a different thing which
quickly became misunderstood.
It is very difficult for me to become emotionally attached to, or idolize an instrument.
Sometimes we need to put things and our values in perspective.
I can idolize my mother, who brought me into this world in a very dangerous time
and place.
That was a worthy act of courage and sacrifice.
Then there are other family members, friends, etc, that I'm emotionally attached to.
Not a musical instrument.
We should stop getting worked up every time a not so glowing assessment of our
instrument appears.
Obviously, this does not refer to any particular person, I'm only speaking in general terms,
about a general trend.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Abby, Good to see you posting here. Below is a reply I wrote in another thread when Guitpic said he was lovin' his Genos:
NO, I don't like mine at all I think I'm going to sell it.............on April Fools Day.
Of course I say that in jest, I'm lovin my Genos too. I had it out for another gig this week not only is the sound great but as a live performers arranger it's proving at least in my eyes to be the best of Yamaha arrangers. I've said this many times the playlist feature is the "goose that laid the golden egg." I choose a playlist usually about 35 to 40 songs for my 1 hour gigs with that limited number I don't have to scroll too far in the list to pick a tune to play during the hour. What's great is I pick the tune load it and have the Genos pull up the corresponding lead sheet on the iPad or if I happen to use a midi file, I set the Genos screen to pull up lyrics. As much as I love the Pa4x for live playing Yamaha has stepped up to the plate and has given we senior venue players some great tools.
Hello again Stephen.
I had to scroll up again to find your reply.
It seems like you are having quite a good time with your Genos
That makes me happy for you.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Hello Guitpic.
Thanks for your reply.
I gave a brief assessment of the Genos based on an unplanned occasion to try
it out at a friend's house, with his assistance on the board's workings.
I have stressed several times that 2 hours was not enough to give a full assessment
of this keyboard, and will try, time permitting, to have it for at least half a day,
if not for a full day.
It depends too on the owner of the keyboard, whether he will have the time.
My friend's house is also a more relaxed place for testing than at the music store,
which still doesn't have a Genos anyway.
I did say that I'm not sure about the Genos at this point, and that further testing is
needed.
I did not say anywhere in this thread however, that I like or dislike the instrument.
I did talk about emotional attachment to an instrument, a different thing which
quickly became misunderstood.
It is very difficult for me to become emotionally attached to, or idolize an instrument.
Sometimes we need to put things and our values in perspective.
I can idolize my mother, who brought me into this world in a very dangerous time
and place.
That was a worthy act of courage and sacrifice.
Then there are other family members, friends, etc, that I'm emotionally attached to.
Not a musical instrument.
We should stop getting worked up every time a not so glowing assessment of our
instrument appears.
Obviously, this does not refer to any particular person, I'm only speaking in general terms,
about a general trend.
Best Regards.
Abby.
Well said Abby,
I think we forget all to often where people come from, their back ground and what they have been through.
It puts different value on things.
I almost lost my home twice in the recent California wild fire and was evacuated for two weeks.
For a moment we didn't even know if we made it out alive ..
Then we had terrible mud slights after the first storm and lost a lot of friends and family.
It puts things in perspective as what is important in life.
As much as I enjoy my Genos I am with you on Family and Friends.
Thank you
Eric
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Oh man, Eric
I saw those wildfires on television here, and the mud slides too.
That was terrible. It would have been bad enough to lose your home,
but the loss of family and friends is absolutely terrible and tragic.
I'm glad that you made it alive.
Thank you for seeing eye to eye with me on the point I was trying to make.
It IS very important to put things in perspective, and adjust our values accordingly.
Sometimes we forget about the things that really matter, because of our constant
pursuit of shiny objects.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Thank you Abby.
Again, well said.
Eric
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I owned a Tyros 3 for several years and I enjoyed it a lot. It had a few Super Articulation 2 voices and it was probably the best sounding arranger when it was released in 2008. Times change and technology advances so I decided to get the Genos based on the sounds and the features it has. As a performing musician the Genos will pay for itself over time. The question is whether you want the latest greatest that Yamaha has to offer? And will the investment meet the needs you have from a musical standpoint. If the answer is no then the Tyros 3 will suffice since that is what you are familiar with. On the other hand if the answer is yes then the Genos is more than capable of fulfilling your musical needs but it would take time to familiarize yourself with this new keyboard. The Genos has a better DAC (digital to analog converter) and if you sing that is important especially if you combine it with a decent microphone. And don't forget there is phantom power on-board the Genos so there is no need for an external phantom power device to lug around if you use a condenser microphone. Loading and transferring files is quicker on the Genos too. For example loading audio files is much quicker. Also the Playlist feature is more sophisticated than the Tyros 3 Music Finder. In fact if you want to you can also import the Tyros 3/4/5 Music Finder into the Genos. The Genos has many more stellar voices to choose from so if you want greater authenticity of instrument sounds the Genos has your bases covered in that regard.
It all boils down to what your needs are and what your budget is. If money is no object and it meets your needs, from a musical standpoint, then I would highly recommend the upgrade. On the other hand, if you are happy with the Tyros 3 and there is no pressing need to upgrade then by all means keep the Tyros 3 and maybe wait until Genos 2 or Korg PA5x comes out and decide accordingly if one of those will be worth your time and money.
Best regards,
Mike
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I have owned all the Tyros models except the T1 and now play the Genos. I use it at home but also on gigs where the audience is quiet and attentive. This makes a huge difference. I am constantly blown away at the difference between the Genos sounds and my previous Tyros models. Every time I fire up the Genos, I discover sounds that really impress. Playing in a club or other noisy environment - it doesn't really matter if you have a Genos or one of the Tyros models. Nobody is listening all that critically. But in a super quiet place with a great audience, the Genos shines through wonderfully. I really am glad I moved up from the T5. Just sayin'
Graeme
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Hello Abby. Take your time deciding. You and your T3 are a tried and trusted team.You are a wonderful musician, and I believe you can get the best out of any instrument! As for getting attached to instruments, I am in that cathegory :) I have purchased a soft cover for my S970 so as not to get so much dust on it while not playing. So, in a way, I tuck it in, but I don't sing a lullaby to it :) LOL!
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Hello again Stephen.
I had to scroll up again to find your reply.
It seems like you are having quite a good time with your Genos
That makes me happy for you.
Best Regards.
Abby.
Thank you sir!
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Howdy...... I own a Tyros 5..... and for some reason.... my board doesn’t sound anything like the T-5 board that Peter Bartmann plays in all those YouTube videos. I don’t understand it! You don’t think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya? I’m sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me😎😎😎😎😎
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You don’t think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya? I’m sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me....
It's all about the player. A great player will make even a 'toy arranger' shine.
No keyboard or instrument has ever made me sound any better than my skills allow me to play. It's as simple as that.
That said, Peter and others who demostrate are highly skilled musicians as well as trained for the job they do. ;)
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hi I was on Genos from 10am till 4PM on Saturday afternoon and had a fantastic time and also found everything on it as well now I cant wait to get mine on the 7th of April ive had every Yamaha arranger from tyros 1 right to tyros 5 and also found a fast amount of changes in every keyboard the sound of Genos is very much a live in every way from the styles all the way through we set up Yamaha msp5 speakers and also used the Genos speakers and all I can say is what a sound and is realy full on :) I Hope you get it Abby also for gigging speakers I use an Allen & Heath mixing desk and also QSC 10 Speakers ive loved evry Tyros ive had :)
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Howdy...... I own a Tyros 5..... and for some reason.... my board doesn’t sound anything like the T-5 board that Peter Bartmann plays in all those YouTube videos. I don’t understand it! You don’t think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya? I’m sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me😎😎😎😎😎
Hello Mgbchuck.
I can also take the Tyros 1 and thrash it as good as, if not better than Mr. Baartmans.
And so can many other people here.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Howdy...... I own a Tyros 5..... and for some reason.... my board doesn’t sound anything like the T-5 board that Peter Bartmann plays in all those YouTube videos. I don’t understand it! You don’t think that it could possibly be the person sitting behind the keyboard....do ya? I’m sure that Peter could play the Tyros 1 and still smoke me😎😎😎😎😎
I think another thing is EQ.
Whenever I get a new KB I use some Compression, EQ and DSP to make it come alive.
Most KB out of the box sound a little dull and lifeless compared.
I know that most demonstrators use EQ and DSP to get the best sound so the KB shines.
They used to have workshops in Germany were Michel Voncken and Peter Baartmans would share setting up the KB for Sound, VH etc.
You can find some of those on YouTube.
Of course in German ;)
Eric
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I agree with Eric.
Except that their playing is really good but how about going to a studio to make a new record and ask the studio the same mixer/equalizer settings for all of your tracks?
No!
I guess the studio will mix/equalize every single part of each track individually to sound good.
When it comes to sound maybe is better to trust the maths behind the sound waves and not just our ears.
Here is an S975 that sounds like an S975
I don't think any mixing was done here.
I believe the demonstrator uses just the original home settings of the keyboard and not edited the voices or the mixing console at all.
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42381.msg346369.html#msg346369
(https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,42381.msg346369.html#msg346369)
Hi Joe, a demoof the new S975 in French but intersting, all the best Patrick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Z4AiLJzKM
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I think another thing is EQ.
Whenever I get a new KB I use some Compression, EQ and DSP to make it come alive.
Most KB out of the box sound a little dull and lifeless compared.
Eric
You're quite right Eric.
The dealer here finally has a Genos. Actually the dealer himself is on vacation,
and there was a temporary substitute who wasn't very keen on working.
I popped in by chance this morning, where he informed me he was about to close,
even though there was still an hour to go.
He told me to go back this afternoon, which I did.
After watching me like a hawk for 90 minutes, he informed me that he was going to
close, again.
He became friendlier after I informed him that I have bought 90 percent of my gear in that
store. Worth at least 9000€.
I also showed him videos, as proof that I'm a Bona Fide musician.
The Genos did sound dull and lifeless, and the much vaunted Revo drums failed to
impress me so far. The dull Splat, Splat made me cringe.
A lot of styles, like the style for Superstition, may require drum revoicing.
I know that this, like any other keyboard, requires a lot of EQ tweaking, compression
tweaking, and individual voice EQ and voice levels, before one can get a decent
sound out of these things.
The only Arranger that sounded good straight out of the box, was a Roland G-800
many, many years ago.
I took my Sennheiser Headphones with me to the store, because I wanted to use
the same Headphones that I use at home with my T3.
I am not going to pass any more judgement till I have spent at least 12 hours with
the keyboard.
The important thing is that it is now available on this cursed island, and it is just a
matter of a few more tests before I have a clearer picture.
My only other Genos experience before 2 days ago, was from watching YouTube
videos, and listening to the songs that members have uploaded.
A Note To All Who May Read This:
I am trying to give my honest impressions of this keyboard.
Some may deliberately try to misread or misunderstand this post.
Please do not feel offended or personally slighted.
I am giving my impressions of a keyboard, not of a person.
Contrary to what some forum members may believe, I am really trying hard to
like this keyboard.
And it's not about money.
Id rather buy myself a new keyboard than hand my hard earned cash to the
tax man.
I'm allowed me to deduct the keyboard from my taxes.
As I was playing though, I started leaning towards the idea of a T5, which
I'm sure I could tweak even when blindfolded.
I will keep updating as soon as I have done some more testing.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Hi Abby,
I felt the same a little about the T3, that you felt about the G-800 ;)
It had a lot more sizzle OOB than my T2 and T4.
Even after EQing my T4, I could could not get the sizzle of the T3.
I am so happy however that I got it with the Genos again :)
Eric
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I had a G800--it was way ahead of its time. Weighed a TON though. :)
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Hello Don.
Yes it's heavy.
It had a very rich and full sound though, even with 6 tracks.
I still have it in my spare room. I should have sold it 15 years ago.
I'm a bit sentimental I guess.
Best Regards.
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At one time I too owned a G-800, great keyboard that you needed a fork lift to get it in and out of the van.
Abby, try these EQ settings on the Genos, which work well for me on the S-950.
EQ1 = +4
EQ2 = +2
EQ3 = +2
EQ4 = +3
EQ5 = +8
Don't worry with the Freq settings, they will be just fine. I believe this will really make that Genos come alive and you will love what you hear. Those highs should sizzle, and those drums should really rock - at least I hope this will be the case. Keep in mind that I am working blind with this one because I do not own a Genos. However, if I had longer to live, I would have already purchased one.
Good luck,
Gary 8)
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Can't do that Gary. Even the S970 now has more than five bands. You know my position on boosting all frequencies; it's generally considered a no-no. But if it works, go for it!
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Good idea Gary.
The store owner is on vacation till next week.
There's an unfriendly substitute in the store right now.
I want to ask him, when he gets back, to let me keep the Genos at my home for
a weekend.
He used to let me try out equipment before I commit to buy.
I hope that he can do the same this time.
People change, but I hope that it would be possible.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Don, prior to owning the Bose systems, which are flat, I kept the keyboard EQs at flat, which worked just fine because I EQ'd the PA system mixer instead. Since I no longer use a mixer/PA I began changing the EQ of the keyboard and obtained excellent results. I forgot that more bands were added with later models than my S-950, but the basic smiley rule still applies. For me, the difference was quite dramatic. It produced a live sound that the flat setting did not provide.
Abby, good luck my Friend and I sincerely hope this all works for your needs in Ibiza.
All the best,
Gary 8)
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I think another thing is EQ.
Whenever I get a new KB I use some Compression, EQ and DSP to make it come alive.
Most KB out of the box sound a little dull and lifeless compared.
I know that most demonstrators use EQ and DSP to get the best sound so the KB shines.
They used to have workshops in Germany were Michel Voncken and Peter Baartmans would share setting up the KB for Sound, VH etc.
You can find some of those on YouTube.
Of course in German ;)
Eric
here Eric you could Translate these settings it terrible trying to follow You Tube
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Gary,
For your benefit and others too who do not have a Genos, this is what the EQ and compression screens look like. For the most part I've chose the "powerful" setting( the photo shows one called loudness) but have set up an alternative for my use called SM.
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In technolog6 development there is no escaping the law of dimishing returns ie improvements gets more and more marginal as the technology matures. So anyone who expects the Genos to sound miles better than the T5 is going to be disappointed, because the T5 was already very good. Same T4 to T5. But if the sound is measurably better, even a little, styles are also a little bit better, the ease of use a little bit better, the weight a little bit less, the new voices a little bit better - it all adds up to be something worthwhile and more fun to play.
Mike
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In technolog6 development there is no escaping the law of dimishing returns ie improvements gets more and more marginal as the technology matures. So anyone who expects the Genos to sound miles better than the T5 is going to be disappointed, because the T5 was already very good. Same T4 to T5.
Mike
Thank you Mike.
That's what I've been trying to say all along.
The Tyros line was, from the very beginning, revolutionary in terms of styles and
sound.
Let's not forget that we were still lavishing praise on the T5 just a few months ago,
and deservedly so.
I have finally gotten the opportunity to test the Genos in the flesh.
It has been a long wait.
My first impression is that the Genos is evolutionary, not revolutionary, despite what
some may allege.
After all the praises here, I was eager to test the machine, and my impressions
were not that it isn't a good keyboard.
It is without doubt quite impressive, but not the revolution I expected it to be,
after reading all the praise here.
I admit that I have only tested the Genos for a total of 3 and a half hours.
I will try to borrow the keyboard for a whole weekend, so I can make a better
informed analysis of it.
So far, the "wow" factor just wasn't there.
I bought my T3 after playing it for 20 minutes. I played a few styles, tried a few
voices, walked over to the dealer and bought it on the spot.
It had immediately given me a high and a punch in the gut.
I haven't gotten that feeling so far with the Genos.
Best Regards.
Abby.
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Genos for me was a hit as soon as I heard it. I had Tyros 5 for four years and for me a the time was the best but with Genos the sound was so much more alive and the styles were so much better balanced. Using a registration from my Tyros 5 in Genos the sound immediately blew me away. It is a real joy to play.
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The next time you play the Genos please consider using the EQ settings in the link below. These settings in particular will sound good through headphones as well as through big and small speakers.
https://www.soundpacks.co.uk/blogs/news/eq-settings-for-genos
PS: On the EQ page I set the gain on my Genos a little different than the website. Left to right > +6, +3, +2, +1, 0, 0, +3, +5. I found the Gain settings on the website a little too loud i.e. harsh, for my taste. Whatever is preferable to you is the most important thing. Which brand and model of headphones you use is also important. Some headphones produce better sound than others needless to say. The Genos has the ability to produce breathtaking sound. Therefore the better the speaker system (or headphones) you use the better the sound will be in order to reach its fullest potential. Something I'm sure you are well aware of as a gigging musician. 8) Of course EQ settings are also very important in the grand scheme of things.
Mike
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To me there is a revolution to Genos compared to T5 but you cannot see and understand it if you don't play/listen/compose this kind of music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urZoN3ASVi0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urZoN3ASVi0)
If you have spent countless hours trying to find out how to do and compine these effects and arpeggios on a pc program and now for the first time you are able to do them live on a keyboard, that is where the "wow" thing comes out by some of us.
For the other differences between the 2 models I agree with Mike's post and I just have to add that the new keyboard looks more beautiful to me with all those curves and colours. :D
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.........So far, the "wow" factor just wasn't there.
I bought my T3 after playing it for 20 minutes. I played a few styles, tried a few
voices, walked over to the dealer and bought it on the spot.
It had immediately given me a high and a punch in the gut.
I haven't gotten that feeling so far with the Genos...
To repeat myself, and I'm even more sure after read your new comment. ;)
If you ever consider swap T3, I think you'll be more than superhappy to replace it with a T5.
It's not any secret, I have never been any Yammie fan, never liked (in my ears) the cold CD'ish sound. By 'accident', got hands on a 2.nd hand T4 some years ago. Why I bought it? Really don't know, probably a very impulsive act..... :-[
Skipped T5 and was on the way to buy Korg PA4. Genos came, I did not expect it to sound any different than T series, and there was no way I was going to buy one... ???
Listened and looked to all demoes to find, and could hear there was something new and different.. Got a fairly good offer to loose a pretty bunch of $$$$$, and ate the bait. :o 8)
Now I'm happy I did, because in my ears and eyes Genos is the best arranger from Yamaha 'till date. My 'love' for it grows for each day I play.
Genos going to stay, and PA?X-76 will join 'the team' at a later stage.. Not because I'm any well skilled or any good player, not because I really need it, but simply for my own pleasure, excitement, fun and joy. :D
Abby (The Pianoman), I really hope to see you entertain live when we're flying south to the sunny islands again. Hope it's not too far into the future.
If so, I'll give you a sign and say hello. :)
Keep on the good work!
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Thank you Mike.
That's what I've been trying to say all along.
The Tyros line was, from the very beginning, revolutionary in terms of styles and
sound.
Let's not forget that we were still lavishing praise on the T5 just a few months ago,
and deservedly so.
I have finally gotten the opportunity to test the Genos in the flesh.
It has been a long wait.
My first impression is that the Genos is evolutionary, not revolutionary, despite what
some may allege.
After all the praises here, I was eager to test the machine, and my impressions
were not that it isn't a good keyboard.
It is without doubt quite impressive, but not the revolution I expected it to be,
after reading all the praise here.
I admit that I have only tested the Genos for a total of 3 and a half hours.
I will try to borrow the keyboard for a whole weekend, so I can make a better
informed analysis of it.
So far, the "wow" factor just wasn't there.
I bought my T3 after playing it for 20 minutes. I played a few styles, tried a few
voices, walked over to the dealer and bought it on the spot.
It had immediately given me a high and a punch in the gut.
I haven't gotten that feeling so far with the Genos.
Best Regards.
Abby.
Hi Abby
T3 Wow
Genos Good but not Wow
It depends from what keyboard you start from.
My first Tyros was the T3, and it's clear, that I share your opinion. And I also agree with you that Genos is an evolution a little more important than the one from T4 to T5, and the one from T4 to T5.
I think there is a lot of DSP/CPU power that is not totally used yet.
For example, I'm waiting for "SSS", that will be a great evolution for me.
I'm fed up with the fact we have to carefully stop to play notes, and to program our R1,R2,R3 parts to avoid sound glitches during registrations changes.
Soundphase.
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interesting exchange of opinions.
Specially the part about EQ settings.
thanks all
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I have enjoyed your postings and very much agree. Abe is thinking very much along my line of thought, but of course a little bit better this, a little bit better that and so on is a valid argument. But Abe sees a keyboard as a tool (you must see him on U-tube to fully understand that) and like with a hammer a slightly better grip will not make me buy a new one. The fact that I have 2 Genos here since weeks and still have problems seems unbelievable. Please read my post of to -day about the registry. Can't wait for someone to explain what is wrong, we have been trying so hard with the Yamaha importer gentleman.
Cheers
Kaarlo